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d has been celebrated, it's finish in 2nd place. it doubled, it's true out of the vote since the last election. so germany is waters have opted for the change. if government has just break the numbers down for your 1st matches, conservatives came out on top. the thought i'd alternative to germany double the share of the vote, making them the 2nd largest bossy, germany's incumbent. social democrats really suffered the poles. the greens fell. the laugh. bossy fed better than expected. the b a, something to bridge splintered from the left, bought the last year, failed to make the 5 percent special needed to enter parliament and the business. finally, it'd be crossed out of parliament. remember to send us your questions on our youtube page. you can see the all see the screen right there. that's where we pick up your question from. and one of the positives will be

answering your questions today is nina honda, the that lucy wanted to go uh, try to trying to. uh, these are the questions uh once it was subject that you have on the gentleman to let you be trying onto them. is that just nina? i was going to be with us. we're going to be having another desk and we're joining us shortly. but lastly, just ought to be not, you know, you spent the better part of the past 48 hours at the s b d headquarters and now we have the cd. you see a to combine that has emerged, top feed reach, math is set to be the next john that can you tell us a bit about for dish mats. what kind of a guy is he working on the spectrum for defense? he's met, took over the conservatives off to on going back left essentially. and he's nothing unknown figure here in 70. he was a politician in the ninety's and had a rivalry with and go on back a lot of time and she then manage to push them. i always have powerful positions, even left politics and joined businesses and has a very,

you know, time, korea and in companies, he speaks very good english. and then on the maximum was that the home of japanese governments, essentially for 16 years. so for the 6 megs wasn't to be seen anywhere in berlin, but when she, when she dropped out, it was his time to save the conservatives in a way that he wanted to say them in the ninety's already. and he says it's his time . now. he disagrees with lots of policies, especially when it comes to germany's open for the policy tools and migrant. some of those things that might be, that would probably come up to the cost of this oscar new conversation. i did promise you guys that there will be another person to be be speaking to, and it's time to introduce that person. johnny me is daniela shots, so she is an international affairs analyst with the the, to sponsor tifton with the baptist mon foundation. welcome danielle up. i'd like to get your comment 1st on something that feed reach. matt said on german tv. last,

i'd like to play a song, but from something that he said last night, and then i'd like to reaction to it. but for us to sound but to we should opportunity to play with for me, the absolute priority will be to strengthen europe as quickly as possible. so that step by step we can achieve independence from the us. um, i never thought i would have to say something like this on a television program. but after donald trump statements last week, it is clear that the americans, at least and even for this part of the americans, that this administration all parts are largely different to the fate of a funeral fund tv. i'm very curious to see how we're heading towards the nato summit at the end of june. whether we will still be talking about nato and its current form, or whether we will have to establish an independent european defense capability much more quickly. that is my absolute priority and to the independence came up

twice in that sound. but water is free judgments talking about as i believe. first of all, that she has a pretty sober and realistic risk assessment, security on our content. and it has changed with russia's attack on ukraine, the full scale invasion, which started exactly 3 years ago today. and hence, a situation where there's a war and continent under a hybrid welfare of russia in our societies, and really reaching out to many, many you countries on the continent. and at the same time, a united states that questions uh, the security alliance. even though donald trump hasn't said that he wants to pull out of nato, he has us europeans to do more for the security. he has started to organize negotiations with russia, the foreign ministers, the american, and the russian foreign minister have already met to discuss ukraine and europeans

don't have a role to play in these negotiations as far as we can tell from today's perspective . and so pretty much maps, he acknowledges 1st of all, that we have a security issue or no cartoon in which we need to work on. and secondly, says we may need to organize our security more independently. and that's one important thing that he says, and that is step by step, because this is not a decision, but europeans can take the implement overnight. it takes time, it takes investment, and it takes building up capabilities. and so i think he has defined a goal. and he has issued a warning because what he said was, i don't know what kind of nato this will be when the next nature summit takes place in june. so he gives that sense of urgency and basically tells german citizens who works. last night's debate with oil. you know, the leaders of the parties that competed in the federal elections yesterday. he

basically says, we have no time, we need to act. we need to x no, uh no, uh see if it matches that. that there's, that he's by his, his block, the see, do you see us, you, we go into a coordination with the s p d. if it to that, how close are they on the issue of security and your pin defends and coming together to be able to make the required changes quickly? fast, i think like to add something to what i knew. i was saying that i am an of yours kind of go back to youtube because we didn't stream that debate on tv yesterday. so if you're interested in hearing it from the horse's mouth, what was discussed about all of the parties positions on you can do that absolutely . on the w news. and because i found a quite striking that was the best time really that you had the major players from all the political parties actually discussing what is going on in terms of what

actually needs to happen. what family can do specifically now to of finance age for ukraine to come up with a response to donald trump to come up with a response to flood the me put in. and that was very much this feeling a while. okay, so the poles of closed now you tool, okay, now you're presenting that because old policies were very reluctant to address that in specific times during the election campaign, possibly for a reason, because that would have caused strength and also the fringes even faster than what we've seen already, but back to your question that and social democrats have some fundamental decision making to do now. they really have to do some soul searching. i mean, when it comes to gemini signing by, you kind side there was no denying or love. so as was always clear, we're standing by the side will support them for as long as we can. but jim, he was very often, especially in europe, seeing as being too slow delivering only when the others were delivering and at

this was due to the fact that in his own party, the social democrats had the is tire of rainbow of opinions when it comes to how do you bring about peace on this continent? they had people like the parliamentary group lead apartments and nation who is essentially saying no, no, no negotiations for us negotiations. first, they wouldn't discuss what kind of times conditions would be needed for these negotiations, but very much a left wing position. no, no. please be reluctant. when it comes to weapons deliveries and then you have an almost whole cush defense minister board. as the story is, who says we must deliver as much as we can possibly res. defense spending to 3.5 percent or more because russia will be in a position to attack us in a couple of years time. so the s p d now has to decide on their costs. and of course, the reason they're talking about y'all have been, defends is the continuing war in ukraine and we have uh, one of a members of our community who sent in the question to do, i believe, with

a cedric mats, this thoughts regarding ukraine and simple question what is feverish mathis? stones on ukraine, that from use a now model? 77, do you want to take that dinner today? good with mazda is conservatives on our social media. often having one of these elections posted ukraine must win. now you and i, and on your law, and probably everybody who's been following the w as coverage. we all know how much of a debate the exact phrasing always has been with love. so it's always saying we must support ukraine for as long as we can with the bus, you know, when russia misspelt when and then the green sang, ukraine must win. so today for a couple days, matches conservatives to post on social media. ukraine must win. that is definitely assist daniella hop ukrainian and you and you see the message,

how do you interpret that message? does that mean that is more amounts of aid coming your way or for example, the part of the massage as well. first of all, as you opinion, i will be very happy to hear such a clear commitment and not in that wording, but in that direction. foolish match already spoke during the electrical campaign. so for his voters that has been clarity that he stands with ukraine, but he thinks europe needs to do more in defense, but germany needs to do more on defend. so he now took this to a new level as me. and i said by rephrasing policies. because indeed, the previous government, under the leadership of what last charge always said ukraine must not lose. and this is a difference. so what, what is to expect 1st of what was ukrainians, have an understanding that maps needs to 1st shape a coalition. and that can take some time. last night he said he would like to be

ready by eastern, so that would mean 8 weeks. until then of course, some things can be done, but once he is in office, the big question will be on the table. and that is how does the next german budget look? how much will go into defense? how much you paying support will they be? will it be in the federal budget, or will that be an extra budget? we'll see. do you speak for more joined? you funding all these questions at this moment? i'm not here to answer because they will be a matter of negotiation and the coalition. but i do believe that in terms of funding and in terms of also asked delivery, which you mentioned there is likely to be a different approach. but there's one thing back in during which the, in which that will be continuity. and that is, i guess also mr. maps will be cautious with regards to escalation,

so he will coordinate closely with european partners and will always make sure that that is, and i'm just standing of where germany, where europe is good times out for. just matt says that the cd use here is your combined would make a correlation with the s b, d. but if you look at the results of the polls, the s p, the did not come in. the in, in 2nd place is basically b a, b. but came in 2nd place and you see the number of seats about the sd winning 152. but that is a coalition that is not going to happen. and i believe that we have a community member who has sent us a question. uh, based on that, lets just bring up that question on uh, the screens. uh for you that from raymond, head god was asking with the german constitutional code that the f d, as it has done for 13 other extremist parties. its

a good question is very good question. um, but you have to keep in mind as that the constitutional court cannot act by itself . so it cannot decide, i believe this is an unconstitutional policy. so i'm going to bind this policy and that is for reason, of course wisdom, and he's not see past. we tried to set up a system off to the what was where a power wasn't concentrated in any one institution. so it spread out, which means, of course, that the way deadman politics is done. the way our society is organized can sometimes feel slow, but it means that there's always checks and balances. so the constitutional court can act if a democratic institution officially files a charge against the a fee. if they did that, for example, the button just talks of the parliament could do that. or the government could also do that. and the one stop could also go to the quotes and say, look,

we want you to look into whether or not this policy needs to be banned. and in fact, it's not as a rest decal. question, this was something that was to, is it in the car in one of the stock that is the outgoing when the stock and, and some members of parliament from the conservatives. but also it was a, it was a across policy movement. they try to get enough votes together to make that move because you need to certain amounts of folks and they didn't get through. and, and the, the pro and contra was, you know, we need to interfere because this is a policy that, that is in pots under observation by japanese intelligence agencies. wait, where they say that they have legitimate concern that they're working against the constitution. so if they get too powerful, well then, but the other people was saying, okay, if we try and find them and then we can't provide enough evidence, then we make them even stronger because then that will say, okay,

low can you try to find out as you have no arguments, we need to fight them on the content, but that's having being said, they are strong on the, i mean they've had the best results. and the double that is all sampled share from the compared to the previous induction and his model. the cool chat of the party said it's a is the, is a potty off the future. it is on the fall off to doing well in the future as well. why is that happening a day? a very young policy. they started off as a euro, skeptic. e and europe skeptic policy, and they've radicalized over the last 10 years and have now adopted an anti immigration stands. they of focusing very much, they want to leave the, the euro. they do want to potentially lease the european union and they want to fence dummy off it essentially against immigration. and,

and they do resonate with a certain group of people, especially in the east of the country that say we need some fundamental changes, especially when it comes to immigration. that is, out of control watts and dominates of this election campaign was that we did see a series of attacks commit to find on german nationals. so you know, the sd managed to get the top co topic on the agenda. the other parties had sort of, tried to avoid the topic of migration, but then with these institutions, and was the very 1st to bake going on and scheduling some ads also am allowed for the a if the to become the dominant class. so the very 1st time in an inborn, just talk to decide about the emotion that he put forward. so in a way he help normalize the, if the as well, and the sd last, a lot of focus to the a, if the so the sd didn't ring through to that call photo base, which is the workers. so lots of people who are uncertain about the future insecure,

they, uh they, they feel overwhelmed. and they say that migration is by running out of control these people off looking to the sd. and then, you know, if i can just bring you in over here at the kind of phenomenon that you're seeing in germany of assault, i bought the doing well. we're seeing this across the board in europe. i want to just need to look at the results of the art of involvement, connections at the, from the summer that if this is happening across a europe whole lobbying is this. when we're talking above and finish match talks about a stronger yarbrough or on auto, auto, auto mall cohesive. going on. how watching these followed movements of poppies when it comes to that goal as well, the fall ride scored some success during the last european elections. so today that is the largest shell seats going to actually to fall right parties or to parliamentary groups of

a fall right parties. and the interesting thing is that they disagree on one fundamental issue. and that is that you political positioning. some of them are rather close to russia and others aunt and that is important because if they all where we would have a bigger problems. so right now we can say yes, that is a stronger fall, right? and on some issues they won't be able to unite uh, for instance, on the issue of migration, or they will try and push back on the green deal on the, you level. but on, on big questions of russia, the war and ukraine i. so i'm, they are not necessarily united, but then we have to look at the national level as well, of course, and this is where this has become painful for you. decision making, for instance, a leader like big tall or bind the prime minister of hungary has not agreed to some

proposals made in the context how to deal with rational sanction packages were delayed because of his hesitancy to impose them. and he will probably be someone who wishes to slow down efforts to step up support for your brain or to move ahead with your pin defense. so my answer to your question, how difficult or how dangerous or how programmatic is this would be that the member governments will probably group in coalitions of the willing, more and more simply because we have the pressing a new security situation on our continent where we can't wait very long until we go into action. just like should always match. set this in the very 1st little film which you showed that is a need to act quickly. and this may lead to a situation where those who have a fall, right? even political leadership, or at least a government participation, or

a strong parliamentary representation, they may try to slow down the process and some governments will no longer play this game and simply say, will move on if you don't want to be part of this, you can do whatever you wish, and so in, in the area of defense and security, this works. i smelt you comprehend, so it relies on governments anyway. and i believe that is the way we will see things evolving and the european union. thanks so that diana, this is in case i'm just joining us. this is off the the way we encourage you to send us your questions on youtube, to the community chat on the austin. i'm new life stream and we have one of those questions that we can bring up sent to us by daniel newman, who's asking, cool, oh, cool. happen in germany like we're seeing in america, and what god, rails are in place to prevent that. not would you like to take that on?

yeah, it's a big, wide cool. in germany, of course, around the world. people are asking themselves all the nazis back and you know, what does it take for a democracy in europe to collapse one that caused terrible, terrible, and hit rick cost. terrific, terrific. consequences around the world. and this is a big, wide, bought it. we do have some golf browse in place. you saw that i think best when there was an attempt to storm parliament. and that was a couple of years ago. and it was, you know, the coven parent. it was difficult for society. and uh, you know, that was a big debase about the infringement of privacy laws and you know, limitation people's freedom, etc. and some groups actually did try to storm haldeman. and i think that rang and

alarm bells. so, you know, security has been and tightened some watts around federal institutions, democratic institutions as well, but also the security agencies more or less then they why, if you compare it, for example, to the, and to that series that we had in the early 2, thousands of a series of right wing extremist matter is that we're going round the country and killing immigrants and a um, a german born police woman for the 1st couple of years that the police were focusing on. and what they called kill on crimes and didn't focus on the fact that this could potentially have been committed by right wing extremist. so i think the level of lightness has risen since then, because it did turn out that this was a gang of 3 people who being financed by

a network of other right wing extremists, who were just getting around on a rampage. and said the lightness to right wing potential right wing extremism is higher than it was also. and we saw the circle, the guy's, the guy that is movement. uh, that is active here is how big. but it is some essentially movement that says, germany's under occupation still, and it is not a silver and country and that the americans are in charge and that germany needs to become suffering again. and that the institutions need to be reclaimed. and they say that they're not as citizens of the federal republic of germany, etc. and they want to take back the institutions violently and they tried. they had plans in the making to, in stolt and state, some sort of an emperor. and it turned out that one of the people involved

was a member of parliament, an active member of tyler. and she was arrested as well as several other people. and so these people are active. and of course now there's big concession is the, the describing of problems by the f d the how they're going to shape the debate. opening the space up, it says interpreting freedom of speech as the right to lie. and staring a patriot in certain groups of the population, not necessarily themselves, but the networks that place the hopes in them. or are they going to become more powerful or not? well, i think over the last couple of years we've seen right wing extreme is crimes have been on the rise. so the security agencies all more per pet than they were. and we are far away from the crew. right. but again, the, if they have said very clearly, they've got their eyes on 2029. they've got their eyes on making the next demo and

government as unstable as they possibly can. and of course, the voices are going to be heard across the republic. you never know how people react, that to bring in another question from a community member who has the center. this question is from catalina really and she's asking how with the coalition involving the see, do you see us you end up if they don't want to work with a fine like potty, like the a if the maybe i just bring that to you. done. yeah. allow the cd you see is who has said that they don't want to work with the a f d. that is, that's going to be problematic. so the coalition moving forward, particularly when it comes to governing and i'm in parliament trying to pass laws for example. so if we do the math, it is clear that with the social democrats, the cd u. c. s u has a majority of seats and will be able to govern if they agree on a coalition treaty,

which is like the guidebook to a 4 year legislature, germany, where everything is settled for 4 years. maybe we see a slim a coalition treating because we are living in very rapidly evolving times, but still on the bigger political questions, but has to be agreement. and the c s. u a cd you group will, will work very closely with the social democrats, probably as of today or tomorrow to figure out whether they can agree on a program for the next government. and that would be a government which, which could work pretty well. yet today's election results show that the, the, the opposition is indeed dominated by the in, by the other not cheaper for darn slammed. and nina just said that they have announced they want to make this government unstable. so they will use all kinds of

parliamentary tools and they all have already done so in the ending legislative periods. so that will be in the reality, parliamentary world will be more difficult. they will be public, they have a board and jobs to cover as the largest opposition parties, such as the chair of the budgetary committee. and all these things will, will be there. but it is possible to form a government without the i to not keep it for dodge land if they find a political compromise. of course, one of the biggest issues for the a, if the was the issue of the immigration into something that they need, it was also going to say uh, they were trying to exploit. we have a question from a community member on the issue of the migration, and this is from sort of hon. email was asking. will there be any change in the newly passed fall struck citizenship role? even though the conservatives are likely form a coalition with the s b d,

will there be a change? you know, this, this is, i think so early to say, and a lot we'll just, great, we'll just have to wait a little about the details. the conservatives have been very clear that said they did not agree with the, with the loss of the liberal policies that the, the current government or the previous government, the colleagues and that collapsed in november. and they adopted and pushed through . and of course, they will have to appeal to voters sort of on the right spectrum and right political spectrum and, and say that they want to control immigration. so immigration will be one of these issues or migration in total and every little instrument will be looked on very, very costly. and the conservatives are under pressure. they do want to deliver

this picture of, okay, we will get it back under control. and whether that implies the fast track citizenship, little i don't know, because at the same time with in the situation where they have any names of immigration, it needs highly qualified people. it needs people to settle here and take a jobs. and i mean, our population is aging, so of course they're not going to close the board as or anything, but which aspects of the immigration laws are going to be changed. that will depend on just what those are. some democrats will want, in order for them to enter into government with that lation meds as well. correct me if i'm wrong. the citizenship laws was basically as an incentive to try and opinion, most caseworkers trying to attract them to jeremy, that brother ink of citizenship, the on both parties, the cdsi su block, and the s b. d generally agreed that germany does require skilled migrant. just in

that context, they are placed on the same page, even if the specifics onto i tell you that, would that be correct? right, yeah, no, absolutely. i mean that for the, for the conservatives before the election campaign focused on migration, it was all about the economy. and then they let the opportunity slip present slate and followed the of the some water at least rhetorically by dumping on that topic and say, we need to control emigration. but before that, they said, okay, everything we can do to get the economy going. again, we're going to look at and of course they have the knowledge that, that cannot just come from people here already. the lots and lots of hospitals wouldn't be functioning anymore if we did not people from abroad. this is a show called us the w, which is why we're asking for your questions. and one of those questions is here with us. let's have a look at it on the full screen. this is a question from philip pierce, was asking,

what will be our guest steak on the side of bog and makes the lines of the b s w. this have been this thought a lot of this. it's curious how the cd you espy, the and the left bossy losing out to parties like a if the and b s w, who want to restrict or even version of that's an excellent question. the mattress is indeed, but i think we do have to make a bit of a correction that because the less policy actually and one and surprised everybody and soul this sudden said again and made it into bunch of stuff. even though lots of people have said they would never by saying we need to be open and welcoming to every body when not going to port people. so they benefited from and, and from the pro migration's done. so the last policy didn't lose out. and having said that, b s w looked very, very close to getting into bonus stock. and yes, their leader was very clear. we want to control migration. and the sd of cool is

the most most hotline whole case and is sort of a policy when it comes to that topic. and it's, it's true that migration is an emotional topic. it is something where i think we'll have to see how the next government is going to see to it. and it's also true that there are a that we have seen a couple of incidents where people should have been deposited. and the, as far as he's were just too slow, are they were not communicating with each other. and so those essentially agreement that the state failed, the people know that the people should have known that there was some somebody out there who was going to commit a crime and they didn't act. and that is not a popular thing. you know, if, if you feel let down by you'll authorities of course, people start losing trust in institutions. let me just bring your in daniella on

this, on the issue of integration, would you say, what is the, what is the big children my looks at your up as a whole. is your up getting more into migrant anti immigrant? that is definitely a more general tendency, not only something that has recently happened in germany with the rise of id and with b. s. w, trying locks to get into one of those types of they are both present in the european parliament and so on. the far right parties who want to take a more restrictive stands on immigration. just look at italy with the prime minister at georgia, maloney who actually tries to create immigrants, camps and process the applications outside of the italian territory and albania. not successfully so far. she has gotten into route with owed courts, but there's general an attack generally an attempt to really externalize the issue

of migration to basically pull up orders on the outside of the european union. and we have seen some countries including germany, at least on a temporary basis. to re introduce border controls within the single market, where actually the free circulation of people is one of the fundamental principles . but let me just say one thing, this discrepancy between being more restrictive on immigration and on the other hand, this need for so people coming into our countries to work for aging societies are not only driving problem, but it's really something that is the case. and opposite you countries as well. and what we see right now is that when fall right, parties get strong and really not only dominate the political narrative, but in particular play a strong role or on the local level. for instance, people don't feel comfortable anymore. who would come as qualified labor and were

actually invited to come and then they are the and then they don't feel well because they feel the political climate as hostile because they may be aggression on the street. so in fact, the rise of the fall right makes this policy, which is so needed to attract qualified labor. well, it's all more difficult. we can already see because germany already has a know that allows this, that people come, but then they don't stay. and this is something we have to discuss very honestly and very seriously to really evaluate the price of anti it'd be grand positions because it does have a negative effect on society as a whole. and in germany wants that of all germans having immigration background. so it's actually something that concerns our society, the citizens in, in a very important way. and i think we need a conversation. but in a,

let's say more constructive and positive sense, not fear driven. um, as i still try to do it. so immigration, most likely, one of those topics that overshadowed of this election. but you also had a non mosque that, that played a role in place, but it came to the election and the comments that people have to say that this is a question from name on the head. god was asking. we've germany, 5 criminal charges against non mosque for election in default and stuff promotion the extremist fall, right? if the, if i can just told that to you, daniela, is that something that is being considered up to 5 criminal charges against the non mosque? a sofa. i'm not aware of a serious initiative. of course the question is raised, is that possible? maybe not knows more, but what is definitely the case is that that has been an extremely strong political pushback. when a vice president j

d. vans and promotions. i have the um, i'm pretty sized of the model german parties at the munich security conference that was also an interference into our election, which was only 8 days ahead at that time. and it was super interesting to see how leading politicians immediately and spontaneously pushed back for assistance. the defense vendor group level. later he pulled away his script at the moment of speech and basically actually also said, i'll speak german now because he wanted to send the message, touch to the domestic audience as well. and he said very clearly that list was totally unacceptable. privilege, matt said. so chancellor schroeder said so, so basically that was a very strong political pushback, which was very clear. and i think very important to send a message to durham and citizens that there is an interest to really keep german elections as to how many elections as free and fair and

a to push back against extra and that the parents. in fact, you've had a number correctly and you know, you're interviewed, but as dishonest as well. and after that interview, uh but then yeah, the author, that's basically what's known. so let's just uh, taking another view of question that's come to us on the youtube community chat, reinstall the question up now, or question from the ledge of the really who's asking isn't the biggest challenge germany's economy since it hasn't had to be growth in a 3 years a recession is what the ladies talking about. how does the coalition planned to deal with what is predict mats is planned to tackle this? the big question the. c very good, i mean you cover those for so long now. right. i mean, every time i see you on the, you're talking about the full state of the germany economy. and of course, i mean, i think sometimes what people tend to forget is that russians war against ukraine

did have tremendous consequences on the state of our economy. and our energy prices sold ended. there's still really, really high end inflation went, went down a lot more slowly than in other countries, ends and finish meds. interestingly, in these alexa manifesto presented his program, how to stimulate the economy and how it was going to finance all of these investments into a defends, etc. and people did the research and, and found that he's still lacking a 100000000000 euros. that is just nobody knows where he wants to get, not money for. so it isn't. and the finance election manifesto, so i don't have the details yet. i think as well. it's definitely not helping for any economy is when you've got the uncertainty about the cost, right. and in the previous government, we had 3 very, very independent,

very confident policies that extremely different nowadays about whether or not to use subsidies to get investment going and to get the economy going again with this f d p, the circle business friendly or c p. m always saying, but we can't take on you that we need to leave it to the market to figure itself out in the green saying, no, no, no, no, no, we need to transform the industry and we need to help. and companies do that, and that's why we need to make investments. so i think they'll have to settle on that. and without the if the p, i think the conservatives a lot more flexible when it comes to taking on that to get the economy thing. what it was daniela about the debt bay because he did use the read debt this the what debt is to bu a, in germany. and that is also a cost if there's still a back sto add to it. but do you think that it will eventually boils down to discussing the debt break as to how much debt germany can actually take on?

so it can fund all the various initiatives that need to be funded. i definitely do and see, do you volunteer sense? i've seen it look signal for a few weeks now, but the party agrees that something has to be done simply because the challenges have really changed substantively. we spoke about security, well now we're speaking about investment. we need investment in infrastructure. we need investment into education, into innovation and research. germany is among those countries who still have a logic on to me, but who have lost competitiveness and product. that is because we lost leadership in the area of technology and digitization and then also requires some kind of investment for the bought early stage, but also private. but the circumstances have to be set up. that's private. money comes back into germany at a point of time where the competition with the u. s. is really fits for 44 and

direct investment. and now the debt rank is a rule which a coalition of christian democrats and social democrats put in the constitution at a point in time where they thought, yes, this works. we kind of avoided and business now desperately changed. the problem is here that in order to change the constitution, it to the majority of m. p. 's need to vote for it, but also in this chamber the bonus got. and so this is not an easy deal and needs to be negotiated because maxwell and have a tooth that has majority. we leave it at the moment and there we are running out of time. thanks so much for joining us today. dining and as rod. so from the beth is mine, i foundation and data boost chief political correspondent, you know, has, i think so as to both of you for making it that's all the time. but if you have thanks for sending us your questions, hopefully you will join us later on the,

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