that's right. yes, with dr. me and 5 years cost. if we remember, when the world still stops march, 8th on d, w. germany has decided what f shots governing coalition crashed all of the 3 policies old, punished with historically low numbers. and the big, where is this mass on whose center? right, kristen? she must now forge a new coalition. go on, lead. europe's biggest economy, all of its kind of crisis. see also needs to take the lead in europe comp, training and increasingly hostile white house. but the other big winner is the far right. a s d nearly doubling share with the vote to around $0.20. helping no small measure by vocal support from donald trump on the on most buttons match valve he

will, under no circumstance, will continue with the filed runners to die on to the point we are literally from ubs to the rescue. is he the man to fix europe's broken back? the hello and welcome to this special edition of to the point one day after germany's general election. i'm grab it off, is good to have you with us. let me introduce my panel today. got statements, stomach, she leads the parliamentary bureau of guy in the ship costs. that's a regional danny newspaper here in germany. golden, the pinsky, the executive editor, germany for political names, websites, and daniel go foster, chief correspondent in europe, full vet, shops of all the business weekly year in germany are very

welcome to all of you. let's start with we've had the results. and what does this result say about the current political move in germany? the current political mood is a mood of change. it's another window of change about the world of change. i think the people of germany was set up with the politics with the center. so center left politics, we saw the last 3 years and well they decided for change. but the center last yesterday and the fall riots gained a lot of votes. so it will be very hard to, to is in the coming years. but it's not a radical change, is it? is it sort of focus that correction to the right. but it's, it's not a radical change in terms of the possible coalition. i wouldn't say it's a radical change because now you have the opportunity to, to have a relatively stable government of the conservatives and the social democrats. but the that happened by chance we have to say also because one of the new populace

parties, the b s. w. so the form of socialist leaders of, of august and her group just barely didn't make it into the parliament. if that had to, you know, gone out differently, then we would stand in a completely different situation. but we have to see that the a, if the has nearly doubled the, the sort of piece of cake and the parliament that we will see from above is no really huge fun. and that will change the political debate. and obviously that's a lot of pressure on the new government to govern law successfully then the coalition did before, because otherwise we will see a more radical change in for us to say in this metaphor. now the, the cd or for the mass. of course i'll be clear when is not as big as they had hoped that didn't even reach the so the 30 percent. so why, why is that 60 makes a little mistake strategic mistakes. the last was the votes together with

a if the in questions of migration. and i think that a few office possible voters in the, in the center lose the confidence that he will never go all along on the side, on the f t m. that may be the reason because he knows one or 2 percent he owns in all the pulse before when we remember the weeks before we have 3132 and if more percent for fresh math and has a potty. but now it's clear under this magic 30 percent limit what he is so expected. um, i think one of the reasons is the strategic mistake. boating together. 50 hello. just didn't like him so much. yeah. well yeah. he is not. that's a person who has some guy here. he's very tall here, sometimes seems to be arrogant and goes very far. it is not very polite. so he wasn't the ideal candidate for the christian. never cut the union. yeah. so he only

represent part of his own party. you can see you can divide this party into a free pots and sees that the right wing pod economic pod. and t is not the representative of the center part. people joining the churches, even the women and, and to see do, and this is the maximum result. you can have the kind of like can by that was clear before that's have a, a closer look at the, the new man who will, in all likelihood, be in charge of germany for the next 4 years. who is sleepless mats for just man, he's the victim in this federal election with a cd you c, as you can serve to the lines, to secure twins 9 percent of the vote via hub. and we've won this 2025 federal election of on this a pool showing the 2nd was to make some result in the products. history still

mounts, hopes to force a governing coalition. swiftly, ideally, before easter, preferably with the social democrats. i see that the cost the world won't wait for us once. once you've been wanting to wait for long drawn out coalition negotiations . if you're on fund going, we must be capable of acting again quickly. and so we can do the right thing in germany. so that we have present the game in europe fencing and suddenly the world sees germany has a reliable government game here and that they buy a conservative who is healthy. economy front incentive, his entire political career treated as mounts a polarizing figure, who's taking his share political blows, including from uncle america. disappointed amounts return to his business career. you've been a political come back in 2022. he became leader of the c d. u. then the candidate for johnson as winter of the selection will mats be able to unify polarize country,

get the economy back on track, and strengthened germany against the currently harsh international climate. now, is he the right man to stiffen europe's backbone? is the only man at the moment because there's no alternative and zoning and i think he has a lot of experience and political questions. he was, even though he never held office, he never had an office, but that would not mean that he had no experience in governing a country, but he has a lot of political experience. he started his k, we're in the parliament. so he has a long view on europe, and then he managed to be the leader of the fraction of the parliamentary group and in the 1st things, 1st row. and then after this, he had 10 years break from politics. he was at because he was the manager of, we're sort of a big company in the us and he collected a lot of experience in the,

in the corporate and the community. and yes, a lot of relationships close relationships to american police the scene as well. um, he was the chairman of the atlantic bridge, which is a well known association here in germany. and so he has a lot of experience in political questions, who do not have experience in governing a country. and that is something he had to learn. he has to make compromises. he had to saw lines into photo of his long lines was for teacher question, especially in europe. and then we will see what will come in all likelihood will form a coalition with the social democrats. how big of a gap is that politically between the 2 parties? um, there is a gap, certainly on the occlusal questions of the upcoming 4 years, which are migration and economic reform. it's a, i don't think it's something that is not possible to be solved. i mean,

obviously the approaches and migration policy are very different. and i think that what the social democrats tried to do in the past 4 years, what was to to enhance more strict migration policies, but within the legal framework. whereas the conservative party and for the business of sort of challenge the legal framework, the, the european legal framework that is, yeah, i mean, the, mostly the european legal framework. but it came to rejecting a legal migrants at the national board us. that is the most predominant point in that regard. so that would be quite a discussion how to really make a visible step forward without violating international or european law on economic reform. i think um the approaches are very different. the kinds of attempt to additionally, the conservative approach would be rather go into reducing social benefit,

as you know, making a lean or creating a lean or stage. whereas the social democrats would rather go into spending. i think you can combine the 2, but then you obviously needs more money. so we're in the middle of, i think the most crucial question in germany, which is like how to organize the finances and the budget. and i think this will be the 1st of all questions. you're going to come to that in a moment because i'd like to, to oft match. it said yesterday that we're going to have a new government by east or, you know, this pretty quite well. uh yeah, how i don't i, i doubt it because um, well, there's no a break. um those connie, well, we have an election coming up next. the next sunday and i'm book and the social democrats are about twins, the state. so they really want to keep it come now and um it will take awhile because it's the social democrats who are really defeated. now, go into such a coalition. it will take time because they have to ask the members, maybe there's

a pet tied tack and the party convention and they have to decide, do we, do we go? this was foolish math or you don't so. so the question would be difficult. that would be very difficult and the social democrats now to with things the teen, to go into these talks and this last thing, by all the parts you need, or it would be a crucial person. and both custodial as the minister of the defendants defense. and um, so they build a team, but it would be hard for them those to to, to watch in the city. so yeah. and clean violence. custodial us and the others like um my teeth know she's the general secretary of the party and there are some women of course vasquez, who and she's still a party leader coordinator. it's really hard for her. i don't know if she's the wife is all the circumstances but them, well they're out of, but it's not the only 3. but if i, if they've stuff with

a historical defeat and yet they didn't come out as one of the winners because they're still in, in government as it no one else as it, as it, as it looks now. but let's, let's put in the, the, of a big winner of this evening. that's the, the find right? if the doubling their share with the vote to around 20 percent, that's another historic a fast they will be in no position. but how big will their influence be? so quite, quite big because you'd see from the, from the resides of the national elections, 20 percent each 5th low to vote for a safety. and if you see the, the map of germany in eastern germany, it's all blue. it's nearly every a pod as a f d is the 1st and the role and this will be a heavy problem, especially in, in the eastern parts of germany. so on the other hand, 80 percent of the german said no to the 50 and that is

a quite big majority. and so i have to do you have to take it into relation to the don't under estimate them don't under estimate the, the consequences we will see if the, the new government will be not successful. but i'm still optimistic that that will be all, everybody knows that it's the time to make some efforts to make some step forwards and to they they have, they have to be successful. who disco otherwise, in the next, the lowest elections, i fear that will be another resolved entry to another mind that that's what they have to install. now, the amounts of said he will not cooperate with the f d. come what may. and yet, let's have a listen to what the, if these lead at least 5 of us to say to that one is most, i'm sorry, i will say one thing, hon. our hand. we don't always the stress time to take part in government for the

time to go on in order to enact the will of the people in the will of germany on, on. so that's one question for you that how long can it possibly be ignored and from that receives 20 percent of about? so i'm not sure if they are being ignored. i mean, i think that's a, that's a decent majority against a if the, you know, i don't think it's a revolution to see a great coalition, and i think it's logical that this is the 1st choice. i think if we had seen a more complicated situation than this, which would have been very possible, i think we would have had a debate within the conservative party, not in the leadership maybe, but on a lower level, whether it would be time to speak with a if the and i think this is a, a situation even though for these amounts, absolutely clearly and, and, and we can trust him here, rule it out to work together with a, if the there are other parts. we think that this debate should be,

should be left at some point. i mean, we, what we will see obviously is if the government is not successful, then probably if the will gain more votes. i think it, we are currently already in a situation where they almost made it to inconsistencies in west, in germany. they did when constituencies in terms of the party vote on, in terms of the, of the candidate vote and in and run it. but that's what i was in the, in that yeah, exactly. and then the south west of germany and cousins, dalton and also particularly in the will agree it's in the form of the industrial. yeah. the core of north of the salia. so there is a change that's kind of flows over from eastern germany to west in germany. and that's a serious situation. again, i can just you know, underline with dynamic off i said that it's all about the success of the nest next government. only then the id numbers can go down and measure of that success is of

course, how the economy is going. uh, we've been 2 years in recession here in germany. what's on madison's economic to do this? yeah, i think it's the classic program from a conservative party. it's a kotik, texas. it's uh, reducing uh their aqua c. it tried to. yeah, to change the transformation, offer into still a part in germany. the question is, what is more important wants has to be reached. quaker or foster, the climate change or the situation of the industry and move is a favorite change. he would try to make the, the transformation of the industry. the country like germany is a very heavy task and you have to be very expecting this. and the impression from icims is people, and this is probably, is that the grains at the form of government, what to,

to and vicious with that losing control over over other questions. and that will be, i think, the most important change beside all these other factors. i mentioned before, one of the issues that the former coalition stumbled over was the so called dead break, which is enshrined and the german constitution that limits the amount of borrowing that a government can do that will be massive amounts of money needed for defense that will becomes clear and clear. uh if that's uh that is the case a come to that break survive. it's really and we'll uh, call it was another. it will be another name for it. but um for this match just gave signals. so to use more than willing to, to invest in infrastructure in the security in the army and he will need the money. and there were the social democrats really liked to get money from the

market to well, to invest in the country. they will do it, will they, will that be enough? the problem is that the majority of these have changed to an extent that you don't have a constitutionally valid majority now in the new parliament to, to really make that's a good as it contains in terms of the designated to a to set started to hear exactly so you can do that anymore now are already created. have it, he has started to, to make it for him for the way it's all sort of, i mean the, the majority in the problem and changes on the day of the constitution of the new parliament that this would be within 4 weeks. but obviously, until then you could technically find the majority and, and, and bring that change into reality. but that would also mean really fast negotiations and solution on what to do with the money. so i think it's so far, it's maybe a bit of a fantasy,

but it shows what challenges are ahead of this new call this and i'm not quite sure if the 1st thing you want to change is to give up his position, comparing to the, to the depth break may be there's will be the resides of further negotiations of calls, but will not be the 1st thing. and i expect that that will be other solutions because there's the majority is not available as you need the 2 thirds majority. and so that may be in a way, besides ways the so called emergency effects. so we can see if a, we are now in the new global situation and the us government take away the umbrella to protect europe. and we need more money for defense. and so we have another situation and perhaps you can argue with that it will be much more easier to events to, to find a majority in the bonus tag along to the if the and the left was still no trump, of the white house, we will have

a discussion about defense and voltage costs and thought about a security or army. we'd be ready for fighting against an demo, a russia in 70 years. so it costs money. i mean, currently what we're experiencing here is a new government coming in. so for the 1st time, with a real possibility of the security, i brought up that the us of provider being pulled away on the i mean the cards are really redistributed right now. is matt's in terms of his transatlantic views. is he better suited to deal with the trump administration and trump himself then, for example, schultz could have been, i doubt that because um, his positive approach to the us and his deep understanding of the country has really rapidly changed after the the was from mr. trump himself about the ukraine of to whence speech in unit. and he definitely took another

position towards the us government. so i think uh you cannot say okay, mattress was a transatlantic guy. he was uh the chairman of the atlantic bridge. so he would get along with the drum, the only thing he he can do is to be on the same level like electronic. so it is a i to i yeah. so, you know, i to, i'm not to interfere to drum and to go to go on the niece to the white house, that's the worst thing you can do. and that match from his character. and from the way he is taking politics. i think that will be a possibility for me, but that's the only one. he also 5 minute famous that has a bit of a short fuse, sometimes not on like the amount of the white house. do you think that will help me? i don't think it's a disadvantage, i think uh it makes sense to, to play the same game with all of them. but i think politically as can much rather do that then his,

his predecessor. so i think on that level of this room for optimism that, you know, there's very masculine game that probably will take place than in the white house or wherever they meet. so, you know, with, with be this will be what it is, but the that might also lead really resolved. i mean, in terms of terrace that he can, as was very outspoken already and say, okay, if, if you want to impose a tireless, we will do the same. and then the, the whole story will end. and the best world he could imagine would be if both lower towers but on ukraine. i mean, certainly for these mats, we'll see more responsibility for germany and for europe if they want to keep up the support for ukraine, that again requires a lot of money into a lot of investment, but i think there's no alternative if you want to keep the values high end politic minutes was very clear on that. he was suppose ukraine the way that has happened before, even without the administration. so today's was a result of yes, it is result you say is good news for your friend? no, i don't think it's good news for ukraine. i think i think the size and,

and the emails are not very far away from each other. i think there's a continuity with maybe a bit of a percentage more support for ukraine, but that's on low level. i think before you create them, it's much more important what happens in the senate or in the white house, and they can just hope that do your opinions, get the things together to, to keep on supporting, right. do you think that a germany it can now become a stronger voice for the hold of your us? we hope so. i hope so. i think that is this a need for it? what i saw it's wasn't the strong voice for german in europe and process. so i really hope of, with his mouth and his ambition to be a yeah, very clear to the french positive. i mean, i know my call will help to many and had fonts and type your and don't forget he's,

he's a conservative and the majority. and the you can paul month is from the open people's party as well. the most of the commissions off from the european people's party. and from, from this view, he has a, he has some assistance and some help from, from his to wait important institutions. on the other hand, of course, he had to make his compromises, whether you can lead us into your pin console and we'll see what he's able to do. but the expectations are very high. and what you must do is to take this german road as it always isn't. you take leadership by pay. so it is right. yeah. but that, that's the combination. you cannot because i'd like to come to a final route and i'd like to somebody that mounts has to leave on the 4th is kick, start the economy, cut back on social spending, lose the dead break. be a strong central figure in the you help face down putting a stand up to end at the same time. some trump haven't forgotten anything. uh 3 has

the just taken on the toughest gig and german posts for history. i mean he was running for chancellor. yes. of course, i mean it's not only germany is a, is most of the western democracies which are standing in front of the same challenges and for these mounts has done that. i think he's a lucky man because he can do that and they can call this and then he doesn't have to form a 3 party clinician. so i mean that's what he always wanted. so we can start, he's very self confident. so he said the feel they have faces, illusions about what comes soon. so i think we're doing really, really succeed well, i hope so. i mean, yeah, but i, i don't lose any trust and i think he is a lead of others. i agree, as i think we should be a bit optimistic and give him a chance. he's a new face and he should do the best and well that we come to the end of today's program. thank you very much to my panel and thank you for sharing

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