the content includes the dots you get in the germany has decided what f shots governing coalition crashed. all of the 3 policies old, punished with historically low numbers. and the big one is sort of this map santos center. right christian them. she must allow for j, new coalition, government and lead europe's biggest economy. all of its kind of crisis, see also needs to take the lead in europe, comp trading and increasingly hostile white house. but the other big winner is the far right. a s d nearly doubling its share with the vote to around $0.20. helping no small measure by vocal support from donald trump funding on most buttons match

valves, he will, under no circumstance, will continue with the fall runners to die on to the point we are literally from ubs to the rescue is he's a man to fix europe's broken back to the hello and welcome to this special edition of to the point one day of the germany's general election. i've got office good to have you with us. let me introduce my panel today. trust in my stomach. she leads the parliamentary bureau of trying to ship costs. that's a regional daily newspaper here in germany. golden, the pin scheme, the executive editor, germany for political names, websites, and dani, a golf thoughts, shape correspondence, europe for vet shops of all the business weekly. here in germany,

to say welcome to all of you. let's start with we've had the results. and what does this result say about the current political move in germany? the current political mood is a mood of change. it's another window of change about the world of change. i think the people of germany was set up with the politics with the center. so center left politics, we saw the last 3 years and well they decided for change. but the center last yesterday. and the fall riots gained a lot of votes, so it will be very hard to, to who is in the coming years. but it's not a radical change. is it? is it sort of sense that correction to the right, but it's, it's not a radical change in terms of the possible coalition. i wouldn't say it's a radical change because now you have the opportunity to, to have a relatively stable government of the conservatives and the social democrats. but the that happened by chance we have to say also because one of the new populace

parties, the b s w. so the form of socialist leaders of, of august 8th and her group just barely didn't make it into the problem. and if that had to, you know, gone out differently, then we would stand in a completely different situation. but we have to see that the a, if the has nearly doubled the, the sort of piece of cake and the parliament that we will see from above is now a really huge fun. and that will change the political debate. and obviously that's a lot of pressure on the new government to govern law successfully, then the collision did before. because otherwise we will see a more radical change. and for us to say in this metaphor, now the, the cd or for the mass of clothes, obviously uh when is uh, not as big as they had hoped. they didn't even reach that. so the 30 percent. so why, why is that? 60 made several mistakes, strategic mistakes. the last was the, the votes together with a f d in questions of migration. and i think that

a few office possible voters in the, in the center lose the confidence that he will never go all the long inside on the f t. m. that may be the reason because he knows one or 2 percent he owns in all the pulse before when we remember the weeks before we have 3132 and if more percent for a fresh match and has a potty. but now it's clear under this magic 30 percent limits what he his so expected. um i think one of the reason is the strategic mistake bocce together safety and the just didn't like him so much. yeah. well yeah. he is not such a person who has some guy. yeah, he's very tall here. sometimes it seems to be arrogant and goes very forward. he's not very polite. so he wasn't the ideal candidate for the christian. never got the

union. yeah. so yeah, he only represent pop of his own party. you can see you can divide this party until 3 pots and t is that the right wing pod economic pot, and t is not the representative of the center part, a people joining the churches, even the women and, and to see do. and this is the maximum results you can have, the candidate i can buy that was clear before let's have a, a closer look at the, the new man who will, in all likelihood be in charge of germany for the next 4 years. who is sleepless mats for judgment. he's the victim in this federal election with a cd you c a. so you can serve to the lines to secure 29 percent of the vote via hub and we've won this 2025 federal election government the year. that's a poor showing. the 2nd was to make some result in the past. history still mounts,

hopes to forward a governing coalition. swiftly, ideally, before easter, preferably with the social democrats. i see that the house and the world won't wait for us once. once you've been wanting to wait for long drawn out coalition negotiations, if you're on fun going, you must be capable of acting again quickly. and so we can do the right thing in germany. so that we have present a game in europe fencing and said that the world sees the germany has a reliable government game here. and that they buy a conservative who is healthy. economy front incent his entire political career to leave it as mounts a polarizing figure. who's taking a share of political blows, including from ongoing america, disappointed amounts return to his business career, then a political come back. in 2022, he became leader of the c d. u. then the candidate for johnson as a winner of the selection will maps be able to unify apologize country, get the economy back on track,

and strengthen germany against the currently harsh international climate. now, is he the right man to stiffen europe's backbone? is the only man at the moment because there's no alternative and zoning and i think he has a lot of experience and political questions. he was, even though he never held office, he never had an office, but that will not mean that he had no experience in governing a country, but he has a lot of political experience. he started his k, we're in the parliament. so he has a long view on europe, and then he managed to be the leader of the fraction of the parliamentary group. and in the 1st is 1st a row. and then after this he had 10 years break from politics. he was at because he was the manager of, we're sort of a big company in the u. s. n t. i collected a lot of experience in the,

in the corporate and the community. and yes, a lot of relationships close relationships to american police. the scene as well. um he was the chairman of the atlantic bridge, which is a well known association here in germany. and so he has a lot of experience in political questions who do not have experience in governing a country. and that is something he had to long have to make compromises. he had to saw lines into photo of his long lines for strategic question, especially in europe. and then we will see what will come in all likelihood will form a coalition with the social democrats. how big of a gap is that politically between the 2 parties? um, there is a gap certainly on the course of the questions of the upcoming 4 years, which are migration and economic reform. it's a, i don't think it's something that is not possible to be solved. i mean,

obviously the approaches and migration policy are very different. and i think that what the social democrats tried to do in the past 4 years, what was to to enhance more strict migration policies, but within the legal framework. whereas the conservative party and for the beds itself sort of challenge the legal framework, the, the european legal framework that is, yeah, i mean, mostly the european legal framework when it came to rejecting a legal migrants at the national board us, that is the most predominant point in that regard, so that will be quite a discussion how to really make a visible step forward without violating international or european law on the economic reform. i think um the approaches are very different. the conservative traditional conservative approach would be rather go into reducing social benefits,

you know, making a lean are creating a liter state. whereas the social democrats would rather go into spending. i think you can combine the 2, but then you obviously needs more money. so we're in the middle of, i think the most crucial question in germany, which is like how to organize the finances and the budget. and i think this would be the 1st of all questions. you're going to come to that in a moment because i'd like to, to oft match. it said yesterday that we're going to have a new government by east. you know, this pretty quite well. uh yeah. how i thought i'd do that. i doubt it because, um, well, there's no a break. um those connie, well, we have an election coming up next to the next sunday and i'm book and the social democrats are about twins, the state. so they really want to keep it come now. and um, it will take awhile because it's the social democrats who are really defeated. now go into such a coalition. it will take time because they have to ask the members,

maybe there's a peptide tack and the type of party convention and they have to decide, do we, do we go, this was foolish math or you don't so. so the question that would be difficult then they would be very difficult, and the social democrats are now to with things the teen, to go into these talks and they have left thing by all the parts you need, or it would be a crucial person. and both of us told us that this minister of the defendants defense and um, so they build a team, but it would be hard for them those to, to, to watch in the city. yeah. and cling by then custodial us and the others like um uh let's us know she's the general secretary of the party and there are some women of course vasquez, who and she's still party leader co leader. it's really hard for her. i don't know if she's the wife is all the circumstances but them, well they're out of, but it's not the only suite but they 5, they have stuff with

a historical defeat. and yet they didn't come out as one of the winners because they're still in, in government as it the one else as it, as it, as it looks now. but let's, let's bring in the, the, of a big winner of this evening. that's the the find, right? a if the doubling their share with the vote to around 20 percent, that's another historic a fast they will be in no position. but how big will their influence be? so quite, quite big because you see out from the, from the results of the national elections, 20 percent each fit low to vote for a safety. and if you see the, the map of germany in eastern germany, it's all blue. it's nearly every a pod as a f d as the 1st and the role. and this will be a heavy problem, especially and in the eastern parts of germany. so on the other hand, 80 percent of the german said no to the 50 and that is

a quite big majority. and so i have to do, you have to take it into relation to each other, don't under estimate them. don't underestimate the, the consequences. we will see if that then you government will be not successful, but i'm still optimistic that that will be all everybody knows that it's the time to make some efforts to make some step forwards and to they they are, they have to be successful who disco otherwise, in the next the latest elections, i fear that will be another result. it's another mindset. yeah, that's what they have to install. now the amounts of said he will not cooperate with the f d. come what may. and yet, let's have a listen to what the, if these lead at least 5 of us to say to that point is most, i'm sorry, i will say one thing, hon. our hand will always the strikes time to take part in government for the time

to go on in order to enact the will of the people in the will of germany on, on. so that's one question for you at how long can it possibly be ignored and from that receives 20 percent of about. so i'm not sure if they are being ignored. i mean, i think that's a, that's a decent majority against a if the, you know, i don't think it's a revolution to see a great coalition, and i think it's logical that this is the 1st choice. i think if we had seen a more complicated situation than this, which would have been very possible, i think we would have had a debate within the conservative party, not in the leadership maybe, but on a lower level, whether it would be time to speak for the f t and i think this is a, a situation even though clinic mounts. absolutely. clearly and, and, and we can trust him here, rules out to work together with a, if the there are the parts we think that this debate should be,

should be left at some point. i mean, we, what we will see obviously is if the government is not successful, then probably if the will gain more votes. i think it, we are currently already in a situation where they almost made it to inconsistencies in western germany. they did when constituencies in terms of the party vote on in terms of the, of the candidate vote in uh, environment. that's what i was in the, in that yeah, exactly. and then the south west of germany and cousins, dalton and also particularly in the will agree it's in the form of the industrial. yeah. the core of north of the syria. so there is a change that's kind of flows over from eastern germany to west in germany. and that's a serious situation. again, i can just you know, underline with the new gulf. i said that it's all about the success of the nest next government. only then the id numbers can go down. and measure of that success

is of course, how the economy is going. uh we've been 2 years in recession here in germany. what's on madison's economic to do this? yeah, i think it's the classic program from a conservative party. it's a patrick texas its uh, reducing uh, their aqua c. it tried to yeah, to change the the transformation offer into still a pod in germany. um the question is, what is more in parking? lots has to be reached quicker or faster. the climate change or the situation of the industry and move is a favorite change he would try to make um the, the transformation of the industry. the country like germany is a very heavy task and you have to be very expecting this. and the impression from icims is people, and this is potty, is that the greens are the form of government. what to,

to and vicious with that losing control over over other questions. and that will be i think the most important change beside all these other factors. i mentioned before, one of the issues that the former coalition stumbled over was the single dead break which is enshrined and the german constitution that limits the amount of borrowing that a government can do that will be massive amounts of money needed for defense that will becomes clear and clear. uh if that's uh, that is the case. a company that break survive. it's really and we will uh call it was another. it will be another name for it. but um, for this match just gave signals that he is more than willing to, to invest in infrastructure in the security in the army. and he will need the money. and there were the social democrats really liked to get money from the

market to well, to invest in the country. they will do it. will they, will that be enough? the problem is that the majority of these have changed to an extent that you don't have a constitutionally valid majority now in the new parliament to, to really make that's ignition. can say it's intense us the designated to is a to set started to hear exactly. so you can't do that anymore now are already created. have it, he has started to, to make it for him for the way it's the sort of, i mean the, the majority in the problem and changes on the day of the constitution of the new parliament that this would be within 4 weeks. but obviously, until then you could technically find the majority and, and, and bring that change into reality. but that would also mean really fast negotiations and solution on what to do with the money. so i think it's so far, it's maybe a bit of a fantasy,

but it shows what challenges are ahead of this new call this and i'm not quite sure if the 1st thing you want to change is to give up this position, comparing to the, to the depth break may be there's will be able to resolve of, of, and equitation of calls, but will not be the 1st thing. and i expect that that will be other solutions because there's the majority is not available as you need the 2 thirds majority. and so that may be in a way, besides ways, the so called emergency effect. so it can say we are now in the new global situation. and the us government take away the umbrella to protect europe. and we need more money for defense. and so we have another situation and perhaps you can argue with that that will be much more easier to event. so to find a majority in the bonus tag, along to the if the and the left on the trunk of the white house, we will have

a discussion about defends and budget costs and thought about a security or army. we'd be ready for fighting against an don't know, a russia in 70 years. so it costs money. i mean, currently what we're experiencing here is a new government coming in. so for the 1st time, with a real possibility of the security umbrella, that the us of provider being pulled away on the, i mean the cars are really uh, redistributed right now is matt's in terms of his transatlantic views. is he better suited to deal with the trump administration and trump himself then, for example, schultz could have been, i doubt that because um, his positive approach to the us and his deep understanding of the country has really rapidly changed. after the words from mr. trump himself about the ukraine of ta. when's speech in unix?

and he definitely took another position towards the us government. so i think uh you cannot say okay, maximus. uh transatlantic. a guy he was uh the chairman of the atlantic bridge. so he would get along with the drum, the only thing he he can do is to be on the same level like electronic. so it is a i to i yeah. so i to, i am not 25th determined to go to go on the nice to the white house, that's the worst for you can do that mats from his character. and from the way he is taking politics, i think that will be a possibility for me, but that's the only one. you're also 5 minute famous that has a bit of a short fuse, sometimes not on like the amount of the white house. do you think that will help me? i don't think it's a disadvantage. i think uh it makes sense to to play the same game with donald trump and i think politically as can much rather do that then his,

his predecessor. so i think on that level of this room for optimism that, you know, there's very masculine game that probably will take place than in the white house or wherever they need. so, you know, with, with be this will be what it is, but the that might also lead to resolved. i mean, in terms of terrace that he can, as was very outspoken already and say, okay, if, if you want to impose towers, we will do the same. and then the, the whole story will end. and the best world he could imagine would be if both lowered arrows but on ukraine. i mean, certainly footage matched. we'll see more responsibility for germany in for europe if they want to keep up the support for ukraine. that again requires a lot of money into a lot of investment, but i think there's no other tenants here that you want to keep the values high end politic minutes was very clear on that. he was suppose you're creating the way that has happened before, even without the administration. so today's was a result of yes, it is result. you say it's good news for you? fine. no, i don't think it's good news for ukraine. i think,

i think what else was and, and the, the mass are not very far away from each other. i think there's a continuity with maybe a bit of a percentage more support for ukraine, but that's on low level. i think before you create, i mean it's much more important what happens in the senate or in the white house, and they can just hope that the europeans get the things together to, to keep on supporting. do you think that a germany it can now become a stronger voice for the hold of your as we hope so? i hope so. i think so is this a need for it? what of shorts wasn't the storm voice for germany and europe in process. so i really hope of those mounts and his ambition to be a yeah, very clear to the french positive. i mean, i know my call will help to many and headphones and type your and don't forget he's,

he's a conservative and the majority and video component is from the open cup of people's party as well. the most of the commissions, off from the root can people's party. and from, from this view he has a, yeah, he has some assistance and some help from, from his to wait important institutions. on the other hand, of course, he had to make his compromises, whether you were can lead us into your pin console and we'll see what he's able to do. but the expectations are very high. and what you must do is to take this german road as it always isn't. you take leadership but pay. so is it? yeah. but that that's the combination. you cannot because i'd like to come to a final route and i'd like to some of the mounts has to leave on. the 4th is kick, start the economy, cut back on social spending loose the dead break. be a strong central figure in the you help phase down putting a stand up to the end at the same time. some trump haven't gotten anything. uh 3

has the just taken on the toughest gig and german posts for history. i mean he was running for chancellor. yes, of course. i mean a, it's not only germany is a is most of the western democracies which are standing in front of the same challenges and for these mounts has done that. i think he's a lucky man because he can do that in a graphical this and then he doesn't have to form the 3 party clinician. so, i mean that's what he always wanted. so we can start, he's very self confident, so he's supposed to be facing any illusions about what comes soon. so i think we're doing really, really succeed well, i hope so. i mean, yeah, but i, i don't lose any trust and i think he is the lead of others. i agree, as i think we should be a bit optimistic and give him a chance. he's a new face and he should do the best and well that we come to the end of today's program. thank you very much to my panel and thank you for sharing

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