the find out the thing, the story info, my green, reliable news to migrate the hello bad welcome to the 77 percent. we are in the media. we want to find out how much history, particularly colonial history student matters today. and so we, i am going to talk about the conference historically past, but most importantly, drummond is rolling wood for then we decide to refresh a video for you for a better understanding of german is historically passed in the media. the concentration come here. welcome on to mocked one of many violent aspects of german rule in and it may be from 1894 to 1915. it began when merchant adults looter, it started acquiring land through intermediaries in southern. it may be

a protection treaties, often misleading or assigned under your risk, started the transition of land ownership from indigenous people to gibbons. ultimately this was about 835000 square kilometers, roughly $1.00 times the size of germany. here in german, south, west africa, germans didn't just come to exploit, they also came to settle, while locally does like hendrick fit for you and late to assemble. my herero initially tried to co operate with the german colonial administration. local nama and herero group suffered increasing pressure from germany's imperial expansion. more conflicts followed, and in 19 o. 4 war broke out between germany and the old herero, culminating in the decisive battle of what of the german general lo, tough on the truck to issued hayes extermination order which sped, no over herero found in german occupied territory. men and women and children were

forced into the water less pulled my head when many of them died of thirst and stuff ation the remaining herero. and now my people were put in so called concentration comes in, swap them onto an shock island, new druids. here they were forced to work without rest, prone to sickness and abuse. for this reason, the camp on shock island was even known as death either. when the caps were close down a 19 o 8 the remaining now mind herero communities were left in a very fragile and vulnerable state. governments, settlers and soldiers, bolt up land to cheaply and promote to their culture using colors to poorly paid to labor. they built railways, towns of businesses, which they would control for decades to come. during world war one, the south african troops expelled the german colonial administration by 1915. however, many settlers of state may be

a still faces big challenges in remembering this violent colonial history. and seeking justice for the communities most effected by german colonialism. hello everyone. welcome to the 77 percent special debate. i am 5 to any coming to she. and we are here in for 2 to us above we took, we want to talk about how much history, particularly colonial history still matters today. while it's teeming hearts. but i've got some energy to young students alongside some why the experts? yeah, the jacob marine goes cool. well going to help me expand this compensation and i'm going to start with the students. of course i will start with you just a friend telling me, when did you learn that your country? let me be. i was in fact quite a nice island these and i was great for we had such a site isn't before and then they did nothing like really in details, but that'd be good. regard to the body thing. the deal synchronize we'd 7 and then

grade 8, like we also thought about it again in history. and they also have this a good name again. so you learned in school, right? so what about you lie, not it's that car, say a name and when did you learn that your country was in fact quite a nice. did you talk about it in your household or at school? yes and be like um i get them. um shes like they get oh goodness. by that go, the nice is interesting about it and then i can ask my teacher about it then. um we go to the body that school so. okay. all right, let me just also compare to you rosemary. uh, the your story, what you've heard about your country is that the same as what they've said already like this. you went to the museum to find out more about any family. so i was calling see, on the freedom of optic of let me be if i may just come to you at data, why is it so important to learn about this particular history especially, but for the students to learn about it. mm hm. you need to know where you're coming from, what happened in the country. you need to know that certain mistakes shouldn't be repeated and you need to know why there's certain dynamics in the country. if i may

just come to the students briefly here, have you also experienced the stories at home where you towards by your parents what happened during that time? and you do, does that story in any way defy from what you've been taught in school, for example? or i don't think this a different of the story where the ones are stalled home and the one that i'm being taught in school because like my, my parents at home actually told us how to solve our big den. and, and also in school, i've been told the same story like about was school and how i'll miss a tv. it came to this point of naming a jacob, my ringer and how the names a named after the great he was that the really to finding these events like how we all are nice, but does dillman and all day, i mean, never let me just come to you, she mentioned to how the schooled was named of the people who for uh, for freedom. and why is it important for us to memorialize such people in such

a way? because history is mostly told by the witness and history, some sometimes nameless and faceless. so it's important to remind the community that heroes and liver writers and people who move to community to full what came from amongst elements came from the south of this country, came from the central part of the country and came from our families. so coming to jacob miranda, we always know this was one of the heroes from the south, and he played a major part in the media and to colonial struggle. he was one of the 1st that wakes to guerilla war against the germans, and that was, that is very, very important to understand. he was one of us interesting. and if i may just come to you, do you recall any heroes that you your things or stories are very compelling for you? yeah. um the use of evelyn to both you samuel ma and attentive good boy. and then on my head are also they also took part of 5 different dependence the time and

others so far. yeah, yeah. all right, so we had the same conversation with the students in germany about german who's going on, you know, history and know, maybe i'm, they had specific questions for the maybe and con to bites was they can look at that undergrad back. so we have a look, all right, come on i would like to know what you learned in history class and what's your curriculum looks like? especially in regards to colonialism and germany's influence on the move. yeah. how do you think this colonial history is remembered? why do we own, you? remember those important generals? maybe only the germans and the africans even mentioned at all. i was wondering if in your day to day life, you feel the off the effect of colonialism and if maybe it's still like an important aspect. and it's still like present germany, in fact, scrutinizing the media from 188429015 during that period,

tens of thousands of human beings where killed others. why dispossessed of the airlines while some why kept in concentration camps. and so you've heard the students ask, what aspect of german colonialism are you being taught in specific terms in your, in your school? so we have in the, the good impacts and that, that effects they fix the buildings that were left the people that do. but in this, in the school. all right, so you said the good and the bad impacts. so what are some of the good impacts you are to the broad floats. they wrote spices, they really, they built the help desk build buildings does more things than we learn, then we knew before. so you were actually elevated according to what you been told the good impacts include at that. what about you, what are the impacts? do you know she mentioned good and bad? well you also talked about some of the bad impacts. what would that do? they some of them number bins were killed. they took mitchell with sources from the

media. they put, let me be answering question, patient games and tortured. let me be in the me, let me be in school, david, as an it may be an n. as in, i'm even young, past and learning about your country's history. do you think it's important for you to know about these things that they've mentioned to the good and bad impacts of colonialism? yeah, it's good to know the bed and the impacts of colonialism because it's a total pass. do remember that people got full full freedom and to avoid their best mistakes. all right, it's, it's very interesting and that they've all mentioned in specific ways how they people are way kidnapped, how their parents, grandparents, why taking to concentration camps and, and that precisely would bring us back to the hero. and i might genocide of 9 to no 4 to 92, no 8. looking at the effects. now, what are some of the associate economy impacts of those a choice? it is today. land dispossession is one of the biggest ones because people lost the land. people lost their capital, remember, after the infamous extermination order,

people were driven into the, on the heck, if people went up to put swan a wealth of a poison. and then the land was there for the taking, and the land was called coin land, and it was sold then by the imperial high shed to set less and farms. and they could buy the land. some general has got the land, but the land up to today is not in the hands of the people that had it before and already during colonialism. black people were pushed with the territory of the urban land. and that's how the get to started. and in 1959, it was made little that all the black people must leave town. and there was a few and people were moved from the old location to capture, to, to have to, to that way we can, to capture tutor had to do that where we're standing now even means the place where we don't want to be coupled with them. i'm going to play the big role, and there was a huge demonstration on the 10th of december 1959. the people went into black people, went and demonstrated at the old administration and said,

we don't want people were killed, couple got him on good know is killed and others. and it ended up by people being moved from town here to the outskirts and kept her to her and cut her to ro is basically just a place where the cheap labor was willing was living. and the cheap labor would get a bus with the bus to go into town from monday to friday. you i the garden, uh, a security guard or a cleaning lady or cleaning man. you do what you need to do in town. and after 5 o'clock, go a few back to catch a tour, so that a geographic separation and is, is felt up to today. ok, the villains actually spoke about it until to the we don't have the most of the land is still a contentious issue in the may be. yes. and those are the most ones are owned by the tenants. you know, the islands by white and all that. even if i have to walk by a protein vendor, it's very expensive and, but this is so uh,

i was just our lives. we were supposed to get it for free. but still it's, it's, we end up getting uh, getting it. and if i may just ask you, i would say that the 1st impression i got a venture when i got chase, but it's so drum and the streets are close dresser blindly until these are german words. as a young person who is speaking english and perhaps you own more that don't, how do you feel about seeing things like that? i don't really think it was necessary for them to come to the media, specifically in collections because they most of the, the what the sources were like poisoned for the editors and most other people. and the most died from that in the book about vegetation also also like also had an impact on vegetation with the poison and stuff. okay, i mean, all right, let me just come to mister abraham. i want to read you understand your perspective on everything that they've said. i am have a drawing. i am the only one side, the other part of my family's job. and there's this big conflict in between. both

of us. they had real family feels that the genocide and everything is really can strip the country of its dignity and they have it written down. there are people of their lives in the future. the other side of me, which is extensively german, will use german carries with the defensive gift to a certain portion. and the biggest problem we have why have is a person is trying to get the 2 sides to meet. and i believe through the education of sitting between the germans and the arrows. maybe we can try and find a solution in a way for all right. so you're sitting on defense because you cannot bring you the 2 sides of your history to meet. i would just, i would just put a post of that and just come to the teacher here because you are teaching them can do no history looking at the complex nature often that may be in society. one would say it's also important to teach them kind of cultural history, for example, is that something that you're also focused on?

okay, we have different kinds of seeing that media. and ever since the human school are nice in that media, you know, a lot of people lost countries, the hedge to adapt to what the germans were opposing them to do, and then to leave the us in. or they. so we, i think this gets basically, this is what i, what causes used to be before the germans game and then when the germans game in the no, no, that's interesting because i also wanted to know whether you've been taught what happened to during the pre colonial ad does any of you want to keep in on that? do you know what life was like for your people before colonialism? and what changed of the colonialism? do you want to? yes, stuff like um i heard that uh before the game. i think it was just one big calling me know, borders and stuff, and then the germans game and then just describe for africa that had been no, no they cut a obligated to pieces like people move freely like they used to. oh, i would just come to you. um rosemary is best something. is there anything that you

would want to add on that what they were talking about? the scum moving petition for africa. yeah, about the example like this night shift. you're not allowed to glue the german area . i don't. i no close. yeah, this is okay. i mean may to, if i may just come to you, we've heard very interesting remarks. i'm the students have been told with the germans, but the good thing because applicants were leaving and one big bubble somehow living in peace. but when germans came, they decided to introduce that in measure is inside in way of asset and lifestyle. where do you think that this narrative stems from history needs to be taught living? you need to experience that the need to go to living museums. you need to go to museums, you need to talk to the eldest. do you need different sources to get the full picture? because somehow he has some elements missing clearly because we, it, we were aware that there were different nation states and africa. we went it with that. we are aware that in 1884 in berlin,

in the berlin campbell conference, africa, or, or the interest of the europeans in africa was divided. and this is how the board is came about. was this cumberland partition for africa just to be precisely exactly, but what it is, it wasn't or just idealistic before they, where was there was conflict. there was and the most theft that there was slavery, african kings and queen domes, they sold slaves. they sold the slaves from the neighboring a nation, so grouping, so from the enemy. so there was positive and negative even before colonialism. i'll put a pause to that because there are 2 institutions or businesses in the maybe at that have links to the colonial to past this. take a look at how that happened and the right back. germany's colonialism in africa can not be told that, that the government from any one of the most influential german trading dynasty. this building here and homework was even its headquarters, superman,

a shipping and trading phone from handbook treated along the west african coast. but even sitting into while i am in room, in 1868, no one called woman son of took over the family business, didn't and vicious idea for trading and advocates to beep africa was a great market to sell german products like alcohol and a source for tv, but to produce valuable raw materials for job effect to east. as a logistics company found out was an enabler of genocide and what now and then nivia as they were the most important company who organized the 2 transports from the german empire to german southwest africa. and that time, valmont, it relies heavily on 1st labor and that even played out. and the genocide were bumming around up and know and own concentration can for example, in spark of one and for the hard labor of unloading ships on the beaches of soccer phone. the women company eventually lost influence in africa after world war

one. but the segments of the german come to be remain active in africa, although the company has not fully apologized. the damage brought by the greed and violence of the government company. it still costs communities in cumberland. and that might be a to the state. if i may just ask the students anyone can answer. so when you look at yourself as in the me being who learned about your history. and of course you've heard everything that they've said and what you've also said that the germans did not also do quite very nice things. how does the shape the way you see germany when you hear the word germany? but i think of germany, i like think of those uh, the people that colonized as in a way in to go to uh, resources and well, maybe even to the incest is interesting. what about you, what, what, everything that you've learned to right now? how does it shape the way you see your country and the media? and i see that in a good way. it totally oh and that bad boy. because many of the heteros and numbers

that were killed by the german and we lost our land in our sauces. and now a day, most of stuff it and now maybe you know, and let me raise like, not people of pancoast. and someone said, yeah, you, you are saying something and what, what exactly i do when i hear the word germany just takes me back to the olden days where my grandparents and on sisters saw for big den like and the laws of land that we have lost our dogs, like we are really not the beloved because of dead because of the mineral resources that they took from eyes. like if we had all mineral resources, we could like, oh no, maybe we could be a developed country, it wouldn't be leaving, like the way we are leaving today. interesting. and what about you rose? me, are you, do you find yourself forgiving what germany did, for example, sometimes is because the bill size of those and the bill for us house is for that

this time the houses i what you see dollars is expensive and they're supposed to be hours and they supposed to be your house and yeah, now that the role of women, of course, like i said, which of would be new. i buy this history is of men. but we also do know that women went very much affected by colonialism and, and the oppression what it had on their lives. talk to a little bit more about that. mm hm. after the agendas side, most of the people that parish that were killed, that left the country, it left open land and it left mainly women and children. so the women became the workers. the women were pulling the ropes from the ships for the roman line. the women way had to clean the scouts of the families. members, the women with the ones that had to pleasure at the soldiers or that had to please the soldiers so that we were raped. the women were the ones that had to then

preserve the culture. and bring everybody around the fire and remember everybody how strong we actually are. so now moving forward, what exactly do you think it would take for now? me bins to move ahead of everything that has happened in the past. we can get buses, but we can never forget about what the germans do to us do. and if we go to our family like i couldn't finish those 2 feet up because that history really hurt them just like refill it by looking like how they used. and so it is still hurting. you wanted to say something. yeah. like um, the only way i think like to, to forget about this whole thing here is like, um i also heard the story about a golf of our people that they to like to jim in like if they return those calls, i think that there will be peace between the median and germans. i think don't forget about all these and they'll just be it these like don't have to bury the

people in the country. okay. and did, did we just make peace with the germans? by the way, they are about 400 know, maybe an assets house at the german, economical museum in berlin. and some of them have never been the beat. and before talking about she mention to money and she mentioned about the bringing back, you know, disclose what exactly is that message sending here? finding closure, finding close, it's very important to find closer to john declaration can play a huge part, working with the museums, work and culturally together working together, getting information. what's the word close your take? because right now as of 2021, of course we know it had to take germany over a century before they could acknowledge that. what happened to the a nama and the hero people. it was in fact to genocide. this is the period of the 190421908, but not of 2021. germany has committed to funding that may be about 1100000000 euros in development aid for the next 30 years. would that be

a starting point to researching a common humanity here? we need to stop somewhat and there's lots of different points now where we're starting to. yeah, but it's one of many, it's, it's, it's money. it's not the only solution. so you said it needs to start somewhere and then i think that's right. interesting because this fragmented history of this fragment, it may be in history. how did this sort of define the need for a unified and it may be a today, is that a conversation that nobody been? some selves are ready to have them? is virginia. yeah, they are due to heavy testing because we really need to move on. we cannot be stuck on one thing and we need to move forward. it's been a very long change and yeah, i would just come to you. what exactly do you think it would take for you as a young person to get past everything that has happened to your country in the future? more diversity. i think most people don't know joe means good. get to know them and get their perspective. you'll be better, more students, learners, teachers, etc. anything would really help interesting. and they to always just come back to

you. how can germany know me via then reconciled the shad colonial history. it's very important to know of each other and to know about our past. and we want to move on because we don't just want to be stuck in a victim mode. we don't want to talk forever or pool as poor this poor that know we have agency. we know what happened, but we want to work together. in fact, germany and now maybe a has been working very well together. the past even 40 years so longer. and they did, they've been most of the tourist from europe that coming here at germans. most of the students that are coming here doing internships at germans. but when i hear everything that they've said again, that can really sense very strong emotions. coming out of these sentiments, but when do you see germany? they are thinking about people who took their lines. people who did explains that. so what, how can that perception be changed? what would it take right now?

do we want to overcome the trauma? we want to get out of victim out what you heard to you today is what happened in history. the reality of it and like the students say that they have good and bad sides. so the good side is we all want to move on. and we want to give a youth opportunities for studying opportunities for work opportunities to get to know different cultures. in the end, we want to overcome the trauma him. mr. abraham, i'm what role can young people with play? and also keeping the memories of the past. i live and just generally, medians themselves in memorialize in the past. figuring out what you believe is right and wrong with what has happened and what can be corrected me. then i need you to take it forward and try and develop. and like night says we need to get out of the victim vote here, right, so, well, i think this has been a very interesting debate. you've heard from all of what they have to say. it's about healing. it's about forgiving. it's about empathy,

and i do not know if i have the answer to this right now, but i do know that number bins have a lot to say and they should indeed, but listen to. this was all we had time, so i am fatherly coming those. you know, maybe i think it's so much for watching the

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