of chemical relations is still on the agenda, but it seems to me that our armed forces are the pendulum, you know, in favor of ukraine . nato wants the defense ministers of ukraine and not only ukraine nato, that is, now every day is important to the position that putin can only do it so much and further there can be no contacts with him, that's why , ah, on the country well, you and i see simply even news how it changes and really very high a factor in this is the ally of the united states of america , because it was they who proposed and initiated this meeting and already very seriously understand that

russia's strategy is only to defeat russia, so our armed forces are fighting, but believe me, well, somewhere maybe 2-3 weeks ago countries have seen the strategy for the russian federation, it is still there, even in some countries. you know, you can wait a little there and the embargo on gas can wait a little offshore for oil, or well. let's say so, i have doubts, i think and return yes, i agree, but we understand how not everything is simple. sometimes it happens in world diplomacy not because they do not understand something, but because certain reactions prevail in their decisions. yes, we remember very well, and you just reminded us of this during our conversation and about the teherans about the pozdami before that, about yalta, yes, joseph stalin had

many times more blood on him than putin. and we understand how many war crimes and acts of aggression were committed against states, in particular here and finland and poland and so on, not to mention the colossal crimes against of the ukrainian people when it comes to the holodomor but met i would just like us to be aware that world diplomacy sometimes throws up rather not too pleasant surprises, but there is also an optimistic moment, in particular tom cooper, a military analyst whom we all love and respect, sums up a kind of semi-dry summary, the most important thing is - he says that the ukrainian railway is again working at full speed, the most important thing is that the american systems of volley fire and m-77 howitzers are already in ukraine and that the ukrainians are already mastering the german armored howitzers germany itself will provide, then italy will provide. therefore,

i would like to ask you to share some element of your optimism regarding lend-lease. literally in three hours in the united states , that story will be finalized, that is, at nine o'clock kyiv time, what should we expect from lend-lease, which in principle it hasn't happened since the second world war, pniv, and here you are absolutely right, this kind of land-lease hasn't happened since the second world war. we remember that the landlist helped the soviet union as well, including to the european allies a-ah very much essential in overcoming victory in the second world war, and here it is important that this letter gives us, well , it is like a store in which you a-a take what you need and in the amount

you need and pay a-a or you return the equipment after that, or if it is destroyed, you don’t pay for it, or you pay if you keep it after the end of the war, that’s what lend-lease is about in principle, because now well, i can’t say what, unfortunately, but now we get not all of them all and the weapons that have first of all first of all for the united states and which we need it for today, it cost us a month or even, well, a month and a half of negotiations regarding mandatory armaments, and it is only now starting to appear. and here is one forest, they are just that, it provides more and wider opportunities, and i hope that the nearest sometimes we will take advantage of these opportunities, ms. maria, what do you see as the prospects of a full-fledged lend-lease, because we understand that, in principle, everything is always

hidden in the details, ms. maria, you hear us, we are in touch now, ms. valeriu, there will be such a great voyentorg in which the country will be able to take under certain conditions and under certain circumstances everything necessary in order to defend yourself. is everything mountains and this question? i would like to ask you what will be available to us if we speak in very general terms. why can you go to the perspective after all about the decision which relate to the reinforcement of our aviation and air defense systems in particular. can we say that we are now at the start of this large-scale lend-lease campaign for us? well, of course, we are at the start because it is only being implemented

this damn forest but again we must to understand that together with these weapons, there must be training for our uh, for our military, because it is easy to take and sit down as an operator behind the reporting missile complex uh, patriot package, uh, it doesn't matter, this requires according to various data there from three to six months of training and i think that by the way patriot is unlikely to be given to us, but the same applies to airplanes by the way, yes, we are talking about the fact that we are ready to send our pilots to train on f-15 f16 we are not talking about the f-35, but also this technique enough a-a in the warehouses of the united states or aa the 10th is an attack aircraft and by the way, we are there in the first days

of the war eh i personally spoke with some senators who offered us themselves but you see such a long way so far we still eh we do not have such aircraft proposed, that is, it is necessary to understand that this is all connected with the training of our military, which can take place from one to three days, relatively speaking, if it is some kind of howitzer more or less similar to our or more complex systems -e planes and so on and this it may take a few, but it’s just that khrystyna and i heard an extremely productive proposal about an hour or an hour and a half ago during our informational analytical marathon, so we can eventually, according to ukrainian legislation, attract aviators from advanced western european countries or from the united states. that is, we understand that as of are not

military personnel, but have relevant experience, the experience of ms. maria, well, look, i would firstly divide it into e benefits 40 prospects now and long-term but english is still uh, long-term uh, although we do everything so that, you know, our allies help us so that we win and not continue this war. and as for the specific types of weapons. hmm i wouldn't, no, we'd talk about everything there, even on the air, yes, because let's not forget that we still have an information war, and when it's already here, we'll say that's how it will be in our armed forces. logistics and delivery issues. you yourself know how dangerous it is and, unfortunately, this was also shown by missile strikes on our railway. and as for

airplanes, i agree that in fact some types of modern weapons already meet nato standards. believe me, our armed forces can master them. well, not at the right time where it says two or three months, uh, and there is something else they can do much faster, that is, what concerns airplanes. yes, this is a more complicated story, but uh, here it is worth working not only with the united states, but directly systematically working with the same by the poles, i think that again, these negotiations will be, well, not as problematic as, for example, they were there maybe a month or a half ago, and that's why i'm in favor of continuing, you know, the water grinds the stone, and continue to work systematically as far as the united states is concerned 5 in may, there will also be a hearing in the committee on ukraine, it is planned that there will be not only representatives of ukraine, but also of other countries, and i want to tell you

, in fact, there are a lot of weapons delivery mechanisms, for example, estonia. yes, it has already given more what could she do, but they can be such a hub and through them, those countries that do not want to transmit there directly, and they can transmit there or through them, that is, political will in our country, at the moment we see a crisis of political will in some countries not only nato, but the european union. as for the planes, too, you know the question right now that nato directly does not want to enter this war, because they will be nice to the russians, as if they will think that this is already a known war , again these are absolute scarecrows from putin a bluff here requires a strong political will, and as far as long-term toland visas are concerned, it is absolutely possible, and they have already started talking about it at various levels with the countries of the european

union, nato, er, at the end of my resume. next what if we talk to you about any what are the guarantees , the best guarantees for ukraine's security are nato, and that's why we also now really need to work systematically so that special attention is paid to our country at the nato summit in madrid. information war and speaking about our internal beautiful ukrainian policy, dear mps, i cannot but mention the shocking story that stirred up i do not know our tv viewers, it is about the voluntary decisions of the representative of the state concern who took and pulled out the cables three ukrainian tv channels disappeared from the t2 network i.e. this story is raised at the parliamentary level , our partners from western europe are calling us there,

but still it is not possible to somehow bring them to a path or attract them to some certain moral the responsibility of even the director of this state-owned concern. therefore, i would like to ask you very literally briefly what advancements are currently possible in the corridors of power of mrs. maria pigorek before the corridor of power, that is, mr. yegorov. i am very brief because we are also asked questions by members of the european parliament in the united states they asked ambiguously and said, well, that's what makes you different from the russian federation. that for you , freedom of speech is a value, and that you will not confuse it with wartime political censorship. look, we are here for sure. i think that it is very important that the authorities made conclusions and bore not only moral responsibility, but they are still the person who made this decision in the general structures that you are talking about and the legal consequences

because if a-and if the ukrainians ukraine will show that our democratic principles of values ​​are collapsing, so unfortunately the world will not help us so sincerely, understanding that we have, well, let's say, there are notes of censorship and dictatorship in our country, so i think it's just some kind of stupidity. well, honestly that is, if they found someone there to censor, but we are a normal, honest, open tv channel. in other words , we do not invent anything, we do not pull an owl on the globe, i will not shake the internal political situation for him in the end, and here it is, it is a pity, it is a pity, sir, what is going on with this, i do not know what this is happening . to be honest, i am not responsible for the information policy and it is difficult for me to comment there, er, this is exactly the process. i have absolutely nothing against your channel, you know that i am always on when you

er, you are inviting me here regarding the information policy in our country, maybe we don’t have a relationship there, but they are not quite tangential, but i know that you are very closely watching how the information is highlighted now, er, the situation in ukraine, in many other countries, in particular, emphasized that it is necessary to start somehow work with the chinese mass media, because they say that they are already starting to at least try to really understand what is happening in ukraine or is everything really as the russian federation relays to us, and do you have any news from on this particular front, we understand that china's argument when it comes to the russian-ukrainian war can be just as decisive as yesterday's meeting at rammstein, for example, mr. igor, well, in the case of the tank, you know, china is

quite complicated er, the partner is quite difficult with er , in itself, a country that looks for its own interest in everything. maybe it’s not bad, actually. they try to balance between russia, ukraine , the western world, and so on. did not ask our speakers and now it is not, as far as i know, it happens quite er not often a-but i had two requests there and two requests were in the record and i understand what needs to be said. not like that , but they start, well, from time to time they try to give to both sides because, by the way, i will say that russian representatives, representatives of russian are also there and are cleaner than the ukrainian authorities, and therefore we understand how

there can be information to be submitted or submitted uh, i'm uh, i read it periodically, uh, let's say the context of how information is presented in the chinese media, well, there is a positive dynamic if the first days of the war were ah, in general, only exclusively a special operation of the russian federation. well, as presented by the russian federation now i understand that seeing how toxic russia is becoming, let me remind you that all uh tv channels, all media in china , they are state-owned, they are starting to change their rhetoric , they are already talking about war, they are already talking about it, both sides of uh, this war are providing platforms somewhere, well, that is, they are trying keep balance but at the same time, they absolutely do not want to talk about internal politics and sanctions, which they consider unnecessary and harmful, but how

do they talk about the fact that this affects the entire russian people, and it is wrong if someone makes false those who make such decisions are not talking about sanctions, they are not talking about military aid to ukraine, and only what are you talking about, what are they talking about, that they are giving us some humanitarian aid, humanitarian aid of some kind internet e.e. while i understand they help more economically, and in the near future it will be about redirecting russian gas capacities specifically to asia. i think china may be interested in this too. well, of course, it is interested in buying the same gas cheaper or for cars in the russian federation of the russian federation, which is actually now getting rid of sales markets in the west, it will reorient itself to china and asia, but at the same

time we must understand that it is not only china, there are quite a few countries that are under the influence of china there are also quite large countries, and there is india and pakistan, they also do not have a clear position regarding the war in ukraine. well , in any case. regularly says the secretary of state of the united states anthony blinkin thank you very much , sir, there are mountains, yes, and just in case, i will remind you of our request if you see someone responsible for the disconnection of three tv channels from the t2 network, voice it - voice it, be kind accordingly our position espresso tv channel fifth tv channel live should work for patriotic ukrainians in ukraine for all ukrainians who are now patriotic i hope i just hope that now there are no

unpatriotic ukrainians left and we all really stand for one thing maria ionova, a people's deputy of ukraine, and yehor june, also a people's deputy, were in touch with us, yes, the psychotherapist, the management of the inersofing center, glory to ukraine, mrs. elena, we are glad that you are working now live on the espresso tv channel, i would like to discuss a very small story with you. to be honest, for several years now i have been watching how even the people in my environment are gradually getting out of their comfort zone. as they say in your circles, they start talking about their inner world with specialists but at the same time, the editors and i drew attention to your shot on april 12, where you turn with a recommendation to all people who use the services of psychotherapists now if you have a therapist from the russian federation or a supervisor or

even a teacher, be careful because this can be a professional and strong person, but unfortunately her knowledge can now be at the service of the enemy. it is addressed how not to fall into a trap. thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on this topic. it is really very delicate because it can be played by those who know how to play on this topic by accusing the ukrainians of the fact that they have some kind of incorrect psychotherapeutic position and, er, they divide therapists by nationality, but this is not the case at all. my post was about a completely different risk, and i also wanted you to be bullied, and it is not very obvious because he is a psychologist instead of a psychotherapist from russia. he can talk about what he is against the

war, but what hidden messages he conveys in his practice to clients and even abroad to our immigrants. they will be very destructive for the human psyche, for example, he says that the people or who is actually responsible for this aggression does not matter, he can speak well, there are many different messages that everything is not so clear, you know that this narrative sounds er in the russian media and but he can help with trauma, he can be very strong special, i am more inclined to the fact that it is not conscious that this is how their psyche copes with the desire to protect their identity, but they will destroy your identity, and unfortunately , this is happening because there are more russian-speaking psychologists from russia abroad, where there are our immigrants who really experienced trauma. when they do this therapy, in parallel with

the help, you know, as if underwater, they give these messages that do not allow a person to stand on his feet, for example, they can deny the anger that we have now towards the russians. and this anger is very adaptive and useful because it helps to protect our boundaries and see where it is theirs and where it is not theirs, they can, for example, neutralize this anger, well, that is, call it sick and wrong, say that there is something wrong with you , in fact, it is gaslighting, unconscious, alequate, that there is something wrong with you, but in fact, this anger is very a healthy reaction and many other reactions that ukrainians now have, they are very healthy and uh, that's why i see a great danger in this and unfortunately, she uh, she is, that is, i see my former colleagues, whom i now do not consider colleagues who impose help the russians, and this is how they try to

be neutral. and this word now causes a lot of negativity in our circles of ukrainian psychologists, because now it is impossible to be neutral, and they say that they still want you to arm yourself with a surgical knife and pop open the blister. of russian propaganda, we understand that psychologists are not the only ones who live the cream of the crop, we understand how powerful a factory of lies they have created, yes , and 150 million people. well, there may be less, maybe there are 130 , maybe not everyone believes in it, but they influence. so, do we have any normal, i don’t know, tools antidotes against poison, how to deal with it, antidotes well, i fully believe in therapy, that we need it now, that is, i am definitely among therapists who come from therapy in russia, who can help, but i would say that in most cases it is

unfortunately, it is risky, as if to say to ukrainian women who need help now and just turn to ukrainians, because we have a bigger test of reality for this, we do not have this distortion that they have there because of these years of propaganda, but to trust their feelings and trust their emotions that we are currently experiencing and share them in the nearest field because trauma and all these things that happen to people, they happen alone, we must now experience it all together and this is against poison for us against p- against those things that can destroy us once such i wanted to note that many specialists emphasize that your personal inner world and taking care of it is the most important thing, that is, everything around you will definitely adjust to your inner well- being, in particular, and now i also observe a trend that this thesis is used in order

to single out an individual person even more from this society, so our united now totally united ukrainian people society would once again spit out this story somewhere and pay attention to personally important exclusively for each person, the action movie, everyone did good for himself, our society was healthier. you have seen the same observation thesis. i finally understood your this uh this manipulation that you hear well just know we now live in a paradigm in order to survive as a whole as a nation i am part of something bigger whole very often psycho- psychotherapists people turn to for

help is just being turned a little in the other direction yes, no, no, you are only a small particle, that does not mean that nothing depends on you, take care only of yourself, of course, yes, i am absolutely a part of russian propaganda, that is, they, er, well, these are my quick thoughts, not how psychotherapists as ukrainian women, that for many years they had no influence on their authorities and they did not develop a learned helplessness. and we ukrainians have a completely different story, we know how to fight. and this is what a russian therapist, unfortunately, can convey to a ukrainian to the client that you have no influence on anything, you are a little one and this is an absolutely unhealthy message, it is not psychologically healthy. who had it all before, we have it both psychologically and socially, and right now we ukrainians have a huge chance to connect these pains that our ancestors had with our

suffering with our psychotherapy; in fact, this is not a disconnection, our pain is very connected with our history and here i have many good examples where ukrainian therapists are able to implement and connect where our pain is personal, my little yes, but it is in the context of a large country, and then there is a great chance that we will not have traumatization , on the contrary, we will become stronger because what i now see that ukrainians are getting stronger because we support each other and we pack our bags, we feel correctly and unfortunately the law cannot do this in russian . to manipulate the russians, so to speak, these are the technologists, what do they want to convince us of, ah, they want to unequivocally disconnect us from, again, i don't know if it's deliberate, so i won't say what i don't know, but they said in their lives classics, what a difference, but the main thing is that

we just know what they want, so to speak, to blur a clear understanding of who attacked, who is the enemy, and any message that it should be neutral. i do not recommend contacting this specialist. - it's about that that we are all traumatized, all of me are adequate with us now, the processes that are normal, again, the beacon is not true, we are now very clear in the context of vkontakte with reality, therefore, everywhere you hear that you are somehow blamed for your feelings or another beacon that you are racist now russophobes, well , there is no need to explain for a long time. that is, it is clear. it already says that what they are saying to you , well, they manipulate your feelings and other things consciously. unconsciously, i agree, it does not matter. it is better not to get involved in this story. to find a person with whom you feel safe and who

confirms your feelings. and they are right now, and i want to note that now in ukraine people, especially those who have visited the occupied territories, are experiencing the consequences of stockholm syndrome, how normal is this situation, how to deal with this very briefly, please so here i think that it is necessary as now if in one minute and very briefly then my answer will be to give a warm welcome and surround with the support of loved ones and for a long time the answer now, unfortunately, it will not be quick such an answer because support and help to get out of this is to have contact to have contact with people and to talk with people i think i will say everything well, first of all well, let's hope that next time we will continue our psychotherapeutic analysis of this hybrid and specific war of russia against ukraine olena diveeva psychotherapist the head of the innersharfin center

worked for you dear tv viewers of the espresso channel, as well as the casual khrestina yatskiv , borkovsky worked for me, a large array of topics we have discussed with you today we grinded together with ours, i will not grind, but we are going to rest now, and instead of us, our colleagues from radio svoboda are entering through the press with their projects. i ask for your attention there, too, because there is a really high-quality media product. be healthy, greetings, this is freedom of life, my name is serhiy stetsenko, about on the 63rd day of russia's large-scale invasion of ukraine, we continue to speak on the pages of radio svoboda on facebook and youtube, as well as on the air of the espresso tv channel. this is the second dniester estuary in odesa