and therefore all the countries of the world, and where is the inertia, there are a lot of them, especially five countries that violate all the rules of our legal system, russia, first of all, thank you svyatoslav yuresh, the people's deputy of ukraine was in touch with us e p olezh and i, in the meantime, we will continue communication with oleg blue in the studio, i remember yesterday's literal address hmm , the defenders of mariupol, the azov residents who are there, they remember 1940, when the world actually put pressure on hitler and forced him during the events in dunkirk during the second world war free the blocked parts of the british expeditionary forces, french units and connections and the remnants of the belgian troops, hitler finally, under the pressure of the world, ordered to stop the tanks that could

simply crush these people and allowed them to be unblocked and save 330-8 thousand french and british soldiers were evacuated from the beach and harbor of the city of dunkirk in france, and this is what the defenders of mariupol say, well, it is not 1940, it is the 21st century, 2022. you can somehow extract us, apply the extraction operation, call it dynamo as it was called in the 20th century, it was somehow different, but do something, what should the world do today, in your opinion? well, this is another confirmation that putin is worse than hitler. this is another confirmation that racism is no different from fascism . and this is another confirmation that ukraine and the world should be united today. i am convinced that the ukrainian authorities should propose an operation

, they should offer the world a formula on how to put pressure on putin in such a way as to get the actual motor to mariupol and in order to save those fighters who are holding the defense of mariupol together with the military wounded together with the civilian residents. i am convinced that the ukrainian authorities will find such a way and will be able to offer the evacuation plan, the rescue plan that kremin will not be able to refuse . unlimited supplies of e-e weapons from the united states were voted yesterday in america, we are adding to our conversation the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states, valery chalova, 2016-2019, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, i congratulate valeria. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. i know that you have been listening to us for the past few minutes, and

still cannot help but give you a word on the topic , where are the blockades of mariupol? of global stability and security to prove its effectiveness in rescuing the civilian population from mariupol, wounded military personnel, women with children who remain blocked there , what is your opinion, what should be done well, i i am sure that the current government has already made the proposals that could be made. the fact is that putin simply wants to destroy those who remained there. he has a statistical desire to do this, so the only way to prevent such situations in the future and to react now is to provide maximum support for ukraine. weapons in order to prevent

the occupation of any additional part of the territory to liberate ukrainian territories in relation to international efforts i believe that the secretary general of the united nations pjsc is preparing to put his name on the code and i think my position is therefore he promised to do it after moscow, there was a message that the work has begun, we are waiting for the result, they said that it will be today. i really hope that it will be successful . america was the first in history to be adopted in the fight against hitler's germany during the second world war, then it became a decisive step in the fight against the nazis , valerii, what was adopted yesterday for ukraine how will it help us to overcome the aggressor country, when this draft law was introduced in january, of course, they did not

expect that they would be fast economic, but when it became clear that there was a break in flames and uh, the united states not only has the congress, but it has not only the pentagon or intelligence but and the white house believed in the fact that we are ukraine, the ukrainian army is heroic in stopping this russian onslaught, and it can win, of course, now it gives an additional signal with such parallels to the second world war . that is, everyone obviously understands that the land list is about victory, and the second is still coming, on the one hand , all procedures will be reduced in time and over-critical, on the other hand, we will get an opportunity for those weapons that were not even talked about before, heavy weapons

, that is, just so you understand what i see as the main thing is not even the fact that there are tapes for rent and loan and that it is not immediately necessary to pay for these receipts of these weapons and the most important thing is that actually any weapons against weapons of mass destruction are being expanded and there are the most expensive systems can be sent to ukraine well, the speed of delivery without e-e passing additional checks of expert control and others that is, this is what is needed now along with these 33 billion dollars, of which somewhere more than 20 per e-e is precisely from weapons equipment what still needs to be adopted process that is, this package will of course give a completely different impulse and at least balance our position with russia, which will in the future provide additional opportunities. what do you expect

? oleg sinyutka also remains in our studio. mr. leja, what are your uh, what is your view on uh, how will this war change with the adoption of the law on the langlist for ukraine, and yet, you know, against the background of this, for example, uh, today's speech of the un secretary general is recasting stoltonberg , secretary general of nato, about the fact that the war in ukraine, despite everything, can still last not only for months, but also for years, what can it be? it can be a very long story , what are your feelings? victory hmm first of all we must give themselves an account that ukraine was attacked by one of the strongest states in the world and one of the

strongest armies in the world, and we understand that the resource of the muscovites is still very, very large. you see that now they are introducing additional battalions into donbas, tactical groups, they are introducing additional hundreds of units into donbas techniques - this is despite the fact that they have not yet used open mobilization where their human resource is practically unlimited and they will not value this resource as civilized countries do, that is why in ukraine it was necessary to find an alternative, to find an opportunity to persevere in this struggle, and when, a month ago, the leader of european solidarity, petro poroshenko, suggested that we should use the world experience of the second world war, the law about alandization - it seemed like such a virtual proposal at the time. i am sure that not everyone believed it. diplomacy, the efforts of the ukrainian

military, and i 100% agree with mr. valery that it is the armed forces of ukraine that survived the first stage of the war and that today are trying to oh with the brains with their strength and advantage in technology and in human resources this gave the opportunity to the congress of the united states of america to make a decision on the order of the bundestag of the federal republic of germany to make a decision on the provision of heavy weapons and it seems to me that the key decision that took place in which was voiced in rammstein during the meeting with the 43 defense ministers of nato countries and those countries that were present, it is about the fact that ukraine receives significant support, and then there is biden's proposal of 33 billion dollars, of which 20 billion for weapons. that is, we see the western world's system of resistance to racists and help to

ukraine. therefore, i am convinced that these efforts will give us the opportunity to stop the offensive of the troops . will these efforts be enough for the ukrainian army to go into a counteroffensive? it will be difficult, it will not be easy. but i believe that the month of may will be enough. turning point in the ukrainian-russian confrontation. i am convinced that we will not allow the occupation of the part of donbass and luhansk region that is currently under the control of ukrainian troops, and these plasmas will we have an opportunity for an offensive. i am convinced that today's situation in the zaporizhzhia region on the border of the mykolaiv kherson region gives us good opportunities to use these weapons that will arrive. well, i am convinced that this is not yet the last word of the nato countries in this confrontation, where

the civilized one holds the same position with ukraine the world against the muscovites p. valery today became aware that the embassy of the netherlands in kyiv is resuming its work, ukraine's own department reported this on twitter and we know that there are already more than 20 depositions returned to the capital, world diplomacy is returning to kyiv, hmm, today we are discussing a missile attack on kyiv, which actually took the life of the producer of radio svoboda and journalist espresso of her time, an analyst of faith, our colleague hyrych, the eternal memory of this missile attack was carried out 260 m from the british embassy, ​​which changes yesterday and actually will this continue, is this the return of world diplomacy to kyiv, and can

this point chosen by the russian missile be connected and also be a signal for the british who are currently helping ukraine extremely much, including weapons. first of all , i join in the sympathy of one, in principle, this is a war . now we are losing familiar friends. i think that there are almost no people left in ukraine who do not have relatives or acquaintances who are fighting now and, unfortunately, are losing their lives on various fronts, including. and for information, i wanted to tell you that the situation in kyiv is obviously different than it was before, and the threat of such a direct ground invasion is clear. by efforts, but it was done, the strikes have already been done in kyiv

, they are somehow used to it, that is, at least they know how to act, i would urge for those, after all, the seriousness of the signals for three years and the storage during this period to go down, and already everyone knows when, how, how to orient themselves to respond to the working situation in relation to diplomacy. i follow or rather i draw attention to the actions of five embassies about which countries have their own development system and i will leave information, including the radio technical and orienteering do you remember these countries were the first to leave kyiv this uh, it's a matter of reading conjugation therefore, if these returning embassies mean such a

direct threat on land or some such emergency situations, as if diplomats should be ready for missile strikes in war conditions, then it is obvious that our diplomats have been working since the time of reacting to various conflicts in the world on the spot it's a better cancer. diplomats are also doing this, but it's about ensuring the maximum security, and on the other hand, such personnel who really have to work at this time. i believe that all military personnel and it is accepted that various structures that are in war conditions or something will change and putin will not be able to intimidate in this way, and the signals that were, unfortunately,

a civilian victim, but the signal was very clear from the secretary general, that is, i think that he read it absolutely correctly and his actions now will still be more it's more likely he is who's not there thank you valery chaloy valery chaly former ambassador of ukraine to the usa 2016-2019 chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center was with us on skype we have to continue the conversation in the studio oleg synyutka is our guest this hour well and you know, oleg, to me, there is a certain consonance here between the location of this missile attack and this, hmm, this altercation between the ministry of defense of russia and the british government in response to the fact that britain first noted that they do not see any problems that british

british weapons will be used to impress targets on the territory of russia because ukraine is exercising its right to self-defense and has the right to strike at the russian federation, the minister of the armed forces of great britain said about this a few days ago and immediately after this attack on the capital right next to the british embassy, ​​we know that the russians did not like it and they actually talked about a proportional response to the british, what else, and we hope that the british, in turn, will not be slow to respond , and above all, it will be a response in in the form of support for a powerful ukraine, support with weapons and support on all fronts, and in the meantime, i wanted to talk about one more aspect, about the recent statements of the

head of russia's foreign intelligence service on ryshkin , military journalist andrii draws attention to them tseplienko, i don’t know if you have read these toxic statements, in the end we will not deliberately receive information from toxic odessa russian sources, but it still makes sense to pay attention to this kremlin delusion, first of all, because it is such well, if certain announcements have already been made, we know that russia is announcing its own actions, yes, and in such and such statements, one can actually read a certain, certain, certain direction of the kremlin 's thoughts. washington and warsaw are working out plans to establish tight military-political control of poland over its historical possessions

in ukraine and that the polish administration is counting on consolidation in the west of ukraine with a high degree of probability - this, according to naryshkin, will lead to the split of the country, and our journalists say that it can to be such a pretext for a large-scale attack by the russians in the western region of ukraine, and after that the traitor ilya kiva, hm , ex-deputy of the opzzh, who is currently a fugitive russia is being talked about and calls on russian propaganda tv channels to strike lviv with weapons of mass effect. how should we perceive this new rhetoric of the russians? tactical nuclear strikes. it is not the first time we have heard such information from them, but now they are talking about the west, after all. what to expect, how to fight back against ukraine and the world. i don't know why this military journalist is spreading these kremlin narratives, because their goal is clear. it is to intimidate ukrainians. their goal is clear. it is to drive a

wedge of mistrust between ukrainians and our westerners. partners. moreover, today both warsaw and washington stand 100% in favor of ukrainian positions. therefore, we should give simple answers to such questions. are putin and all these other monsters blackmailers? but do they 100% understand that everything went far not as planned in the kremlin, of course are they trying to correct the situation for their own benefit and change in the theater of military operations ? of course, for this they need to sow a panic of mistrust and confrontation in ukrainian society and with our western partners. therefore, this is a provocation one hundred percent water and replicate these provocations . it seems to me that mr. otsyplienko is definitely not good or have plans to brainstorm strikes on ukraine. yes, they

not only have plans, they have been doing it successfully and unsuccessfully, thank god, for 65 days already, their aggression began on february 24 with missile strikes on the territory of ukraine, including the territory of the lviv region, that is, they wanted to destroy the military potential of ukraine with their first missile strikes. they wanted to sow panic in ukrainian society. they wanted to ukrainian society to sow conflict, what they got, they got unity and opposition to the occupiers and moscow aggression, that's why all the narratives that are coming out of the kremlin today should be considered only from one angle or an element of information warfare, for example, the best example was the prime minister of great britain, boris johnson, who noted that if the russian the federation will use weapons of mass destruction against ukraine against ukraine, then britain will launch a nuclear strike in

response, even without prior consultation, such an attack on the russians and russia will follow their ship political scientist mykhailo basarab absolutely joins our conversation, mr. mykhailo, can you hear us? if you want to add something, i know that you have been on the phone for several minutes regarding the plans of the kremlin and this nuclear blackmail. how should the world react to it today? i ask that education responds absolutely adequately, and here is the statement of great britain you mentioned, in particular, regarding the task of striking lviv or other large ukrainian cities, unfortunately, everything is possible. but is this news? no, it is not news and it seems to me that this hardly became any kind of sensation for us, so why did they focus now

on lviv because, first of all, the russians have certain psychological traumas associated with western ukraine , which have already been there for many decades , maybe even centuries ago well, for them, the city of lviv is of special importance, and in addition, lviv and western ukraine have become a refuge for many ukrainian refugees. well, it is also a big hub or such a hub through which important aid comes to ukraine, so the russians will definitely threaten will they implement these threats, er, well, we ca n't say for sure, but the country is at war, and of course we must be ready to fight back, no matter where, but this is one thing, but the second thing i would like to say is , you know, in order for ukrainians to be in as little danger as possible for so that we lose as few military and civilians as possible, and we need to expand a little the

scale of thinking about countering the russians. and you know, there is such a good military saying that it is not worth waging a war on our territory, we need to think about how to act against russia on its territory, and this does not necessarily mean the task of some missile strikes or sabotage to destroy the military infrastructure inside russia, there are a lot of internal problems, and they are well known, and i really hope that our law enforcement agencies are already working on the development of special operations to identify these weak points inside russia, in particular i will say about the enslaved peoples who are subjected to genocide, persecution and terror, they are all our allies and they all expect our support, and such support does not necessarily have to entail

there are great efforts on our part or great material resources, we just need to properly program these processes and help in whatever way we can, and believe me, a lot of things will happen without us. of the occupiers, what is happening right now, and what needs our response, namely the marauding export of grain from the kherson region, as well as the blocking of shipments from ukrainian ports, the mining of shipping lanes, which threatens not only the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine draws attention to this and strongly condemns the criminal actions of russia related to the so-called expropriation of crops from farmers in the kherson region. grain from

kherson oblast today, there was such a video in the morning, if possible, here we see how this grain is being transported by trucks, our editors, what can we say about it? well, the best thing is that it was formulated here in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, they say what the solution is legislative assemblies of the krasnoyarsk region of russia is nothing more than a continuation of the criminal policy of the soviet government, which at one time was responsible for the famine of 32-33 years and the mass artificial famine of the 20s and 40s. to stop the aggressor from such actions, well, first of all, we must once again thank the residents of the occupied territories of ukraine for their position, the occupiers would have provoked their fake referendums long ago if it were not for the position of the residents of the kherson region residents of other cities, and today this ukrainian

spirit, which is present in melitopol, berdyansk, kherson, in many occupied territories, does not give the russians the opportunity to realize their plans of creating fake republics or directly joining muscovy for a second time. of course, today we will not be able to fully to prevent the occupiers from robbing the people and the country in those territories that are occupied, but the special operations forces demonstrated that in the occupied territory, and i mean the undermining of the railway bridge near melitopol, which will prevent both deliver the equipment of the occupiers from the occupied crimea to the mainland, it will also interfere with the use of railway transport for the export of ukrainian assets to the occupied territory of crimea and probably then directly to the russian federation. that is, we have already started to act as

special operations forces should act today and achieve success, what is needed it is still necessary to show these things to more and more ukrainians. because when ukrainians at least somewhere have a doubt that maybe it is possible to somehow live even under occupation, such footage is like an empty shelf what are the atrocities of the rashists in the occupied territories of kherson today? they give a very clear understanding to ukrainians that you can live only in a free ukraine. mr. mykhailo besarab also has a question. well, let's emphasize that yesterday the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, more precisely yesterday , we talked about this and it became known. on wednesday evening, it adopted a resolution on the creation of an international tribunal regarding russia's actions in ukraine , and there were also articles referring to the fact that

russia's actions are not only about the fact that the russian army tortures people, kills, rapes, etc. the civilian population, including children, i.e. , commits the dirtiest, most terrible, most terrible crimes on the territory of our state, and commits food crimes, so in your opinion, what exactly will the adoption of such a resolution lead to, man, and can such a tribunal be held over by russian war criminals, the one you listed falls under the qualification of war crimes , the punishment of which is provided by the procedure of the international criminal court, you know how to talk about exactly how the tribunal on by putin and his henchmen, or by the procedure of the international criminal court or by some special procedure, this question seems to me to be

of such a technical order to us. it is important that nuremberg 2 was held over moscow, and the russians, the highest military and political leadership of russia and russia, and the direct war criminals were held responsible for crimes committed on the territory of ukraine. i am sure that this will be the second issue, and this is an international coalition that can focus and concentrate on punishing russia and its leadership for international criminal offenses as well should unite around the issue of compensation by russia for damages caused to ukraine as a result of aggression, as well as losses suffered by western countries due to the sanctions they were forced to apply to russia and whether due to the costs incurred by them providing ukraine with weapons yes. that is, this is a completely legally civilized mechanism and

this is an important question. thank you, mr. mykhailo. and at the end of 30 seconds, oleg sinyutka, where did putin live before the second nuremberg, in your opinion, i would very much like him to be tried publicly and that it happened as soon as possible and i am convinced that this would be a great warning for other dictators and for those who want to change the world order. therefore, it will happen for sure after the ukrainian victory, so let's support the armed forces of ukraine with all the possibilities and let's do everything in our place where it depends on us to bring our victory closer thank you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes and death to the enemies oleg synyutka people's deputy of ukraine e.e. mykhailo basarab political scientist were my guests and this part of our marathon was conducted for you and i, maria gurska, and right now i will give the floor to my colleague angelica