and i very much hope that many of those ukrainian businessmen and oligarchs who are now mysteriously silent and do not reflect at all on the russian attack and successfully left the country waiting for someone to negotiate with based on the results of someone's victory, they will not return to ukraine. if they return, then society has to deal with them be a frank conversation about how they all plan to live on, because it won't be like this as always. and i still believe that those people who in kherson go bare-handed against the tanks will also be ready not to tolerate corruption anymore, but here of course, everything depends on opinion leaders such as you. so that we have a sufficient mass of experts who will not just criticize the government, but will give clear decisions. you guys are doing nonsense, we need to do it differently and this is how it should be done, thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr yes, the minister of infrastructure from 16 to 19 is volodymyr omelyan. and now without the 206th

territorial defense battalion of the city of kyiv, stela zhovton, a political expert and a former member of the moldovan parliament, we have you on the phone, we welcome you, mrs. stela, and we usually say in russian, do you understand ukrainian or will we speak russian? madam, you can understand as much as we can, of course we are talking about transnistria. do you feel any threat now for the country from the side of this enclave of the pro-russian, well, uh, сейчас, of course, uh, the situation in uh, in the prynesov region, eh, there has somehow become agitated in recent days. yes, relatively calm, well, no negotiations,

negotiations, as usual, in such a ping-kong regime, the transnistrian side always did not adhere to agreements and signed documents, but always blamed the republic of moldova for this chisinau, that is, uh, now, because of the double in ukraine, uh, things started to happen in kyiv, let's say uh, very interesting things, as only the russian one has zaebila about the fact that he sees no threats to the region, as the next day - this happened these are so-called provocations the material of the so-called ministry of state security of transnistria is the most interesting thing that in the first days of transnistria, it was not even that the first days of the

leadership of transnistria kept silent and did not comment at all. assessments of what is happening, eh, and she talked in general about the fact that there are some videos from the scene of the incident, as already about eh, after a few days, they began to show some video where three people come out, all three of them have one grenade launcher, they came out and shot everyone in turn in okna mgb kak once sunday at 5:30 p.m. when the building was empty, and already on the second day, more such units were sent, let's say provocations - this is firing at the fences, this is the result of the teteraspol airfield, and the shelling of the antennas in the village of the lighthouse in the village of the lighthouses eh eh in the radio broadcasting

these towers well of course eh later transnistria eh although i repeat again they did not say eh and at all they did not do such things officially declared who would this be and did not accuse no one as already these days we see that they are talking about what the tracks lead to ukraine, what is this provocation, this is what we call the minister of foreign affairs of gnatiev, yes, in an interview with russian television, where he said that all traces lead to ukraine, then in the understanding that ukraine is tightening the republic of moldova, it is trying to tighten the republic of moldova, because we do not control it the transnistrian region is at war with russia, the lady has become such a person, i have a question about the mood, rather, it can be better there, feel that if you are not in the temporarily

occupied territory, transnistrian and of the moldavian republic, well, if it is true that 80% of the citizens of this so-called transnistrian republic have moldovan passports for easy travel to ukraine, roma and ukraine, and there are also 10-15% who have passports of romania, that is, passports of the european union, these people will want it 's interesting to fight for something. why am i asking this because in 1992 i was there on the fronts as a correspondent for the bbc and i asked people in transnistria and moldova and eastern moldova told me we are in the world never we want fascists live there, romanians live there. we hate them, but now they are somehow already tied to europe, so i don’t

understand if there is a desire to fight with the ukrainian army with the moldovan army. of the year where you were, the situation has radically changed. there is no longer such an ideologized population, let's say, plus, i want to tell you more that the situation has changed radically in the last few years, and transnistrian questions are also far away it's not a political question, it's a purely economic question , it's a pre-metered one. how was it very beneficial for someone to have a zone called the black rich? it was very convenient for smuggling. well, let's say such an illegal business . eh who are located eh who migrated from the republic of moldova and ukraine

to transnistria and there they use, let's say, the quotas that transnistria has according to eh the agreement on association that there are no transnistrians there they pay, they get gas for free, there they don’t pay - it’s transnistria, the republic of moldova doesn’t pay anything for gas, uh, we don’t know what kind of relationships they have with gazprom, uh, the new republic of moldova doesn’t get anything into the budget, and all these broadcasts, they rely on it free of charge in gas and of course business there is flourishing especially very well -fertilized for

er -eh eh-eh i'm going to fight eh-eh there eh-eh m-m so many problems, first of all, a lot of people from transnistria left somewhere around 200-250,000 people from whom you completely said that every citizen has a passport of a citizen of the republic of moldova, romania, and you know a passport of a citizen of ukraine that is, they have passports again, and can you imagine the situation in which the residents of transnistria now find themselves when, uh, let's say from the russian side, eh, as the guys say. well, you see our passports, eh, we are you they just kept here, it's time to defend your homeland,

such a historical one, what kind of history they have, give us everything. well, it means that this is a mobilization . uh, the border with ukraine is there, there are these kinship ties, so many former citizens, uh, well, ukrainians also live on the territory of transnistria, and that's why no one is going to fight there, and when these provocations happened, people started, uh, almost days later, people started looking for uh - will come out of of the transnistrian region, first of all, in order to escape from possible shelling from the country of the russian federation in that they now control it and simply not

to be mobilized in the russian army , people are running away from us. the administrative border with transnistria was full of cars. documents citizens of the republic of moldova from the residents of the transnistrian region, and theo rushed to remember that they have the citizenship of the republic of moldova and now it is necessary to legitimize there on account of documents and so on. no one goes to transnistria to fight . and uh, they leave there for chisinau, or some of them. i know that it’s even further in romania, but uh, now transnistria, and

it’s not a secret for anyone that uh , representatives of the so-called official bodies have settled there the authorities who are also officers of the sssba and who are apparently tasked with muddying the waters there and so that the residents are not so peacefully disposed towards ukraine and towards the right-bank moldova and for in order to make these sentiments military sentiments aggressive sentiment against the pocket is against kyiv vopros and how will people in moldova, in the republic of the young , vote in the next presidential and parliamentary elections? the situation in ukraine can influence the sympathies of the citizens of moldova, taking into account that as

we can see from kiev, the citizens of moldova, as it were, in every election who is who for russia, then for europe, then for russia, then for europe, then for russia, then for europe, this is the struggle of the whole of europe and ukraine vs. russia . what can it lead to? can we talk about a stable european or stable pro-russian majority in moldova, which will be the case for the next i don’t know there for 10 years and they will always vote for it? is russia always for europe? well, you understand, er , republics. moldova has two now. two and a half million citizens are ukraine, er, much more numerous than this country . it is not so tangible in quantitative terms. it is presented in order. but this

is the problem of everything about the soviet space. there are also such disturbing geopolitical votes in favor of russia. in pro-russian language and there is about the european vote in all practical elections and i want to tell you that our politicians have so far used it very abundantly and even worked on such a flowery electoral line and in imitation of any struggle between east and west here in the republic of moldova because it was so much easier to earn real points eh now eh the war in ukraine eh eh turned the situation around- i think how much has the situation changed in the region

in the entire region eh and what eh- ukraine has everything the prospects for leadership in this region are in the consequences of this war will definitely affect the situation in the republic of moldova. we hope that the last elections were not geopolitical . the corruption that has been up to now has been carried out by the previous authorities, we had an unprecedented unification of society when people were independent from their geopolitical preferences, political left and right centers, and so on, they voted yes the anti-corruption program of the president of my sandu and in the party, if the presidency is to

preserve solidarity in the society, then i think that in the next elections, and with the accounts of the victory of ukraine in this war, the situation in the republic moldova will definitely change in favor of european sentiments that have already been decided, especially since the republic of the young is one of the first triumvirate, it is even the first of the triumvirate . associations eh plus, i got the status, we got the opportunity to become citizens. not a moldovan, um, well, he travels to europe without a uh, visa regime, and plus, uh, i think that this is the case with the republic of moldova, as well as ukraine and georgia . um, they have already handed over the questionnaire, signed the questionnaire for obtaining the status of many

countries in the eu, uh, i think that the situation can change and finally in the european favor, you understand. thank you very much. uh, what they gave us their time and we are further, i would like if there is not yet mr. milovanov , with whom we also want to already have, but i would tell you, come on, maybe we can talk about it at the end, such hints keep popping up, and she and ms. stella say that ukraine can become in the regional leader. this is not the first time i have heard this. i would like to discuss it at the end when we have an interactive . sovereignty okay tymofiy milovanov, president of the kyiv school

of economics x, the minister of economic development of ukraine, we are in touch mr. tymofiy good health, and look well, the first question is about yesterday and today . these are conscious movements, there is something. that is , it is not just that it happens automatically, but the cabinet of ministers is doing something. the ministry is doing something. the administration or the office of the president is doing something. restructuring is taking place. maybe it has already been restructured by a certain percentage. adaptation has taken place and it will continue. unfortunately for all of us, it is happening because the war will go through different phases. and depending on these phases, business will react and should

react differently . business also has a lot to do, so it goes in parallel with the government, you will be from victory, there are some mistakes. well, we know, for example, there is a lot of talk now about taxes on customs duties on cars, it was talked about, and there is a discussion about whether to return taxes or not to return business taxes yes, i personally think that if there is no need to return, there are different opinions, it is normal that during the war this will happen, the economy is essentially divided into three types of economy frontline economy there are military administrations in essence command economy mobilization is all decided by military organizations or i apologize to the administration or even military units are the front-line economy where it is mixed, that is, part of it is a market

economy and part is already mobilized and there is central and western ukraine, well, kyiv too for example, other cities that are now er free were er, in what situations has it improved there and is there either reconstruction or restoration and less of a market economy works, but the companies themselves are also adapting because we can see from the reports on company surveys somewhere with if earlier, only 20-25% of companies were ready to pay salaries and order points, now they are up to 50%. this last survey this week came out from the kyiv school of economics, their joy, i hope it will reach 70%, still somewhere around a third companies now i will tell you why they do not work and can not pay salaries, mr. timofia, one more question, this is already theoretical, but anyway, we will then

move on to non-theoretical ones, is it true, because many people talk about it and try to convince me that what was not done in 30 years of independence in the economy, what the experts talked about, what it should be done, it should be done as you dared, not the parliament, but not the government. now, in two months , something has been done there with taxation, easing regulation, facilitating business, and so on and so forth. like this, we can say that the war pushed ukrainian and ukrainian business and its interaction with the ukrainian government in the right direction in the right direction. unfortunately, this is happening for bad reasons. populist socialist

restrictions what remained from the soviet union, they disappeared because well, let's be specific, for example , we still have the old labor code of the soviet union, now how can you work under it well, no one works for him, everyone violates and the government makes decisions and tries to pass laws that essentially cancel these outdated regulations, but if it wasn't during the time of the warriors, i can imagine certain politicians who would be on all tv shows we would have a discussion about the fact that everything will disappear, the whole squad, the sky will fall to the ground, and if we cancel some regulation, then everything will end well, this, this , socialist nonsense, it, uh, fortunately, has now disappeared like uh, in foam, just on we spoke with mr. omelyan and he said yes

he says that for every dollar we need to attract five or six dollars of private investment, the ukrainian government, the ukrainian leadership, you for example, who, as i understand it, can get there and advise something, there is such an algorithm that will allow and make very attractive investments in ukraine will create such options about which every pole is dumb, an englishman, an african, a chinese , i don’t know who else will say listen, it’s just klondike there, taxation is transparent, simple, you come there, you invest, you drive money, you build everything beautifully in short we went to ukraine. look at even the first conversation. now we see that the foreign investor is now very much like that. well, we want to attract him,

you and i understand, yes. and another 2, 3, 5 weeks, er, months ago, we er, would have had a discussion such that foreigners are not allowed launch because they will destroy something there, they will compete with and they are bad, so today we understand that we need to attract foreigners and develop our business. so this is a market economy, this is an example of that. specifically, the answers that have changed in these two months are inserted into the market economy now will a foreigner come to invest in us now no he won't come can the government do anything to make him come no he can't because what is the fundamental problem because now there is a risk of war and he simply can not make a decision within his company because there is no insurance against war because what needs to be done is to create an agency or some mechanism for insurance against military risk at the level of the european state, and then insurance against military risk plus quality projects here plus they also have taxes plus

state and international support will really create conditions when people here will want to invest, there is a desire to invest in business, but they are afraid. i mean international business is scary because of the war and because it is necessary to explain to the owners later, if something happens, god forbid, that is why they need to be insured, a very practical problem one more question for people, look at the average person who does not know much about the economy, for example, someone like me, but it is difficult for me to imagine the interest of business well , let's say there is a road, let's say there are russians bombed, even if the war is over, there is no need to insure anything, everything is fine. so, how to attract this business when, dear, of course, a person says, well, i will come to you, i will rebuild 100 km of an ideal road, the german autobahn. eh, the wealthier is not understood by anyone from ordinary

ukrainians there will be either a contract from the state for the performance of works for which money will be introduced and there will be guarantees of the ukrainian government as well as international governments. i think that this money will be paid, then it is clear, the story is one mechanism, a person comes and does work, he will receive money, the second mechanism is when we introduce, for example, private roads, when it will be possible to collect some kind of payment or from the shares of the road fund, then pay out, and in this way it is all an investment for people there may still be mechanisms of mainly state partnership when, for example , a local administration or a community, together with a private investor, agree on some conditions that they do some kind of complex project, for example builds a road and restores a city or village or community, and they allow you to lease land

for a certain period, or they allow you to allocate land for investment for free, for example, for some factory, and again, we would have had a conversation 5 months ago about the fact that a foreign investor will lease the land, we would argue with you about the fact that he will then steal it and take away that black earth, but in fact, you are right in saying that a person needs to be interested in order for him to accept the money. he can build a road the road will be ours and for that she will have a lease of land there for 10 years and now it is definitely necessary to move to russia for several days in a row there in russia they are thinking about different things, for example, the two- circuit ruble, they talked about it and talked about it too well, that's how i i understood how we discussed with italy when there is an official exchange rate for the ruble, as we remember, it is 62 kopecks and there is

an unofficial one that will set there 15 rubles per dollar for 15 years, if it is such money, are you selling us , great job yes, but you can plant as you say there are also such reflections that the market economy it is outdated, inefficient, it does not reflect the real value. and we in russia will come up with such a specific real value and then our ruble will be the best. well, a currency that is pleasant for the whole world, in short, where is russia moving financially , these are all the things about which they are now completely serious they discuss including the two-circuit ruble and the inefficiencies of the market economy instead of the effectiveness of this state economy well of course for them the market economy is inefficient because the accounting economy does not want to cooperate with them after what they are

doing. so when they showed their face, it became clear to everyone. with this war with him . sanctions work, they weaken the economy and over time they will drive it into a very difficult situation when it will be very backward. but does this mean that they will stop the war? well, unfortunately, only financial clinical methods will not stop the war with them it is necessary to fight and we all have to understand this and give ourselves well, somehow give the right advice to yourself, but from this place you have a whole minute and a half to answer. that is, you think that the simultaneous influence of the ukrainian army and western-western sanctions is not

as effective as many here hope that these two two two hands will strangle russia in the end and it will stop its aggression, two hands together will strangle it, i am sure but to hope that only one hand will strangle, especially sanctions for this is not worth it well, but when in your opinion the russian the average citizen will feel it, because now, as i understand it , they haven’t felt it yet. well, there is something missing somewhere, but in principle, it’s great, even the ruble exchange rate has stabilized, they are even proud of some things there. but you literally have one minute, please. see if a person is ready for 400 dollars for $500. everyone should go into a tank to die and kill others, then if they are paid $200, then she will also climb into that tank, yes, sanctions work not because a person does not want to get into a tank, but because they do not

will they be able to build or repair that tank, or if they repair it, it won't shoot, well , a great answer is one that inspires. and who inspires us? timofii mylovanov of the prezenkiv school of economics, ex-minister of economic development. thank you very much, colleagues, in a few seconds, news, updated operational information, in particular, therefore, wait for the 65th day of aggression of the russian federation against the ukrainian people in anzhelika sezonenko is working on the espresso news broadcast in the studio, the rashists have released unguided rockets for sums