it is easier to take into account what this will mean for russia, first of all, they, er, the eu says that they will switch to china and india, but do you think that the chinese will buy these energy carriers for the same price, and never, of course, i am a rumor, but it has not been confirmed yet that iran's oil is bought by china somewhere at er at er level of er dollars and this means with huge discounts and in addition it is possible to achieve psychological influence er russia will export to china because we are all former socialist countries but if russia became dependent on china, it will be an extraordinary psycho here

a-a blow for the kremlin and we know that these guys are paranoid, they do not want to leave the official and chinese government, and if we show this clearly, then the countries of the ussr can also look at the sanctions against iraq in the sense of the gas that is transported through gas pipelines and there are currently discussions in europe, i hope they will come to this. but if we put an embargo on these e energy carriers that are delivered by sea and then we also look at iran's model regarding pipeline gas, then e eventually we can to apply the full burden to such energy carriers , i.e., certain products that are currently, in particular, those

that are delivered by sea will be forever lost to russia, i do not think that russia can win here , so they will try to put pressure on ukraine very much, hoping that when the war ends , they all this is played back and it is an illusion, it is their hope and the hypothesis is not viable , it must be destroyed all the time because that is how they perceive the world and they see the world as a completely distorted mess and even if if you succeed then all these markets you know will be lost for you and er and this is the price you pay now and will pay in the future i fully support sanctions on the iran model but i also have a proposal to combine them with sanctions on

energy carriers delivered by sea thank you very much andrii, i hope that our audience will hear what you are saying and listen, in particular, to the representatives of the governments, and they will follow your advice . suggested ways to restore ukraine and how we can begin to restore ukraine interestingly in your opinion, and i will not talk about issues in separate fields, i would rather approach philosophically because i believe that we are now in such a position that we should also be philosophical

and war is terrible and extremely not beautiful, but one of the consequences that you can use to your advantage is that in certain places we will not have to restore what was destroyed, we have to go to a new level to new technologies and new approaches, let's say, with regard to central heating and this sector in ukraine. it was a real disaster, it was ineffective and is now ineffective in many regions. this system was almost destroyed or damaged, so i would advise not to restore it in the old soviet sense, but to use such technologies which will provide, with international support, a new system to go one or two generations ahead. and

indeed, this applies to many others galu. i think that we are now one step away from a huge radical restructuring of our economy approaches to how we conduct business, how mobile applications are used and already become part of the industry and industry, we can study in other countries, mobile banking, let's say, we have one of the best in the world, we can apply it in many other industries, for example , such vines as distance learning, let's say as well as telemedicine, where you can use mobile e-communications, communication networks and very advanced technologies in order to provide all these services without physical contact with the teacher or doctor, and this will be especially relevant where

hospitals were destroyed, where a university was destroyed and which cannot be restored simultaneously and quickly. that is , we are moving into a completely new era of services and industry. thank you very much, andrei, for your comments and for being with us today. us today is a great opportunity to create a new country, and that is why i am turning to mrs. natalia natalia, i am extremely glad to see you and thank you for being with ukraine today, in your opinion, ukraine, which has found itself in a desperate economic and humanitarian situation the situation, what can one expect. how do you assess the current situation? i can say that the situation is indeed difficult, but comparing it with what was in the 14th year , it is difficult in a different way than in the 14th year , because the budget deficit is now somewhere yes, eight billion dollars a month is something that

absolutely our partners are only beginning to realize, and president baynen and his administration took this into account in their proposals to provide $8 billion in direct economic aid to ukraine, and america is going to close ukraine part of this deficit, but other countries will also contribute to this, this money goes to meet the basic social needs of the country, it is pensions, it is salaries for military personnel, salaries for doctors and payments to families who have lost soldiers of their family members, and this is infrastructure reconstruction in those industries and in those territories which were freed from the russian occupation, it is necessary, like max, to rebuild the infrastructure as soon as possible. when somewhere around 40% of businesses do

not pay taxes, this must be changed without a doubt, and it is necessary to adapt, and it is not even enough to move western ukrainian europe needs macro-financial support and help for business in ukraine so that it survives, the situation is very difficult, but the reforms that began in 15-16 years will be a serious help. the peppa book of the banking section will help here, and if it was not there, then it would not there would be such an efficient e-e banking sector that shows and now good results if there was no macro-financial stability that we created in the 17th year and with the recovery of the budget, then we would not

have seen from such an army in ukraine today and 5% of gdp that is planned was planned from the 15th year on the army is extremely important for national security, and it created such an army, which today shows an example for the whole world , if there was no decentralization of fiscal finances in 2015 , when revenues were transferred from the higher level to lower local budgets, then there would not be strong territorial communities that i am on today , which do not wait for instructions from the mountain and do not always wait for appropriations, e. mykolayevich and other local leaders, and we see that this fiscal decentralization that has taken place

really made local communities strong and they stood on their feet, and now we don’t have pyramids here, it was before when everything came from kyiv, and now kyiv is engaged in international politics affairs. and at the local level , the correct economic activity is taking place , besides, the digitization that has begun in ukraine is also very important, and such applications, how it works, all this in sum have made ukraine so resilient. no looking at the tragedy here, the war that is happening now, you have to look at everything as a whole. ukraine has a very stable economy that reacts well to this crisis because it is decentralized and it is functional and it will cope with this crisis,

one more question for you ms. natalya v i have a carrot if we are talking about general ideas. what should be done for ukraine in the process of construction to create a completely new country in a practical sense, how to achieve this, how to implement and implement the new marshall plan for ukrainians, what mechanisms are possible apply, in your opinion, which could ensure that everything in this regard is done correctly, thank you. i agree with andriy, there is no need to talk about the reconstruction of ukraine, there is no need to rebuild what was still permeated by sovietism and inefficiency in terms of economy, industry, and so on it is necessary to look for pluses in this crisis, and the plus is that

everything can be built in a new, modern way on a technological basis and to build up local communities in ukraine, which was not the case under the soviet system, and to provide for them necessary a-a-m-m services in order to make life comfortable for people and to do it in the most modern way. there are three divine principles that must be taken into account first. you must have money, here you must have international cooperation, not only with the big seven. levels of the big twenty and with the involvement of the private sector in order to raise the necessary funds, i will add, in addition to the money that should come in terms

of reparations and compensation from russia, is it the money of russian oligarchs or money uh seized assets of russia abroad and so on due to the legal process that should begin already and now and now is being considered in the united states legislative acts that concern oligarchs but it is necessary to expand the legislation so that the reparations for ukraine are wider and deeper and it can be some special taxes, etc. so , the russian federation must pay for the destruction of ukraine, in addition to this, bilateral relations are multilateral and involve the private sector, all of which requires the cooperation of there has never been a marshal on such a line, the marshall plan is one donor, and therefore it is very

easy to coordinate, and it should be such a collaboration that will include dozens of factors, return espresso to the air, the reasons, in fact, say what is reported to our the viewer needs these things, and yes, jewish work is very difficult and responsible. it seems to me that during the war, it is not quite right to close channels that give a broad, broad view of politics. the more independent mass media in the country, the more honest, quality information there is, and i would like such radical actions were not carried out during the war, and especially what concerns the espresso channel, because usually those programs and those comments that i had

the opportunity to view the programs that i watched , they very broadly and quite honestly described the situations that exist well, in particular, in politics, and those comments are offered by espresso it makes you think more, better, better understand the situation , the president and zelenskyy, return expresso to the air let's protect the information front together, glory to ukraine , let's return to our conversation in the studio serhiy zgurets well, now as my colleague and co-presenter military expert defect express i congratulate you i congratulate you well and we will sum up on this day of the 65th day of the war expert sum up let's start with the situation in general e on the fronts how it looks as of the evening well actually we we are talking about the fact that ukraine is currently conducting the largest defensive operation in europe

after the second world war. this is indeed the largest military operation that continues on our continent - the crime of about 500,000 personnel these are large enough forces, if we are talking directly about military actions on the territory of our country, then the situation looks like this, uh, directly in the collision zone of the luhansk and donetsk regions, if we look at the map, there is a kind of push and pull, that is, you can say in some directions russian troops are trying to advance there, at some points we are repelling our territory, first of all, when we talk about the contact line, it primarily refers to the fact that the enemy is trying to gain a foothold there border and is also trying to move to severodonetsk, the situation related to kharkov remains difficult, i.e. kharkiv is being shelled. but

at the same time, interesting events took place right around kharkov when right there the assault units of the main intelligence department led by the command of the ground forces recaptured a settlement called ruska lozova - this is by the way, the point that is on the highway between kharkiv and belgorod and in this direction is usually shelling of our city kharkiv at home now the situation will be calmer raisin raisin remains the most difficult direction because about 25% of the military force that russia has raised today is concentrated there, and the enemy is trying to break through to periwinkle. and we also expect an offensive in the direction of slavyansk . russian troops began withdrawing

their forces from mariupol, 10 battalion tactical groups were concentrated near there, and these troops began to move to the north. i think in the direction of donetsk, or rather in the direction of kurakhove. expect that these forces are trying to strengthen this component in the donetsk area in order to somehow form a force that will move directly to kramatorsk. but i will say this: all these methods of movement are very insignificant from the point of view of real advances, because today the potential of russian troops is sufficient limited compared to the beginning of hostilities, if in fact these are the capture of individual cities. these are simply tactical successes and defeats of each, but the situation will develop and it is precisely the further development of events that will be decisive

significance for assessing the situation in the east of the country, or in boxing or in football, this is a tactical confrontation, absolutely absolutely, when in boxing, it is measured by blows, when they are already going openly, but in football, it is called a game without one's own goal, when they play only on the attack. well, here we see a different situation. i would also like to hear your comment. we were just talking to the head of the donetsk regional military administration, mr. kyrilenko, and were talking about the fact that the enemy is now withdrawing part of its troops from mariupol. we can just see mariupol on the map completely red, that is, it is accurate to the enemy, but part of the troops is moving from there to where the enemy is throwing these troops and where he is preparing to create or a threat where there is the morning one. or it is possible to strengthen our positions in another direction. well, in fact, the russian troops that took part in the hostilities are enough, let’s say so exhausted by combat actions , and in fact it is completely irrational to immediately transfer them to another direction, if today the russian leadership really leads them away from mariupol in the direction of kurakhove

in fact, there will be no real strengthening, because there will be no potential for it, because they really need to be strengthened with their e-e and personnel and equipment. for now, i think that there is no real potential for e-e such a step today. well, let's move on to the international support of ukraine not just words, little deeds, as yushchenko used to say in his time, and in the pentagon, the ministry of defense of the united states of america held a briefing about what they were talking about. well, i think that it obviously also related to the help that ukraine will eventually be able to receive this assistance is agreed at the legislative and executive levels. that is to say, well, the congress is legislating in them, the executive is the president and his government . well, the pentagon has to implement it all. well, in fact, the briefing of the pentagon was quite regular and, first of all, it is about what is the list of weapons samples which are planned there in the

eighth package of american aid is already coming to ukraine directly, and howitzers and other types of weapons were also mentioned that the training of the first groups of ukrainian military personnel who will master and these well-known guns and new radars that allow you to observe the battlefield and protect ammunition and btr-m 113, that is, in fact, the preparation process is already completed and part of the personnel who were preparing is already on the territory of ukraine together with those howitzers that arrived on the territory of ukraine, that is, in fact, this already a real push to strengthen our defense capability, but much more. of course, this will happen when the lend-lease law supported by congress begins to be implemented. we remember the ancient roman of the roman expression aviak and est the lot is cast, well actually the lot is cast i understand with the united states of america er langlist is signed

you just said how we will talk more about it now with mykhailo er er sam er exactly he is the director of new er joh playtix resort network and he is with us on the connection of mr. mykhailo good evening to you good evening mr. serhiy will ask a question please mr. serhiy mr. mykhailo i congratulate you the first question, first of all, what is the significance of the adoption of the law on land lease for ukraine and for of our victory well, we have, first of all, i would like to say a few things about this law, it is actually a very interesting interesting thing, and this is not a new law, but in fact the restoration of the law and principles that existed during the second world war. that is, we have in fact, some examples of what happened then, and then very interesting things happened, er, in fact, with this law, the united states renounced its neutral status against the background of the second world war and entered this world war very powerfully and

actively helping, first of all, great britain and then to other allies, and then this entry of the united states into the second world war actually changed the course of this war. that is, we hope that geopolitically, and from a military-political and military strategic point of view, this decision will really become a turning point. when, in fact, we collect the coalition that was already formalized at the meeting in rammstein a couple of days ago, when 43 countries have already gathered in the anti-putin coalition and the law of deer-lease in our country sends us back to analogues of the second world war, everything is very positive signals from the point of view of the strengthening of ukraine and what kind of weapons actually then during the second world war, the united states supplied any weapons , any material means, any resources, including fuel and dry rations and, in fact, all

road transport if we recall in the american not only in the british oleg in the soviet union in fact that is why we can actually count on the entire spectrum of military and not only military aid i wanted to ask mr. mykhailo the law on linguists is clear it is like this the form of filling and how flexible this law is, that is, ukraine will need some kind of weapon like this or that. we do not know how the situation will develop on the front, what will be needed there, will it be possible to offer what we need, or is there a certain list of what we can get it it will not actually be possible to get out of this list , which is exactly why i emphasized the analogy with the second world war, then in fact you could ask everything, and now if this is the case, the same principle will actually apply to the ministry of defense the minister of defense of ukraine can make

a list of any demands or requests in his e-e and after that, the relevant authorities, after making a decision with the president of the united states , will already implement these requests, here the law provides an opportunity to avoid other bureaucratic procedures, but only by decision of the president, in fact, i think all this will be brought down to the relevant structures , first of all, the ministry of defense, as well as other agencies that are engaged in the supply of weapons and military equipment and other resources, because i i emphasize once again that they supplied not only weapons , they supplied everything that the army and the country needed for victory, this is the essence of not just helping the armed forces, but providing help to ukraine in order to defeat russia, and not only to ukraine, they are talking about soybeans, for example, the same there is a case when slovakia, for example, gives us an s300 anti-aircraft missile system, and instead of it, the sky will protect

the american petriv, there are such cases now, and in poland you give us 72, it is obvious that there may be a delivery of new leopards and so on by the same principle. by the way, 2010 modern t-72 tanks were handed over to poland in ukraine by serhii. if i ask you again, the question of the field in that lend-lease is a long-term process. our defense industry is now suffering significant losses. lend-lease more widely that this can be the basis for the restructuring of our defense industry in order to provide new prospects already for western models of weapons well, i think it is so absolutely because we will now be in the process of transitioning to nato standards and not only the armed forces, but in the system of providing material and technical support of logistics e-e management and so on, including the defense industry and the process

that fortunately began, including the reform of the ukroboronprom, the procurement system. by the way, the ministry of defense and other special forces agencies, all this prepared a certain ground, which , of course, will have to be further developed. but in any case, it is so massive. i think that it will be massive, just the transfer of e-e weapons of the military techniques, technology in ukraine, of course, this will first require the training of specialists who will use the equipment and repair and service it, and then i think it will be possible to absolutely calmly hope that the ukrainian defense industry will get a chance to produce such equipment or participate in the operation, of course there is a question what kind of services are these it is necessary to calculate what we will pay for these processes. well, how will the process of e-e repayment of debts take place, an absolutely absolutely correct question, because people have i.e. the name alen-lis, i.e. either borrow or

lease, in fact, when the combined tripods started this process in 1941, when they started summing up the results in 1945, well, in fact, 90% uh, everything was uh that is, there was such a principle that if the weapon is destroyed or damaged during the hostilities, it is no longer returned for it, there is no need to pay anything for anything . what survived can be either paid for or returned to the thing, as it is leasing, but in fact 90% of the united states gave virtually all the entire military the equipment that she transferred, of course, the problem there was only with the soviet union, which for some reason started there as usual and argued with great britain and other allies . there were no problems then. i hope that ukraine will solve its issues after the war very calmly, especially there there was a possibility, including the placement

of military bases, for example, or the placement of some other infrastructural e-e complexes or objects, e.e. in payment for the aid provided or the development of military equipment, we will be able to settle with a military base in sevastopol, but in us 30 seconds 40 seconds to answer a minute absolutely right we must destroy the black sea fleet we absolutely must demilitarize the black sea fleet and we will look at a military base there or maybe there is some kind of beautifully done thank you very much p mykhailo the director of nyujok politics resort network was with us at communication thank you, mr. mykhailo. by the way, at the very end, i want to say that what we are doing today on the chinese tv channel ictv showed such a picture and it showed which countries they will select which part of russia? well, i don’t know in which one they can, they had a humorous show. well , in principle, it was an informational program, and a large part of it leaves behind the bering strait.

well , they tell me that it’s fake. - in any case, it was a fake effect, at one time they drew maps of the disintegration of the soviet union, in principle, it happened that way, that's why i think that here , er, all this will be compensated, you know the price for victory over absolute evil, which is russia today, which is putin today. i think that she did not can be measured even in money, because money can be earned, everything can be rebuilt, people cannot be brought back. unfortunately, thank you very much serhii, we gathered, he was with us until tomorrow, goodbye. now for your attention, bbc news, let's watch together, the russians recognize the missile strikes on kyiv, a journalist of radio svoboda was killed and ten more people were injured the armed forces of ukraine repel russian attacks in the east, this is the 65th day of the russian invasion, this is how it will be remembered, the russian attack on kiev after two weeks of relative calm, missile