we cannot allow such a scenario, and if russia, for example, dares, well, they will agree, that is, in fact, it is beneficial for them, that is, after the ninth of may, they can announce a general mobilization and fold up and say that well, okay, we have achieved our goal, let's go now to put up with and live amicably in the future, that is. for us, this is a very bad option, we need to continue offensive actions, liberate our territory and insist on the capitulation of russia to the western allies. i agree, mrs. elena. how do you think the events of this week will affect the near future? i mean the diplomatic tour of the secretary general, mr. antonio goteresha, first to moscow, then to kyiv, at the same time as the kyiv meetings in

the hotel, there is still a missile attack on the capital of ukraine in your opinion. and by the way, the efforts of the un have failed , at least as of this moment. so, we do not see that there is any effect . the kremlin denied any such agreements after the meeting between guterres and putin, so how do you assess whether it is possible in the near future to deprive russia of the right to veto in the un and what will be the response of the united nations to putin 's indecision demonstrates and er and one of these demonstrations was actually the events of this week er well, russia just showed that it

considers the un to be a er toy such an organization so that in fact there is no influence er on the decision of russia er therefore that is well , it's something like the council of europe for example yes, that is, ok, the council of europe can meet there, it is not known what it affects, that is, the politics of russia . as far as the legal side is concerned, of course we need a change in china's policy, then it really is possible if this change takes place, which i, well, i doubt very much, it's not unrealistic. meant a completely different configuration of forces in the world, this would mean that china takes the side of those

states that seek to punish the violator of the rules, yes, the violator of the agreement from the world agreements and the one who destroys the world order, it would already be a completely different picture of the world and it would be completely different the un was probably more effective than the un, and if you compare the ladies there, our political scientists like to compare the league of nations, so the league of nations before the war was still able to expel germany from its membership, so far the un has not even done this in relation to russia. that's why you don't need to rely on the un, of course , you just need to use this organization as a platform for communicating your position, it's convenient and that's all, period , all other mechanisms of deterring russia are on the battlefield and are provided and given to us by our allies in the form of military aid thank you ms. olena olena

snyr, associate expert of the global studies center, 21, candidate of political sciences, was on the phone with us, and right now we will talk about sociology, ukrainian sociology, russian sociology, whether you can trust the research of the russian levada center and their sociologists, who say that the number of russians who support putin is increasing, as well as the number of those who approve of russia's war in ukraine and the atrocities committed by the russian army in ukraine. but first, let's talk about ukrainian sociology and here there is also something to pay attention to and talk about. oleksiy antipovich , head of the rating sociological group, contact us . congratulations, mr. oleksiy. congratulations. so, on april 26 of this year, the rating sociological group presented the results of a national survey. so, this week sociologists

studied several interesting aspects that i would like to discuss with you, and above all, the study concerned the attitude of ukrainians to world leaders and showed that during the last two months, that is, during this war, the attitude of ukrainians to world leaders is very has changed a lot. tell me exactly how, mr. oleksiy. well, different letters have changed in different ways, and we can definitely say that the positive indicators have increased by one and a half times evaluation of activities or a positive attitude towards such presidents, he is president byte a-a president of poland duda a-a boris johnson and great britain but now not but but these indicators now make up about 90% of positive attitudes towards the owners of these three

heads of state and in fact we can say that all ukrainians trust or all ukrainians positively perceive duda johnson and pai somewhat less yes in the first place, that is, in fact, he is a world leader who has unprecedented support, the gratitude of ukrainians in this is not surprising when the largest part of this wave of refugees who have now left for europe and those of our displaced persons who are fleeing the war and are so forced to find temporary shelter is accepted by poland today, polish houses are opened, polish families accept ukrainians and the polish state provides social opportunities for ukrainians and in order to cover this difficult period for us, it is unquestionable, but even if you look at the long period, the president of poland was always perceived positively by ukrainians

. well, let's say better than his other colleagues but we don't remember that anymore, oleksiy, the times when oleksandr lukashenko was the absolute leader of the hearts of ukrainians, the president was just proclaimed, the president of the republic of belarus was just proclaimed. how is it today with empathy for lukashenka ? was in the first place of trust among ukrainians, but this is already long ago, uh, there is no doubt that the attitude towards neighbors in this case towards poland and lithuania is the best , they help us the most, the opportunity is closer to us and in spirit and most of all for us but if we talk about belarus , which is also a neighbor, well, unfortunately, it is a good neighbor of ours, it acts either on the side of the enemy, and in the end, ukrainians see it as it is. 96%

seem to have a negative attitude towards lukashenka and recognition is also at the level there, almost 90% the recognition of belarus as a fortune teller from country to country. well, it was not clear before and it was not like that even before the presidential elections, but even after the presidential elections, when there were pittings, when there were speculations about falsification. i understand that ukrainians have worsened their attitude towards lukash even without a war, but now he is an enemy in principle the same as putin is, what about oleksiy, let me quickly add that what else interested me in this study is that ukrainians began to have a much better attitude towards the west in general to our partners and, above all, the opinion regarding international aid has improved, the survey itself noted that the measure

began to help more diplomatic , humanitarian and financial, although ukrainians still continue to be dissatisfied with the help of weapons 65%. interviewed in this in the rating study, they believed that it was not enough, but we thank our partners, we do not stop thanking them for all the help we will receive. well, all the more so because the studies were conducted even before ukraine received the green light and in more active supplies of heavy weapons, which became possible and the united states' acceptance of the law about langleys therefore, it will be necessary to do a new study soon, but to what extent can mr. oleksiy be trusted in the russian ratings, it is actually very interesting , we are constantly seeing new and new surveys that they show how support for putin has grown in russia. yes, it's already kind of off the scale, and of course these ratings are shocking for us, which

show that russians actually support the war that putin unleashed against ukraine and the atrocities committed by the russian army in ukraine. do you personally think these ratings are representative, look at sociology in russia itself. there is only one objection. there is no falsification or representativeness . in this case, the russians, because they do the same kind of internal censorship in order to say everything politically correct, because if they are worried, they might be listened to, if it is not a survey , they can screw it up somewhere, that is, it is about the fact that they are afraid to tell the truth, and what they are afraid of is mainly those people who

disagree with the course of president putin and do not agree with the course that russia is currently taking on the subject of war, respectively, if they are also afraid to express themselves here, we have such huge and sky-high indicators, but unfortunately this does not mean that the majority of russians do not support putin's course and the war in ukraine, so the overwhelming majority or simply the majority here is already a question of definition, uh, they all equally support their state and, accordingly, i support the crimes committed by the russian occupier on the territory of ukraine, is it possible to do something with this to do well, the russians are still dynamic , there is definitely support for russia itself or for putin's actions is decreasing, there is simply another question there , rather a positive attitude rather than support, then these indicators remain extremely high and russian propaganda keeps er keeps his year, it is definitely another

matter that the russians get the truth, more precisely , they may be able to get it, and there appears the following effect that affects these high indicators of support for the war in russia , namely the fact that the russians do not a-a- and to receive and analyze uh-uh information about uh- huh war, he doesn’t want to say so from his warm place and how to bear responsibility or worry or even think about it, it’s convenient for him to watch on television how successfully the answer goes, mr. oleksiy, but here is a coffin is more eloquent than television, and that is why these coffins that are now returning to russia to the russian hinterland from these most depressed areas, which are always less inclined to analyze information and trust television more. this is a window to the world for them. now

they get another window to the world from the truth about this war in the form of funerals of coffins and their relatives with mutilated bodies, and therefore we will also expect the effect of these undeniable facts always about this war, which the russians are currently facing, but in the end, ours with you the conversation would like to return to your study, which demonstrates the sympathy of ukrainians for the west, for its help , and the gratitude of ukrainians. well, we understand that after the return of our e-migrants, those who are currently in europe, primarily from the east , from the south, who suffer the most, yes, actually it is they who are now accepted first of all by the european union, poland is accepted by other countries and in this way they demonstrate their way of life, thinking, worldview, where the person is in the first place and the state is an

instrument that was actually created for that for this person to have a more comfortable and happy life and for this he should provide fully well, all the opportunities for a person to be happy, that's it . my colleague vitaly portnikov writes and says that after our victory in this war, we are expecting simply rampant corruption, in your opinion, will it be tolerant post -war ukrainian society to any abuses by the authorities, you know, i wouldn't be so skeptical , on the one hand, of course, i myself worry as a citizen that after the war, something may return to the old rails that ukraine used to follow for quite a long time and here there is corruption and here and the lack of reform here and eh some betrayals eh eh betrayal of the victory and so on. that is, all this is characteristic of us about this experience, but well, let’s go to an example of how in principle they are dealt with, if you

can say so, ukrainians, of course, ukrainians with looters of these current cities in ukraine. i think that this method can be perfectly applied to corrupt people in the future and, in principle, somehow restrain our enablers from stealing all the property of the state itself and the possible future assistance, including material and financial which will be added by the european our friends, here are all the countries where and which are clearly rebuilding their state, but regarding corruption, of course, i would like ukraine to in no way or in any case not return to the practices that were widespread before the war and i still believe that partly this matter was decided by mr. o lexiv, an educated sociologist. how will

the concept of leadership change for ukrainians after the war, and will completely new leaders be formed who will actually emerge on the political horizon after all the events that we are currently experiencing ? you know, it is difficult for me to discuss here because i, unfortunately , have not seen the leaders. in addition, the armed forces of ukraine, the president and no one else are present in the information field. absolutely normal, but will there be new leaders, this is a question for the ukrainians, who have to change their approach to the choice of uh, their sympathies, which uh, well, what are the actual future electoral indicators of politicians based on, because they once voted for buckwheat about physics, they talked about words and voted for

practical actions, someone laid roads, someone distributed some samples in different ways, i would like to believe that ukrainian society will now receive for the development of civil society so powerful, so much, let's say, european that uh, old approaches, old patterns just don't work therefore, there will be no place for old politicians here, not in the sense that it was in the 19th year, but in the heart, in general, the approach to managing the state requires a manager and managers need the absence corruption, if in our future politics and now where they scourge our land, then of course they are like that before the civil life of the civil administration of the state and even then the state will begin to move let's say in a european way without any er old peoples were in ukraine thank you oleksiy antipovich the leader of

our next guest serhiy taram, a political scientist, is in touch with us. congratulations, mr. serhiy. i congratulate you . well, the news that worries our experts, which we are discussing today, is the leitmotif of our conversation. it is may 9 , which is approaching, and when putin can to announce a general mobilization to launch a decisive strike on ukraine, the dead writes about this with reference to the ministry of defense of great britain. what is your perception of these forecasts and this material, then, by the way, this message was slightly corrected and it says that the minister of defense i would not be surprised if this was announced on may 9, which is not yet a sign of equality with the fact that they already have information that confirms this, but the positive is really that putin now has very few reserves and mobilization in the

russian federation can be absolute in reality, we see how big the problems in the russian federation are with people who come to ukraine, and they come there not because they want to, but because someone drove them there and was aware of what they came for. but both of them have no real motivation, they did not come there with idea and it is thanks to this that ukraine is giving battle to the russian federation, it is by the way that not only russia was lacking in western intelligence when it entered ukraine, because western intelligence gave ukraine a few days, or maybe a maximum a week, but you see that ukraine is fighting and has a chance to win and this is only because western intelligence did not understand how important motivation is, there is no motivation of people who go to war in russia and how many people have not been driven here, this motivation will not appear well and secondly well, you can even theoretically, to announce mobilization in russia, but at the same time, it is impossible to

mobilize equipment that does not exist now, uh, our defenders have already destroyed about a third of all the tanks that were in the russian federation . well, not an announcement, we are not announcing a mobilization new tanks will not appear. especially since the sanctions against the russian federation are working, which limit the production, including heavy equipment, it is also impossible to mobilize planes, which in russia are capable of producing one a month ago. of course, you can bring trained people here, but i doubt that it will be already such a directly radical strengthening of the russian army, taking into account the fact that they will not press the equipment here, and the last thing you know , you can talk about mobilization in the russian federation, but it can have the opposite effect , because then in russia they will really start to be interested in what is really happening in ukraine, because it is one thing when someone there is fighting for some incomprehensible ideas of putin , it is another thing when they force you to leave your family and you risk your life in ukraine with

information from ukraine that reaches the russians after all it is very difficult for the russians, that is why such a general mobilization was not announced by putin until recently precisely because of the reasons that it could have the opposite effect. therefore, everything can be on may 9, and of course it can drag out hostilities if such a mobilization is announced, but in view of these technical, motivational, informational things that are happening in the russian federation, this can not lead to such, you know, radical strengthening of the russian federation, because, well , even those people who are mobilizing and at least elementary will have to be taught, and this is also the time for all the fresh statements about the nuclear blackmail of the kremlin eh we see that us deputy secretary of state victoria nulent says in an interview with the meduza publication that the us is serious about russia's nuclear threats. if moscow does not

use tactical nuclear weapons from she will never recover from the consequences. at the same time, the pentagon says that they do not believe in the existence of the threat of russia using nuclear weapons, and us president joe biden said that russia's comments about that possibility are irresponsible. well, putin constantly resorts to nuclear blackmail in one way or another. statements are constantly being made by russian politicians and on the air of russian talk shows, of course i would like to discuss with you the news that putin shot himself in a bunker , following the example of his german colleagues of adolf hitler who committed suicide on april 30, knowing the love of russians for such and such, for symbolism, and for the symbolism of dates, but nevertheless, in your opinion , is it possible for a mad dictator to move from words to actions and uh, or is it in your opinion

in principle, maybe when talking about the mechanism of using such weapons, press the nuclear button - this is the last thing that remains for putin, because all the arguments have ended, so in russia, from time to time, they talk about a nuclear threat that can be used against of any country. i would say even more if there was no nuclear button in russia, the armed forces would be able to reach moscow itself after the lend-lease - this is absolutely reality, but the nuclear button is what putin is showing that this did not happen, so here we need more should be seen not only as threats against ukraine in relation to the west, but also as a demonstration of putin that he is ready to defend himself. if any scenario suddenly happens on the territory of the russian federation, then i think that the actual use of nuclear weapons can theoretically increase if it is deployed on the territory of the russian federation federation but it seems to me that it is not coming to this now, and that is why it remains

threats for now, and even the theoretical use of the nuclear button by russia. well, don't let everyone win the war. she will remain in such isolation and receive such blows in response, depending on who is directed against nuclear weapons that russia really will not be able to agree, it seems to me that now in the west and in ukraine, strategies will be gradually adopted that will allow the russian federation to inflict a significant military defeat in the east of ukraine, but at the same time, well unfortunately, we cannot push russia to such a degree that it gets rid of the army altogether, precisely in view of the possible use of the nuclear button. this is my personal opinion and it does not reflect the position of any other structure, but i emphasize that it seems to me that this is exactly what inflicting a defeat on the east of ukraine on russia federation because of the weapons that we will get to the west, and this is now the main strategy, that is, not to force putin to

use the nuclear button, the strategy is not to go, not to degrade putin's army to such a degree that it could not do anything at all, including, for example, on the territory of crimea, therefore, according to the threat, we have strategies, and with the correct actions of the western coalition of ukraine, we will avoid this threat, and in any case, the intimidation of putin with a nuclear button shows his weakness, shows that no there are no more arguments left, and nadiya has made her russian army the second in the world, as they often like to say, there is nothing else. let 's talk about the sanctions announced by the world media. embargo and sanctions against the largest russian bank, sberbank, which has so far avoided sanctions. finally,

the new york times writes about this with reference to diplomacy and officials close to the process . sanctions against the nuclear sector of the russian federation are also being discussed in the european union. this proposal is also supported in germany. edition politico so, mr. serhiy, what are the expectations and what will be the effect of whether it will be possible to suppress the kremlin madman thanks to sanctions and the united position of the european sanctions partners - this is important, especially if they concern the technological sectors, in particular the nuclear sector, although i have much more hope for the oil emba, that is, if it succeeds in forming, if the decision to introduce an embargo on russian oil is supported in the west, and it will also affect those structures that are possible not associated with western countries, but dependent on western technologies, that is, sanctions can be extended to them as well, but if this is

done, it will essentially set the counter for the existence of the russian federation, because this is the only source of income, which essentially has all the remaining technologies, even gas no longer plays the same role in the russian federation as oil, therefore, the introduction of an embargo for the russian federation of oil genbard - this is now becoming the number one task in the west. well, of course, for of those countries that prefer to implement it, although the bad news is that we see that it cannot be done instantly. for example, germany agrees already on the oil coast, but says give us a little time. well, for example, there by the end of the year, or in a few months, the same will be the case with other countries. well, before that, all of this must be agreed technologically so that sanctions can also be introduced against e-e entrepreneurs who may not e-e belong to western countries, but they can use russian oil and it is necessary to make sure that they also

fall under the sanctions, therefore, the oil embargo is the key to the economic defeat of the russian federation. i think that sooner or later the west will come to this if, after a meeting of more than 40 foreign ministers on the american base in germany rammstein made a decision. as they say to destroy russia, they will destroy it by all means. and of course they will remember the history of the cold war, when in the west a strategy for the destruction of the soviet union was also adopted, and it was also not possible to fight with the soviet union through the nuclear button , there were also shameful defeats of the soviet union, and in particular in afghanistan, and it was necessary to increase the pressure on the soviet union, and as a result, somehow it happened that oil became very cheap in the world, and it is to the bottom, the soviet economy will now be in a critical situation, therefore the oil embargo is the key, sanctions against banks

are undoubtedly important, but they only complement the strategy for oil embargo and the embargo for the purchase of russian gas, which was announced in the west and i am convinced that sooner or later it will be has been implemented and will be effective, mr. serhiy , we still have a minute and a half before the end of our conversation, we talked about may 9 in russia, but since may 9, the committee of the humanitarian council has considered a draft law on victory day on may 8, however, the draft project has not yet been brought to the hall, and in fact, in two days, tomorrow, the first of may, is it possible to expect that this year we will get rid of this legacy of victory and on may 9 we will celebrate europe day together with all europeans, and so it will be there will be a day of remembrance for a day, this will be the day of europe. i am convinced that it will happen. well, you understand, it's not a matter of bureaucratic procedures or any decisions. i think that in

ukraine already, it's just how much everyone hates the russian peace and everything related to it. it is clear that it is not it already depends on the decision of some officials , one way or another, we will celebrate our days and holidays depending on how it is in the european union and we will have a single cultural and historical space with it, we are preparing for it now, and iryna koval is calling us directly ether thank you for these important words at the end of our conversation, serhiy taran , a political scientist, was with us on skype, and right now, my colleague iryna koval is ready to present the latest news release from the espresso editorial office, so iryna, thank you for the word maria greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel and i will really talk about the new shelling 15 on watches in ukraine news time on

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