because also on the street, so that civil society understands about our countries like these, over 60 in the world, what is happening in ukraine, so that the media understands, but also the most important thing is that politicians understand, because then they go out of the street into the corridors of their parliaments to work with deputies and senators, to convince them of what is necessary today that in ukraine today, our coordination is needed and we cooperate very closely with the office of the president, with the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine and the ministry of defense of ukraine, where we can add a lot of information to the leaders of our enterprises. the work of that army is the main thing. and the first thing we ask for is weapons for ukraine . i see that the countries that voice for provide, but then our work and

things to say that diplomats very often cannot speak to others . stop therefore completely embarvo because the equator of russian products is mandatory. the third is the european integration of ukraine. we hope that in june ukraine will not be given the status of a candidate for the european union, and we are working hard with all the countries of the european union to convince you that this will happen. well, if talk about how the world congress of ukrainians can help spread realistic information about what is happening, because we know that the russian state spends crazy money on propaganda, and this propaganda is nowhere true, children.

the international community affects us, it affects many people in the united states, canada, european countries, the fact that there are letters from intellectuals, like in germany, demanding not to supply weapons to ukraine. this is a great proof of how this propaganda works, and we see it even in countries like canada where it is said that we should not arm the so-called nazi battalions, there is a lot of propaganda against the azov battalion, and it is very important that we, as speedy ukrainians, speak about this truth and it is important also that we, e-e format e to such things as ours, join ukraine and even ukraine where this is a charitable initiative where we will collect funds for the purchase of non-lethal weapons for the defenders of ukraine and it is possible for people to feel that this is

necessary to protect ukraine to protect the defenders, and the second is that there is also an action that we are starting called the day of russia's shame, where on may 9 the global action will be led by a group of ukrainians to show that the russian empire does not have the right to announce victory day on may 9 because they have become as criminal as the nazis whom they overcame, and therefore we will turn the ninth of may into a day of shame for russia, and we oppose this russian propaganda, which we also promote our ukrainian world, and it is very important that we attract all the refugees who left ukraine to our non-governmental organizations that they were not part of the organization of russian peace around the world, which is very actively working today to assimilate those ukrainians in which they would travel from ukraine, so we will call on we call on all ukrainians

refugees to join our communities all over the world so that their children go to ukrainian schools to ukraine a dobor sensor so that they join public life abroad i want to ask you such a difficult question but we should discuss it i think it is important both for you and for of ukrainians in our country and in the world i am somewhere i think in the early 90s, maybe in the late 80s, in the early 90s, i was one of the participants in this meeting, who is one of your predecessors in the position of president of the world congress of ukrainians yuriy shimko spent in moscow with activists of ukrainian organizations in russia that were just beginning to appear in the russian federation, then still in the soviet union , even before the national movement began in

ukraine itself, a national movement of such legal types , because gorbachev's perestroika made it possible to put forward such initiatives that were absolutely not acceptable for ukraine shcherbytskyi and here we created a society of ukrainian culture in moscow slavutych created a ukrainian youth club e-e created a library for ukrainian activists ukrainian literature, which was prosperous under putin, was destroyed. it was in the center of moscow in a special building built for him. these were not very numerous organizations. nevertheless, they were organizations that presented the ukrainian roots of many citizens of the russian federation and not only in moscow. but also in other cities of russia. now we not only do not hear the voice of russian ukrainians, it is absent as a class. we hear the voice of certain russian activists of the russian anti-war committee of russia. dealt with businessman mykhailo khodorkovsky and

other figures say that this war is putin's crime, some free journalists who talk about the inadmissibility of this war, but these are mostly russians, ethnic russians who perceive the shame of their country in this way, millions of ukrainians live in russia, not tens of thousands maybe this is the largest ukrainian diaspora in the world, but it turned out to be a dead diaspora , and why do you know? the ambassador of israel to the soviet union, the jews came there, they were all silent for stalin, well, they just looked at her and were silent, and that was already the fact that they came, already the events maybe one day these people will also come silently, then the ambassador of ukraine who will go to some impressive event in russia i don't know, but for me it is catching up with a certain age, sir, you noted that the most difficult

issue is the anti-ukrainian policy, it is not even a question of democracy in russia, because it is already a friend. this is the genocide of the ukrainian people, we saw it during the famine of the 1930s, we see it today, that these screws are the most difficult issue for ukrainians in russia, that is why it is impossible to be ukrainian today in russia, until a year and a half ago we had an active public organization that today, everyone has already been closed, it has already become a criminal responsibility to have any connections with the holy congress of ukrainians, and our letters are also under criminal threat to have any connections with world ukrainians with i spoke personally and it goes without saying that this is the chauvinism of the russians against the ukrainians. we must

first understand this, because without it, as you do not understand it, we then think that well, there are some issues that may apply, frankly speaking, not yet the government will change until this mentality changes in small towns in russia. unfortunately, it will continue to be impossible to be ukrainian in russia, or even where ukrainians are bought. it’s just that. do you understand this kind of question? i absolutely agree with this, but it turns out that ukrainians are russian federation approximately in this situation in which the jews were in the soviet union, you remember it was simply not possible to be a jew, it is written there in the passport that it is jews you have to hide it from everyone from whom you can hide it better, even from your own wife and children, maybe you need some kind of program and not the ukrainian state, but rather the world congress of ukrainians to help people who feel they are ukrainians leave the russian federation, well, you can't call it your homeland a country that doesn't

allow you to be who you are, believe me i know very well from this soviet experience that we should allow the status of a political refugee, as it was before under the soviet union, that these ukrainians can leave the russian federation and become political refugees, and i fully agree that this policy is correct and it is necessary but we can also learn a lot from israel and how they even treat themselves in terms of their own security , but unfortunately, i can say frankly that we expect more from israel to help ukraine, because they themselves suffered from the soviet union and from the russian fascist policy and that is why we are calling on our jewish friends, the state, to more actively help and support ukraine in

this struggle, we have to do it together, but you are what you say to me exactly now it depends on the speed about ukrainians, about et- let's say this about ethnic ukrainians, and with russian passports, and because you are right, that is a russian jew, he will leave russia now. he will go to the state of israel and give him a passport, he will not be considered no political refugee will be considered just his citizen velk. and if an ethnic ukrainian with a russian passport finds himself in any european country, he will simply not get to ukraine, because there is no chance that he will be perceived as a russian in the united states or canada as any other which ethnic russian is overkill or is there an angle and he has more problems that you are talking about now, the problem that he is discriminated against on the basis of his national origin and that is that is very boring note and we also have to look those ukrainians who were taken from the occupied territories to russia, how will they be dealt with, what

will be the countermeasures, and simply because of the conditioning of those ukrainians who were taken out of ukraine to the russian federation, then there is a clean bill of lading there, and that is why it is a more difficult question than saying that any ethnic ukrainian should be a refugee, because you are, we will support it and encourage it, but we must also understand that many ukrainians, unfortunately, are conditioned by this russian propaganda policy, and that is why it is very difficult, but still we have to work with them. this is just an informational attack that even many ukrainians who live in ukraine and how big chi who live in russia and we hear stories like how a family from ukraine calls their family in russia and cannot find god because that is what they understand the situation of even ukrainians in russia, what is happening in ukraine, it is this komi, it is a different world, it is an

unconditional condition, it is a huge problem for even for ethnic ukrainians in russia well, you know for sure what about the ukrainian audience in russia now it is almost impossible some sources eh use to reach you know that the echo of moscow radio station was fined even after its closure only because in one of its programs the presenters used the ukrainian language on the air, it was not a ukrainian-language program, i'll tell you, in the 90s i hosted a ukrainian-language program on the moscow airwaves nobody knows me fined, it was just a program of an hour of the ukrainian language, everyone will be very happy then, oh, you can listen to the ukrainian language, now they were fined for the fact that there were simply elements of the ukrainian language on the russian air how to talk to people when all this is prohibited, it's just that with the bars, zagratova said they are prohibited, what can we do as a journalist, it's not even a question of playing in russia, it's even a question of playing

uh, i'm talking about the psychological games that ethnic russians have all over the world, we see such countries and the western european north american market, where there is a press war, but they still listen to their russian channels and they believe that they are cheating russian tv channels, we see there are many examples when it goes threats against ukrainians are everywhere, ukrainian tables are being torn down, ukrainian flags are being torn down, whether in canada or the united states, uh, where, where, really , it’s not only in russia, but it’s their russian propaganda. they’re listening and everywhere in the world, and we see it coming social in europe in other regions, even in italy, how hard is this russian propaganda working to zombify

russians all over the world, it’s not only us in russia, let’s just have our this conversation can include such an agreement between us and you what will we think about an information resource for ukrainians in russia to save them from this, so that the world congress of ukrainians might become the founder of this resource . maybe even with those russian activists who condemn the war are ready to fight against the war and are ready to finance such resources for their fellow citizens who are ethnic ukrainians need the russians themselves to recognize that ukrainians today are a persecuted people of russia and that they live in russia, of course i am happy to accept this proposal and let's work together to make this very same information network transfer, but we work with ethnic russians abroad, who themselves cannot find a way to transfer this information in russia, but let's think, because it is very important, in a printed way, so that we, as ukrainians, can live like neighbor to

neighbor, like everyone become a democracy so that they open up to the world and here only then will it be possible to live peacefully with those reasons. thank you, mr. pavlo. i would like to remind the participants of our broadcast today that the president of the holy congress of ukrainians , pavlo grot, i wish you success with the help of ukraine in this i would say perhaps the most responsible moments for the state and for your organization, which has always united caring people who have preserved their identity, you can say in the most difficult conditions, this is also a great lesson for everyone here in ukraine who is now protecting this identity even in difficult times. thank you together to victory glory to ukraine glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mykolamush former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine advisor to the president of ukraine general of the army congratulations congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mr. mykola i am you i don't see it, but i can already hear it, and i see it, not just hear it

. well, let's still try to understand what goals the russian army is setting for itself in this situation. we talked at the beginning of this broadcast with serhiy rakhmanin. -e donbas says that now russia is collecting an incredible amount of military equipment , is intensifying its actions in donbas, is shelling even villages with ballistic missiles, our viewers have heard all this, and you are the only ones who know this information, after all, can we assume that it is starting now the intensification of russian efforts to establish control over the donbass at least until the victory parade in moscow on may 9. well, it should be clearly noted that the first phase, which they declared , the seizure of ukraine failed . and the transformation into

russia or novorossia, it actually worked and the military machine russia, which was apparently the second most powerful in the world, the system failed, well, no, other goals, other myths, others, so to speak, already send to russian society, or even to the world, because today lavrov even said to china that we already have a different goal, the fight with nato countries, already with the west, this is such a general strategic position, and specifically in order to show that there is a real chance for some kind of victory that such tasks are strategic, to capture our country , the only remaining question is to seize the territories that are already partly controlled by russian troops. well, in parallel, it is clear to break through the southern corridor transnistria, but to crimea, therefore, in this situation, today's effort is like the last decisive battle , so to speak. they already foresee that because there are no more resources in the system, neither technological nor human, today, therefore, they are trying to

concentrate all forces today, all reserves in the donetsk direction, in the izyum direction, on zaporizhia was understood in tauriysk. that is, these are the directions that stand as number one today, and rassol believes that by degenerating these last reserves and the number of mobilization resources are weak. but really it is 40-50 thousands, which we can still pull up, they are pulling up there through the eastern districts of the central and belgorod already there, it has already gone according to the full program, partly through the crimea, it is clear that in this situation they are now trying to advance, at least as they say, partly, although kilometers, but strategically they have milking points to the borders of donetsk of luhansk, all geographical and control zones in the south of the zaporizhzhia region in order to conduct negotiations regarding these territories regarding the so-called dpr, as putin already said, we have two positions that have arisen today after those first negotiation processes, which were

in parentheses, now the question has already been raised, in addition to these positions on the neutral status of the date of non-admission, the question is raised about the fact that we already call the dnr of the lpr officially ukraine, but within the geographical territory of the crimea for russia, what is not adopted in principle for ukraine, and even more so i will say that even those resources that have been generated today, even individual offensive actions against individual villages there several kilometers away, in fact, we do not have resources today, if objectively this situations, russian resources, yes, they are still large, but not in many situations, many units are exhausted, there are no direct ones, we say promptly, i will promptly return information on the motivation to die on the territory of our state, we already see a lot of people refusing or shooting among themselves in order not to attack, these are already concrete facts, but in many, many units and defeat the village-signature as we together, they said, a powerful, motivated army united by the people

of ukraine is beyond the teeth of any aggressive aggressive country, primarily russian therefore, putin miscalculated strategically and all these offensives are his. i think that the last attempts to do something demonstrate before the ninth show that there are already some victories in order to declare that they have really achieved some goal, and then on this basis already formats are possible additional resources have been especially prepared for the mobilization of the already full-blooded, although this will lead to systemic problems of the russian federation and the perspective to the collapse of russia as a whole, you understand here is what the issue is in russia, i can clearly see that now the process of supplying ukraine with heavy weapons began and the ministers of more than forty countries talked about it at the rammstein rammstein meeting of the minister of defense. you know that the bundestag voted for such a

supply , although they did not even expect it. politicians of the world, before our broadcast, i read the statement of the head of the christian social union of the german bavarian e-e pyodar, the prime minister of the federal land of bavaria, who at the beginning of the war called on the german government to be careful, now he is criticizing the german government for not supplying ukraine with heavy weapons. two or three weeks ago, i weighed and i think that now there should be a concentration of these putin's efforts and how to oppose them, well, first of all, we understand that putin clearly foresees this strategic image of victory, which he planned and achieved today in the near future, and on the other hand, this is what you and i have just mentioned, this is the supply of new weapons , a whole range of the latest weapons that were previously in the country, this is

strategic already and anti-missile comics, anti-tank complexes, radio technical complexes , offensive weapons are dovbyshi self-propelled tanks, which are delivered by airplanes and more what is important is that there was not before, in principle, there were gift prohibitions of the legislative power in the usa, in britain, in germany, in other e-intelligence and counter-intelligence, the transfer of secret information, especially secret that is obtained by extremely effective but closed means, this is not only agency intelligence, the technical development of space intelligence, this is what actually controls every square meter and the movement of russians , today russia is facing such a huge threat , military, technological, radio-technical, and the most important thing is that today putin was scared, this is the formation of a new big bloc, at least 40 countries, but this is not only a political bloc, diplomatically, economically, as we say, the financial system, and already militarily, it already has new models

security of the holy new model of the world order which is directed against what a against russia against the aggressor and will cope with such a powerful blo we are talking about specific forces and in the armory that are delivered practically overwhelming really in the format is also in a hurry because he is still counting possible some because what he is involved in today maybe they will give some success, but i will say more. already even russia itself and putin's entourage no longer believe in strategic success, i think that somehow we will at least end the war , but on some favorable terms, and then of course he wants so far, this is some kind of big victory, which is what he is talking about today. putin himself is already sandboxing lavrov, but the representatives of the ministry of defense are already there, but this will not work , and one more moment, how would they hurry up, which is especially important with the fact that how fast is the supply of weapons, the weapons have already been arriving for the last several months for two weeks, they mastered their main missile

complexes, which have already arrived today, and they are operating today in the donetsk, kharkiv, and zaporizhzhia directions. direction against ship anti-aircraft, which today are even being demonstrated legally, there will not be an easy move, which on this i hope to win something today, will not win today, just that it has held out longer, this is the number one task today, deter in all directions where it is possible to counterattack, engage in special operations with this so as not to hundred- have struck now especially at important points where they are trying to carry out an offensive, but from the flanks in order to organize the enemy today, and i think in 2-3 weeks we will already master the new equipment in the new armament and in principle, there will be no chance of promotion, putin already has an idea today, i’ll say it directly, hidden information is already in various formats, unofficial channels are

working, as it were, for negotiations, as it were, spending on those conditions that are beneficial to him, but already, uh, according to the leadership ukraine is taking a principled position, only the conditions will be beneficial to ukraine and we have clearly defined all positions and there will be no conditional recognition of crimea, recognition of the so- called dpr of the lpr or other services at the expense of the territory or sovereignty of our state, can you imagine i wonder if putin would agree to such a peace agreement that would provide for the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, but it seems to me that for putin crimea is the foundation on which his authoritarian regime is based, but let's say the head of the british ministry of foreign affairs lis trass says that ukraine has every right to release all its territories occupied by the russians, and especially emphasize that crimea is also included in this list, not only donbas. well, first of all, it is clear that we have a strategy of especially active offensive in this

situation i did not stop at some individual territories occupied by russia, but it is clear that the question is raised in crimea and donbas as a whole and in a different way in the territories that are currently occupied by the occupiers, so there are no restrictions here, the only situation is that today there can be two scenarios if we are talking about the reality of the first scenario is that we are preparing inefficiently and for about 1.5-2 months we will conduct all offensive operations and then, if we really have all the opportunities, we can even liberate the territories the second scenario i see that it is being worked out, and from our side it is possible, so to speak, to carry out an active offensive operation, but with the aim, so to speak, of ensuring some kind of, so to speak, format of not allowing new wives on our terms, to conclude a preliminary agreement for the time being, for the time being, crimea will be put on hold or donetsk luhansk all the regions that were captured earlier, you can also work on these two scenarios today, there are a few more

that we will not voice today, but the first scenario is the priorities for ukraine and it is the main one i think that on the basis of our great successes, with the help of the great efforts of our partners, first of all, military, diplomatic, operative, i am under strong pressure that there will be no prospects for russia, putin himself, on the other hand, it may be just such a more local format, but it also leads to peace and conclusion of an agreement on the terms of ukraine, but without consideration of the issue of crimea and donbas, those regions that existed before february 24, this is my scenario, which is less accepted, but it may also be because he was working today. this is what i see negotiating groups, on the other hand, it can speed up the conditions for peace, but in this situation, why can putin go for such a format, this is the second scenario, because to some extent he saves his face , he tells his society about some successes there, about the fact that they dismantled ukraine from the bottom the potential is there. and he can

say anything in order to show that he still did not lose, if at this stage he understood that he still has some chances, are there any regimes of his for a certain period, maybe long, but that is why it should be stopped accordingly real military operations, offensive operations, even of our troops, he has no chance in the second scenario. then there will be a complete collapse of putin and russia itself, even with the presence of nuclear weapons. well, ukrainian society will accept the option when the peace agreement does not include the territory occupied by the russians in the 14th year, because our citizens also live there, you are actually leaving them as hostages in the hands of putin for an unknown period of time, but this situation will now be and the situation is difficult in ukrainian society, because the request for peace, but undefined interests in peace are extremely high, even the patriotic part has traveled, so to speak, all the regions where hostilities are taking place in the kyiv region, there is also the period and ascadia of the aggressor, and i

am talking to all the military and leaders, it is clear that no one will surrender the territory of ukraine - this is clear and there is no chance for the russian federation, but also the military village of myrne, the citizens are interested in peace being established after all, but on the conditions of the country, yes, indeed, these scenarios are difficult to bring crimea under control for the time being, it is possible for donetsk luhansk oblast to be the fifth creation, which was previously busy, but a large part of it is also inclined for a certain period to go to the peace process, not to surrender the territory, while some today for 24 were outside ukraine and it is clear the prospects to ask the question when will the regime be really weakened, necessarily established after the return of crimea and donbass but already in the second period , there are such scenarios, of course, part of society will not accept it, but there are realities that can be accepted already at the level and level of the leadership of ukraine and our partners, because war is always worse than peace, of course, but

peace has begun decently for this period. thank you , mykola. let me remind you that we had a guest, the former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, mykola malamush. we will continue this broadcast in literally 10-15 minutes, and now i i will pass the floor to my colleague irina koval, who will introduce you to vita's news release. just a few minutes ago, there was information about the possible evacuation of residents from mariupol today. i will tell you everything in more detail. literally in a moment. at 6 p.m. in the studio of iryna koval and news time on the espresso tv channel, the evacuation of mariupol residents can begin today, but the ukrainian side still