200,000 tons per month before the war. we exported about five million tons every month, and there is good news that the baltic countries and poland have agreed to help us here. to prevent a catastrophe with the help of our western partners, our closest neighbors, i will also add romania to this list, because ukraine is also because of constance, and others, however, romania, as far as i know, there is also an agreement that they will be used. but what is the problem with romania is that it is also a black sea country. and we are limited in the use of the waters of the black sea due to the fact that the russian federation decided to mine the approaches to odessa at the beginning of the war and now those minuses find the bosphorus, that is, you discover the black sea. odessa is the

north and the bosphorus is the south. sea ​​where these mines are located. that is, i do not have information about how safe it is to use the black sea now in general, not only for ukraine, but also for romania and bulgaria, that is, other black sea countries, and it is certainly good that our partners in the baltic countries and in poland will help us, but this will make the price of these caps more expensive because the un, which, by the way, on april 11, created a special body that will monitor food security issues due to military actions in ukraine , they note that one more problem besides shortages are an increase in prices because they understand that even if ukraine transports its grains, for example, through poland and then through

the baltic countries to other countries, this will lead to an increase in the price of these grains, that is, the ship is under its own power which sails from poland to africa and the ship that sails from odesa through the busfor, the marble sea of ​​the dardanelles, the mediterranean sea, everything and it is in africa . that is, the ukrainian route is much cheaper for us, and the bypass routes are more expensive, but they will forget that the price will still increase great danger absolutely this is a really important aspect that you emphasized and er let's also say that the efforts of the ministry of agricultural policy are still very important now all these meetings with our partners in lithuania in the republic of lithuania in poland and all these countries have announced that they are ready to load part of ukrainian grain for export

. ukraine is also concerned with the food atrocity, so without authority, which is committed in the direction of simply an actual attack on world food security, challenges global governance leads to a sharp increase in the price of energy and lack of food security in the world . we hope that this terminal will work effectively and russia will be brought to justice as soon as possible. well, first of all, we hope for the armed forces of ukraine, which will clear our land of the enemy as soon as possible and give it not only to ukraine, but also the world to breathe easy today, the congressmen of the united states of america who came to polish ryasiv and talked about ukraine also talked about the fact that food is good food is light and

the one who tries to attack this food security. this is the real enemy of the whole world, that's why the world is actually on the side of ukraine and we hope that our victory is close - close, because we really have such powerful friends and with them we simply have no other choice. we are a nation of winners and we hope that it will be as soon as possible. well, as soon as possible . ivan us was our guest, an economist from the national institute of strategic studies. thank you, mr. ivan, and in the meantime, let's move on to the next part of our conversation, let's talk about energy security. this is also important in summing up this week we should also pay attention to this issue. mykhailo gonchar is in touch with us, energy expert and president of the center for global studies, strategy 21. greetings, mr. mykhailo. good day. i apologize for having to wait a little bit. but we have a lot to discuss, let's start with

an extraordinary meeting. energy ministers of the european union countries will discuss gas blackmail of russia after gazprom stopped supplying gas to poland and bulgaria on may 2 obligates foreign gazprom contractors to pay for russian gas in rubles from april 1. poland, in particular, did not agree to this. there is also fresh news that the government and companies of finland are preparing to stop the supply of natural gas from russia in may. well, what are your feelings? prospects for when europe will abandon the gas embrace of the russian federation and what will actually be the main effect of this meeting, which is planned for tomorrow, by the energy ministers of the european countries well, i think the maximum that can be expected from this

the meeting is a confirmation of the repauler plan, which was considered, in particular, by the european commission on the recommendation of the international energy agency, where it is about how to achieve a reduction in gas consumption by the countries of the european union, that is, giving up russian gas through a full embargo is not seen in the european union in the short term realistically , but realistically, it is a prospect, so to speak, to sharply reduce gas consumption, it is possible and an ambitious price , the goal is set for two-thirds of e-e in minus imports of russian gas until the end of the year. of course, there are, so to speak, those eu member states that are in the vanguard of which did not need to be persuaded, and there are also those who are varyagards, and more precisely, they will master this whole

course of the european commission, well, about the first well, we know that it is the baltic countries and poland that announced that they were working on this systemically, and finland was also a pleasant case, which changed its position quite sharply and categorically, but it should be noted that finland, too, had been working on this for the last few years. that we will celebrate our gas supplies and energy in general, it is not worth talking about hungary, it is strike-breakers and opponents, but i think that whatever the position of the european union in principle, it was formulated to putin immediately a few days after his ultimatum regarding transition to the ruble in gas payments. this proposal was rejected. it was also rejected at the level of the national eu member states. in spite of everything that

orban expressed in favor of such a possibility, he was a little mocked, but russia went on to act differently. by way of getting a boost in brussels and in the capitals of the eu member states, they began to work with business entities. well, it is clear that you can collect a certain number of such people, and now we are talking about the fact that there are actually companies in the european union that have opened gazprombank accounts and are ready to work in the equivalent of that, if russia had made such two demonstrative cases in poland and bulgaria. they say er if the approach equivalent to all, either you pay in rubles or you don’t

get gas, they didn’t want to pay in rubles right away, that’s why we stop gas supply here, in principle, this is a hint to the european union, quite frank about what they say if it doesn’t stick to the kremlin’s position, you won’t actually get it gas and russia, gazprom is nothing to do with it, you europeans in this case made the poles there, lars, your choice, that's why you won't get gas. i think that this blackmail, one way or another, will not pass as a whole at the level of the european union, because as i already said he noted that poland was preparing and its statements about what is happening with russian gas were heard about them a long time ago bulgaria does not have such a large total consumption and has the opportunity to, in principle, solve the problem with alternative supplies

, it was about the fact that it is possible to get more azerbaijani gas and through the terminals in greece and turkey to get liquefied gas in a gasified form, so this intended crime is, so to speak, a public whipping of poles and bulgarians , it will not have any consequences in my opinion on the contrary, i think that even those who are more loyal to russia and are trying to secede say that the war against ukraine is one case, and gas from russia is another case, and let's not mix it all up, this is a very characteristic position. things for austria and its current prime minister hamer and minister of foreign affairs schallenberg and constantly emphasize that it is necessary to spread all this. but nevertheless, no matter what , this is the approach of russia. it

will more likely generate more resistance than readiness go in the vanguard of russian whims in spite of everything because there will always be straitbreakers, so to speak. but i think that they do not create a critical mass, mr. mykhailo, and by the way, i wonder what your view is on the further fate of nord stream-2, is this question clearly defined or is there after all, unity and will this gas pipeline, as he proposed and emphasized the need for exactly such a decision , the president of the republic of poland, because duda has been dismantled, will the world return to this issue as soon as ukraine deals with russian aggression, which would be an extremely undesirable effect for us. of course, from the point of view of the decisions made there, let's say the nord stream 2 m

. this is also crazy costs, uh, who will pay for these? gazprom will not do this, the germans will not do it either, that's why it is simply necessary to bring its dysfunctional state, figuratively speaking, to drill some the number of holes in this pipe and then it will be finally buried because the temptation to use it will always be in the future of course there will be so-called pragmatists who will say that well, the russian-ukrainian war is over, let's go back to business as usual, especially if there will be some new regime - in russia, putin is disappearing somewhere over the taiga or tundra, and so on, that's why you really need to make an effort here, moreover, you need to make an effort to eliminate

the nord stream, the first is about and kills, but from it it all started in the baltic sea. and by the way, there have already been several proposals from our side and naftogaz and the operator of the road transport system, and from the polish side at the state level from the mouth of the prime minister of aravelsky that it is necessary to turn off the nord stream first to force the aggressor to use the infrastructure through ukraine for the supply of gas to europe, because actually what goes through the nord stream first, it also went through our road transport system until 2011, so i think that it is just possible that this question will not be tomorrow in the center of the discussion of the meeting of the european union, but it will definitely be discussed in the polars. poland, as a member of

the european union, continues to insist on this , and the more so it is very well described. these are the sanctions packages from the european union, the eu itself uh, from the point of view of, let's say, the volume of gas supply, nothing is lost if we are talking now about the need to fill underground gas storages for the next heating season uh, but, so to speak , force to interrupt the kremlin's game, so far the kremlin is dictating brussels has its own conditions, and it is only possible to break the kremlin's game with non-standard steps, is the european bureaucracy capable of this? no, it is not capable, but still, the political will of the leading eu leaders can play its role, especially if there is also appropriate pressure from the warehouses and great britain what

societies are there in some european countries that also go out to protests and remind about everything that is happening now in ukraine about the crimes committed by the russian army and also encourage their governments to take more active actions in support of ukraine and against the dominance of the russian federation in world energy, but interestingly, we still have a few minutes left for mikhail, and such material was released these days, the former vice president of gazprom bank igor golubuev told in a video interview with denis kazansky, as well as in an interview with the publication liga.net about russia's gas wars against ukraine, which began in the early 2000s, and actually they were to show the whole world that the ukrainian hts emergency pipes are rotten, it is expensive to reconstruct the system, and ukraine is not a conscientious transitor of russian gas and a thief.

i am convinced that you have seen this material. and you know about the fresh testimony of the ex-vice president of hasprom bank volobuyev, he says that all these information policies, or rather information lies , russia in general was directed precisely to build all these lawns around the ukrainian gts and nord stream and turkish stream and then nord stream-2 and as a result, the volume of transit of russian gas fell from 104 billion in 2011 to 41 billion cubic meters in 2021. how do you evaluate this material, in fact, it means that russia before the war the takeover of ukraine was being prepared since the early 2000s, it is no secret for me, i have been dealing with this issue very deeply since the 90s, a lot of articles, books have been written, er, so for me, it is

important only as conventionally speaking, er, documentary confirmation of a witness from the side that took an active part in the development of these special operations against ukraine, by the way, it is very important to agree that sooner or later the responsibility must come that these are documentary, you can say, confirmation of all this. and the fact that i, for example, personally tried on dozens of different european conferences, to bring to the ears of officials european experts that this russian game is double-bottomed, that we are directed not only against ukraine, but also against you, to seize your market, well, the traditional answer of european bureaucrats was that you know, well, there are your russian- ukrainians, there are some conflicts there, both countries are not members of the eu, and we are not interested in what

is happening between you there, please sort things out among yourselves. and we pay money and have to get gas for us. it does not matter who is to blame, russia stopped the supply of gas or ukraine interrupted the transit, the fact is that we did not receive gaza paid the money, so you take care of it. this is not our business , and in principle, this is the position of the european bureaucracy of many at the level of national governments , it was in fact favorable for gazprom, for russia, therefore that they achieved their goal there, they did not need brussels to accuse ukraine of stealing gaza, it is important that ukraine was not trusted in the same way . i could give many examples of how i once argued with the minister of economy of the czech republic about the fact that he repeated these

propaganda narratives and it was already the 15th year, there were no longer any schemes on our pipes. reforming the gas sector and so on, but nevertheless, the narratives of the middle in the arctic e-e were calmly repeated because russian propaganda continued to rebroadcast all this, we must conclude, let's just say, with such testimonies as the one from the ex-vice president of gazprom bank volobueva, the ukrainian media, we should note that we are first of all citing these testimonies that the vice-president of the russian gazprombank, the manager of ukrainian origin left russia for ukraine, joined the ranks of the teroborona to defend his homeland, he is from okhtyrka, sumy oblast, and actually his yes, mr. mykhailo, and the parents of this ex-manager from the point lived in the basement for a month, yes. well, he is now defending ukraine, and that is why we are talking about these

testimonies in general, but we hope that they will form the basis those investigations that will be conducted by the international tribunal regarding the russian federation that all the funds lost by us during these years of discrediting ukraine, our transport system and our management will be reimbursed to ukraine from russian reserves. in donbas in the 14th year, this was also the basis for motivating nord stream-2, but it is important that he also spoke on this topic, we are waiting for new evidence and mykhailo gonchar, an energy expert and the president of the strategy 21 center for global studies, was my guest. well, right now, an important conversation about human rights is boris zakharov, the human rights defender of boris

vitau. of denisova this week, denisa, you met in strasbourg with the commissioner of the council of europe for human rights, dunmiyatovych, ukrinform wrote about this. territories temporarily occupied by russia in more than a million. such data are given by high-ranking officials of russia and they are probably very close to what the situation actually looks like. it is recognized that more than a million residents of our territories, including 182,000 children, are the forced deportation of our citizens. they are in to the russian federation in a lawless situation, they are deported without their

, if any development, without consent, they don’t ask for it anywhere. they don’t even want it in principle . and no matter where they want to live, they are deported to depressed regions of the russian federation, well, what can we say about, first of all, the goals of the occupiers, we talk about this regularly, mr. boris, and we will talk about it, and how to fight these coercive operations in the spirit of stalin's times. well, we can not control the situation with the occupied territories, we can only to state that this is a crime against humanity, that it can be an element of one of the elements of the crime of genocide, and because such forced deportation on such a scale can be one of the crimes of genocide, and we must of course, to document all these facts, to try to

help people who got into such a situation to leave there in some way, but to influence it in the occupied territories. we cannot in many places, for example, in mariupol, on the left bank of mariupol and in other places, there are such conditions that people they want to leave, they want to leave for the territory under the control of ukraine, but they are still forcibly taken to russia, there they end up in filtration camps, and who , in their opinion, carries any responsibility for the russian authorities threats are noticed there and they even send donetsk to isolation. we know such cases. by the way, mr. borisov, let's talk about the terrible treatment and torture suffered by

our fellow citizens in prisons in filtration camps. in particular, the other day, facts were published with journalists about -e people, for example, are forced to tear off patriotic tattoos from their skin with sharp stones about the fact that crimes of a sexual nature are being committed against them well, this is actually very, very scary and i would also like to talk separately about the responsibility of parents and they are placed there in some russian families and a lot of other crimes are glued together. at the same time, other crimes are committed by russians - this is murder, torture , aiming fire at civilian targets, and so on. regarding the international criminal tribunal, what does it change for us? i would like to hear you on this topic

. opportunities to contact relatives if they watch this broadcast. let's say what needs to be done. well, in principle, in russia, you can also use vpn and so on to quietly receive information from your homeland. in this way, they have to choose land routes and try to get to western countries. we know the facts that such people could leave and this is the best way or sit quietly until the situation with the war is resolved, we will win and then it will be possible to return to the motherland in peace, sir, fight the international criminal tribunal for investigation and prosecution for crimes of aggression

committed by the political and military leadership of the russian federation was initiated in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe this week, from there earlier we will remind you that the russian federation was excluded. be the next steps of the world to bring russia and its top leadership, as well as individual war criminals to justice, it is already absolutely clear that this will happen, but unfortunately the situation in order for this to happen, we must win first because putin's regime must be overthrown and then these war criminals can be tried, but individual war criminals can already be tried, in particular the pilots who were captured by ukraine

and many other prisoners for whom it can be established that they participated in war crimes, crimes against humanity, it is also possible to search through interpol, to focus on criminal cases, to investigate them, to announce them on suspicion and to search for them through interpol, etc. we need to change the legislation finally, the statute or not, which so-so ratifies the rome statute. and we must also finally sign the law on war criminals, which has already been adopted by the verkhovna rada, because we only have one article 438 in the criminal code, which refers to the rule

customs of war violation of the rules of customs of war and we have non-romanized legislation with international law, international humanitarian law, international criminal law, we need to do this and, er, prosecute war criminals. i am sure that there will be a separate tribunal, but even if the international criminal court investigates the crimes of russia in this war in general, it is also so good , now human rights organizations are engaged in documenting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and it is likely that this is a committed crime of genocide , and i think that this war will greatly affect the development international humanitarian law e.e. in the world in general thank you, mr. boryssa borys zakharov , human rights defender, director of the charity fund, man and law, and the humanitarian studio kharkivska wave the human rights group was in touch with us after

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