for example, rapes in the kyiv region are so massive, is that the point of it? of course, this is not a vain thing , the main initiator of this war and these crimes and the one who sent these people to commit crimes in ukraine . must be brought to court and all these people must be held accountable, and i think that it is of course much more difficult to bring the elites to justice, but the more precedents are proven of what crimes were committed on the territory of ukraine by the russian federation, it will be even greater. well, you know, such a factor of pressure and a factor of uh, on possible actions at the level of other institutions. i mean all these conversations about the need to reform

the un security council, about the need to recognize ukraine as a terrorist by russia, and other things, if all are proven these lawsuits, in addition to the fact that these people, war criminals, must be held accountable, in addition, it can affect the attitude towards the state in general and what you know , when in russia they tell delusions and lies that there are supposed to be negotiations on the lifting of sanctions there . well, all this nonsense about the russian language, which lavrov repeated once again, it could happen that, you know, it is still necessary to try very hard, will russia find someone to, in principle, sit at the same table with the russian federation for serious negotiations and the more evidence there is of all these crimes, the more demands there will be, and they will be clearer in relation to russia itself, not just in relation to individual personnel, but in relation to what the russian federation should be like as a country so that it is possible to deal with it in principle

it was necessary to have any kind of conversation at all about something . of course, all this must be recorded, but it must be continued, and judicial enforcement of these court decisions is necessary, well, at least an effort and at the level of institutions so that it would have such a voluminous reaction. if i may add that even if we imagine that in russia it will be possible for putin, the new putin is not possible now after the defeat of russia there in 20 30 years we know that russia has this pendulum, after the defeat they swing to such a more democratic the more liberal side is making reforms, gathering forces again, militarizing again and creating a despot on the throne for themselves, so that later no one would say what it was like after the second world war, that no one raped those germans, you are making this all up just so that it would be recorded thank you very much yes yes

thank you, olesya yakhno, a political scientist, joined us and we are friends. i use real feminisms, i don't think that this is some kind of bad thing, and feminisms, for example, cannot actually be used or are difficult to use in english, they are very so muscular in this sense, the ukrainian language easily succumbs to the formation of feminine forms in this, and you can actually use it without any problems. i think that it is quite cool. and if it is what women want first of all, then why not move forward. and this is just answering to i just always followed the chat. i look at what the viewers write. your opinion is important to me. i can discuss with you a little there, uh, us at the moment. by the way, 11,000 viewers are watching. thank you. well, i have now about youtube, again, i say we still have

there is an hour left and uh, now our next guest is joining us, this is oleksandr from bryginets, i am satisfied, he is the people's deputy of ukraine of the seventh and eighth convocations, mr. oleksandr good evening good evening glory to ukraine glory to the heroes and well, mr. oleksandr, i would like to continue this question we here with ms. olesevi, he was already touched a little. this question , in particular, there on the ninth of may, but it also hides, in principle, a discussion that is already ongoing in such circles, let 's say intellectual ones. now russia, which has inherited here for its long presence and occupation very much from toponyms to street names over there. do we want to live with all that?

now we are at war with russia and here. well, what do you think about this? should this happen like this consul, as they say yes, i don't like this term . i don't like this idea a little. but nevertheless , should some russian culture be canceled and to what extent what to do with bulgakov, relatively speaking, in my opinion, the situation is such that we and every country that came there is a certain colonial period in one's life, one must spend everything related to decolonization, this is not only related to the war that is happening now, but, for example, it is related to the fact that a certain period of our history has a lot to do with it is related to ukraine, it was deliberately suppressed and replaced by what was done in russia, well, there was a powerful russification of the ukrainian elite, including what, relatively

speaking, if it were an independent state, and i think that bulgakov also killed gogol and other writers even if i don't always have a ukrainian position, i mean bulgakov or dostoyevsky, they could be ukrainian writers with certain ukrainian but anti-ukrainian texts, this is in every nation for more than you are in russia itself and anywhere, that is, let's say, the rejection of the very of the national idea, it is a part of any national idea in any country , so there is no problem here, but the problem is that it would still be a part of ukrainian culture and they would write in the ukrainian language and so this did not happen after that. and that is why today we must do everything to compensate for the spiritual damages that were inflicted on us during these years while we were in a colonial state, therefore, on the one

hand, i say once again that this is not related directly with the war and this, for example, is tied to many other wars that were with russia during these centuries and sometimes lost. so i have a question about the language. i myself really like bulgakov, for example, and i read it for the first time somewhere in the fifth grade read and well i mean now master and margarita is a wonderful book, and to a certain extent, there is hope for faust, somewhere for gogol, it is obvious. well , bulgakov himself does not seem to have denied these influences. well, they are actually obvious, if we talk about the master and margarita, well, at least the faustian motif is there, it is pedaled and it is not covered up, but eh what i wanted to say, you can always ask if you have read the master and margaritas in ukrainian. i honestly don't know if it exists. well, in lviv, in the late 90s, a well-known lviv psychiatrist, filts, made such a

translation and it was published as far as i know. i remember in parts, and it was such an attempt. this is actually a cultural appropriation. but the adoption of this text, which is about moscow, is actually about russia. but this kind of cultural appropriation is related to language, and on the other hand, it seems to me that it is not only a matter of language. when we are talking about russian culture, isn't it very often quite toxic in its essence and well and and when we decide that we accept dostoyevsky as a part of russia? ukrainian is also exposed to culture or me in such a case that we accept this toxic toxic element, that is, when we talk about gogol and his evenings on a farm near dykanka, they look very organic in the ukrainian translation because they are very ukrainian in essence, but they are in fact

, even in russian, it is impossible to wash it out of them , we feel, moreover, we know from them that in the time of gogol, ukrainian poltavshchyna or little russian poltavshchyna did not differ in any way in fact, culturally and ritually from the same galicia of prykarpattia or transcarpathia that it was a kind of cultural integrity andriy i will have an opinion here with which you will probably argue that it is absolutely not normal, but you understand, i remember the beginning of the 90s, when we created the territory and there was a very big discussion in society. this discussion was about whether ukrainian music should be different, or whether it can only be good, i.e. what did it mean, step by step music, symphonic music, and so on, it should be it is clear in ukrainian. this is pop, everyone there is up there, alya, and so on. this cannot be. this is

bad music, it is not spiritual, it is carried incorrectly, and so on. in this way, if it happened, normal journalists wrote about it, and good musicians deliberately talked about it. that this is good music because it's serious , it's deep, it's primitive moron, it's there for teenagers who are inferior and ended it, you know what it ended up with, that it is the simplest and the most primitive and the most understandable spectrum of ukrainian music, it remained under the control of russia, its culture, and thus what was not in our culture was replaced by the culture of another country, therefore i am deeply convinced that in one culture there must be different directions. they must contradict each other, they will have to be in conflict but they must exist and then the culture is rich when we can find everything we need within the framework of one culture, you need one thing, i need another, but this is all

in ukrainian culture, so when we talk about chekhov, who himself openly belonged to the ukrainian nation and he admitted it. dostoevsky , who did not recognize himself as ukrainian, but his sister recognized herself as ukrainian. in this way, it can be said that there can hardly be a brother in one family, which means that the brother is not ukrainian - this sister is ukrainian and so on and so on and so on and so on, it seems to me that all of this could somehow be considered as part of ukrainian culture in the broad sense of the word, in addition to that, i remember i had such a period somewhere i was 20 years old something like that, i read a lot of world literature on the subject of exoticism with great pleasure , that is, i was not interested so much. well, as a rule, i read nobel prizes that were translated well because others were translated poorly, because i was interested in what is there in africa, and what is there in latin america and what do people think there, how do they live? and what do they do

when we read, let's say bulgakov, especially if we are talking about the master and margari, we must understand that when we read this ether, we understand what people thought, what they did, if, how, exoticism, they didn't do it with us, it wasn't us, but we still have to understand what they think if they do it and if, uh, in our society there are people like the white guard and so on who are written out absolutely realistically and perfectly, and this contradicts in our opinion, their position is also, on the contrary , stimulating to ourselves. that is, we see these people in our opponents, and we understand this very well. when we watch new american action movies, to put it bluntly, or european deep philosophical tapes, we er when there is er something negative, do we read the bible where there is not clearly a force and

so on, do we not equate it without this force or do we not think that ok what is described here is such and such we should do so it seems to me that even the most disgusting er philosophy or the most unsuitable biology which it can exist, it has to exist so that people know that it is not they who invented it, that it is still yes. many of us, that is why we talked about this transformation of putin, hitler , to suppress it with olesev. here is an example for you - the case when we say that putin is infinitely the last years uses the word eh my struggle is hitler's struggle he knows that struggle is hitler's words that were used and this eh means pop culture headbands these mean black because they are red with a swastika and when we look at the photos which were used today by the russian army, we see that this cultural ideology is now in russia

and it doesn't matter whether it is good or bad, the key thing for us is that knowing the topic, we understand where it comes from and in this way if we did not know something about e- nazism is about him, well, there are some philosophical ones aesthetic, cultural, other things that were definitely there, we would look at the russian situation, and not knowing this, we thought to ourselves, “who is this and what is it connected with, because where are his legs and where does it grow from, and we all clearly know the whole the world knows this, they say that they are fascists, an organic part of the russian fascists, that is why i believe that there is no need to be afraid of the fact that some writer wrote something bad if he wrote it and if it is a ukrainian writer, let him write we will figure it out later well, there are a lot of people for me now you or they take over and write that bulgakov, uh, he has a predilection for ukrainian statehood

, he is a sincere sympathizer of persians, that he was a chauvinist and a ukrainophobe, well, there are many, many such posts now, it’s all true, but i’m sorry , when you watch skabeev or when you think you watch lavrov’s speeches or when you watch putin's speeches uh-uh, what do you uh-uh listen and think oh how wise he said no on the contrary, it helps you crystallize your feelings for this ideology but we don't consider them ukrainians well then what do you want to say that ukrainians, all ukrainians should be exclusively highly artistic , highly moral and correct people? there is no need to think that in ukraine, everyone. that is, we are talking about the mainstream. we are talking about what our majority is. skilfully, precisely, sincerely, highly spiritually and powerfully defends itself from russia, but we know that we have collaborators, we know that they are everywhere, we know that

they lead strange er-er, that means speeches, they behave very strangely and even for them, they are very human they vote, so you don’t have to think that everything was so simple in society. maybe i’m done. also, when you want to bring society to the same state in the same way so that everyone is good and everyone thinks the same and everyone is a patriot, you want to build russia there, everyone is equally good, equally patriots and everyone you have the same and they also have one channel, well, one television ideology, which we have , we had there, we also already have almost one channel, so permanence, let each person express himself as he wants, but at the same time, i would like the majority people in ukraine despite everything, despite the fact that there are otaki and such that they are like that, the majority of ukraine were like that, if all of us who watch the program today liked it and we believed that we are part of exactly

this direction of this culture, this, this national feature about tavria about ukrainian car tavria it was revolutionary to a certain extent because it was a car that was developed completely from scratch because all previous cars were one way or another somewhere, the engineers were very oriented, they already had ready-made designs those vases, those first ones, in general, were completely bought under a license, the first zaporozhets, by the way, it was also an outdated model, the german prince, and so on, but here they developed it from scratch and it was not put into production for several years. the fact is that they did not have time to develop it vaz-2108 and it was supposed to be the premiere, it was supposed to be a bigger, uh, if it was a more prestigious car for such a middle class and soviet, and then the tavria was only supposed to come out , because otherwise the tavria would have overtaken it and it would have been a guy from ukraine and so on. well, what is all this for?

this is if this is this fact is a complete fact that was told to me by people who were still involved with you , the engineers who developed all this and the same applied to absolutely everything, that is, in the first place in everything here was russian or something related to russia, they talked about delonization like actually, they did it on purpose, even they could have even invited ukrainian engineers and developers to do it in the kaliyat. therefore, it is absolutely clear to me that now they are saying to squeeze the juices out of all the nations that exist and give it to be russian, that's why when we say that we spend it means decolonization, it means that we should directly say that this anthem was this ukrainian anthem, this was wonderful, it was also ukrainian , you don’t need to pretend that everyone around here is russian,

everything that created the russian empire today, the bad, the good, and dostoevsky and the hater of ukraine, bulgakov, chekhov they are bad, they are different, but they all apply to ukraine and we should talk about it, not think, and if he is there, there is something bad , we don't like it, and let him be a russian, russians should understand what is special about them but there is nothing, they did not convene those peoples whom they robbed of their full moral, aesthetic, cultural, and so on. i simply proceed from the fact that since there were no serious changes in us, in fact, in our country, that is, the presence of bavan number one everywhere, it hasn’t changed and that’s why the percentage presence of russian authors, for example, cultural figures everywhere, it remains extremely dense and high in our country , which means that our people know much less about any rascal there, for example, although he is czech

he is closer, it is western culture in our country, so they will know less, i don’t know anyone there, henrik sienkiewicz, although the poles are closer to us in terms of ideas, and they are also our co-workers. pages per year, which means that it also creates some kind of lebenzwald, that is, some kind of field of life in which a person grows up, and then , for example, a person does not sing, but it turns out to be vladimir vysotsky or viktor tsoi. well, only in ukrainian and in a new arrangement. i'm talking about that what is this this is this is simply very big too much in proportion no one is against if even pushkin remains here well, just let them be in the seventh place as yaroslav hrytsak said correctly, it seems to me , let the russian language be, let there be russian culture present well, let it be in the seventh place not in the first place and not on the way, i will say more that in fact i also had a lot of discussions with people

who, well, they talk about the spring there. i am not talking about culture now and in this sense because it is clear that pushkin is a very respectable russian figure but it is not considered something special to any of the cultures of the world, that is, they do not believe that it is acceptable just like a russian, you need to study it to say that he created something like that in literature, if he missed shevchenko or other good writers of the world, this was not the case with pushkin. they talked about the fact that why is it necessary to use russian to move the language? and they say, you see, this is the same russian language that you can use when you are all over the world , and this is the logic of a person who does not know english, that is, and it turns out that if we ukrainians know ukrainian and russian, then we can do without english in certain cases, but if we know ukrainian english, then we will definitely never need russian, and that is what is specific about this, and

this also applies to kazakhs if they know cossack english russian he is definitely not needed if we are talking about any and i was very pleased when we eh i how eh between parliamentary communication took place there came to the baltic countries and eh i understood that the people of the post-soviet countries are really young people, they simply do not know the russian language. that is, it is not because they are pretending . they do not understand that they do not need it and when someone speaks today. well, it is necessary that a child there also knows russian for some reason, if you teach your child normally in english, then russian will definitely not be necessary in it, because it is in english, well, you see, russian can be the third or fourth language, and the second condition must be english. and when you know english, you solve part of the problems. if you want, you have talents, you can know more,

you can teach german, french there. i'm very glad that all my nephews and nieces are there, 20-something years old. which i have , they will all freely discuss in english, german , that is, they, well, for them, there is no problem in this. and it seems to me that this is how this society should move, this is the problem, it is obvious that there is for the russian elite, and this is actually the horror that ukrainians new generation will know ukrainian and english and ukraine will completely turn around by the time bohdan seems to be the main reason for this war, it also needs to be understood, well, oleksandr, i’m actually thank you for the conversation, we talked so closely about culture, finally, uh, because actually i said churchill, let’s kiss. we kiss churchill a lot now, if we are not fighting for our culture, what are we fighting for, because there are so many things

today, when we agreed with all societies and when and when i say that in the end if we build a totalitarian society during the war in which one opinion, one channel, one position, why don't we build russia, he defeated to defeat russia, there are many philosophical works about this. when you struggle with the role of building evil for yourself, i wouldn't want it. well, as it is possible today, from the point of view of such positions, i am more tolerant than i was in peacetime because i understand what a danger it is when everyone suddenly starts thinking the same because i see these russians and i understand that they destroyed themselves when they decided that they should all think like their president, support him and do everything he won't say, but he decided what this is this is this is this is a slightly different topic, this is the topic of whether ukraine needs authoritarianism in principle or is it possible well, let's talk about it next time there is

no time oleksandr bryhinets thank you very much for the conversation in our 35 minutes, let's go right away, then we won't waste time. ihor gorbaruk, an international economic expert, members of the economic discussion club, join us. refueling with diesel, we have a bit of a problem here yesterday, by the way, our viewers wrote in the chat, who are very worried and say don't talk about it in the news, because the enemy will find out that we have bad fuel a-a well, that's how it is. well, we all- we still say that we have certain interruptions, not critical , not critical, but there are, for example , today, it is already more expensive than the price that was before, so what is happening now

in the fuel market, will it really be possible to solve these problems in a week and they are witnesses in principle painted. here's your word, mr. andrii. thank you for your word. well, after such a philosophical thing that you had with mr. bregonets, talking about the economy will somehow be difficult. well, but besides that, in fact, the dear problem is complex, on the one hand, we clearly understand that no one was i am ready for those military actions, for those challenges that we have, and definitely. this must be taken into account from the other side, just as i want to criticize , for example, our ministry of economy, which from the first days should have understood that energy fuel resources - is it the key or the country, respectively , right from the first days of the war, it was necessary to do

everything in order to provide the country with fuel , of course, first the military, then all the services, then the population, but this was not done, again, we remember that the first days were difficult with fuel then it got a little better, everyone seems to have relaxed, there is no need to do anything, and accordingly, i think that the government, well, let's say, missed this issue. because they did not ensure the protection of our oil bases and, accordingly, the protection of oil refineries, air defense should have worked a little better, i understand that it is difficult, it is just very critical, it is difficult to do, but it was necessary to work on it, i didn’t even i didn’t even dare to do it myself well, i just know, i just know that ukrainian air defense they work so selflessly, this is this real hero, these are real heroes who change their location

literally after every shot and behind them so they are hunting themselves well, with what they have, well, that is, they are actually making a sofa, they are well done , but i am simply saying that in this case there should have been cooperation between the military and the government to protect our energy reserves and fuel factor that is, their destruction is a serious factor of this the crisis is very much further, there is no need to reject the possibility of a certain collusion between traders, this is what many experts say, and it can actually be. so , i remember my tenure as the ministry of economy from the 11th to the 13th year, and then it was a question which one were constantly rising, and oil traders want to work as they want to work for them, the rate of profit is the main value, and for some, war , and for others, the opportunity to earn certain compliances, again, you saw that the government, that it is relaxation, zero excise duty, reduced vat, and

at the same time state regulation remains. we have already seen the government today about the fact that they are increasing, let's say yes, this distance, accordingly, they have to solve this issue, so in this case, in my opinion, there should really be a more clear analytical work the ministry of economy, taking into account the risks that may exist, what are the negotiations about which they very often say that we have now become traders, we are communicating. 2 days and i understand that supplies from the russian federation are blocked from belarus, the sea ports are closed. accordingly, we can now forget to import only decks from europe, but here we really need to arrange. let's say at least green corridors at the customs, let's say that our cars were burned

, they were standing in a general queue with euro tinkers. this needs to be done and again. perhaps the formula needs to be changed because when the fuel deliveries are made, the meeting with the volumes is one wholesale price , small deliveries are made. this the price is a little different, it is higher, and accordingly, perhaps it is necessary to change the formula in quality, there should be an adjustment from the wholesale price to the retail price, therefore, accordingly, the wholesale price, which is the input, should be repelled according to the same principle and have movements of p and well, clearly here literally to close the topic. well, just so that i may be somewhat naive, but i will say that well, let's say everyone understands that for the army there is no harm in fuel and it should be well, it is never free, but it does not matter the price does not matter, but they do