the main thing is state finance and the main thing is the opportunity and the ability of the government of the ministry of finance to adequately use the resources that are because it is obvious that the economy has collapsed, tax revenues are falling, many enterprises are closed, people are losing their jobs it turns out to be unemployed, and this is why there is such a need for very strict control, careful control of where the money goes and what programs, and it seems to me that now it is not the prospects of the ukrainian economy that should be discussed in peace time, and the ability of the ukrainian state of ukraine to withstand military time, it seems to me that there are different tasks, and for sure this task is the first in line, really. moreover, no one knows how long the war will last, and you said an important thing about the fact that russia would have much more oso is threatened with the depletion of the

army and the fact that the armament will simply run out, or could this be an impetus for russia to either go to negotiations or completely abandon aggression against ukraine? here's a guess you know the answer to this question, we will be there now, the squads, the name, negotiations, or there peace with the agreement, it is reached then, when for both sides, the price of the continuation of the war is higher than the price of peace with concessions, and we do not know what concessions the kremlin, and putin himself, is ready for in fact, yes here, yes , not even there, the kremlin is there, there is war, and shoigu, and what kind of concessions are the ukrainian society and the ukrainian president ready to make, even in the end, there is any cessation of hostilities, this is the first stage - this is an armistice the second stage of the shooting is the completion of the

peace treaty and its implementation. cold well, not in a cold one, i ’m just warming up, and in principle, even though they were shooting, people died there every week, but nevertheless, there was no hot war. yes, but this did not bring peace . there is a peace agreement for the final end of the war, it is necessary to understand well that both countries must be there, either one of the parties must win a decisive victory there by defeating the other army . either both of the countries must understand that at some point it is necessary to make compromises and not make

concessions , well, to what extent. one person's point of view and how is this two points of view, mine is wrong yes, there is one point of view of this person stalnaya is incorrect and received some kind of installation from the kremlin russian state propaganda she will explain to the population that russia held the victory for a few seconds, that's all everything for ugu is another matter. and if we look at the ukrainian society , the ukrainian political force, and the ukrainian politicians, then here i don't really understand the extent of the compromise. what degree of concession is the society ready to go , and there is no way at all, what is called the level, so no compromises with an aggressor are impossible, yes, therefore, it is not a very difficult question , i have not heard it yet. что мы будем воевать на просмотр да особенностение donbass and with

you well, so to speak, right now, really the idea that we need to compromise is probably not very popular in ukraine, but still the last i also want to ask you a question about russia. in your opinion, is it possible now, uh, some kind of opposition to putin, which could declare loudly within russia that this war must be stopped, or is it impossible now? putin is formally pressing. have achieved their goals, look here ukraine has promised not to join nato, ukraine has promised to fix its neutral status yes, ukraine is there, i don't know, ready to talk about something else well, in principle , the ukrainian army carried out demilitarization there lost there, you need ukrainian, the russian general staff will bring freedom there, that the ukrainian army lost three times more tanks than it had, yes, and here are some. well,

the military infrastructure has been destroyed. for a moment you can stop and say that somewhere that we have it, it is our victory, yes , that is what we fought for. control well, there are options unfortunately, yes, or there, i don’t know how about putin in this regard, his hands are free for her. there are no restrictions, not within the kremlin, not in russian society, that is, in fact, he can stop at any moment. thank you, it was a very interesting conversation with sergey oleksandr - this is a famous russian economist and opposition figure, now he is a freelance adviser to the minister of finance of ukraine and we continue our marathon to stay with us, i turn to the internet, you are heard, you are seen, you are read, and now every sincere text, every apt one comment, every photo participant helps us get closer to victory, everything will be ukraine glory to ukraine

, join the internet of troops in social networks is impressive and inspiring this is exactly how lviv residents and guests of the city are responding to the wreckage of the russian plane walking through the center, they can not only see real evidence of russian aggression, but also support the ukrainian army, details will be told by yevheniya elshevych, the remains of the downed enemy su-35 plane on rynok square. this is how the buy me a combat plane initiative is attracting attention. the newly created fund not only collects funds for fighter jets for the ukrainian army, but also clearly demonstrates russian aggression in april in lviv, pilots launched the buy me a combat plane initiative, everyone can donate money to purchase combat planes for the ukrainian armed forces, buy me a plane on it, i will draw stars the planes we shot down with you are not people who

dropped vacuum and cluster bombs on residential buildings, schools and kindergartens as heavenly punishment, i will destroy tanks, armored vehicles and war criminals they will not be saved from the occupiers, neither from me, nor from you, nor from the people's and god's rot, the founder of the fund, the ukrainian entrepreneur yurkonazaruk, the fund already has a list of countries and a list of partners who are ready to sell these planes in the end. we even all know these countries that are indirectly discussed like this i.e. the fund's task is to implement its own scheme , i.e. to allow these funds to be collected. and after that , together with the air force, purchase this aircraft for the balance of the air force of ukraine. lviv residents and guests of the city support the initiative and they assure us that the wreckage of the russian plane motivates everyone should see it, and we also thank god that

they did not reach us, but in chernihiv oblast it was destroyed, the handsome one of their most expensive, the bmp fell apart. support the fund, buy me a plane, familiarize yourself with the goals of the project and find information quite easily , you only need to scan the qr-code. at first, it is such an impression of emotions, and you can immediately transfer your funds to support the army. i think it's a good idea. on april 30, the buy-me-a-plane initiative has already managed to raise uah 65 million. the cost of a new plane is approximately $20 million . but used

ones range from one to five million dollars . i have seen a lot of downed vehicles and burned russian vehicles, and i think that if all the destroyed vehicles of the occupiers could be sold for scrap metal, then surely more than one such plane could be bought. well, let's talk let's talk about the russian economy again , the eu oil embargo against the russian federation may work by the end of the year, the european union will announce the sixth package of sanctions against the russian federation next week and plans to cut off sberbank from the swift system until the ban on the import of russian oil from the end of the year. first, russian tanker oil may be banned , later pipeline belarus will be included in the sixth sanctions package for and role in the russian invasion, during which she acted as a quasar for the russian troops and air raids,

let's talk in more detail with svitlana zalishchuk, adviser to the head of the nak avtogaz of ukraine. she is with us on the phone svitlana. i am the first to greet you. i just talked with the russian oppositionist serhii oleksandr about the fact that russia actually continues to sell its own oil and i read that according to sian, about one and a half million barrels of russian oil are secretly sold every day buyers who do not want to risk their reputation due to relations with russia receive in fact, no. sanctions were imposed on russian oil, that's why russia sold its oil, the only thing is that some countries of the european union voluntarily refused to

simply purchase or the company refused to purchase what was marked as made in russia , when it comes to energy resources and so on indeed, first of all, on the one hand, the export of russian oil to europe decreased, but on the other hand, you are right that russian oil bypassed the reluctance of europeans to buy it in such a way that they simply renamed it, that is, they said that it is from another place in the sea they changed the ownership of who owns this oil and in this way deceived the consumer, the buyer, the one who bought the oil, but from the moment when the official sanctions are adopted, that is, the association, the situation will change a little and we really expect that such sanctions will be adopted already this week, let me remind you that for this the european union needs a consensus, all

27 countries must vote in favor of this. until now, we have heard that germany, austria, and hungary were the biggest opponents of such sanctions, but since last week they have been actively discussing the fact that germany ceased to be such an opponent, it managed to reduce to a large extent dependence on russian oil and we can already this week hear about new sanctions against russian oil why these countries are starting to uh now change their opinion because of crimes of the russian federation, in particular, in irpen, buch , mariupol, chernihiv, in sumy, it was known a month before, at least why now? let 's be honest, there is a certain geopolitical inertia at the very beginning of the invasion. moments, but world sanctions were gradually adopted, then we heard that

limiting energy resources there, even coal, is also absolutely impossible, but in the fifth package of sanctions , it was decided that coal will be sanctioned from the european side, then we heard that it is also impossible for oil, because germany in particular has several factories there that depended on the so-called pipeline oil and the infrastructure for bringing this oil to some european cities and oil refineries is also very difficult to change, but in the end they found ways to change this infrastructure and that is why we expect that these sanctions will still begin, the only such caveat is that these sanctions will not be included immediately. the budget wallet of russia because it is a well-known fact that in fact russia receives the most money not even

for gas but for oil and therefore it is definitely a positive or negative in this situation in that it will not happen immediately and the europeans are saying that the sanctions will start working not from may, but until the end of the year, after how many specific months, they will turn off, they will give up oil, we will hear this week. well, plus, there is another negative point. it is certain that now the prices of oil are quite high in the world, and right now russia is receiving excess profits on - even despite the fact that it sells its own oil at a discount, we know that this discount is currently valid for up to $35 per barrel, but the question is, er, because right now the russian federation is already trying to work out mechanisms for how it will sell er in the dark er, its own oil if the sanctions will be in effect, it’s precisely these tides in tankers and other equipment mechanisms. in fact, what do you think, er,

will it still be able to continue selling oil to those countries and large corporations that are still interested on the black market? in dirty money. let's be honest, in fact, russia sells about half of its total oil production to the european union, so not only the european union is dependent on russia, but also russia is dependent on the european union, so in some sense, europe, thanks to this dependence, has a kind of nuclear button in relation to of russian energy resources and earning funds that we then use to finance this war and will russia sell in the dark based on the fact that half of their oil still goes to the eu, they will be interested in somehow selling it, and here the important nuance is that in addition to production, it is important to store this oil somewhere , that is, ok, they fill the tanks, then they

will fill the pipelines, but in the end, if they do not sell this oil, then they will have to at all stop their production, so i predict that of course they will try, as they did before, to bypass the sanctions and sell in the dark, but here it is just as important the steps taken by the european union in applying the so-called secondary sanctions the first and the second are market monitors and not allowing such a dark or gray market to exist, that is, a lot will depend on the european market monitoring institutions whether they will allow selling this oil to the dark side should interrupt you a little because i'm just looking at the virtual map of air alarms should inform our viewers and listeners that an air alarm is now sounding in odesa mykolaiv oblasts please if you hear us see us immediately go down to the shelters take care

myself well, with svitlana zalischuk, we are talking about the prospects of the oil embargo and its impact on the russian economy, but now i want to ask something about the fact that many ukrainians are worried about the state of too many products inside our country, and we see that there is not enough fuel at gas stations. what do you think e- how quickly this situation can develop further and will the government cope with this shortage of petroleum products this week according to the reports of our government this shortage should be resolved but i do not have the authority to comment on this situation now i can only uh actually to convey what i heard from the government, let's hope that this issue will really be resolved, let's return to the issue of the general oil embargo, we can see that now some countries are already reacting, some

are refusing, and china's position is very interesting beijing does not want to conclude new contracts, even despite such a large discount, which i have already talked about with the russian federation, but it continues to fulfill old contracts. india, on the contrary, is now willingly buying additional oil. what do you think with diplomatic steps, ukraine in particular can change the position of those countries that are now really interested in this cheap oil and you have to either persuade them to abandon such a strategy with regard to china, then i want to note that as far as i know , china does not have a greater capacity to buy this oil. that is, it in fact, it does not need more in such volumes and does not have the infrastructure capacity,

relatively speaking to quickly sell this oil anywhere because you are right , an extremely important aspect here is to prevent the creation of the so-called gray e-e market , as far as diplomacy is concerned, well, of course, we must talk to the whole world, and we are talking and doing it. the ministry of foreign affairs in our e ambassadors in all countries are actively working on this, but i will repeat the most effective way. it will still be the use of so -called secondary sanctions, that is, when other countries will buy this oil and other energy resources because they will know that if they do this, the sanctions of the european union, the united states of great britain, which have already refused the last two countries from russian oil, will be extended, including to other countries that want to buy this oil, for sure, the last

question for you is yours the forecast at all, will they really make such a decision, and if so, how long will the strength of the russian economy be sufficient, if it is completely in a situation where an oil embargo will be applied against it, will such a decision really be made, i can say that there is a high probability that this week we will hear such a decision, we know that so far not all countries have agreed to it, for example hungary has so far been categorical, let's hope that the vast majority of the european union will be able to convince hungary not to be a white crow and not to be the only country that wants to continue filling the budget of e- is the incredible profits of russia and the aggressor country's budget is the budget of the aggressor country, first of all, secondly, how much it will affect the economy, it will definitely be

a huge blow to the russian economy. blow, but i will repeat that it will be postponed due to the fact that we know that sanctions against russian oil will not work immediately, the numbers are such that every day during the war, russia received about a billion dollars together for gas and oil, most of these profits were still too much therefore , the sanctions against oil will be a very tangible blow, and we hope that the european union will not postpone this decision until the end of the year, but will be able to do it sooner. thank you very much, svitlana, for the first time for agreeing with us at such an early time it was important to communicate, and we are now waiting for good news from the european union, we are waiting for the fact that, after all, the oil barge will be accepted as soon as possible against the aggressor country against the russian federation. svitlana zalishchuk, the adviser and head of naftogaz of ukraine, was in touch with us. and what we move on and we talk about how ukrainians

are experiencing this terrible tragedy, which unfortunately has been happening in our country for more than a month already. kira lost her mother when she was two weeks old at 12:00 kira lost her father and almost lost her entire family and the motherland of the daughter or champion of ukraine from the field yevgenia lebedynskyi returned home from donetsk how she got there will tell us the story of the grandfather another ukrainian mariupol drama in our story 7 will still live in this well i absolutely all my life in sports in the sports sphere eh - he was a player of the water polo team, then a coach for him in russia, then the second dom rodnoy started going to the pool from the age of 8, at first he was engaged in

swimming for two or three years, then he came to the water economy, and he himself is such a mobile and такое очень well, there was a lot of energy in him, that means gradually training, well, he started playing for the yursky national team of ukraine, and then , uh, how would he go? he was the captain, then he was invited to the national team of ukraine, where he successfully performed. and he was, well, for some time, the captain of the national team of ukraine. uh lived where, well, the war began in 14th year. well, although

it was all a little like how and nearby and-y well, not exactly how that is. well , you understood what you heard. 24 eh, how would i, for example , wake up from the fact that some such explosion is not typical, that is, these explosions were permissible before, that is, constantly for 8 years. hi everyone, go because, well, because of that, and here and there, the sound was not characteristic of me yet i woke up later, not about myself, i thought that this was not the case, well, as if again and conditions again, and then i woke up and found out the average information , the war begins at the beginning, i lived in the house with my wife

, two granddaughters and a daughter, kirupov number, the 10th or 11th of zhenya came and took him to his place. he lived in another place with a girl of his own. and here he is, he came, he says after drinking, he slipped off, and the tyra says that she missed him. well, in general, such a desire is not hidden, and they, as it were, went there where they always live, well, there how did it not become known that there was a lot of shelling there? and they were strong and preoxylated in the house in which we lived, as with a girl. two children of this girl plus our kira, that is, uh, well, there was a shelling, hitting the house, uh, well, my son came out at that time , i suggest. kaniku in the church, this girl, zhenya, told me when it happened, well, blue tantrums, people, we had a nervous breakdown.

well, in general, of course, it was very bad. here is his girlfriend, kira. here are her two children, but there, too, well, they left immediately after what went there отрушение пожалуйста they left the honest sector lived there for some time. well, then we went to write walking from the city. yes, we went to write walking from the city. hm , we left the city. at the same time, the dog almost took the blow and died on the spot. here is one girl who got caught in a stretcher and uh and well , she got a less severe wound, that is, like a shrapnel wound . takoe and then eh how much do i know that

the first help was provided by the ukrainian military, they ran up, and they offered to return to mariupol , because they didn’t want to go there, and it was even worse , but they got stuck in it because it was not bad to return, there were no apartments, and in fact the whole city was already there. i'm not really against the car. they went to mangush, the district center, it's an interom 20, but mariupol can be 25. that's right , they came there once, just once. well, they couldn't they sent them, well, to donetsk, so they turned out, if i started, as it were, you are interested. and you are now like this, are all the doors complicated? i know where there are

negotiations from that side . i'm already talking, and the president took a search with him, you said, what an opportunity arose, i went to pick up kirova, to pick up another boy, my grandmother went too, that is, he too, well, such a complicated wound. well, here we went, he too went to donetsk , only he was in another hospital well, she is behind me i got lost, i just recently talked to them, they sent them , they were in donetsk for a long time, as she said, they took the documents, and they said that they were going to check the others and send them sometime. well, i called you just recently, and i said that i he took kyra away. here they are, as

he said, the city of saransk is there in russia, now they sent it to saransk, here she was in the hospital with bilateral suspicion of bilateral pneumonia, an examination was carried out, and her children are still there, and adults, they are at least defined there are 2 kg eh two hours with locusts yes yes they are well how would this be well no because the situation there is such a thing so in conversation she said that when in france on april 4 a concert rrt illegally turned off the digital air ukrainian independent tv channels espresso fifth and directly on the website of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, a petition is registered in which it is demanded to return ukrainian tv channels to the digital air in order to sign the petition first you need to register, it is very simple go to the website petition came you gov.ua there

go to the registration tab and enter all your data, say your phone number and email, confirm all your data, enter the code that will be sent to your mobile, create a password that will certify that you are not a robot, give consent to the processing of personal data, check all your data again and click the register button to complete the registration, go to your specified email where the site letter will arrive click on the link in the letter that will return you to the petition site, enter your email password , enter, return to the main page of the site petitions, open the petition for the return to the digital air of the ukrainian tv channels espresso of the fifth and direct press the button to sign the petition, the inscription signed will appear your signature is confirmed and taken into account, let's return to tsif together