er, she knows. we talked. she is a very brave , very brave politician and energetic, dynamic, and now plays a very important role in the provision of these funds, about which we are talking about 33 billion. that is, she is a person on whom a lot depends in making this decision, and there the code of which you can also see at the negotiating table, the chairman of the intelligence committee, that is, the ballad of the representatives. i think that this is a very timely arrival and it symbolizes the readiness of the united states to support, as nancy said, the victory of ukraine. and, of course, the current needs that we heard from from the first mouth of the representatives of the congress of the united states. can we say now that there is such a serious bipartisan support of ukraine from the side of the us congress, it is such a powerful two-port,

bipartisan , yes, of course. -e to introduce the initiative to support ukraine, various initiatives in recent times not only looked stupid, but before this, the adoption of many acts, including the arrest or compensation at the expense of arrested russian assets, that is, the damages that russia has caused to ukraine and many other things under the sanctions that are accepted. that is, if it is not a competition, i will not say that it is a competition between democrats and republicans. but really, this is the common position , what is it based on ? the first is the realization by the us authorities that this war of ukraine against russia is a common task of ours and allies because it is an attack on all systems and the world order, and the second is the support of the american people and its actual mandate because

now more than 70% of americans believe that ukraine must get support as soon as possible, including offensive weapons. that is, this is an obvious evidence that the people of america are really like other countries, but the americans can be said they are leading here, they hold the leadership, they support ukraine well, this is one of the issues that unites ukraine democracy, the republic, to be honest, one of the few. well, it's good that it is ukraine that unites them. it's a pity that it unites precisely in such conditions and in such a situation, but you already mentioned the 33 billion that the united states of america can give us this question is it being decided or already decided? you can say no. well, of course, this issue needs some period because it is a review procedure. but firstly, it does not become an obstacle to the current allocation of additional equipment

for ukraine and weapons. there is a preliminary decision that allows us to solve this issue. well, this is not a matter of a month, it will be done sooner and i think it will be done in time. i hope that despite the discussion, it is still not small sums . i will look carefully at this someday, it will go through all the stages of the committee and the chamber. well, i am sure that it will be adopted in this form with some adjustments. i think there may be some kind of correction, but i have no doubt that the scale of aid will be approximately the same, and there is 33 billion in this aid package there somehow it is being signed where exactly should they go now there is a statement from the secretary of state antony blinkin there is a letter i told you josel biden general such distribution what

we see needs to be looked at in detail but more than 20 billion for armaments for defense security in fact eight and a half for economic and financial issues of recovery, including here, uh, i understand , including infrastructure of some objects, and more than three billion for humanitarian issues regarding additional. that is, in general terms, how will it be further in the article on this you we will see in the concrete schedule, but uh, do you understand here if it is allowed to use such funds? this does not mean that i will once again say that there are no funds now, they are to a certain extent and that there will be no other programs in the future, that is, in principle, uh, i am no longer on my own scale the vision that it is 30 billion is evidence of serious intentions, we said that israel receives received a program for 30 billion for 10 years when it

was a few years ago well, that is, it testified that the usa perceives israel as its closest ally allocation of such funds for ukraine and for the support of ukraine , it can be said that in the field of defense and security, the usa demonstrates that it is on the level of an ally of ukraine, but simply a strategic partner in these areas, mr. valery. please tell me or not well, not that it’s not or not, i wanted to ask if it’s not worth it. of course, that’s not how this question should be formulated, because we can expect this at some point during the visit of the president of the united states of america, joe biden, because it would be a bombshell, support for ukraine, well, first of all we will find out about this only when joseph biden will be in kyiv, this is the first, the second, er, we, i will tell you who is there, the chief, er, who was the delegation, the head of the hospital intelligence committee, he said that it is only a matter of time, that is, in

principle, such an issue is being considered, we know official statements of the white house that such an issue is under consideration, and of course the third point is my personal opinion that in principle, in my opinion, the quick implementation of the lend-lease and the receipt of these large funds is more important for us than the symbolic arrival of joseph palton. but everything is fine if there is such a decision we will be very welcome because it has been a long time since there has been a president of the united states in ukraine , and from the point of view of security, i think it is absolutely possible to provide the necessary conditions, even taking into account the fact that russia can be predicted by putin to put it mildly, it will be very emotional to react. i think that joseph biden is not one of the fearful politicians, he demonstrated it once already. well, considering the fact

that high-ranking politicians from europe have already visited us several times, i think that, as you said, he will come when we won't know . i hope so. i'm sure that the russians won't know about it either, so we're really looking forward to this visit, but i'm obviously very grateful to the americans for your help, and to you, mr. valery. thank you very much for your help in understanding the difficult for simple ones ukrainians have questions, such as questions that in particular concern the reaction of the united states of america and the assistance of the united states and the united states of america in ukraine. thank you, valery . i would like to remind our viewers that valery chaly, a diplomat and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states, was on a direct sky connection with me. from 2015 to 2019, it is very pleasing that washington so actively supports us, so actively helps us, this is quite difficult. no, it is not just quite difficult, but it helps in a difficult time for us.

financially helps militarily helps simply with support, high-ranking officials come to us in order to show that the united states of america is with us, well, of course. thank you to all those other countries, in particular europe, which are on our side and also help. of the sweet program during the war and with me on a direct skype connection anna shelest - director of the security studies program of the ukrainian foreign policy council prisma greetings ms. hanna good day well, in the same case as with mr. valery chalym er, i wanted to start with another er, but well, with this one, considering the information that appeared yesterday evening in the british edition of the times , referring to our intelligence, said that er, russia is planning an attack, not even just not to devastate transnistria and is even planning an attack on

moldova. some say that this should not be feared because the russian contingent in transnistria is very small , and the transnistrian army itself is also small and not capable of combat. others say that it is really dangerous. here is your opinion, which is much more complicated. and more interesting because in addition to the russian contingent located on the territory of transnistria, it is approximately one and a half thousand people. that is, we can compare how safe or dangerous the contingent is, depending on the actions and weapons, the weapons that are there are quite small and outdated . do they accept any similar appeals from the russian federation, we know that they tried at the very beginning of the war to hold several demonstrations there, not support for the russian federation or actions, and they were very harshly received by the local moreover, literally two days ago, the

head of transnistria met at a not very high level with moldovan representatives , that is, we clearly see that until now it was purely politics and gas, and the transnistrian leadership was ready to be pro-russian as soon as the issue concerned the war and real hostilities, they understand very well that they are absolutely not interested in such a development of events and at the moment they are trying to avoid it as much as possible, moreover, let's understand what half of these fifteen thousand conditionally russian soldiers are local residents who have russian passports, but in addition to russian passports , they also have ukrainian or moldovan passports, respectively, their loyalty is good to the salary but not good to the kremlin. that is, we can say that this is not a problem now. maybe even a little inflated. i wouldn't say inflated the problem is that the russian federation really wants to destabilize the situation

, they are interested either in the transnistrians as mercenaries because they need to be replenished or in so that there would be instability. this would help to rein in both moldova and the south of ukraine , because we understand that in any case it is a threat and it is worth spending the efforts and attention of our military on it, but on the other hand, the question is how to implement it technically there may be provocations, there may be some sabotage operations, there may be information operations, that's all. of course , there are, but how big are the chances of a direct military operation in our country? under the doors of odessa, it is hardly possible to seriously talk about a military operation specifically in transnistria, but look at one more question regarding this very territory, it is obvious that transnistria is very important to the russians, they want to, of course they won't let me they want to do this, they want to cut a corridor to

transnistria. but, as the times journalists write, do they really want moldova, they want moldova under their own control, it was perfectly clear all this time. the question is that they supported a lot of pro-russian politicians let's remember the previous president, mr. dodon, how much russian money was invested in him during all the elections, we know that they have several television channels there that seriously affect the information situation in the country, that is, the russian federation is interested in controlling my interests, as they have, and in georgia as at one time had to ukraine, that is, the countries of their sphere of influence, as they call it. because they do not need a success story, they do not need european integration and moldova. but are they ready to attack a neutral moldova and let's not forget that moldova officially has the status of a neutral state enshrined in the constitution, that is, they cannot threaten

ukraine here because of the expansion of nato, yes. that is, all these narratives and horror stories about moldova do not work very well. and what pretext would they find for themselves for such the operation would be very interesting and there is actually only transnistria left, but as we can see that and transnistria not so much right now they would like the russians to protect them and here one more moment if, god forbid, they attack moldova i think that the romanians would immediately react in some way and say that they would start talking about the protection of the romanian-speaking citizens of moldova, and there are nato troops, well, obviously they would not take part in the protection, but this is a hybrid war. thank you for the answer about transnistria, let's go now to what i wanted to start today's conversation, let's first listen to the direct speech of the german foreign minister, not lenin burke, then a question for you, yes, yes, a

ceasefire can only be the first step, everyone understands that sanctions can be canceled only if russia withdraws its troops. it is peaceful under russian conditions. it will not bring security to ukraine or to us in europe. in the worst case, it will be an invitation to the next war even closer to our borders. well, ms. anna olena berbok has repeatedly made such statements about support for ukraine about the introduction of an oil and gas embargo that it is possible er, on the other hand, chancellor olafsholz of germany spoke very cautiously er constantly when answering these questions, although lately he has not has radically changed his opinion, but ms. hanna is saying completely different things. please tell me what the secret of such a u-turn by official berlin can be. well, as for the minister of foreign

affairs, it was clear here that she is a representative of the green party, from the very beginning they took a very pro-ukrainian anti-russian position and in relation to the northern stream-2, therefore, here, when they had softer positions, they rather tried to play within the framework of the coalition, and when they took more rigid positions, it was directly the position of the party, and something he is a representative of the social democrats, and here we know that there are several camps that have very different views, including regarding the russian federation, not to mention the northern stream, but under the influence of public opinion of what is currently happening in germany itself, and we already we see that little by little, at least in the expert environment, there is a very serious change and there is more and more support from german experts and intellectuals regarding ukraine, not all of them. we remember these very ambiguous letters and separate i didn't

just say marginal german intellectuals because they were mostly representatives of communist forces or such left-wing organizations in east germany. they published letters in the central newspapers with the support of russia rather than ukraine, but the general opinion everything it is changing, we see more and more statements in the bundestag and from business and german and from the largest analytical centers, which nevertheless say that well, if germany wants to play a leading role in europe it should give up this strange position and start supplying ukraine with weapons, accordingly, it is primarily against him, and thus the ratings in which he is also interested are lost, that is, to sum up what you said, chancellor olaf scholz was simply squeezed, so i would say they are being squeezed by us unfortunately, it is still in the process. and

this is not yet so radically and unambiguously the position that we as ukraine would like to see, but the fact that the latest statements are announced are significantly different from what we heard that a month ago it was so. this is already fact and i hope that this process will be irreversible. please tell me what kind of help and support from the west we really need right now, but we have this support and help. but is there anything that we still need? well, you know the problem is how long the current situation will last and depending on this, there will be those priorities that ukraine needs, on the one hand, of course, we are constantly talking about weapons, and now we have received confirmation from a number of countries about the exact type of weapons that we need, because on the first at that stage, we were not provided with heavy weapons, but heavy weapons are, first of all, well, there, except for tanks , everyone is used to it, and let me immediately mention that we are talking about air defense not just live lynas, but serious complex manpads that will help us fight against russian missiles because we

see how moscow's tactics have changed in relation to ukraine, videos of combat operations, that is, weapons, they are still among the priorities in ukraine, they are already needed, not even for later, the marshal's plan, and already now, money for reconstruction, reconstruction and the restoration of those places that suffered the most and which have already been liberated by the ukrainian armed forces, we understand how crazy these are, the millions and hundreds of millions of dollars that are needed at least for the basic infrastructure that was completely destroyed, but there are also more complex processes that are needed for that so that the ukrainian economy finance e-e functioned, but also to minimize the consequences, for example, the blocking of ukrainian ports, that is, in this case, it is such, it is not just multifaceted help that is needed multi-level assistance and new new questions will arise depending on how long the hostilities will continue and which regions of ukraine they

will directly affect united now you know more or less united, of course, each country has its own priorities, someone reconstruction in recovery, and here even symbolic such statements are very important when the greek minister of foreign affairs said that they are ready to restore some buildings in mariupol, or the minister of internal affairs and foreign affairs of italy said this about odesa, and this is such a symbolic but first step yes, which demonstrates readiness and understanding that even this will need to be restored, and someone is ready for more humanitarian aid, someone is ready to work more as refugees, someone is ready for more on armaments, this also applies to the capacity of these states, but at the same time to the domestic political situation, that is, everyone is ready to help. how to help is another question. is it ready now?

is europe somehow going to negotiate with putin or not ? is it time that has already passed? we understand that all that a certain dialogue is needed. some people think that a dialogue is needed for a truce for a certain way to simply stop the war. this is not agreed with putin. believes that it is still possible to persuade the russian federation to make certain compromises, but these are becoming fewer and fewer every day, and you know, especially after buchi and mariupol, we seriously saw how the rhetoric of many european politicians who before that, they took such a well, more, an obertonist position, if you can say, regarding the russian federation. and no, not only we saw it in italian politicians, for example, from whom mr. berlusconi is one of mr. putin's best friends, and suddenly his position changed,

let's let's hear mr. zem on the president of the czech republic, who has always been a red pot, as if in front of our eyes he took a completely different position regarding putin and the russian federation, that is, such processes . i think that they will gradually only become more active in many european a-a countries and we will still see russian proxies among these politicians because certain parties were sponsored from moscow, there are also russian agents among the politicians of certain e-e countries, but the fact that the process has already begun very seriously precisely in european countries to change is a fact. now let's talk a little bit about european countries, but let's continue the topic that we have already started about imprisoning zelenskyi and president zelenskyi, and even the president of russia, vladimir putin. negotiations, yes, the president of turkey, after all, its pardogan said this week a few days ago, it was only last week, he said that he does not abandon his intentions to

sit these two presidents at the negotiating table , he wants to arrange such a meeting somewhere on the territory of turkey in ankara or in istanbul. well, he thinks that he has a chance, or does he have a chance? the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, and its parliament, you know, a few weeks ago, i had the impression that the tactics of a meeting were possible while we had negotiations on the level of the delegations of the two countries. to be honest, the rhetor who is leaving moscow today says that the russian federation does not want to sit down at the negotiating table under any conditions. they are trying to find certain advantages on the ground, so let's remember minsk-2, how these 16- hour negotiations took place then against the background of very serious hostilities. when the russian federation delayed almost every hour of these negotiations because it was their offensive that was taking place, they were conquering additional territories, so the same thing seems to me to be happening now and it will be at least until may 9 that the russian

federation is trying to move forward as much as possible to win for itself as many positive negotiating positions as possible from which to start. well, this is not even a dialogue, but a conversation with ukraine, but from the other side, and they are manipulating very clearly for what to sit down, that is, when two presidents sitting down means that there is a desire to reach at least a truce. at the moment, we see that the russian federation does not 100% seek a truce. but is there a desire to put it at the negotiating table? in the president's e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e, is it just a game on his own audience, he knows that he will not imprison them, he took the position of a mediator very seriously. his ratings have dropped a lot due to the economic crisis. last year, he is now politically trying to play such an important leader, and this is playing in the region, not only in turkey itself, but on the other hand, he

himself believes that because of his good contacts with moscow with kyiv, he can get what exactly turkey can become such a place for negotiations, but the question is that at the moment he should balance more carefully unfortunately, some recent decisions of his ministry, for example, how to open a separate airline for russian tourists there or start accepting a russian peace card for payments instead of a visa, well, that’s for sure. let’s just say it doesn’t work in his favor and makes him less of a neutral intermediary in this situation, and in principle, it can work against him, you’re already ms. hanna, they mentioned may 9, such a sacred date for russians. according to european and american intelligence data, putin may be planning something for may 9. what is your opinion, will this sacred date play any role, or will there be a change in the

situation or could there be a change in the situation eh, exactly on may 9 , well, we still have a week until may 9. let's see how the hostilities will develop, and this means a lot because, in fact, well, we are talking very theoretically now, because it is the biggest chaos imaginable, but in fact, he has two options, either on the ninth of may, he announces at least some kind of victory, and here the victory can be either the occupation of the entire donetsk luhansk region there, for example, yes, or there, the occupation of the capture of mariupol, that they took the south, that is, at least some kind of victory that he can present to his own population or a radically different option, when he understands that he has not yet won this victory by military means, there is nothing to declare, then he announces a mass mobilization, explaining it as an example of some kind of provocation or attack against of the russian federation and thus goes to a new wave of aggression, let's call it the third wave

. and when he tries to accumulate the forces of the entire country, i think that this second option will play out for him, and worse because at the moment this euphoria of russian society is due to the fact that it does not apply to everyone, it is a good picture on tv and it is good to say how strong we are, as soon as it applies to everyone who sits by the television that there son or himself may be sent to war, and i think that anti-military anti-war sentiments will more serious in russia. that is, you mean that it is one thing to wear these signs, these swastikas somewhere, and another thing to sign up. well, here it is no longer a volunteer, but to go to war for putin, you can say so absolutely correctly, especially when now more and more it is related to the unpreparedness of the russian army, that is, there is a large contingent, but the provided troops are quite weak, and the training is a plus, if everyone understood that somewhere there it is just to serve on a base and get a salary somewhere far in the east, it is one thing to have

only 5 days of training and being sent to a real war on the territory of ukraine. this is a completely different matter, and here i think that we will have enough so-called refusers. the armed forces of ukraine will be able to pressure putin, our coherence is, but what else can pressure putin if we take it more globally, well, sanctions. they have a serious enough role, but here it is worth understanding that they are not sanctions, all sanctions are instantaneous and here you need to have a little patience and understand how it is, let's see how some military plants of the russian federation are already stopping due to the lack of spare parts there, and we can already see the difficulties they have with the sovereign debt, but all this will take two months, well, that is, there are certain stocks in for the russian federation, they are still trying

to work with them, and it is also extremely important to work on diplomatic isolation, because it is important for mr. putin to present at least some kind of coalition, who will support him , which leader, whether it be ethiopia or somewhere else, i don't know kyrgyzstan, but something needs to be done so that he is not alone , the more countries that before this were perceived with a softer position towards russia will refuse to help, then this is also an important enough thing for him to feel that he is in this isolation, and we can already see, for example, central asian countries they slowly began to surrender back well, now i would like to wait for the same position to be taken by india, brazil and china, and i think that this could be quite a serious blow, but only on the condition that he really receives this information, because on today's moment still gives the impression that he is in an information vacuum , but with certain distorted information about the real state of affairs. thank you, mrs. hanna

. i sometimes find them difficult to understand . thank you for participating in our program with hanna shelest was on direct skype in the program the world at war, director of the program of the security studio of the council on foreign policy ukrainian prism well, as always, on monday at 12:00, well, on the 12th, 10-12 and 15, in the program, the world during the war, talk to him about enlightenment, but in particular about his reaction to what is happening in ukraine, as well as about the help of this world. today i valery chaly and the diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary, ambassador of ukraine to the usa 2015-2019, and hanna shelest , director of the security study program of the council of foreign policy of ukraine prisma, helped to understand rather complex issues. next week, there will be other topics and obviously there will be other guests who will help answer the questions that i will ask

them well, how do you all remember well that the next next time we go on the air next monday at 12 as i said 12:10-12 and 15 it will be on the ninth of may you can watch it on the air of the espresso tv channel, where it is still available on the networks, i hope that very soon they will also turn it on on t2 , as well as on social networks, in particular on youtube and facebook. well, my name is yuri fizer. this was the program world during the war before meeting with during the war, you are the information front of ukraine fm halychyna together to victory turn the wind espresso the fifth