and he is already where he needed to be, because there is evidence of others, in fact , a lot of work is needed for recognition - this is what the investigative authorities should do. yes, at any moment, yes, in order to prove it, all cases are up to the end that in reality many people accepted such uh, did you understand that they worked for this because they were all professionals, but you know it is quite difficult to catch these people because why do you need legal evidence uh but will the investigative bodies be able to deal with this at this time because under e-e to work and so bingo and that's why i'm actually talking about some possible legislative initiatives, we understand that the nsdc has applied appropriate sanctions and the three tv channels of medvedchuk's plan flew into a whirlwind, so they are gone, and their people are only somewhere on the other side. well,

why are we talking about it like this? at least the normal pro-ukrainian tv channels took and threw them out of the t2 network, and here, accordingly, there is a suspicion that either they want us not to talk about something on the air, or maybe they already measure everything against themselves in categories, so to speak of the future political company of the election commission yes yes well, let's taras, i'm her, then oleksiy, well , look, i'm at the time very convenient to monopolize the information space, this is the dream of any president eh well, who was eh in general in our state and in general to control but i think that in reality it will not be possible as long as they have this martial law and they are trying to do it in this way. there is only news and so on, but there will still be a lot of questions and, unfortunately, you cannot

hide these questions, so you can be happy that well, there, for example, i personally don’t ask questions yet, because i understand that there is martial law , there is a war there, because i have questions for the current government there. well, i also have a lot of questions, so in the end, i think that martial law, they will be forced to return channels a-a to the general field there, yes, if they did so, and eh, or find people who committed such a tyranny of the de-factor, of course, because the government must to understand that ukraine still does not want to be like russia. the authorities want to. hmm. well, i hope to be to understand that at any moment, er, we

don’t breed conspiracy theories, and the fact remains a fact , oleksiy, in your opinion. so, what is happening with the exclusion of our three tv channels? well, i agree with taras, you see, there is an opportunity to disable an alternative point of view. well, they do it in principle, to be honest, i am not at all surprised here, i said about this at the very beginning of the war that this is how it will be, that they are using this martial law in order to, well, you understand, and certain. one line, one line of hunting, we were in the same line, we support the higher leadership, both political and military in our country, while the war is going on, we do not criticize that i support it. i am talking about the logic that they referred to. well, of course, that is all for this logic of logic. during the war period, we are not

opposition media for them, nevertheless, they excluded us, do you want me to say that you excluded us because you have an alternative point of view? well, there is one, they don't want to hear anything else, well, that's normal, absolutely no one would want to be in such conditions listen do you understand some alternative point of view? why do n't they want to listen to an alternative point of view? well, it's not about differences in fundamental assessments, well, listen, if they had a normal and any president, listen to our government's tendency to authoritarianism. it 's always our underdeveloped democracy yes, we have very weak institutions, and if there were, if society allowed, if europe allowed, i don't know, and so on, everyone would try to do one way or another during their reign. well, let's say that those who praise were more, and those who did not praise were fewer, and now a unique opportunity appeared, martial law, when it is possible to cover up, so to speak, everything that is not liked, what

they liked. well, it is absolutely clear, this became clear not two months ago but much earlier , they had such an opportunity, they used it. and what will happen next, to be honest, it 's hard for me to imagine, after all, it seems to me that society should play the main role here. yes, at the end of the day, our boys do not die for the sake of to save a specific place called bankova yes, including for our country to be a democratic country so that we remained a european country and to be with such a country without an alternative point of view is simply impossible in principle, i will repeat myself once again i perfectly understand i a political technologist who has long understood the logic of the government, and especially when i hear about the hundreds of billions of dollars that will be allocated to the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. i perfectly understand that at this moment it is better

to have one point of view in principle everyone, listen to me, i am constantly hearing rumors that if you think that our country has changed in some way for the better, that there has been less corruption in our country, we don't take kickbacks, or in the courts, we don't give a shit, so to speak, the same problems simply remain when there is an alternative point of view, well, roughly speaking, they are visible, yes. and there is always a desire to make everything look very wonderful. it was in the same direction, so to speak, and no one criticized anyone. and if the west criticizes , tell the west that we suffer for you, we we are enduring the russian invasion, so shut up and please don't pry into our affairs. well, it was a very interesting moment. we wanted to ask mr. zagorodny, so what trajectory do you see, because well, this story is actually not just about democracy or tv channels . it is a story about decision-making and a certain logic and justification in what

else can we expect from such voluntary things, because, well, we understand that there is a military question, there is a question of the domestic economic situation, which is very difficult in the country, and there are people who are able to take advantage of a certain situation in order to strengthen my political structures, i remember. so, elections are a plex, in principle, such a logic in the actions of the authorities is their own. they will choose such a line. nothing changes, because in reality there is, uh, there is their position, so they have the opportunity to use extraordinary powers. well, i am not saying that, you know, there is a personal one, for example, the first person - it is, well, the environment probably did it, i

do not rule it out, someone always wants serve as in any government in ukraine, well, you know, remember the times of kuchma, you will remember all the others, that is, our government always scratched their hands so that they only spoke like pastel, it is difficult oleksii, they talked a lot more about fertilizers and did not say bad things yes, i think that in reality it is not the right time, the time is not the right time, and if someone thinks that it will somehow help, i think that this is enough, it will be difficult, it will be difficult, it will be done - because the country has completely changed, in reality there will be and will be a lot of rallies there are facts on the internet, there are other alternatives sources of information, we are different from the russian federation and it is better to fight against those phenomena than to fight against those who talk about it because, well,

i want to say well, in the 45th year, churchill lost the elections, but i wanted to ask the last question, it is clear that ukraine will win it's a matter of time, when will the victory of our country become for the current government, in particular, an indulgence for any conscious or unconscious mistakes, if they still took place, because mistakes are made only by those who are not going anywhere . taking into account that what has been happening in the last two months and 8 years will still lead our society to understand that well, some things, many things that we despised, we thought that it was not necessary, that it was not at the right time, or that we were just thinking about other things. and our the so-called elites were engaged in self-enrichment and

not in the development of the country, that this whole war will bring about the results of this activity, so to speak, and we will come out of the war completely different . even a little affected the issue of international relations not only of our country with partners, but also of our enemy with their own partners or semi-partners. this is how we will now add to the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel, here we are ready for an informational marathon, yes, two economists, one an investment banker and the other an economist well, we will analyze such things, positive and interesting information has arrived from our ministry of defense: paratroopers destroyed a group of russian special forces from siberia in donetsk region in the area of ​​a village yampil of the donetsk region, our airborne assault troops destroyed, well, about the number. we can

only guess at the moment, but the fighting continues. and here, the european commissioner for trade in audis dombrovsky stated earlier that the eu is considering reasonable sanctions regarding russian oil, which could initially include tariffs and not a full embargo. on may 2, it was reported that austria, hungary and slovakia revoked their right of veto on the oil embargo against the russian federation, but hungary continues to stand its ground and threaten the right of veto on such a decision of the european union as a whole . an interesting opinion came from the adviser to the minister of energy, lana zerkali, who said that

hungary's blackmail is the right to veto the embargo on russian oil is aimed not at ukraine but at the european union, well, they like to be obviously some kind of alternative party in the european union, yes , as the classics said, good will definitely win the main question is with what losses she never had. well, besides angelina jolie, ukraine was visited by such a nice uncle who at one time played gandalf in lord of the rings, that is, you understand, the world supports us, he does it sincerely and conditionally speaking for free, not for pr or anything else, just because the world saw ukraine and supports us without selling , for example, the same hungarians well, what about what will happen to the russian economy, and internal economic affairs, let's talk about it with serhiy fursa, an

investment banker, and boris kushnyruk, an economic expert. greetings and congratulations to ukraine so, we would like you to assess the situation with the decline of two economies, we are talking about the pace of the russian economy, we understand that at the moment they overlap due to the supply of energy carriers , in particular, and to the european union, on the other hand, we understand that the russian aggressor, the aggressor, has caused extremely painful losses to our economy and we we understand. so this competition is not only on the battlefield - it is also a competition of economies, fortunately we have a powerful ally, but also the russians. also, i think that mr. fursy is using one or another of his moves let's start with you. let's start with the fall of the economy this year. it is predicted that it will fall by

10-15%. no one will tell you for sure, because there is simply no such model. when the isolation is sharp, it affects such a huge integrated world economy. the ukrainian economy will fall by more than 30-35%. minimum and it will be very painful, at the same time we will have a slightly different dynamic if the ukrainian economy, the dynamics of the ukrainian economy for the coming years is such a letter in the eye, you know well, let's use nazi themes yes, the letter v we are falling very sharply, but just as the war ended sharply due to the support of our western partners, the russian economy has a slightly different dynamic, they had a side or the last one, well, this is the beloved letter z. yes, then there will be a sharp fall and, again, the nation has no chance for a quick recovery , because in the perspective of three, five, ten years,

the situation with our economy is much better, but this year we are suffering more. serhiy said, after all, there is only one thing that i would like to point out, and i quite often have to answer this question about what is happening to the russian economy. i would like to make it clear that the sanctions regime has a character it is not so much to stop aggression as to make it impossible in the future, in fact, well, the leaders of many western countries actually frankly said that the task of inflicting a strategic defeat on russia in ukraine and making military aggression against any country impossible in the future is not only a question about ukraine, and here are the sanctions regimes that are being introduced, which uh, well, we can also say that they are almost not

felt, well, let's say, their effect will begin to be felt uh, there from six to nine months and up to a year, uh, precisely during this period what was in the form of warehouse stocks are stored and so on, this will disappear and it is then that the problem with the russian economy will be most felt, despite the fact that there are indeed many things that, well, our citizens are not very aware of how they work, but which are already hitting very significantly hitting on to the russian economy well, for example, a banal thing is connected with the fact that the insurance rate has risen in the e. hmm, the entry of any vessels into the

russian territorial waters. let's say the european coast, and if it's about the black sea , then this one about the north sea is about the far east, and there are already ships there, and even in order to receive e-e for cars or oil products, they if they come in, you actually have to pay a huge fee i have to pay the supplier of oil and petroleum products, because otherwise it will be impossible. this in itself, on the one hand , generally limits the sale of oil and petroleum products, on the other hand, it makes it much less profitable, and that is why these huge discounts that russia is now forced to pay for for the export of its oil and petroleum products , they will be quite significantly reflected every month, this process of negative factors that will uh-uh bother the russian economy in this direction in all directions, for example, uh-uh, they left russia

the largest companies that are engaged in a-a service in oil production, because in reality, when they talk about an oil company, they are russian, in fact, they are only the owners of the production license, and physically , the production is handled by the service company, and this is well, mostly western companies that are now eh hmm or have already left or exits from the russian market, accordingly, such a situation will be asked, we understand that russia, in particular, is very deliberately trying to destroy our civil and economic infrastructure, such as blockade of ports that they time was tested in the sea of ​​azov, now it has ended with a complete total blockade of the black sea ports, respectively. they have a certain strategy in suppressing us from the other side, we understand that there must be appropriate countermeasures , in particular, with the help of our western allies

. on the other hand, we understand that we have a budget, well, well, i don't know, it probably won't even fit into the screen, a huge hole has been removed from, do we have any chance, so to speak, to use it appropriate programs, european and american, so as to solve the problem with our economy destroyed by at least 30-35%. and serhii is good. please take a look. first, give me a very simple answer, yes, and they are helping here in two directions . the european ministry of internal affairs, the world bank. it includes the budget, because when the war ends, it will begin there recovery, we are talking about already restoring the ukrainian infrastructure, i.e.

recovery investments, yes, this is the same so-called marshall plan, about which there is a lot of talk, it will be an order of magnitude more than to support the budget deficit , but they will be after the war, and there are finances, listen and there and there she is not so much in debt now as mostly already a letter of thanks boris. how do you see this story? well, it is obvious to me that we should unfortunately expect - it will still happen that russia will be generally determined to destroy all infrastructural objects of ukraine, all storage bases are now actually well meaning, all oil bases have already started to destroy elevators, and it should be expected, unfortunately, it should be expected that this can happen to objects of energy production of energy generation and god forbid that they at least be nuclear

the stations will not be touched, because it will be considered nuclear terrorism, but all the others can also be subjected to a missile gift, and this will apply to the port infrastructure, at least i expect this, and here i am quite pessimistic, because after the end of the war, even despite the arrival of significant financial aid to ukraine, i am more cautious about the speed of recovery of the ukrainian economy in its purest form, because there will be infrastructure constraints that we are unlikely to be able to solve right away, so the story here is quite sad, and russia is aware that it is the war for ukraine will ultimately lose. she will only be engaged in the destruction of everything that can allow the ukrainian economy to quickly establish itself, and a little about anti-crisis measures, as we can see, the measures that are now being

adopted in the walls of the ukrainian parliament the tax committee recommended as a basis in the first reading a new package of tax changes for the current realities of the war and the economy, i write zheleznyak 73 11, where it will be discussed now, vat and customs duties on imports by simplified companies support this norm and business says that don't discriminate - it is possible to discriminate against manufacturers in ukraine, there is a certain logic in this, and there is also in our country, benefits from vat, excise and customs duties for the import of vehicles should be canceled, and this is a story that is now acquiring specific reaction in society, in particular, fuel will continue to be taxed at a reduced vat and without excise duty, but taking into account the current situation with fuel today, i do not know

. martial law and state of emergency and budget compensation for january 22nd of the year, tax payers can, if they wish, receive in the same way a benefit that is removed for 6 months after the end of martial law delayed the payment of taxes in case of inability to pay now, what do you agree with, dear? and what should be continued. let's say yes and uh, don't regulate so harshly. sergey, this is what i don't like here, this is an increase in the military levy, because it is pressure on transparent white business, an increase the pressure on employers is mostly paid by the employees and this can lead to an increase in unemployment during the war, this is not very reasonable, of course the ministry of finance sees that it can get a certain increase in income, but harm to business again, where should we now stimulate business

, not lay off people, because without doing uh, and we can do the opposite. therefore, this is the biggest mistake. i strongly support the return of the import duty on cars, because it was a very big mistake in the first month, which created a deficit in the budget, which helped contributed to the outflow of capital and actually demonstrated a little huge social equality , because yes, many people lost their cars, but not those people who lost their languages, i don't know the year of production, but the car, for example, is there the cost of a bmw and so on, yes, yes, that is, what is wrong with us? yes, we have limited imports in order not to export currency from the country, and here suddenly we create a crazy hole and people start importing cars en masse, this is harmful, in fact, it was,

it was possible to make such benefits only for cars that go to the front is reasonable and only for those people who themselves lost their cars as a result of the fascists, but then it was justified, and i don’t know the people who lost their cars, but for volunteers and for the armed forces, yes to create an opportunity for someone to earn the result of the war is not really correct. well, i have a few comments here, first of all, regarding vat. i am a supporter of the restoration of vat . to give a deferment for there from 90 to 180 days

, a deferment is possible in this case eh well, it is appropriate that we can set a zero rate bearing in mind that later when selling products, vat must be paid in full eh, this is the first remark to that that serenad semi-finished products should arrive in ukraine without restrictions in order to be able to manufacture finished products and this creates would create opportunities for domestic producers of goods a-a i agree er-er about the fact that it is necessary to restore vat for all other goods, well, except for fuel, which er- it is taxed there at a reduced vat rate, and regarding the taxation of the wage fund , well, it’s obvious to me that this is a story in general . the territory where the enterprise and institutions work even at the time of shelling of these territories kharkiv

donetsk and dnipropetrovsk zaporizhzhia kherson mykolaiv oblast and luhansk in conditions when there is a full-scale military operation there and people work there at the same time that you want to increase the tax burden there why what for in order to say what do you want, what does that mean, uh, all kinds of business and activity of the king of mr. gay gay and the hetmanship. i think that this is a separate topic , it will be sorted out after the end of the war and its role in the lower ukrainian economy, that's why i'm here, well, it's just considered an absolute story, and it's obvious that it's necessary to reduce it, at least in those areas that i mentioned, it's necessary to reduce the tax burden, background wages, to a minimum, just so that people can work there it is open there, for example, to go to the same rate , uh, and everything is without security, because they emphasize that it is

there, uh, it is a zone of real hostilities, to provide jobs and for people to work. this is simple. therefore, in all other settlements, i believe that it is necessary, at least during the war and during the post-war recovery, for a few years , again to significantly reduce the wage bill in order to stimulate, among other things, the recovery of business activity, including where er, let's say dikinization so that people simply return to ukraine, we agree with mr. borisov, respectively. we have two minutes to finish or one and a half minutes to finish our information block. as soon as possible to correct the situation with diesel, because , for example, in rivne, the number of minibuses was halved. and we understand that there will be a chain reaction in general in all regions, well

, look quickly, you won't do anything, the only thing that needs to be removed is state regulation, we constantly see it and constantly said that as soon as the state is starting to regulate prices in the state or not. so this product, for which the price is set, is disappearing now, this is complicating the situation with the fact that the russians are bombing naftogaz, the bases are complicated by the fact that the armed forces need a lot of fuel and seeds, so you don’t do it quickly decide, but what not to interfere, at least it is necessary to remove these new regulations. well, plus , the economic situation all around, so to speak , ukraine is on the energy carriers, including the truth, we literally have a minute left until the end of the broadcast , nothing to add. i agree, sergey . you won't solve this problem, but cleaning, state regulation can be established, e-e regulation bearing in mind that there is a price e-e in the countries bordering ukraine for oil products plus profitability and this

is the upper limit a-a m-m at which e-e can be sold petroleum products but again, it is necessary to do it very carefully so as not to provoke a new wave , uh, in short supply, thank you, thank you, thank you, serhiy furf fursa, an investment banker, camps from kushniruk, as an economist, worked live on the espresso tv channel. i will tell you about how the bairaktar punishes the russian nazis. despite everything, sowing in ukraine continues, i will start with the fact that residents of mariupol have already started arriving in zaporizhzhia in their own transport, the zaporizhia regional military administration informs sometimes the evacuation from the much-suffering mariupol continues, additional locations on the way have been agreed, the

first village of mangush, the ukrainian authorities