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we are a polish historian, a sovietologist, an expert on international politics, mr. lukasz adamski, we understand that history tends to repeat itself sometimes twice, sometimes three times, and now , strangely enough, ukraine is repeating where in what and in where in why it does not fundamentally repeat the history of the republic of poland in wartime. the times of the second world war but fortunately in the ukrainian case , putin did not have any partners. well, of course, except for some eritrea or one or the other, i do not know of any other african state there, and we understand that as if the situation for ukraine is better, but all the same we see that putin tried on stalin's overcoat if they have hitler's overcoat.
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er, that in eastern ukraine, er, there is a rosyrian or russian-speaking population, and that and that, and this population is threatened by the nazis , it reminds me very much of what hitler said before the war about poland, something on the pomors, i.e. on in this part is the western part of poland which was a subjugation power in the 19th century, primarily the german-speaking population experienced that which was not true and that he was threatened with persecution by the polish authorities and then hitler had a lot of provocations and in the left, well, until new provocations came out but uh, hmmm, the attack on ukraine reminds me a lot of this, too. hmmm , hitler's attack on poland is a different matter, because then poland suffered a much worse fate than
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now . attack from one side of the guide- from hitler and from on the other side of stalin, that is, the two dictators united in their hatred and desire to share should now be with putin, no one wants to share the world that's right, that is, uh, hm, i would like to draw some parallels, so the eastern neighbor of ukraine is waging war against the will of the ukrainian the freedom of the ukrainian people against ukrainian statehood, but also another neighbor of poland, and also another ally who helps all of ukraine in 1939, the situation was different: on september 1st, germany attacked, and on september 17th, the soviet union opposed of the polish army against two such huge states and so and so and the army was impossible, and moreover, it must be said that the polish
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leadership left warsaw already on september 6-7, of course, it stayed, of course, it stayed all the time on the territory of poland, despite the fact that the head of soviet propaganda that it was the government that fled the country, it was not like that, it happened in birch, then in kremenets , they were taken in zalishchyki, but everything was not like that in warsaw, and here it turned out that ukraine and the ukrainian government were in the capital of ukraine all the time, well and because of the fact that the allies helped ukraine a lot, i would say more than the allies of poland in the 39th year, so we have it, i am very happy because ukraine avoided the essence of fate. yes, we understand that if it is about the 39th year, then the polish allies formalized polish allies that this but
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provide and accordingly military aid they began to wage the so-called strange war in france and great britain did not formally find themselves in the last wars, but de facto they almost did not fight for poland, and historians know that in in principle, if it were not for the enormous pressure from great britain, then france probably would not have declared war against germany at all, but that's all. but it's good that england, great britain, put pressure on france on september 3rd, of course, how did each other start? and you, germany's war with the west and its allies but in fact they did nothing except that uh with uh that airplanes could fly into uh german airspace and distribute leaflets to the german population and besides the fact that the french army occupied several uh several sat on the german-french border, but they didn’t do anything, and after
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two weeks of war, they decided that they would n’t do anything at all because, uh, the flat army would still lose this war, this campaign against germany, uh and we just need time to prepare more for the war and they, uh, you have such a tatyana conference to break up, they decided to postpone military actions until the spring of 1940, and uh, what was the result? well, we know that germany first defeated poland and then eh then eh in eh in in may and june of the 1940s to france, if france had come forward and in what way had it taken over part of this burden of the war already in september of the 1939s to the probable fate of poland, it would also have been different now, such an impression that it is as if without the world, the world has learned the lessons and it is possible. it is just
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that we are talking about specific historical lessons, because we see that in europe they understood that if the war were to unfold, it would affect the european union, america also understood that if international law is violated in such a violent, i don't know the military way, then, in general, the legal system all over the world will simply fall apart, and they have such an impression that they really took into account the lessons of history, yes, and this, but this is not only the lesson of hitler's war against whom else, and also earlier the lesson of the munich agreement. so when the check was completed, they forced to the point that it ceded part of its territory to germany in 308, but it is also a conviction that if we are not able to hold the aggressor now when he is waging a conventional war against ukraine if we now we will not be ready to pay the price for er
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for that er then this political price will be much higher when putin starts to load a non -conventional war with a war no no he does not start a conventional war but then not load the world or in particular in fact with nuclear weapons, in the end, they don’t run away, that is, they don’t even hide. of course, it has not yet passed, relatively speaking, the bombing, but they regularly wave nuclear warheads and, in principle , they have no other means. since only charging, but we understand that now it is intimidation before all of western public opinion, but if, for example , we think about such a very negative scenario as it came true, but that putin occupied kyiv and threw it like mario's genetic regime, marina, as it was done by stalin , by the way, in 1940 and in 1945 year, and from that, the aggressor would be
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so encouraged to make further demands and, for example, he would be concerned about the fate of the russian-speaking population in estonia in narva, yes. and if, eh, what if someone did not take into account his demands well then it is world russian diplomacy i reminded and we have nuclear weapons because of that. of course, this is a lesson from the epicenter. there is a policy of appeasement of the aggressor, and of the mistakes made by the free world in relation to poland. well, were they mistakes. i don’t know if they were attempts to feed the polish the meat of predators, because we understand that these are the pillars of world democracy , we are talking about roosevelt, we are talking about prime minister churchill, who in our history of geography stand out as huge heroes, in fact, they did something indecent to poland, if not completely indecent, of course they did not want this, but stalin their
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implemented such a situation when stalin took poland for himself, although even at the yalta conference they agreed on something else in the end. so you are talking about a puppet government. well, so far, there was also an attempt, for example, by putin to restore the yanukovych regime, so with the help of one or another falsifications, i am more than sure that he tried to sell it in the west, in the west they didn't buy it, but churchill and roosevelt were forced to buy the so-called lublin government, that is, stalin's puppets, so who were the poles whom stalin promoted and in the end it ended why did they communistize poland, but that's how it was. although i would bet here on the difference between roosevelt and churchill. because if i had recently published on the 9th documents about polish soviet relations, it shows our tv viewers extremely useful for reading, well, most of
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them in polish, but all the same in luke, my greece, you did a great job and extremely important for a better understanding of how the allies played with their younger partner, in particular, not only about that, but of course, this one a set of e-e documents in e-e it concerns e-e many aspects of polish-soviet relations during the second world war, including taking into account the positions of the allies, but e-e churchill was the weakest e-e partner in the big three a-e hmm because great britain was also economically weaker than the united states. it was stalin thanks to the fragrant meat of the population of the soviet union, but europe was covered with soviet corpses of soviet soldiers. on the other hand, it also contributed to it
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a huge contribution to the defeat of nazi germany, of course we understand that if it wasn't for lindsay , if it wasn't for the strong help from the western democracies, maybe the soviet union didn't stand, but it's all the same and here stalin is a strong political tycoon and churchill was simply forced to maneuver between his solidarity and his sympathy for poland. if he loved poland, he loved the poles, in particular, just the prime minister and commander-in-chief during the second world war, general chukovsky, who died in a plane crash in 1943. the year after that plane crash in strange circumstances, we still don't know what exactly caused this gibraltar disaster eh, but he eh, he eh, then his successor, the example of minister mykolaichyk, so it
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is eh his eh face appears here on the cover of eh one since then, i had this sympathy and wanted to help poland in some way, but i was a partner of ruzvet, who knew little about poland, had an absolutely italianistic attitude towards stalin. and he thought that this could be the quality of a partner in building a new world order after the victory over germany, plus uh, roosevelt looked at england as a colonial empire and, of course, poland. the polish government, which was in london, tried to act as churchill's protege, and that's why there is almost a lot of evidence in those documents, how uh, roosevelt uh, offered the poles, promised uh- um, there is the defense of the polish polish polish polish
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state interest. yes, but in fact i am not doing anything, and the church is reasonable, and that is why everyone else, and here again something very interesting is the church. for accepted stalin's territorial claims, because here we must also remind that uh, hmm, according to international law, the soviet annexation of western ukraine of western belarus was false. it did not have any legal consequences, it was just like the occupation of crimea, but then stalin forced the polish government to sign and sign so but this happened only in august of 1945 and august of 1945. so when this treaty was signed, it entered into force in february of 1946, of course, here is lviv, yes , grodno, it was part of the soviet union on the other hand, during the second world war, this
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territory was legally polish, it had a zaporozhian territory, this was recognized by the western allies, but they also understood that stalin would not give up the claim and therefore exerted enormous pressure so that poland agreed to give 48 percent of its pre-war territories, old and new. and tomorrow, as promised, she was able to appreciate her freedom, and the london government was able to return to the country of stalin in the 1943s . i wanted to make my own marina such a government because i thought that any poland that would be independent would be anti-soviet, plus any problem would be an approach to ukraine that any ukrainian ukraine would be anti-russian and therefore what should be done to annihilate what we have now seen in putin's attempts. yes, he believed that any polish country that is not under the
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control of the communists will want to use the ukrainian card and play against the soviet union, therefore, again, it is simply interesting and the ukrainian argument of the negotiations regarding the fate lviv of halychyna, in particular, also played a huge, huge role in those combinations, those diplomatic directs during the second world war, in any case, stalin was simply not interested in the existence of a sovereign poland because he believed that it would always be soviet. the worst thing was that everything ended. the so-called process of the 16th, when the representatives of the legitimate polish authorities, so in the 45th year they were actually lured by general sirov, who acted under a different pseudonym, that is, one of the heads of the soviet punitive bodies lured them they gave a guarantee for the negotiations, then they were arrested , taken to moscow, a trial was held there. well, the allies of
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poland, so to speak, expressed their very deep concern and indignation. it's just that general kulitsky was shot dead in a soviet prison somewhere on christmas eve of 1946, that is, accordingly, i think the prospects in ukraine would be similar if putin's such stalin's plan, if i look at the russian policy towards ukraine, the russian war, and see that they don't know anything new, they can't even come up with any other approaches, approaches, how, if, if we were to distract ourselves from the second world war, what would we do ? other even parallels of the 18th century, so what does catherine ii do when poland accepted er
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poland was then the commonwealth er, more precisely, it stretched almost under kyiv and it er in things of the commonwealth in 30-791 was adopted the first constitution in europe as i speak and about what about that which gave certain guarantees to such different sections of the population, and she also gave, if hmm, she created the ground for further reform of the state. kateryna said that it was jacobinism, that it was some kind of influence of revolutionary france and that it created a threat to the russian empire. she created her own such two different polish traitors made their own counter-government, a confederation of governments, which it made in such a ukrainian town of a merchant a on the then flat-russian russian border, revenge began to defend itself, but it did not succeed
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the king is forced to proceed with this counter- government well, and then there was the second and third section of the common thing , this propaganda is very similar to the propaganda against the maidan, what is this, something similar was also in the 20s, it seems in 1918, the bolsheviks who created the government in kharkiv the bolshevik pseudo-government that they supported and said, well, what are we going to talk to the central rada if there is our own pocket bolshevik government, i.e. and we see something similar in the 45th year, when they also began to implement the lublin government, as well as the 794th suvorov and so russia and the russians are famous, he was, in fact, he was the killer of prague, labor in front of the places in warsaw, yes, yes, it can be said that the right bank part of warsaw was also there when
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suvorov's troops entered, but they killed several thousand the mass of children, women, and this rubber is on the way, but this is absolutely terrible, because now they are slaughtered, then in the 19th century, russian propaganda always said that it is not fighting that russia is not against the prussian people, but against the nobility, against xiaomi the elite are the nobility, or not, as they say anti-russian, now they also say that they are not against these ukrainians, but not against what, against the nazis , against the bandera people, against like other ukrainian elites, who messed up, what messed up the scientists, yeah, yeah, with the west, that is, this textbook. we already know, of course, few people talk about it. that pushkin in every possible way supported russian imperial policy and propaganda, in particular against the poles, that is, pushkin openly called to do, for example, to suppress the poles as soon as possible. that's how pushkin wrote in two
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poems, the anniversary of borodin and the leaders of russia well, it was easy there if you read russian, every ukrainian at least reads russian with a dictionary , even a cool pity because, for example, putin says, we can repeat yes, we can repeat, we can do the massacre of prague again, because pashkevich was the main commander of the russian army that was captured from warsaw in 10-831 and suppressed the uprising of the poles, and we had a given point maidan , in fact, yes, yes, it was given to us by pushkin, the weak grandson of suvorov, and seriously, suvorov, well, he is the person responsible for the massacre of prague, and well, and the second world war there katyn crime eh what happened eh the germans eh announced that they found the remains of the graves graves of the regiments eh of the military
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position of the crime if this is how to translate yes i don't know the concept of the current russian-ukrainian war it's something of great ilovaisk yes that is, when the nkvd shot polish officers who were prisoners of war and were in official captivity, something like that when they gave a green circle, a green corridor, they allowed an exit, they gave all the guarantees, after what they did, they started shooting. and i would even that did they compare ilovaisk to kramatorsk , because after this terrible crime in kramatorsk , when the people who were waiting for the train that was supposed to attack them were killed by a russian cruise missile, so what did the russian mfa do, it said that we simply do not have any relationship before this crime, it is the ukrainian army that is killing people in order to harm the country and make bad pr for russia. when the germans gave evidence that it was the soviet union who shot polish officers in katyn
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the polish government and the fact that it is mentioned in those documents turned to the international black cross so that it was somehow investigated and stalin said no no, this means that the polish government is cooperating with hitler's germany and that this is a slander against the soviet union and he is -he demanded that or that the polish government officially supported the version that it was the germans who shot a at the bolsheviks. and if the government . well, accordingly, the question is what does it suggest inner intuition as now a great international solitaire game will unfold, so because there is one question about the chessboard. because putin has long since jumped behind the inter-chessboard. so we understand that this is already starting a big, very big war, we don't
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know which way it will go, which countries it will also affect the countries of the continent. but this is no longer a local, not a small story, yes. well, i think that hmm, what is happening now in the west if the supporters of two positions of one say that everything must be done so that ukraine does not defend itself but it also regained its territorial integrity , because only in this way will we be able to restore justice and defeat russia with the truth, when this will not happen, when we make some kind of truce with russia, and russia will again want to invade ukraine once again, they will go, for example, great britain this of course, also the position of poland and so on, but unfortunately i am also a conscription, which is what i would say somehow to apismment, which, as well as reconciliation, reconciliation, as they say , not only the chancellor-show, but a large part of the germans would like to end the war as soon as possible
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even at the cost of further territorial concessions , he will de facto lose control over kherson region or other fragments of western eastern ukraine. i apologize for the fact that they are afraid of war, they are afraid of what putin can do . chamberlain, how is it, english, german, and the french prime minister considered it in the 38th year, and well, this is also a history lesson, that's why it's so important. i think it's very important for ukrainians to read about the history of poland, it is the time of the second world war, because there are just so many parallels with ukraine, and there are also many. i would say that you can
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think of them as and we are calling and standing polish politicians do not have a single view on even what to do next when they were faced with the demands of stalin whether to cede sovereignty or cede territory for the sake of salvation -e hmm, it's not the flood of the country. is everything like this and fight to the end? i believe that ukraine should fight to the end end, but on the other hand, well, as a participating historian, i can say that, well, poland tried to do that, but it turned out quite badly, well, they simply said that poland tried, but for some reason the allies failed, so because churchill and roosevelt. well, then roosevelt , roosevelt died, and truman was left, but they looked at the whole world, and poland was important for them, but not the main point, and stalin was
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a partner for them, but the question is at the level of the researcher's political intuition, so how much more decent is it to do the same in the situation with ukraine if you compare joe biden and boris johnson , for example, with churchill, roosevelt goes. i think that biden is much more honest than rusik. roosevelt, i believe , was a huge influence of stalin . roosevelt had even agents in his entourage. a lot of help to ukraine is that biden was the leader of galicia who now supports ukraine and provides it with military er military weapons regarding johnson and churchill well, i already said that i er and if i would always try to er protect defend the prime minister churchill, or i understand in which conditions, for example, there
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is such and such a very similar conversation, which can even be the subject of a theater play, a conversation between churchill and the polish prime minister immediately after the conversation of their conversation with the stalinists and the devil says yes, you must now sign an agreement with stalin, because if you don't do this, then stalin will occupy this poland, uh, he will make this gang of uh, moravian people, that is, this polish pickle government is actually a government, and in the end he will also put pressure on the western union, что rozvel and then we will probably be forced to admit that you should come to an agreement now, or your negotiating position will only get worse, well, of course you can criticize the czech republic for that, but at least he was honest with the poles during the opening, this was not the case now the prime minister minister with jones. i would say, well , this is an example of how a politician understands what the
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principles of defense of values are and understands that if ukraine is not defense, we are the basis of international law and decency in ukraine , then the whole system there will be global security destroyed, and if not russia, then china or other states will also want to expand their territories by military means and by not neglecting international law. well, unfortunately, the frequent conversation has run out. what he wants to thank for the fact that he issued these important documents once again thank you dear viewers thank you see you see you volunteers from
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