mr. artem, there is a connection now somewhere. now we will redial mr. artem. you see, when mr. actem recounted how he spoke to the servants of the people, for some reason the connection disappeared in the session hall of the parliament of ukraine, when the verkhovna rada, mr. artem , yes, yes, yes, i am in the presence of representatives servants , you know, what is surprising is the guys sitting here. the girls, most of them there are 30 years old, 32 28, that is, they have not seen the soviet union. yes, but for some reason they are brought up in such a way that for them this indescribable, which was

present in the brains of this pro-russian russian и русской or there's a русская дума still a population that is already there, there are probably their grandfathers' parents, but you are quiet today, a young person who has a mother. datu this is the enemy that destroyed you, ukrainianism is the enemy that has been making cattle out of you all these years well, well, ours is the old generation. it is probably still part of it that does not even want to accept it. and you are a young person brought up . they want, he doesn't want , he wants. well, everyone told him that he didn't

times because they will be chosen now and they are communicating , the more ratings are needed, and he knows that he will not be listened to, he will no longer be in the verkhovna rada, yes, that is, he will be cleaned, cleaned, this is lucky for him that he got into this dome, that is why they are offering us such political tourism today to go there and see our er refugees. no need to. they didn’t get to russia. they are in such conditions where er, they communicate for them. it’s better if you tourists come and talk to our rabble-rousers. you know, you feel from they are very much into this uh-uh they want it, then this

chain of uh-uh connection between the people uh-uh and uh-uh mmm those who today register with their lives well for them it is very important and even more so this it is important for you, yes. and so you know . when you bring something, they hug you like a brother there , because it is for this chain. we can also tie it more tightly so that all of ukraine, all ukrainians, are here in the war, yes, until we win, until we all together with them, we will finally liberate all our territories. well, by the way, it is victory day in our country will also have its own after this war, when after our victory, and finally, mr. akhtem, the question

is, do you expect that on may 9, according to our military intelligence, putin can announce mobilization and declare an official war against ukraine ? he will say that the person is already sick and very strong , sick with the brain and er wait like him how are we intelligent people waiting for some kind of sequence logic yes we don't need to know clearly what we have now it is finally possible to get rid of this er maniacal, that is their essence, that we are some kind of nation here. no, the nation is like a state and what he is doing there with his slaves. well, he has it

all there, the so-called constitution, that is, i said before , this is the constitution, it legalized serfdom rights. yes, within the framework of this state, it is not the state of russia, so i think that we see that specialization is going that way, that he will not back down from his intentions, and that is why we know that we have been there. we don't want to hear anything there. our partners insist on this and say eh look, he will do this. this is what he will do , he will destroy you. and here we are, well, we need to listen and prepare for this, and now we have all the opportunities to finally destroy them . and this is what is more important to me those are

his laurels piskovy that's that, that's badlota, what do you remember about it? to be honest, i didn't pay much attention to it before, and i didn't pay much attention to it, and now thank you, mr. akhtem. and all the best since panchii hod is now on the way, we are in touch with the people's deputy of ukraine andrii osadchuk p andrii slava ukraine, glad to see you thank you for joining our broadcast, glory to the heroes, glad to see you, those who are watching us online , please like this video i am now addressing those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, subscribe to our pages on youtube and facebook below, you can see links to our resources on various social networks on instagram, telegram, twitter, please

please read us also on the espresso tv website p andriy, we started today's conversation with our guests on the topic of sharia detention in spain, because the fight against russian collaborators and propagandists is no less important than with russian enemies on the territory of the ukrainian state we have already talked about the fact that in spain, it seems, sharia was detained and released after signing a pre-trial sentence not to leave, he apparently returned to barcelona, ​​where he is still staying there, and still, in your opinion, is it enough now, during the war, the ukrainian special services are fighting with those who are the information pool of the kremlin. i mean not only in this case sharia,

which is in spain, there are many people who, until february 24, 2022, spoke under the slogan putin is coming, and some of them remain they remain even in the only telethon that is currently run by a pool of ukrainian tv channels. what needs to be done in order for this struggle to be more effective and we finally understood that this is just as important as the victory of ukraine in the east in the south, under the raisins, near donetsk, near luhansk, or in kherson, in fact, thank you very much for this very question, because literally in the last two days i had a whole series of conversations on the topic of how to better and more effectively bring russian propagandists to justice, because here the situation from the point of view of criminal justice is quite clear or in any criminal crime, not

only the perpetrator of the crime is punished, there are those who help , those who incite . instigators to the commission of a crime, and accordingly , any combatant who came to ukraine to kill nazis and in some places believes in this - he believes in this, first of all, because he is a victim of propaganda, and accordingly, he is a victim of the work of specific persons who over the years planted certain lying narratives distorted reality and thus created emotional grounds for specific russian soldiers to commit war crimes, that is, those who work for propaganda, they are the same from the point of view of the logic of criminal law responsible for committing war crimes

. what is the specific russian soldier who shot , raped, robbed on the territory of ukraine, that is why the prosecution and prosecution of kremlin propagandists as you rightly say, it is no less important than the prosecution of any other persons, here is one of the procedural reasons from the point of view of proof - it is much more difficult and we have to work with it, of course, on the one hand, we see that the ukrainian special services are working, and here we have to express our gratitude to the security services of ukraine and others to our special units, you remember that we, as the opposition, of course criticized them and there was something to criticize before the war, but now the war is putting everything in its place , and we see and know that in our special services there are a lot of patriotic officers who with full dedication

are working for our victory and are ready to do everything in order to bring criminals to justice, but the fact is that sharia detention is just the beginning of this journey of sharia from barcelona to a prison with a long forty-year sentence and here we must understand what it is huge legal and diplomatic practical work on this particular comrade, but it is no less important to work with the mouthpieces of the kremlin, and i assure you and the audience that the verkhovna rada committee on law enforcement activities. through a systematic analysis of the entire russian media space in recent years in order to distinguish

e by quantity and quality e-e those messages that were voiced there by the skabeevs and further on the list i them i don't know, but the experts know them in order to transform it into evidence of criminal guilt, that is, in the dry residue, the work is being carried out, it is difficult , it will take a long time, but nothing happens quickly here, but we are obliged to carry out all legal procedures as clearly as possible, because it is important for us not to make a mistake, because we understand that they will all defend themselves through lawyers whom they will hire. if they find somewhere else in europe willing to defend them, but they will defend themselves, our goal as a civilized country is that these people should spend significant terms in places of deprivation of liberty, that is why we are working on it. i am sure that the result will be p.

andrii, it is obvious that we are talking not only about kremlin propagandists, but also about those people who worked for the russian federation within the state. obviously , we are not talking about 10, not about 20 people. about the thousands of people who were tied up by the russian federation in ukraine, we are talking about various political parties whose activities are restricted or prohibited now in ukraine, we are talking about politicians who are currently sitting in verkhovna rada, but they are definitely representatives of the fifth column. i mean a former member of the faction, the opposition platform for life. we are also talking about a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine . as the first deputy of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on

law enforcement activities, rely first of all on the investigation, on the conclusions of the investigation and on the law. but will it not happen that after our victory over the russian federation, this work on collaborators will not end with what it all ended after the revolution of dignity, when all these pro-russian forces will begin to emerge again in ukraine under various other names, which are actually already emerging under another name, what should be done, relatively speaking, in order to carry out a full-scale lustration of not only political forces as well as public organizations of journalists, including those who also advocated the need for the entry of russian troops into ukraine, because this is what we are talking about. to ukraine, i think first of all you need to have a good memory. we are all very focused on the events. today

we quickly forget what was there even a week ago. and when you ask a very correct question about a bunch of people who directly or indirectly contributed to russian aggression and promoted russian peoples, that was all. obviously, it was all in front of our eyes, and now we see that many of them quickly turned into ukrainian patriots and are beginning to disguise themselves under patriotic rhetoric in every possible way, and i think that this is of great importance mass media have such professionals as you, like your channel, and those like you who should cover not only current news, but who should very clearly and emphatically remind who did how and what the last one did, at least there, i don’t know 4-5 years, and we by the

way, we remember how many active members of the verkhovna rada covered the topic of may 2 in odesa. they are politicians because , i'm sorry, they are ukrainian politicians because they had and still have the mandate of some people's deputies or deputies of local councils, as well as public organizations, that is, from a legal point of view, by and large, and the legislative instruments are all there, respectively, in order to bring this work to a full-fledged what do you say about political lustration and i completely agree with you ukraine must get out of that war not only by defeating russia on the automatic front on the sectional front we must

defeat russia inside ukraine and prevent not even a hint of the reincarnation in the next convocation of the verkhovna rada of any non- pro-russian forces, and even those who have at least some sentiments towards the russian federation, even under the guise of some cultural or historical aspects, because we all know exactly what is under this sauce russian peace is always being promoted, that is, i believe that currently there are more than enough legislative instruments, and the responsibility of serving the executive power in the law enforcement system in the courts, which i will remind you, is still not up to finally reformed and we have to constantly remind ourselves that, unfortunately, in the 2.5 years before the war, the new ukrainian government has not finished the exercise of reforming the ukrainian courts, because everything we are talking about with you now makes sense only after the court verdict, whether the person is guilty or not but also i

think that freedom of speech and media democracy, which fortunately still exists in ukraine, should work as much as possible, although there are also issues regarding access to broadcasts, including the situation with the espresso channels, but everyone in their city should do this work so that no one forgot who said what and when told what actions he took part in, how he laid flowers in odesa and what posts he made in telegram or other social media, so i think it is a joint responsibility that should lead all of us to the reality of a new ukraine where there will be no no place in any allusion to any russian federation p andrii e we are now on the eve of may 9, which putin pompously wants to celebrate not only in russia

but also according to the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense and in the destroyed mariupol at least serhiy kiriyenko, who is now one of the curators of the occupied donbas of the donbas, he is the first deputy head of the administration of the president of the russian federation and a person who is called one of the possible successors of putin , apparently started the preparation of this apparatus in the midst of the destroyed mariupol in this city already volodymyr solovyov, a propagandist of the russian federation, was spotted, not as if there will be a march of the immortal regiment, as they do in all of russia. neither the march of the immortal regiment will take place this year, nor in donetsk, nor in luhansk, that is, they

are afraid of these actions in general, even in the occupied cities, but in mariupol it is very important for them to show, as i understand it, to the russian public that mariupol is under the control of the russian federation what do you expect in the next few days , given that putin and his team are symbolists, that they will want to wrap up some kind of victory for the russians, either in the form of mariupol taken or in the form of there of the shelled cities of ukraine, including the capital of ukraine. since we have seen in the last few days the intensification of the shelling of the russian federation with cruise missiles on the main cities of ukraine. and here you say that putin and his camp are symbolists, you know, i would look at it much more broadly . it is important to understand eh by analyzing eh capabilities and practices of your enemy the whole soviet

system was actually successful because it lasted for many decades because they very rigidly put the first number always ideological work and it worked for them and it worked for them even now despite all the difficulties that exist in the russian federation, including the fact that they spend time and resources on ideological work, here is not only a question of advice, but literally yesterday i had a short conversation about renaming streets in the city kyiv when i was a deputy of the kyiv city council, we remember we talked a lot about this and heard this narrative very, very often and what do you have nothing else to do? i don't know, there is some kalinin hanging there, some zhdanov, who cares? no one is interested in this, but look what the russians are doing now, when they temporarily enter

some ukrainian villages, they tear down the decommunized names and put up old new signs. ideology, that's why these events, parades , celebrations of sacred dates are important to them, and they will definitely work on it. and they will do it, so i will comment on what i expect from them . somehow, to fall behind in the dynamics of ideological work. because the more any monuments, signs, monuments , names will remain in ukraine, the easier it will be for russia to move forward, because when it is once again in recent decades, i don't know the 10th or which raises the issue of complete decommunization and complete

russification, we have to understand that this is a priority, because the names of our streets, city and village squares, what monuments we see, our people see around them - this shapes the worldview, it shapes perception information therefore, we must do this by returning to the russian invaders, so they will definitely try to somehow implement it 9 it is clear that everything they planned from the very beginning failed, because it will be very difficult to present some kind of victory to a toothy russian audience. but i have no doubt that in they will somehow adjust some media events for this, although it will not affect the course of the war in any way. you mentioned the missile attacks , it was already clear almost a month ago, or what? they will have more difficulties on the front on the ground.

the more they will use the means of air attacks. and this is what you and i have been watching for more than a week already. i think the war will continue in its own way, no matter how cruel it is. sounds in the usual format, er, our hope and our field is the armed forces of ukraine, which are breaking all these plans er and intentions of the russians. the common man will begin to understand something more or less serious. i think that the nearest two or three months will be no sooner than when international sanctions will have their maximum effect, when the refrigerator will begin to empty and when the number of coffins that still

go to the russian federation will exceed such a level that it will be possible to hide it, so let them show what they want on television, and their agony is already ongoing and will only increase in the next couple of months. thank you, mr. andriy, for the conversation. i wish you good health and all the best time for our program and the end it was andrii osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine it was a program, the verdict was also brought by serhiy rudenko i wish you good health and all the best , see you on monday at 13:00 bye everyone, watch the news on our channel espresso and euro programs espresso for ukrainian refugees in europe co-broadcast with the atp channel radio svoboda programs voice of america time-time programs

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