well, we need to get ready for a long struggle, which is until may 9 and which will be after may 9. but in this context, it is impossible to give putin any signals that may 9 remains for ukraine and for ukrainians a significant day that connects ukraine with nine may day seems to me to be the only time that ukraine was part of the soviet union , because the world has a symbolic day, may 8, and the world on may 8 honors all those who died in the second world war and the slogan this day never again . repeat the fascists. this is russian nazism, which today they are demonstrating on the territory of ukraine, and we simply have to give up this day by our decision, because it is not our holiday and it is not history. the

only thing that was correct in this resolution is a clear statement that ukraine is part of the world a coalition of states won nazism and we can definitely never give up on this, because millions, not hundreds of thousands, but millions of ukrainians gave their lives for this victory, and this should always be recorded in world history, but i deeply regret that there was not enough political will to cancel this day, it is a certain symbolic day for ukraine, because i think that on may 9, the russian nazis will hold some kind of events , either in moscow on red square or in mariupol or in some other place, how will we ukrainians react to it and how will we ukrainians we will be perceived, therefore it seems to me that the verkhovna rada mistakenly rejected the draft law that mykhailo mykhailo spoke about and adopted a resolution,

part of which is of course very correct, so we do not pretend that it was some kind of property of european solidarity, when european solidarity proposed a resolution on recognizing the crimes of muscovites on the territory of ukraine as genocide of ukrainians, we renounced our authorship only and we agreed with the fact that this authorship was also the voice of the people and the homeland and european solidarity and all these political forces, and this was symbolic to the world because after that, the baltic countries and canada, following the ukrainian parliament , accepted these crimes of the muscovites and the genocide of ukrainians. may, unfortunately, so far we have lost that in my studio one year we discussed this topic and always agreed that in fact, the eighth is enough for us to remember these people and pay tribute to them, and the ninth should be refused, but here, at the

event, everyone agreed with this rather er, they were just saying that it was a landmark. tell me, please, did we think a year ago that 74% of ukrainians would consider stepan bandera a national hero of ukraine, or did we think six months ago that more than 80% of ukrainians would renounce our moscow past in composition of russia, let's return to this graph and really show it, but now we have to include in our conversation vasyl vovka, major general of the sbu, an expert on state security, the head of the main investigative department of the sbu in the 1970s and 14-15 years, vasyl to you as an expert and we want your to hear my opinion, they have already spoken here, but they said everything what in our studio is mostly politics about what we should expect these days on the eve of the sacred may 9 for the russian federation, the day of their victory what expect ukrainians these days, how high are

the risks of intense shelling of the same western ukraine? what was hinted at today by the mayor of ivano-frankivsk, ruslan martsynkiv? i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. to the heroes, thank god. friends, colleagues, mr. oleg and mr. mykhailo, and they have different opinions, but they all agree, by and large, on one thing : ukraine does not have er ukraine must win ukraine must be defeated on all these er issues i i will not touch on a few of the main topics briefly, and in order not to burden your attention, the first one is about the position and on the front. we have seen different comments. i believe that commenting on the front briefings is an

exclusive matter, the exclusive competence of the general staff. there are morning and evening briefings. he knows how to read them, so he understands and agrees with mr. elen that let's not throw our hats high, it can't be worth much to us, i don't care about how the peace of ivano-frankivsk came about and he played it safe, i think he did the right thing so that there will be a better harvest for us this year, we are sending all the awards to the fields. let them work. whoever wants to celebrate somewhere from the company 4-5,6 will gather from celebrating and any gathering of people within the city limits. this is a very big danger. i support the mayor ivano-frankivsk and in general, if we speak in general e, we are in military time, there is no military time here before the weekend, there are no weekends

after the weekend, there are no holidays, including . i would not celebrate any holidays at all today, including religious ones. by the way, religious people understand very well because they pray for peace every day at home, so that the war does not cease to be a war and ukraine wins, but general phrases i wanted us to come out of this with regard to the may holidays or not. well, there is indeed a danger, these are the days that are decisive for the aggressor country of russia and what to expect from them from those accurate and green very accurate missiles, as mr. mykhailo has already said collected, well, god knows him if the high-precision rockets were wrong, then these fast-moving ones are all the more capable, that's why i once again call

on people together, er, i emphasize with the mayor of ivano-frankivsk, he is a young man, er, once again, i say he played it safe, of course, but he did the right thing. people, be careful, it's somebody's memorial days, somebody's memorial days, somebody else's, but they predict great danger for you and for the environment, because if you're going, you're inviting your neighbor to this gathering, born on it is possible to forget about it for even more days. it can be done, and indeed it can be done in addition to the 7th , 8th, and 9th, so there will be another 15-20 and 25, so you mentioned high-precision missiles or not very high-precision missiles, in your opinion, how many of these russian missiles are left after all, there was a message to the federation that, in particular, odesa's runway at the odesa airport

had already been fired at by anti- ship missiles. well, they are effective to a certain extent, but they are no longer adapted to attack ground targets, how many of them do they have? rockets in order to raise the spirit of our fighters at the front, the spirit of the ukrainian people in the rear of those who work really grow bread, who bakes bread, then e works in the housing and communal economy and really brave people everywhere because they work under fire and we still have ukraine really under with fire, it is necessary to say that there are no rockets left in russia, that they are silicates, which will not reach us until the summer in some time. you understand that it is necessary , but let's be realistic again. it's better to play it safe, you see, once again i really liked the american one, what can not be improved , what will be so safe, there are no rockets, dear friends, there is nothing to be afraid of. what are they afraid of, they have missiles and

, unfortunately, they will for a long time, let's approach the situation objectively and really not toss hats up a little, toss them up low, you can, but not high, then we won’t catch this closet, thank general vovka because few people know, and people should know that this is a humble person, in 2014, he organized and conducted a special operation on the release of alpha soldiers and at the end of 2014 conducted an operation to free 150 ukrainian soldiers , including the soldiers of the donbas battalion from the rashitskyi captivity, so thank you, mr. volodymyr, thank you, well, first of all, people should know that everything must be done and we will always do it for ukraine for we can talk about the victory of ukraine in the context of

may 9, let's also look at the graph, which shows how ukrainians are now reacting to these dates of 8-9 , and how do they think we should celebrate or remember this, the sociological group conducted the rating research there should literally be two numbers and it is clear that 80% of those who were asked believe that after all we need memorial day and not victory day, which was imposed on us and given to us because we are waiting for our victory day and not the one that is on may 9. when i think about it , mrs. oksana savchuk said that what a day of victory is possible, we must frankly tell everyone that in the 45th year one occupier defeated another team, everything was very simple then, and then they learned, we ukrainians because what the putin club is doing now, he wants to return us to that what happened in the 45th year before the soviet occupation

, let's apologize, let's take a closer look , ask a frenchman, it's victory day for them, they 'll say yes, we were liberated by the poles, it's victory day, we became free, we had hitler, then stalin came, we became hungarians ask a czech, a slovak, we were, we became really good , the life of the un is yes, look, yes, the frenchman . to ask why the parliament refused to vote on this idea to cancel victory day. as a holiday in ukraine , we understand all the undercurrents of this to the agenda of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, so the parliament did not refuse to vote on this or that law of ukraine, there was a resolution and the whole parliament voted for it, if i am not mistaken all factions because it really was a victory over

nazism today, we are again fighting to defeat nazism, but today it is already in moscow, there is a point of concentration, a point of growth which is actually spreading this contagion on the territory of this world, it is not only ukraine, let's be frank, it was syria, it was georgia, it was chechnya, it was many other states or where, directly or impersonated, the russian federation did it, and in fact, let's be frank today in ukraine there can be no holidays, the next holiday that you and i will celebrate will really be victory day, but it will be the day of our victory, which i hope will come very soon . the armed forces that bring this day closer every day

for this everyone does it in their own place uh, a lot of people today talked about teachers, doctors, uh, workers in the agricultural and economic sphere, even politicians, because regardless of uh, different views of different political vectors but in this studio are sitting representatives of various parties and factions that have been working within the walls of the verkhovna rada since the 24th, even objectively a little earlier, when we introduced the state of emergency . i say even a little earlier, because when we introduced the state of emergency, politics was postponed and everyone worked for victory and is working. today, i hope that this trend will remain in the future, and it annoys russia very much, because you already mentioned that today that putin should be given credit, not

a single person in the world could unite the country like that. 95-97% of ukrainians are ukrainians. first of all, they consider themselves ukrainians , and secondly, they do everything to ensure that our country wins and that we really can to celebrate victory day and to make it happen as soon as possible. yes, i would like one more phrase about uh, on may 9, in the direction of maintaining public order, we talked about the military in this way, we did not mention our security forces , representatives of the special services, it is also a big challenge for them, because mass gatherings of people general vovk spoke about this - this is another challenge and danger, the level of a terrorist operation, the level of danger will definitely increase, our system of the ministry of internal affairs, in particular, the national police, at the beginning of the war, demonstrated itself as a serious law enforcement

today, they are at the checkpoints, they are also at the front lines and the national guard. it is very important that you do not have mass events these days, not only in ivano-frankivsk, but also in all other cities. i am sure that the mayors will discuss these issues at the commission meetings. with the law enforcement officers, because they have a big load , moreover, there is a system for emergency situations, these are the people who are also today demining others on the front lines of ensuring fire safety. that is, this will be another challenge for the law enforcement officers and there are fewer people on the streets of public cities, the fewer calls every day in all regions without exception, subversive and intelligence groups are detained in every region without exception, this is also a primary challenge that these days there may be heightened attention because of this, law enforcement officers need

to work in these days in a special mode, here we see this map, it is important, uh, 23 explosions, first of all, a full-scale invasion of the russian federation in lviv region 8, and you see, under this, we are starting to worry, unfortunately, it is something symbolic history and as we can see not even in zakarpattia oblast zakarpattia oblast there was one explosion in chernivtsi oblast no friends now a short pause we have a bomb shelter on the territory of our studio we go down to the bomb shelter and continue our broadcast hmm from the bomb shelter attention the department of civil protection of the lviv oblast state administration , citizens, air alarm, turn off the lights, gas, put out the fire in the ovens, take personal protective equipment, documents, food supplies and water, warn neighbors and help the sick and

elderly to go outside as soon as possible get to a protective structure or hide in the area maintain peace and order carefully listen to the message of the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration attention the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration is speaking citizens air alarm turn off the light, gas, put out the fire in the stoves , take personal protective equipment, documents stockpile of food and water, warn the neighbors and help the sick and elderly people to get outside, get to a protective structure as soon as possible or hide in the area, observe peace and order, carefully listen to the message

of the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration, attention, the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration says citizens of the air alarm will turn off the light, gas, put out the fire in the stoves, take the means of the individual protection documents food and water supply warn the neighbors and help the sick and elderly people to get outside as soon as possible get to a protective structure or hide in the area maintain peace and order carefully listen to the message of the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration attention says the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration state administration

, citizens, air alarm, turn off the light, gas , put out the fire in the furnaces, take the means personal protection documents stockpile of food and water warn neighbors and help the sick and elderly to get outside as soon as possible reach a protective structure or hide in the area maintain peace and order carefully listen to the announcement of the department of civil protection of the lviv regional state administration attention the department of civil protection of the lviv state administration citizens of the regional state administration, the air alarm will turn off the light, the gas will put out the fire in the stoves take personal protective equipment, documents,

stockpile of food and water, warn your neighbors and help the sick and elderly to get outside, get to a protective structure as soon as possible, or hide in the area . i remember coming down here and thinking from the dirt that the frost is not from the bomb. we are returning from the bomb shelter. you can see it in lviv already. well it seems to me that for the third day in a row, somewhere stable plus or minus 20:00, the alarm begins , unfortunately, on tuesday, tuesday was like that. hello. on several infrastructure facilities here in lviv region , namely, electrical substations that supplied the lviv railway and the ukrainian railway in general,

now if you look at map well, it's basically all of it, now i'll show us this map, i hope it's basically right-bank ukraine, originally there were western regions, but odesa region, kirovohrad region , cherkasy region, kyiv region, i.e. the whole the right bank is now in the risk zone and we emphasize to all our viewers that we can see this map on the air now that it is impossible, especially in these last days before the so-called victory day of the russian federation on the ninth of may, to neglect the air alarm in the end so about all the topics that we are talking about the danger of looming on may 9. thank you, i even made some notes to myself, and unfortunately, there is no screen .

the parliament fulfilled one of its key functions and remained an oasis of democracy, stability and parliament. in general, in all crisis moments in the independence of ukraine, it was the point of concentration of power, and this distinguishes us very much from many of our neighbors, international journalists, analysts, when now with they appear in kyiv, we communicate, they are surprising today. and how is it that your parliament works during martial law? during the war, you have laws passed. and how does the parliament extend martial law to the president and the parliament determines to what extent after the presentation of the president what limits it or not, it does a great honor to ukraine that in our parliamentarism democracy lives even in such conditions as in other countries, if they would have introduced simple direct rule a long time ago and that's all, but she cynicized our tradition and parliamentarism and democratic exists and confirms itself not the first time where the situation is and the second to the parliament - this is what mr. razumkov said that politics was postponed, the only thing that i am paraphrasing for the truth is not that politics was postponed by politicians, but on the contrary

precisely in the conditions of the war in our country, politicians finally started to engage in politics, not politics, not just political struggle. as the draft law is now being brought under the dome, they are continuing and rather fierce discussions with closed doors and determine whether to pass or not to impose blame, what amendments to make or not and how and the draft laws now less, it just improved. i hope that somewhere in the middle, then the situation in our country will roll back a little, of course, cameras will appear and this is a public activity in english, simply, politics has two meanings, two separate words are polissi and politicians have politics as the art of management, i am politics as a political struggle the struggle will return but i hope that this is the essence of politics, that is, politics as the art of management, it will also

not be lost, well, at least to a certain extent, it will be preserved, why did i say that it is bad that there are no such of screens now you had a lot of studios there she is simply without us the gate of the question and may 9 is it the day of defeat no the day of defeat february 24 for russia yes yes why because it was on february 24 that russia signed that they are not able not able to overcome ukraine during for more than seven years they tried economically ukraine all the years of independence to absorb crush economically in eight years they threw maximum efforts at it they couldn't they tried politically they couldn't they tried in all other directions and in the end in 8 years, our economy doubled , democratic elections were held, the government changed, and ukraine developed. well, if you compare it to the 14th year and now, it is obvious that we were growing, and it was a defeat for russia, and they resorted to the last

possible brute force because all other strategies did not suffer a complete collapse, russia suffered a complete fiasco in ukraine and understood that every year the situation for them would be even worse and tried to take advantage of almost the last moment when they could at least try by military force but it turned out that they can no longer even use military force, that even in this situation, ukraine is not in the hands of russia, they missed the moment when they could in a certain way add brute force of various strengths with reasonable force, and because of this, the day of defeat and i have good news. this is the latest on may 9 this is the last time when it exists and it is bad precisely because this is the year when it still exists and administratively it is impossible to ban the meanings, you can ban the symbols, you can take and delete the shortcut on the computer desktop, there are several ilovaisk but the program from that computer will not be deleted, that is, the program, the files that follow the shortcut in those gigabytes, terabytes, that is, there are meanings, meanings, they either

fade away by themselves or are replaced by another culture, cultural products, etc., they are more than just symbols, and if the meaning dies, then the symbol it is beginning to crumble, how many monuments in ukraine were scattered just after the victory in the villages, especially, etc., because it has lost its meaning for people, and now with this war, the formation of our own victory, we are groping for a new meaning and what will be for us in language and already in next year, victory day will be different. and this year it is still alive because we are talking about it, in particular, you and i are talking about the ninth of may. how can we say that it is not there if we are forced to talk about it? why did it not happen earlier, of course for parts of ukraine - it was already clear for parts it was not yet clear sorry, because one generation plus because the soviet union came to western ukraine one generation later and that is why in poland and the czech republic in other countries there was no question of victory or no, and now we are have already reached the level where we have plus one

generation and in those territories that have been through the holodomor for longer, which have experienced losses in every family, someone died and they were silent about my grandmother , she did not talk about the holodomor because it was just an animal fear of what why they they ran away, why did they all, all family members, how did they end up in sumy oblast and then in donbas , and they didn't even talk about it, but this memory was restored and a generation passed . certain evolutionary processes and now this year has come, and russia, by attacking, she just took and killed such a haymaker or er, shot a silver bullet right into the heart in this very myth of victory why because for them this victory was a victory to demons and a rod unions in russia celebrate russia day no, they celebrated it in

the early 90s, then they forgot because how can russia celebrate its independence from itself, this means they are independent from the soviet union and where should the soviet empire go? and then how can we talk about a certain continuity of that what are the rules and is pobeda crazy and so on, for them it was in fact the day of independence, well, let's twist it like that, by the way, this war in many ways is not our war for independence, it is russia's war for independence, we are simply living witnesses of all their crimes and the heirs of this what they dig into kievan rus, why don't you take russia when they take the dynasties as the basis of their statehood, they bring here the artifacts of history, er, where are statehoods, they are all here currency, it is here the hryvnia, where did the ruble come from, they chopped the hryvnia and got the ruble and a lot of other things that have roots here and they are now fighting for independence and we just have a problem that in the 90s we lost then on victory day, then there was a moment when it was possible to change this meaning and we

partly did it because in our country parades in ukraine took place on victory day we definitely did not intend to give up our independence and we are not going to give it up, and they will still be there, because for us victory day was the gaining of independence. nazism will be defeated then and racism now, but for us the meaning that we invest in and the symbols in which we will celebrate this day of victory must be formed in the future, but we must remember that victory day will be celebrated only once in the year that there will be victory and then it should also be a day of commemoration of the great heroism of those feats and those losses that ukrainian society suffered because we have no right here to take russia as a tracing paper and create our own cult of the beast of victory otherwise you win when you fight the dragon it is important not to become this is not they definitely won't be like that, it's necessary to understand that

we have a different essence, our pantheist, you have n't spoken to us yet in our studio what to expect, we say from may 9, but here's this anxiety and the fact that we are now in shelter and not in the studio because we are in lviv now there is an air alert and we understand that we are restless and they continue to terrorize us. good evening. glory to ukraine, what was said just by our spir ostapam, this is what he asked a lot of vectoriality, but also to a certain extent, i would like to make a small clarification with er, i apologize and i apologize oleg oleg, a little clarification regarding february 24, that it is the day of defeat. in my personal opinion, this is the beginning of the end, and the day of defeat will be the day when we will clearly achieve the final victory