and they want to leave mariupol, and they don’t need to be afraid, they just need to make decisions, and these people are passing through together with us, we help them with filtration, and together with us, they cause their own problem, it’s time to go through filtration, although if a person , oleksandr, is some ukrainian activist, and he can’t you know how to hide this from the russians. no, you are russians. i think there is no such bloodlust as a ukrainian activist. well, i am also a ukrainian activist and i went out freely, and you know, they look more closely at the fact that you did not have any relationship. a-a to the military, that is, it’s more, and that’s purely according to a-a-a, well, according to the signs visible there, that may be your affiliation, er, to the armed forces or to the dobrobats, and actually, mmm, believe me, there is no

such thing an activist about a ukrainian phone number yes, this is also a problem, but when you are lying in mariupol, you must remove all ukrainian symbols from the phone there, and where you have ukrainian symbols, there are actually two signs that can stop you in some way, or those who keep you do not it will release ukrainian symbols or uh in the phone and that that you are an activist, but believe me, we had a lot of activists in mariupol. well, not one person, not two, but if it is about a ukrainian activist, then if it is clear on the phone, believe me that filtering is not indicated, listen. and what did you say about the fact that some part people are directed towards russia and the territory controlled by it, correctly, i also understand through this filtering how it happens, mariupole, as it were, around mariupol there are three directions, this direction is in the direction of that roha

dash, rostov direction is in the direction of the film teledonets and the direction in the direction of berdyansk, zaporozhye , kirilovka, these three points change from time to time. such a filtration is nameless, and why does the zastal pass namelessly, then it makes a circle because there is no second pass for large transport from the side of mariupol when they got up, so it sends them away? well, i think that the more psychological part of this is because of bezym and because, believe me, when our residents approach and our volunteers bring people to portcity to the exit from mariupol, where the buses are supposed to pick them up, then

in fact, when the bus is on fire, what are these buses going to without a name? they say that these buses go to zaporizhzhia, then half of the people disappear and get on these buses, because we know the case, we know that the male population does not leave, often leaves them in these camps, and the representative takes the documents telman's more or less filtration is as tough as the salt of the landless, and believe me , from the technical side, the filtration filters people out. i think that this is more information collected by techniques for some people there. well, there may be a referendum for you in the lists from the country. in the direction of zaporozhye, there are also filters, but believe me today , a-a, for 2 days, the exit gate to berdyansk was closed. and for today, the southern direction is closed from the country, with

a canopy to zaporozhye, and for today, in the morning, it was information to close melitopol from the side of berdyansk on the vysevy, here are our guys who are here from mariupol today for the fourth day, they are standing under vasylievka and they are being released, and all this is as they say from that side. it is connected with some active military operations. well, i i think this is a psychological attack and some kind of psychological odyssey in order to force people to move around the territory of the place where people are separated. thank you, thank you for such a detailed explanation. mariupol, the president of the mariupol football club. volunteers who are now engaged in the evacuation of people from mariupol, and he told us about the details of this evacuation. there are absolutely obvious details

related to how people are taken to the territory of ukraine. we know less, by the way, about what happens to people who are now sent to the territory of the russian federation. and by the way, there are many cases when people send those who are sent to the territory of the russian federation and then have the opportunity to leave the territory of russia. i recently got to know in detail what is happening at the ivangorod border crossing point, this is the border of the russian federation and the republic of estonia. it is a very important border that is related to what is happening there, as we say on the ukrainian-polish border, even ukrainians are allowed to cross this border without any... foreign passports , even for internal russian passports, they

allow ukrainian passports. it is then to reach other large cities of estonia, such as tallinn, and people are already given asylum there, and they are given the opportunity to go on to other countries of the european union, but what is interesting is that there is also such a filtering as mr. oleksandr talked about poems are filtered , of course, from the russian side of the border, and the estonian activists who are now engaged in helping these people. to leave along these corridors only in the directions of the russian federation is not enough that they have such a huge, huge distance to overcome, as you understand, it is a long distance through the territory of russia to reach the russian-estonian

border from the russian side, this is the pskov region, and they still come there and there very men are often stopped, they are not given the opportunity to leave across the border with estonia, as a rule , only women with children are allowed to leave . this is also like this, here we heard under alexander the filtering procedures around mariupol, here is such a filtering procedure right on the border with the european union, we will now have a conversation with natalya, we are the director of the national museum of grigory skovoroda in skovoroda, in the kharkiv region, this is the place where the philosopher died and is buried and you know that today this museum suffered significant destruction due to the comical cultivation of shelling

. so what happened. now we saw mrs. natalie. i congratulate you. forced to talk about this, about the fact that your beautiful museum is actually in such a state, you can say in ruins. i sincerely wish you the reconstruction of this important for everyone, i said for every cultured person place. today i read my feeds on facebook, reviews from people from different countries of the world about you learned this, as you understand, it is important for ukrainians, but it is the property of the general cult, what happened today from the museum building, what about your collections, on the night of may 6, a rocket hit the museum premises, the fire was very

big, and the walls of the museum practically burned down floors, windows in the room, but the walls remained intact, only the part where there was a rocket impact, today we are working to restore the museum and i think we will restore it because we really said we are preparing for the 330th birthday of our great sage grigory skovoroda collections about the collection in part, the collection was in the temple

, so some places and some are lost, but the main exhibits have been saved. you can imagine, in principle, that is, taking into account these saved exhibits, the museum will be able to be restored in the post-war period. as far as i i understand. i think the museum can be made of one object, and the exposition is therefore from those objects that we

have . we will make an exposition. hryhoriya skovorody, you know, for museum workers, i also believe in this with you, ms. nataliya. i know that for museum workers, the museum is really a native home, and this confirms the fact that your son, unfortunately, was injured during this shelling in which he how is his health, thank you, i'm fine, he had a blockage in his legs, and that's why he got out, they helped him. well, everything is fine, everything is fine , a guardian angel take his life, you see, maybe hryhoriy skovoroda is this guardian angel. maybe you know one of the cultures stood did not fall into the ceiling , everything was on fire. and the sculpture of skovoroda, erected by the

sculptor yastrebov, remained standing right in the middle of the museum. she fully appreciated it. well, you see now, as you know, happiness and unhappiness would have helped . now many world media are writing about your the museum is talking about a frying pan. let's look at this shelling not only as a tragedy, not only as proof of the barbarism of the russians, but also as a chance for natal shatsk to revive the museum and a chance to tell about what it was like in the year of the 300th anniversary of skovoroda the great great genius of the ukrainian spirit , that is why they tried to destroy this museum, but they will not succeed in destroying the memory and our values, we will be

reborn, thank you, thank you, mrs. natali, i wish you all to come to your revived museum, it is very important, i am sure that it will be so, let it be he is very much your son, don’t worry. everything will be fine . thank you for this museum, cheers. we know what museums in ukraine generally look like. i just want to thank you for protecting this museum and preserving it all these difficult years. it is also important that we had director of the national literary and memorial museum of hryhoriy skovoroda, nataliya the artist, and well, dear viewers, you can see the emotions of the person who took care of this museum in such an important city for culture. hryhoriy skovoroda died in this village and it was one i would say of such important tourist attractions of kharkiv oblast, as you know, as they say, it is a

place of strength, because skovoroda has always been a symbol of such a traveling philosophy, especially, absolutely a person in ukrainian culture. to be honest, i am not surprised by what russians do, because they i don't care about culture, remember, they were very proud of the fact that they freed palmiro from the needles of the islamic state and a big supporter of putin, such a conductor of georgia. he even held a concert there on the ruins of this of an ancient ancient city to show what kind of guardians of cultures the russians are in general. and how many cultural monuments have they already destroyed during this war of theirs, many. indeed, ms. nataliya is right in saying that they were actually ready to

destroy this very museum. why do they say that they shot at military object well, i'm sorry , even if you shoot at a military object, you must clearly understand what kind of population centers you are shelling, but i want to see how they can explain it, civilized education is extremely useless will explain, i support those who believe that russia should be kicked out of unesco, a country that attacks cultural heritage, that destroys and burns museums, it cannot be in the world cultural organization because it is a country of real barbarians of our time, it cannot be a terrorist organization that proudly tells the world, you know we have a doomsday plane fly over st. basil's cathedral , which is used to evacuate the top

leadership of the russian federation when we launch a strategic nuclear missile at the united states we will get on this plane and fly, we want to show it to the muscovites over st. basil's cathedral, but i am always interested in the eyes of muscovites who will look enthusiastically at this cathedral with the plane on which vladimir putin will flee from a strategic nuclear strike, they understand that they will turn into nothing together with st. basil 's cathedral alive. only putin and his family will remain, if he has them. we also don't know before that. well, if only putin remains there, then he will run around the ruins of the russian federation about spirituality to tell what it is that they have the ability to kill someone, rape, rob, is an absolutely amazing thing, and that is why, of course, you know our danish allies, they even specially

developed a program, i hope that it will be implemented, recently i read it in our coat of arms of a copenhagen newspaper, politics that they want to create a virtual world of all ukrainian tourist objects of museums so that even if some exhibit is lost as a result of these russian barbaric actions, it should be completely in 3d format for annotated, so to speak, written down and so that it can then be reproduced even these objects that are not currently in storage this is how the cultural world is looking for an antidote, a medicine from these barbarians, what are people doing now who know museum technologies, it technologies, how can we save ourselves from russians, then the question arises, what is the value of all this russian culture if it is

used exclusively to explain to the world why it is possible to destroy cultural heritage, why it is possible to kill people, why it is possible to rape women and children why why why does all this have to happen like this and it is of course an absolutely amazing situation when you and i discuss what we hear today from our conversations to see that people are simply losing what they worked on for decades a person who learned to wash his hands only because the coronavirus pandemic began,

what are the books that he shielded, read some textbooks for a military school and knew that he should hang his girlfriend's purse on his hand and walk this is the entire level of education and culture, a handbag and a textbook from three cases, and here is this person who gives the order because he has shoulder straps and a belly to destroy the museum, the galleries, shoot rockets through the residential quarters, some kind of horror, we are in contact with lieutenant general vasyl bohdan, a veteran of the foreign intelligence of ukraine i congratulate mr. vasyl. glory to ukraine and its heroes. mr. victoria. glory to ukraine and its heroes. i will

say yes to vasyl. that the recent reports in the media about the exchange of information with ukraine were counterproductive, that there is no way to report it to the media. what do you think, why did the president of the united states make such a statement? the classics of intelligence activities first of all involve silence, that is, everything that is carried out as part of intelligence activities and active measures and other actions, etc., they should not be publicly associated with the activities of the intelligence agencies of any country only in exceptional cases when there is political expediency and the consent of the state leadership it is voiced in this regard. it is related to the intelligence point of another body, firstly , secondly, what is happening in the information

space in the context of the russian-ukrainian war, it is definitely connected with the fact that the media environment wants to receive as much information as possible to act in certain in cases to anticipate the issues of the world public and the relevant countries. a number of information messages appear in the mass media of the united states of america, the united kingdom, a number of european countries , it is definitely not in the interest of the general cause of the organization of repelling russian aggression, of ukraine together with its partners, therefore, of course, it is

obvious that the state department and i think the pentagon and i think the national intelligence society began to receive information that began to testify that this publication does not bring. we can say certain donors who provide us with military and technical assistance for e-e ukraine and its armed forces, which carry out their military operations in difficult conditions. i think it is quite valid and it is aimed at exactly what i was talking about, firstly, and secondly, it gives the enemy very serious

grounds for additional analysis of the assessment of the deduction of information sources of intelligence agencies of other countries in this particular case and great britain, the united states of america, and of course ukraine, that's why each of these structures has departments that maintain contact with the media environment, but we are well aware that there are also people in the media environment who have contacts and connections with former employees of the special services and these workers have contacts with the active and, of course, in this way, a certain revelation-origin of this information takes place, which sometimes or begins to harm the general cause of the fight against the

russian aggressor, therefore, in this specific in this case, i think that these remarks are valid. i think that the relevant conclusions will be drawn, although freedom of speech and media is definitely provided for in the legislation in our country and in the countries of our partners. nevertheless, there are certain legislative norms that put, as they say , a barrier in the way of e-e admission and access to intelligence information, which is quite important, and in the case of decoding the sources of its e-e delivery, it can bring great harm to countries whose e-e intelligence work in this direction. well, in this specific case and ukraine, but on the other hand, the russians understand very well that the intelligence services of

democratic countries and ukraine are now acting in common in order to prevent russian aggression. that's the same. it's clear. no, it's clear. it's one thing . repeatedly and throughout the entire period from the 14th year of the beginning of the russian aggression and from the crimean events and so on and so on . of the united states of america and great britain to provide, within the framework of international cooperation, information that will be useful for ukraine in ensuring its national state security. well, now and effective repulsion of that enemy, moreover, i will say that this is international relations - this is an established practice of the special services of many democratic countries

that connected with what, by agreement in accordance with the current legislation and with the agreement of the state leadership, contacts are established between the special services of the respective countries, especially in the context as before it was the fight against international terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, chemical bacteriological, and so on, which carries and brings harm to both these countries and the world public as a whole, therefore, these contacts ukraine , first, the restoration of independence and the restoration of activities of the national special services and the security service of ukraine, and then the foreign service of ukraine and the military insignia were shared. by the way, under the sanction of the head of state, they developed

international cooperation on mutually beneficial therefore, this is a normal practice, which is connected with the normalization of national legislation and the approval of receiving a sanction from the state leadership. mr. vasyl, in principle, what prospects can there be in such a situation? that is, we can say that the intelligence services of western countries will now try to report something in absolute silence and not to have contacts with the media after this statement of the president of the united states. yes, i understand, i do not think that this is so, i think that there is a certain limit, of course , in publicity, development, but where it is finished bypass in the context of the formation of public opinion and the formation of, first of all, the positions of what the current russia is, its armed

forces and what it is doing on the territory of ukraine, what atrocities these things can be, but they must be appropriately filtered, agreed and sanctioned both from an operational point of view and from a political point of view. because sometimes in the operational interests of intelligence could carry out some action within the framework of its multi-channel operations, but from a political point of view - it is not profitable because it can carry it has negative consequences both in bilateral relations and in multilateral relations. and now we are already talking about a very acute situation in the russian-ukrainian war, which, unfortunately, can drift towards the third world war. -lieutenant

vasyl bogdanovych and we talked about how the cooperation of the ukrainian special services of ukrainian intelligence with the special services of western countries should be improved today, when in fact the president of the united states is trying to to demand silence from representatives of one's own intelligence community when it comes to the exchange of some important information with ukrainian intelligence, in particular, as you know, there were sensational reports in the media that the united states had provided ukraine with intelligence data that informed the location of the cruiser moscow, which then, under circumstances unknown to the russians, sank in to the black sea after the fire and unsuccessful towing to sevastopol captured by the russian occupiers , now in russia they are trying not to mention this even against the background of possible new losses in the composition

of the black sea fleet of the russian federation we continue our conversation with you literally in 10-15 minutes and now it is traditional on our broadcast at the beginning of the hour to release the news, i will pass the floor to my colleague ania melnyk, who will acquaint you with the details of this day, and here i told you about the most relevant the news of this hour, please, plus the consequences of missile attacks, the russian occupiers fired 6 cruise missiles at odesa region from the waters of the caspian sea , the press center of the defense and security forces reported in the afternoon, four rockets hit a

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