we need to continue the discussion, but this still does not mean that hungary does not support the actions of the european union in this particular case, we must consider many other aspects, i understand you correctly, in the event that these technical problems disappear, the hungarian government will eventually be ready to stop buying russian energy carriers russian feels we will find opportunities to reduce our dependence and in the long term we will even find other opportunities to supply energy resources but we need time we we need investments and of course we need guarantees from the european union that this kind of situation can be resolved therefore these are the conditions

for discussion but i would like to emphasize that now this is the subject of discussion i hope we will find a solution okay the next question is whether your government supports putin's statement that the current security situation in europe poses a threat to russia, in fact, not only for russia, but also for russia, and that the current european security model needs to be changed. i believe that this is out of bounds the ability of a simple ambassador to comment on the issues of the international system is carried out in the past, we saw that the international system was criticized by those who very rarely, if it should be said, very rarely used it correctly. i think that in the 90s, 2000s and

even before that, what system played an important role for in order to maintain peace in europe and mostly in the world for a long time e-e icing that is why this system was effective un osce and other international organizations we should think about how russia was involved in maintaining peace participated in international organizations and why the situation turned out the way it did, but in fact this model guaranteed long-term peace in europe, this peace has ended, now there is a war in europe. therefore, now we need to think about the

causes of this war, i do not think that it was provoked by the international system or the weakness of that international systems, we know who and what country started this war, i don't think it's right to blame the international system of europe and nato or anyone else for those actions that i did, it's boring that this is my comment this is mine level or ability to comment on this information, what do you know about the position of the hungarian government, the position of the hungarian government is quite clear, first of all, you must restore peace, the aggression must be stopped,

the territorial integrity of ukraine must be restored, and after that, if necessary, we can discuss all other issues that always arise, but this should be done by international organizations that will act as platforms, and when the war is going on, when people are suffering, such questions are out of time. does hungary support finland's application and sweden to join nato. you see, i saw it. we saw the declarations of intent, but as far as i understand , formally, such an application has not yet been submitted to nato, so it has not been submitted, so far there is no official representation from either sweden or finland. well, it is difficult to say what the reaction of the alliance will be . hungary, as a member of the alliance, will take part in the discussion" and what is the official position of hungary

regarding the possible accession of ukraine to nato, this is a question that often caused misunderstandings between the ukrainian public and, say, the hungarian as a politician. we never blocked ukraine's aspirations to join nato. we blocked two things: the language issue and the issue of education. they were resolved at the political level in some nato institutions, in particular, by the ministers of foreign affairs and the ministers of defense. it was a signal, not a very good signal, but we had no other choice to to tell ukraine that nato is not just a military organization, other issues, in particular, human rights, the rights of

national minorities, respect for such rights is at the core of the alliance's philosophy, talk about aspirations of ukraine to join nato. we have never been against it, so if ukraine still wants to join the alliance, we will not be against it. did you come here to talk about it already, or is the language issue still on the table of hungarian-ukrainian relations? unfortunately, if we talk about it, i i must say that this issue has not been resolved. consultations are still ongoing, but hungary's official position is that this issue is out of time now, there are many more important issues that need to be

considered for ukraine - these are vitally important that's why we put the language issue aside and now we are fully focused on supporting ukraine in this struggle. thank you very much for such a position. and what are the main threats to hungary now? the threat is a war that continues near our borders . and it has various security and political consequences . ukraine has always been an important partner for us, even when there were heated political debates, economic relations between both countries were very developed, turkey is often called

the largest economic partner of ukraine, we had the same economic relations with ukraine that you now have with turkey, that is, we were such self-economic partners of ukraine as turkey takes from the match on the economy, maybe the situation has changed a little in favor of turkey, but this is not a problem because turkey plays an important role in the region, but i want to say that what is happening in ukraine now is a tragedy. i am proud that the hungarian people constantly express incredible solidarity with ukrainians and those who remained in ukraine and those who came, and this is done not only by the hungarian government and non-governmental organizations, but also by ordinary

citizens of hungary. they try to help ukraine and ukrainians. we feel the consequences every day, we are aware of what is happening, so the speculation that the hungarians are opposing ukraine is completely baseless. we know everything very well, and that is why we are fully in favor of peace . we must regain such an important neighbor for us in the economic and many other areas. thank you, mr. ambassador. thank you for joining me today. and now you can address the ukrainian people, what i can do now in kyiv. this is

my solidarity and my small contribution. in the huge struggle waged by the ukrainian people, we fully support you, be sure that the hungarians and the people of hungary are in solidarity with you and we hope that very soon this tragedy, this war will end, the ukrainian people will be reborn with a new energy and new opportunities are the new world, and in the end, i want to assure you that when they start considering the issue of ukraine's membership in the european union, hungary will support it with matches

. and diartok talked about hungary's support and hungary's help in this rather difficult time for ukraine, they touched on several controversial and difficult issues in the relations between our two countries, but they reached an agreement on thank you i personally and the entire ukrainian people for the help that hungary gives us well, let's conclude with this until the next meetings , my name is yuriy fizer, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts , politics and geopolitics, we will talk about all this serhii rudenko and the guests of his program, people who have information and shape public opinion , people who defend ukraine and create the future, the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict of serhiy rudenko from monday to thursday at 13:00 on espresso

good evening to everyone who watches us. my name is andrii saichuk. today we will be with you until 12 o'clock on the live air on a-a channel live and on the espresso channel a-a today i am not alone in the studio today, but we also have a guest and this i will introduce this at length, yaroslav kenzor, a deputy of six convocations, is definitely lucky. well, in fact, hmm, a garlic of the dissident movement, one of the participants in the famous or infamous case, the block. that’s when they tried to crack down on themselves, and so on. well , in general, a person who is in the kb passed under you can call it a nickname. well, it’s interesting how the chekists determined nicknames for those with whom they were monitoring

, or appearance or character traits, which i deserved . and i know that mr. ruslan is still very active in sports, so that's it, that's it, well, look, dear friends, today we want to, because we have mr. yaroslav, mr. yaroslav is, in addition to all that, he is the owner and a collector of probably the most communicative and largest in ukraine the archive, because his compositions from the 80s filmed a lot of all the events that took place, and he was very often in the thick of events, eh, from there, the 89th year, eh, and so on, that is, accordingly, the events of freedom in and in and the declaration of independence . that's all. yes, sir, you didn't know about the very, very, very powerful collection of videos. accordingly, we

will show a little bit of these videos today and talk about trying to answer the various questions that i asked today. mykola ryabchuk said very well that the current war with by russia, this is a postponed war of the 91st year of 1900 , that is, and why was it actually postponed. was it possible to avoid this war, well, this is also to a certain extent, for sure. the topic of our conversation today is because we understand that this the war will definitely end at least in the active phase, but we know that sooner or later russia will start the next war, and in particular it is very good. this history will show the 30 years that ukraine had independence . andriy, if you don't mind, i would propose today. because without a doubt, i i agree what today uh

the main thing is the main topic is the russian-ukrainian war. some people say that since february 24, some people say that since the 14th year, they say that the hundred years' war, as petrovych says, this war has been going on for centuries with certain interruptions, and so on. to this day, i meet people and close colleagues whose who say differently, well. someone will say that they perceive it as something that is natural. today, we are in a war, we are defending ourselves in a war from moscow with muscovy . next how so maybe i never expected this, i always say that whoever knows at least a little bit about the history of muscovy, and

whoever has read volodymyr bilinskyi's mm. the country of moksel or muscovy, he would certainly support my thesis, which i constantly uh i point out that as long as muscovy is in such a state , the soviet union, then the russian federation, we will not always have problems with muscovy, but the world, and today i would suggest, so to speak, such an announcement before our conversation with you for an hour and a half, because you will already announced that there will be a video on this topic, this chronicle. the genetic code of muscovy

and muscovites seems very interesting to me, that's why they are constantly climbing, smoking , killing, destroying, raping and all that . i come to the conclusion that you already have a genetic problem and there will be no other way out, if the most interesting thing is not the problem of the leader, because in our country today we all say yes, putin finally dies. russia and here we are let's go, if yaroslav allows it, i would actually start with one such exclusive, so it is clear that today we will have a little excursion into history, and by the way, gentlemen, if anyone has any questions for mr. yaroslavovych, even for me, then ask these questions in the chat at least i read both chats, both broadcasts and the results of the 73rd day, and this will not be shown on tv, and by the way, they are showing it because of you now, i hope in the

networks also on the satellite, nevertheless, ask questions and we will talk and answer them so, please show this super cool video, it's unique. it was mr. yaroslav who actually filmed it, i don't know if it still exists somewhere, it was on the fifth channel in its time. that is, it's not a premiere, nevertheless , in the 90th year. i'm probably saying it is boris yeltsin on november 19, 1990, it is uh, june 15 or 12, 1990. the russian federation adopted the declaration on state sovereignty earlier than ukraine , a month earlier, on july 16, we adopted our declaration on state sovereignty, and by the way this fact that moscow adopted its declaration is very important he helped us in the people's council to convince the ukrainian communists, and there the entire bolshevik elite was in the parliament, all the politburo members of the

communist party of ukraine, the first second, the third secretaries of the people's council, there were 110 people to make any decision , a minimum of 226 votes were needed in our country without the votes of the communists, we they could not approve any document. well, actually yeltsin came, but he was not the president, he was the chairman of the verkhovna rada of the russian federation, and actually he was like that, relatively speaking, at that time, kravchuk, and here he came, he his met by people under the parliament and then he went to the ukrainian parliament and spoke before the deputy of the presidium, even vitold fokin will be seen there, let's listen to it. this is a very interesting, interesting speech. this had a painful effect on russia itself, on foreign

nations, and then we reject such policies and negotiations. russia does not seek to become the center of some new empire, to gain an advantage in compared to other republics, russia more than others understands the perniciousness of such roles because it has for a long time played just such a role that it gave russians freedom from this and became rich and you are happy since the 90th year yeltsin is the future president and that's all it looks pretty good how encouraging it means i always say and is it not the first time i say that if these are spells in love for ukraine about how we will build our relations in a new way that we will be brothers

finally real, because what was was all pharisaism. and i will tell you, knowing the moods of my colleagues in the parliament, in fact, there was such an understanding that, well, russia really became an independent state and will build its russian life in russian, as they say to a housewife, that is i will deal with myself and it will finally be like him. with respect to our ukrainian brothers, even more, you can say that there were a lot of predictions that they have a very progressive gaidar, some sobchak, he even had such a deputy putin also seemed to be a progressive man in him that they will make quick reforms, they will become a powerful european country, and ukraine will remain the preserve of some ridiculous communists, so that to some extent this happened in reality, but with russia, too, everything went completely wrong, you understand

, again, then somehow well, in the background, in the background of this soviet communist totalitarianism, of course, what was done in moscow. well, this uh, such a figure was not in moscow at that time, and andriy sakharov and many others there were such a democratic group in the verkhovna rada of the russian federation, who spoke out, there were such condemnations of that communist despotism and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such. and we somehow forgot this and that thesis absolutely clear and true that we galatians know very well and i recall and it was so etched in my memory that my mother always told me when there was a conversation about those

kremlin leaders and my mother said that the child was wrong, like a rabid dog, that's why i suggested this because it seemed like there was hope a already through literally even incomplete the year when we adopted the declaration, then uh-uh, then we already started saying that we believed that everything was in the state, even though the declaration was just such a historical document that determined our direction for the future, and that's why it was called the declaration on state sovereignty, and as long as the union existed, they still existed all its structures so it was still a long way from the declaration, but already at the beginning when we adopted the

hm . everything has already begun ukraine is truly an independent state, so legally, although in fact, again until now, the truth is the bialowieza agreement, when, as they say, they drove the nail in the door, but then it was resurrected, and what kind of love for ukraine, so to speak, he demonstrated here in this episode yeltsin already at the beginning of 1992, when the distribution of the black sea fleet began, ugh, all this love of comrade boris nikolayevich disappeared. a journalist and there were interviews between kravchuk and kravchuk

then she said this phrase to me right now, i remember my teenage years, he said, "i would n't give up the fleet if the fleet was near lviv, so he meant that the mood among those commanding that among those captains of those ships in this very fleet, they were, let's put it mildly, not pro-ukrainian eh well, i'm a living witness, we were at eh at the beginning of february in the first days of february 16:17 february 1992, a large group of verkhovna rada deputies to, well, have an imagination, so to speak with the eyes to see and hear e-e moods sevastopol and on the ships of the black sea fleet we went to sevastopol. well, you and i. i showed you these materials and so that i could see, i looked at you more because i already know

this video by heart. these admirals are the captains of the first , second, so to speak, ranks and so on. well, how , how do you divide a living ship, a living organism , there are 40 nationalities. it's us they already gave one oath and it's not to ukraine well, you can, you can do this to the viewer, the viewer must be reminded that at the beginning of february 1992, under such pressure, the people's council constantly pressed leonid makarovych to subordinate the black sea fleet to the entire -e ukraine as an independent state and as a fleet based on ukrainian territory and all kravchuk did was take such a step

two days later yeltsin duplicated his similar decree that the black sea fleet is subordinate to the russian federation and from there a conflict has already arisen and and this other yes literally already after the declaration of independence it all started already it turned out that uh what is this not so fluffy and white well it was all a game and look then not only this this is me an example from our relations with the russian federation and eh they incited what they are doing and to this day this conflict in moldova was created and this transnistrian moldavian transnistrian republic was created, and mykhailo kosiv went there again to see with his own eyes and report to the verkhovna rada they are the first such conflict where, but the first where

russia openly took part absolutely, and look, i said that we had such hopes, even then, right after the adoption of the declaration and the act of independence , such, well, they were breaking through, we wanted to have and confirm these hopes, and when mykhailo kosiv returned and his trip to transnistria, i would very much like to show people how he became familiar with the situation after studying the circumstances. in transnistria, let's watch this video . i hope mr. mykhailo even watches us. it would be nice at least then not congratulations , because he is watching for sure and it is real and we will see then it is 1992 the verkhovna rada yes yes yes the verkhovna rada is the first first consideration of this crimean conflict our incredibly

prophetic words are actually about what has become a shock for many war, someone did not believe in this war until the last hour, literally when the rocket arrived. and here is what mykhailo kosiv said in 1992, and i think that this is a very well-planned action. in transnistria, a mini-russian state is emerging in a mini russian state will also appear in crimea, then a mini will appear, a mini russian state may appear in novorossiya, and then in luhansk, and then in slobozhanshchyna, and this has already happened, well, you can literally say the prophetic words of the 92nd year, mikhail, there is more, well, we don’t have time for you to talk like that to give a speech, and then mykhailo says that i see that the

script was written, so to speak, by one specialist , that is, it was written in one place, in one office, that is, in the kremlin, these scripts are written exactly as they were played out then in transnistria and in crimea in 1992 year and the second the outbreak in crimea in 1995 was slowly extinguished by ukraine, although it was admitted right away. well , we recognized the status of crimea, raised it to the level of an autonomous republic, and such other things that absolutely could not be done, it was a time bomb , but these are also the arguments of this kremlin team.