okay, what should we do with that historical memory, how is it , hmm, say, decommunize, ukrainianize, or should we just close its channel, get rid of it, simply based on the historical truth and based on the celebration of our true friends and allies in europe? and we should simply put the celebration of the 8th number 9 just name some monument and everything is very easy to forget this one is not forgotten, he had the second world war, of course, but here are all the discussions that were fueled in us for years and decades in order to throw themselves outside of russia to split ukraine turn this page and understand that we are one people and that we will not be today there was such a strange story when the russian-highly accurate weapon, well , that's what i'm saying in quotes, probably highly accurate,

here in lviv we often see how high it is, exactly when it hits, we won't say area well, yes , 300,500 meters in different directions well, and uh, uh, but nevertheless, such a high-precision missile accurately hit the skovoroda museum, actually destroying it , and hit the grave of skovoroda. what do you think about this as a historian? i think it is very familiar i think i am i see the monument to skovoroda. he stayed behind and everything around burned down, but the monument stands. i think that it is very symbolic. and in general, skovoroda, he is really a very brilliant person. and it seems to me that the world will learn about him thanks to this more than it is possible thanks to the museum. that now all the world's attention is focused on ukraine, and we will rebuild the museums. let's just say that the occupier's

gold and currency reserves were confiscated, the money of the museum oligarchs was confiscated, he will be ... that is, they must be historical, of course, if they were evacuated there purely. by the way, i am with the frying pan. in fact, the issue of the ukrainian language is quite radical, and i am really annoyed by all these conversations about the fact that there is, as it were, some kind of ukrainian version of russian - it is not russian at all russian and so on and the like, that we need to nurture russian, why should we give up dostoevsky, i don’t understand eh, well, yesterday a pole literally told us very well in the program that there is yuliya slovatsky, who considered himself a ukrainian he was a ukrainian, he wrote about ukraine, we study him as ukrainians, as the great, as the great is actually a ukrainian and tells ukrainians that he is not interesting at all. they think that if they, well, we should

ukrainize dostoevsky. anyway, he is ukrainian at this moment, but when we talk about the frying pan, he wrote in russian, but the russians label him as a ukrainian, he does not fit into their russian tour. well, he wrote in church slavonic if you speak in surzhik, yes, it is a mixture of ukrainian and full-slavic languages, that is, it has ukrainian phrases and the text is absolutely there, but it was the language of the forces at the time, while latin in western europe is so bulgarian, it is church slavonic, so it is well, skovoroda is absolutely 100% ukrainian and there is no doubt. there is no a-a for him for his life for his very interesting life, you know how skovoroda died, for example, he said nothing that he would die, he went and dug graves here in the cherry orchard, that is, how much did the person lead

with her life to really say that the world was catching, he caught imagine, uh, that is, does a person have enough strength, or is it me, then i just lie down quietly? it seems to me that it is as if he is brilliant, as far as his philosophy is concerned . according to his and very ukrainian according to his fullness of intentions, if he refused to the tsars, you understand, all the tsars were in front of the tsars , they all paraded muscovites in front, they did not kiss there, i don’t know her foot there, some cheris walked and bowed, he refused all moved there to the capital st. petersburg yes, and so on, she gave up all these e-cakes, she no longer needs us today, by the way, in the program in the first hour, such a moment was very

interesting. it seems to me that when in 1993 and in 1990 she came to ukraine and speaks in the ukrainian parliament in the verkhovna rada, and boris yeltsin was not yet president at that time. and he was still then. so, if he was like the head of their verkhovna rada, by the way, this also constantly reminds us of the last country of the soviet union where the verkhovna rada remained . everyone was called in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the only one that did not decide not to return any other name to itself , let it be supreme well, that's what a and e are and he speaks, he says here we admit our mistakes, it will never happen again because it never brought us any benefit as a persian country let's not reach anyone in ukrainian and bam after 3 years there is this opening in 1993, he already shot his own parliament and immediately after that he opens a monument in moscow to yaroslav the wise where he says this is our great russian prince who showed us an example sobiratelstva zemel that's how we need to build er russia and after that it got into this and ah, i don't

know this is the question, in fact, as a historian, what to do with russia so that it stops stealing our history from us, appropriating it, and finally calmed down from those within their borders, which they have and little land, they cannot equip what they have. well, it must be said that our russia is composed of a huge number of emotions, in fact, and there are ethnic groups . huge of the number of ethnic groups, and in this way, it is necessary to understand that there are peoples who have self-realized , which are still alive to this day and have not been achieved lg

peoples who were simply destroyed in their time, were, as a result, i have a question for you i 'm sorry, i just want to clarify, i don't have much time. well, we understand that big empires often have this titular nation, but it can be relatively speaking touched. that is, it has its own deeper history , culture, that is, if we take the british empire , it was the british and they understood we can see their huge history, a lot of unique culture and powerful folklore and so on. if we take the austro-hungarian empire there, for example, there were again hungarians and there were uh austria austrians well and so on. that is , we always if we take even the united states if we consider them as such. well , i don’t know the newest empire, i’m right. russia is constantly trying to prove it somehow. well, they also have some components, but the saxon ones, on which they still built their own identity at least at the beginning and it remains very strongly within these guidelines this

shows very well by the way your colleague historian ferguson who shows why for example latin america failed to do the same as north america did because they mixed more with with with there was more spanish element and so on but but the question is simple and are there russians or is there any russian nation? people who try to study russian folklore come across an amazing thing: all russian folklore begins 150-200 years ago at the most, russia simply does not exist. if you dig deeper and it simply does not exist, there is no people from which they came, and if you do not count, again, there are those who came from this kiev principality, that is, colonizers from ukrainian lands who gave them that impetus -e in the sense yes, but still, some people were there, which people are they, mostly all of the hungarian tribe, the mayor's office

, it disappeared completely, but it remained in the names around moscow, everything was there in essence, and it was vladimir, the vessel of all, the principality, which in essence was the tribal principality is headed by the smallest branch of our princes, the most distant, well, let's say in the least privileges, and then it is in this measure . in fact, today we have russia. i think that somewhere around half of its population are the descendants of this dream, and half of the subjugated er-er various tribes were born late development is absolutely correct and i do n’t get tired of talking about it now to explain to people

why this is so and why does russia look much longer and in general in the world on the planet and anywhere why because it is a very simple thing one and a half thousand years ago there was a cave age, that is, kam it was not produced, local metallurgy appeared in zaliztsi, but great russian culture, french-speaking beautiful salons, that's why evgenia onegin, it's just tinsel, which means absolutely nothing. that is, it was all borrowed in the xix century in the first and by the way, by the way, it's already simple, it doesn't even exist, what's interesting, you know, i 'll beat you up. well, i just want to say this, there's just such a guy, seva, a russian journalist. he gave it on bb i remember him from the 80s , well, less, but he also said such a phrase

that is very similar to everyone. yes, let's say it in the language of teenagers. so when he said that, i ca n't imagine how to teach quantum physics in ukrainian. yes of course, this is such a completely ukrainian quote, but someone answered it very well somewhere in social networks about the fact that if it were not for napoleon, then quantum physics in russia would now be taught most likely in french, because he is french, because the elite who could theoretically teach physics in russia. she despised the russian language. church russian, some kind of physics. and in general, a very large part of science was made by ukrainians and considered themselves ukrainian. they signed themselves to ukrainians in the soviet union . he painted himself as a ukrainian, everywhere he was signed by ukrainians, e.e., at the institute of rocket engines,

all four of them are the head of the ukrainians, that's why when they spoke in ukrainian, they agreed, and that's why when a person talks about the fact that there is no quantum physics in ukrainian, well, it's just not ignorance and it's a demonstration to the main russian, which was popular when siva was still living in the territory of the ussr, that is , he brought these stamps of his shovels from the 70s and 60s with him to this world and already looks like a dinosaur, you understand according to these states, in the ukrainian language, science has almost the entire ukrainian-speaking e-e class of terms for today in any field, including cosmonauts, there are absolutely

normal terms in absolutely normal textbooks. now russia, where is russian culture now? we have a mass culture. i'm not saying that . well, we have many representatives of russian literature that you know. well, if you don't count elimin kunin and who else is there, that is in general, nothing has been written in 30 years of independence . almost nothing has been done in russian culture, and do they have such special people to tell us that someone is not like that, we simply rose from the ashes . for such a supercilious attitude and so on. ukraine, ukrainian culture is now richer than all of them. well, in our country, we are definitely waiting for a big rise, after the victory in this war, we are waiting for it, although we understand that it can to be actually a marathon and not a sprint, we are very well aware of all this oleksandr paliy thank you very much

for participating in our program, the historian has joined us and in the meantime we don't have much time left i want to convey eh first of all about what about what uh about what i will quote i will quote i will actually quote serhiy volyn, who is now the head of the uh, mariupoli azov, who eh says it's just my thoughts, what i feel, it seems like i'm in some hellish reality show where we are soldiers we fight for life, we use everyone a chance for salvation and the whole world is just watching an interesting plot, such scenarios are used in films and tv series, the only difference is that this is not a film and we are not fictional characters, this is real life, pain, suffering, hunger, torment, tears, fear, death, everything is real, which surprises me well, eugene is wild old-time defense fighter

head of the national antarctic science center join us by skype yevgeny good night glory to ukraine glory to the heroes glory i just quoted quoted serhii yes eh these are difficult emotions eh some don't want some want to shut up and not hear this terrible thing, because it causes such impatience in the heart that stefan zvayk described at one time in his novel ah-ah-ah someone is crying about some actions well, this is pain, i am now reading that it is obvious that you have certain losses ukraine now in the battles for popasno, well, it is obvious that it is so, it is obvious that it is so, we are now approaching exactly what you told us about a month ago that we will not approach the phase when we will have losses

and when it will seem that it is not known when the victory when there will be certain successes in the russian army that moment, well, first of all, we lost all this time, there is no war without losses, especially there are no victories without losses, and you know, for me, it has such a purely personal choice, so it happened that uh, well most of this war i personally spend in the rear. now i am talking to you in my cozy apartment in kyiv. well , it is clear that something flies to kyiv from time to time . well, it is absolutely not the same as at the front . well, no. pi- this is not compared at all. so , and for me, it counts from several people, with whom i passed the organizational training in the 14th year. so when in fact we aidar, well, you know, we were the assault infantry. we were the first to liberate the cities captured by the russian

occupiers and we were the last to leave when the russian regular army came in august 14 and began to displace us, so we were the first they were the last to come in, they were the last to come out . of the few people who survived, they all came out alive, healed their wounds, and had 7-8 years of peaceful life after that . personal dimension from several comrades with whom it seemed to us that we had already gone through everything possible and that this would not happen again in how many i have now not seen anyone, but in reality almost every day brings this kind of news. here is the first comrade with whom together we survived back then in the 14th. i lost him on february 24, that is, on the first day of the war, when he was among those who defended the vyshgorod

dam, that was not allowed to break through to kyiv from the chernobyl zone from the north. well, just a couple of days ago, i received news about one more brother who died during our already counter-offensive in the kartiv region, and yes, this is a war , and any war is always a loss, and any victory is also a loss, and the difference from the 14th year is that the scale of the war is such that it is unlikely that there will be at least one ukrainian family left without at least someone from relatives or friends who will actually become part of the price of our victory, but here we must understand one thing, we must understand that if we were not ready for these victims, if our really best people did not die, they are always the first to die it's better if it weren't for this, we would have paid even more, only paid more and in a disgusting and

humiliating way, it's enough to look at how they destroy people in russia, in belarus, how they destroy people in the occupied countries of ukraine when they are no longer able to even resist, so compared to this of course what we actually pay in the war is less, the price is less evil and it is the right choice, that is, no matter how much we have to pay, but the price of surrender would be more expensive, more expensive, and even more humiliating, mr. yevgeny, we will have on monday the ninth of may, and so very unlikely, the former ambassador to the united states in moscow wrote about it so that if putin was smart, he would have said something like that on may 9. well, okay, we have achieved everything, everything is fine, that's why our troops are retreating and in principle this is a victorious retreat and everyone would be fine with

it a-a well, somehow it is well, but something is believed in it, more is believed in the forecast in the sharp journal, which seems to have written about the fact that on may 9, putin will announce in what way he will lose and these methods can be painful both for ukraine and for the world well after he has already done it, even considering the hypothesis that he actually thinks rationally is no longer worth it, it is necessary to admit the unpleasant fact that the war against us was unleashed by a mentally ill dictator who thinks irrationally and lives in absolutely his own world, but at the same time, in our real world with you, he has several hundred thousand for the army, nuclear weapons, and so on, and you know, the paradoxical combination of the man with the mind

is no longer in our universe, and at the same time, in our universe, it can still be done very well troubles therefore on the 9th of may, of course, no such disguised capitulation of russia, i definitely do not expect options, there are two options, after all. in my opinion, the less likely is that although this is one of the options that british intelligence is considering, and by the way, they have not been wrong so far, in fact, that's why i am serious about this because, after all, here is the source, which one before that, well, but again, after all , it is not often, but they were also wrong, we cannot say absolutely. well, not everything is equal, but british intelligence is considering the option that on may 9 er volodymyr volodymyrovych saw that he will announce er get up the country will make a huge statement that there is no longer any special operation that there is a war and not just a war but immediately with such a capital letter in ot because with

ukraine i understand it not because they entered ukraine but it turns out that they are fighting against the whole great and terrible nata, well, the kremlin never admits that the faded state is actually a non-existing state, that is, a territory that somehow accidentally separated from them , that it is against this territory that they will force a big war. no, they will simply announce that we've got in general, there is nothing here, we are never a subject here. and that on our territory they are fighting with uh, big scary states and all their nato allies, mr. yevgeny, i bet, i read it today on one russian resource, i don’t advise anyone to go and read it, i just i need a journalist. so, it’s actually a big russian tabloid there, which in all seriousness writes that there are a bunch of nato generals in azovstal now under siege . i think if they came there, you know , well, yes. sorry for such a cynical military man.

humor but i think that he is a colonel of the volyn marines . in this way, i received serious recognition that he is actually not just a ukrainian colonel at the moment, but he is several nato generals at once. may health and nasnagy er-er, that is, they can announce that yes er-er in all the azovstals of the country, er-er, in every small village, you know, in every chernobaivka, we have a fanatical general, and around him, er-er, a whole terrible nativ contingent so and that's why get up on a huge and as constantly demanded by my beloved, in fact, uh, the analyst, you know, uh, arestovich helps someone, and uh , and it helps me a lot to keep my mood comrade ihor strelkov girkin, uh, he literally bursts into tears all this time that

without the announcement of total mobilization, russia will lose this war no, of course i have for him, let's say , such secret, terrible information that after the announcement of detailed mobilization, it will still lose, but in fact it will really be two different stories. so, both in terms of time and in terms of the sacrifices made and in terms of the resources used. so, maybe on may 9, it will really be announced that a huge country will stand up, as demanded by horking, from 18 to 60 years old, everyone should wear chanel and go. well, no. they won't say to go fight the khokhlovs no-no-no here on the territory of the khokhlovs to go fight nato but uh-uh it is possible but it seems to me that this will not happen i think that right now on may 9 they will try to announce some non-existent victories so uh- e.g. you are going for a big victory this ot yes, it's going to the end to take mariupol, oh, maybe they'll be able to squeeze in the last

kilometers of luhansk oblast, which still remain under our control, because they currently have 94% of the region's territory, well, again, who knows luhansk oblast, do you know what it's worth because most of these territories are actually a bare steppe, but the urban agglomeration actually holds on, but these six percent are not enough to announce that at least one of the two uh-uh young fraternal republics they have completely liberated something like that, they will announce or maybe even grief remember this old joke about the fact that these are hussars hussars let's bathe the horses with champagne lieutenant ot money well, even if the cat is a barrier with beer, it may well be that in the form of dousing the cat with beer , they recognize transnistria, for example, as the most independent state in the world from which for sure nothing in the world depends on it. and they can call it their protectorate, so to speak. well, they can even create something in the navy, for example, this state

had no way out, it seems, to the sea, but it is stingy to attribute it there, for example the submarine cruiser donets is good for him and then two more small boats, and today a landing craft was added to this one, uh, what kind of sarna project is there? yes, and actually uh, this entire fleet even has its own orchestra, that is, a whole orchestra named after oleksandrov, yes that they are actually at the bottom of the black sea, and they have fun there, yes. in other words, you may well announce something like that. by the way, autop for a second, but it seems that a competition has begun between the black sea and the snake island. it seems that the island of change is becoming such a sea black sea. i continue to please, of course, in terms of the number of times , it is still very far away, but on the other hand, it is still an island in the middle of the sea. that is, every operation there is

more complicated, it is like this, it is bright, but the ball does not sink anyone, this is the law. i think that at the moment will do with this, that is, with some fake pseudo -victory, well, with their shamanistic talk about the fight against world fascism. i think that somewhere in the middle of the summer, they will really go to the point when they will have to either accept the fact that by the fall they will lose this war or declare a total mobilization well, it's still history, but not may 9, it's a story somewhere, let's say the belly of the currency, but i think that i hope that you and i will live to discuss it then, it's a good idea, i don't mind living and let's discuss the main thing that very soon and very soon we will discuss what actually happened to them from such a thing expected by everyone on may 9, but by the way, by the way, respect to one of

our main allies , mr. the us lend-lease law for ukraine, well, well agree, well, with a good hare of words troll of the 80th level well, er, actually, nothing prevented him from signing on any other day, but er, he showed his wit, respect well, er, actually, what will these eyes be the next couple of months are difficult for us, first of all, they are difficult. and the next couple of months will be the most difficult because the russians are already transferring here everything that they can secure without total mobilization , that is, everything that they took from the north of ukraine, they have already transferred here to the east and south to the same place at the moment, they are adding everyone whom they are rowing in the course of hidden mobilization, that is, the so-called draft of

reservists for training sessions, and they are currently transferring their contingent to syria as well. i think you already know that the organized withdrawal of the entire russian contingent and syria has already begun. general dvornikov, who is currently commanding their group in ukraine, is taking away all the units that he commanded in syria for several years and that distinguished themselves there. well, in fact, they only perpetrate crimes against humanity they did not show any special military growth in skill, but as extreme units they broke all the records, in fact, uh, but one way or another, now these syrian fighters are not really very combative, but they are all falling over to us. meanwhile, we are counting on a lot for a technological change, but the new nato weapon must be understood. it is just beginning to arrive. it must reach its destination and the main thing is that we must master it. unfortunately, it is not as simple

as switching from zhiguli to a mercedes, but according to the result it will be somewhere the same. who are they in zaporozhets, for example, there or at best zhigul, and then he suddenly got on the mers, then he will understand what, for example, our artillerymen feel, after the new american daws are assimilated, but here there is a nuance of retraining much longer than from zhiguli to mers, the fire control systems are completely different from the outside, in fact the very level of technology is different, that's why these next couple of months, we will already feel all the power that reshka will throw at our front. and we will fight back with what we really have now, somewhere in just a couple of months , this technological change, which started now, will begin to play a serious role, so that in two months we will break the spine at the front, now our soldiers are learning at the training grounds, that is, in fact, that is, this weapon of yours must reach the right hands and these hands are bruised