during the negotiations, no politicians were heard saying that you guys are busy with your own business and are wasting time in order to get all the civilians out. this was said to our commander, the hero of ukraine, denys prokopenko. he is a man of the garrison of the mariupol defense team, and this is what we meant by our affairs. what are our affairs, what are we dealing with, it means the protection of the people of ukraine and the protection of civilians, and it is a pity that some politicians in ukraine have no tact, and there is only cynicism, cynicism about the fact that this is a successful operation about civilian evacuation i want to say that on the territory of the plant there are many dead both civilians and military in mariupol tens of tens of thousands of citizens who

died as a result of the aggression of the army of the russian federation and their mercenaries have not been evacuated, we are asking the whole world for two and a half months journalists, politicians, etc., about evacuating civilians, and only now we managed to evacuate a couple of hundred civilians. the russian federation and you know this, it is joy through tears because the work is not done until the end, but we thank you for the fact that we managed to agree in principle. we thank the international organizations that intervened , so we are waiting for further actions . actions regarding the actual cessation of the er regime of fire, we have many

wounded servicemen who er according to which we are asking for help they need to be given their due the opportunity to evacuate in the first place and you know we thank everyone, but we thank the military this is how the words of some politicians sound, i do, i want to say we are not by words, we are fulfilling our military duty for the people of ukraine, we do not need praise, but we need, we need justice and we always say that we have nothing to come we never lie because we are not in the right situation to lie and our military has never done it and we will always fight as long as we live for justice for

to e-e for expelling the russian occupiers and for evacuating civilians and wounded servicemen thank you and i pass the e-e word to my brother i need to run thank you now i would like to see a normal connection we can talk yes i am now the management will be the commander asked me to give a comment in english for all interested journalists and people who are interested in our question

, actually we, depending on the quality of communication, can count on a fairly long conversation. i have many answers to your numerous questions, and the only thing that can stand in our way is, well, now, as usual, we have been under enemy fire there for the last several months, we may have problems with the technical support of communication, but i will recommend not to switch and just wait a little if well, just in case the connection is fast and will be quickly restored. we can go to the question immediately if you have them arranged and ready, or i can continue in principle in the same spirit as perlyna did short or well, this is a fairly detailed introduction to the context of the events that are happening with

explanations of what is actually happening, what is the situation, how is it more convenient for you, how is it more informative for you, i grouped the questions, are they basically all the same, well , that is, it’s all about the same thing, i’ll just list, for example, about what they are asking is basically about what kalyna said and what you could continue, the questions are such, how many are there now, are there still people, if you know how many how many civilians, how many soldiers, how many wounded, how many dead are there er russian troops on the territory of the plant and another very common question from er german journalists and english er a very strange question er what do you feel on reconciliation day and today at azovla sorry i just have to

ask because they asked it eight times, i can answer all these questions, even more, i can tell you how to expand the english language. actually , i wanted to plan this with the commander a little earlier, and let's start from the first. well, i won't answer questions that contain operational information, then can be sensitive, for example, about the number of soldiers who are so uh, because well, many people know that well, he has access to this information, there is a lot of speculation, but i well, i have, in principle, i can not expose my unit to danger , the capture of mariupol is almost the last for two and a half months, a situation that has

never been seen before in military history, i am a soldier, a military historian myself, and therefore i know that such a siege , such a capture took place for so long , and with such a number of casualties from the enemy as among the soldiers, there are so many losses among the civilians , among the civilian population, what makes my heart grow the most is what is happening right now, what is actually going on, the evacuation of small groups, to issue documents, i need to tell you something, because of the carelessness of some journalists, because there are more of them here a hundred almost 150 streams are public and i have to get your consent for it to be public okay plus continue please now celebrate

small victories small by evacuating several dozen several hundred people and also accordingly at the same time, 25,000 people were killed by the russian army, the problem is that we are military and we have our own business, our own work, our own duties, our duty to protect our own family, our own state , our own people, our state, this is our highest priority, higher than our lives, this is our obligation physical and moral problem is that many people actually observe and all this from a personal point of view from a personal point of view any difficult issue may seem easy to solve may seem easy to manipulate may be different

to perceive many difficult situations, difficult circumstances actually require a higher point of observation, we in the military have such an opportunity , we respect and understand politicians and other people who perform their work, they have their priorities and accordingly, we respectfully understand that politicians have their own ratings and punishments national ways, of course, also priorities, they deal with them and also warnings about security, but we also know the truth. the truth is that we are unique, and because no one expected that we have been around for so long let's stop and we are still standing, this is the most interesting fact, because our government actually failed

to defend mariupol, it failed to prepare the defense of mariupol, the problem is that many people say that we are heroes, they call us heroes, we should not, we should not flaunt it because we are actually doing our job, but many people say that, and of course we are also admired . now one second, i want to explain everything, answer your questions one by one, and i will try to tell you about everything, the first fact, heroism appears when planning and organization fail and many people believe that we are living heroes, mostly that's how it is and there are living heroes just walking next to me and

sitting next to me standing next to me we see them here next to us and there are many people who gave their lives for the city for the state for the people of ukraine, and this is our highest priority, you know, we could easily withdraw from mariupol, retreat many years ago, months ago, when we saw that the situation was becoming critical and very dangerous because of what the city was like when the encirclement of the city began. and that's why we decided to stand here and stay here anyway. so we also had an order to defend mariupol, we did not have an order to completely take over the command of the defense of mariupol, but this decision was made because no one else was up to it, so the problem is that many official representatives

the authorities have been sabotaging the defense of ukraine for the past few years, i would say 8 years because this war did not start in february, on february 24, and we constantly emphasize this, our preparation was sabotaged by officials and bureaucrats the government, everyone simply prevented us from preparing for defense because we knew that a big war with russia was coming, we knew about it, we knew about it all the time and we were ready, at least we were ready as much as we could professional training in the collection of equipment and ammunition and again professional training introducing new standards

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for our changes i can give a separate comment to me it's not difficult for me the only thing that can stop us is so much communication look we consulted we think what is better in english, just let the translators translate into ukrainian on the channel for our change, you say in english how convenient you are and everything will be fine, that is, well, they asked me for english , i do english well, everything is cool he has a lot of his interther for teen tires 2014 we were volunteers and there were a lot of people here, but we decided to leave our past behind us and become military as it should be and the new modern ukrainian army should be, that's why we started to learn how to

prepare and train as we think little it would be best if we squeezed all the experience we have from military history from military specialists and experts from world experience, we analyzed all the operations that took place all over the world in order to create better tactics, better training, and we did it, we did it and now we are looking at how it is shown. and it actually turns out to be about the defense of mariupol , because it is significant with such a small number, we can provide support for the 55th artillery brigade, as well as marine police units, etc. the border guards themselves, the border ukrainian armed

forces, together with our call-in denis prokopenko, we regrouped and accordingly provided defense, and now we are still blocking a part of ukraine in occupied mariupol, which is called the factory or zostal. i didn't expect it myself either. because our forecasts were so dark. we thought that the russian army would simply overcome everyone. well, the armed forces still resisted. i'll check what the question is. yes, yes, you have two questions in the chat, yes, of course, mr. panchevsky, some of those who fought

in zostali were detained by russia, they also take part in the russian parade, they say that the ukrainian commanders treated them very badly, and that the people inside were used as human shields, well, i'll start there from the second question how much do you have left i will not answer this question because this is operational information for me as an officer it is not acceptable to answer such a question is too sensitive information related to the first question all these accusations and all these statements that people were used as human shields, this is normal if you think like a russian soldier, russian soldiers who came to the territory of countries in order to rape, rob, kill, uh, such was the strength of civilians, the problem is that if you start to build a point from this perspective, everything becomes

logical, but if you look from the point of view of a civilian who personally witnessed all the horrors that the russian army did to the residents of mariupol and the bombing of residential areas, the destruction their lives were destroyed and they found shelter here behind our line of defense inside the azovstal plant. and many people remained in mariupol while we continued to hold the line of defense, which was when it was still outside the city, but while we continued the defense outside the city, the russian army still bombed and shot inside the place, we had a lot of material that has not been published yet because the information is sensitive. but nevertheless, it is already too late because the situation is now

completely clear to everyone who has at least a little mind in the head but for some reason not for russians. you should also know that russian propaganda works very well, but for russians and some people outside of russia, it happens that they also fall for it. what kind of messenger do i have for vladimir putin and russian soldiers? well, i will answer that later. i will not answer the question about luhansk, because the situation here is much more important for me now, let's go one by one, please, as for the civilians who were inside the plant, very simply, the civilian fled the city and was found shelters at the factory, there were several thousand of them in the

middle of the factory, and while the fighting was outside the city, they somehow managed to leave through the humanitarian corridors of some kind, and accordingly, there were no centralized actions, but some people were so scared, especially in the last few weeks, they were so scared that they tried we were trying to just get them out of those bunkers so they would go and now again i'm looking at this situation from a military point of view civilian factor for the military it's always a limiting factor if if there were no civilians here in the city, it was just a battlefield, no restrictions, well, that's an honest answer and it's just uncomfortable for us, of course, when a

civilian is right next to us, but we protected them because it's our duty, we provided them with medical care food, water, we shared with them all the resources we had and the people we found. we saw that they were hiding in bunkers here in azovstalia, so we tried to move them away from military positions as far as possible from our checkpoints. yes, i'm sorry, it was just very important to answer

so we tried to place these people as far as possible from our positions and from our own bunkers so that they so that we could ensure their safety but again the russian bombs er certainly don't er avoid civilians and their strategy or boarding er was very simple, they just threw bombs and destroyed houses with the help of tanks. we also published a video where it is clearly visible, of course, the materials have not yet been published due to the fact that there is operational information, but nevertheless, the bombings were according to the coordinates on the map there there was no precise guidance these are just ordinary bombs aerial bombs and if it was if it was a strategic bombing i will explain to you if you use tactical aviation then the decision to

use it is made at the tactical level by the commander of the brigade say or the commander of the e-e unit but if you use strategic aviation then this is already the e-th level the highest level of command, for example, the minister of defense or the commander-in-chief, therefore, of course, we became a very big problem for the russians, a big problem for putin because the negotiations are currently talking a lot about us, but we are trying to remain modest and keep the situation that we talked about why it is important to take you to a third country and why you cannot stay there and what

awaits you in captivity i think it is very important to say as a western journalist. how will you hear it? it's important. thank you for the tip. ah, i'll start using the team, first of all, about the chances we have here. i'll tell you the same thing that i tell them to our fellow soldiers in such a critical situation as we have now. in fact, the first value is if we know how it will end, of course, you can just put down your weapon and sit in a corner and wait for the end, it will be a slow death from hunger or a quick death from a bomb, just accept the second option. you can try to somehow run away like a coward, think only about your own life, but not to think about his duty, about the oath he took, and the same thing happened to the

commander of the 36th brigade of marines, he simply refused to carry out the order that was given to him and he tried to escape from the city from the city tried to break through with a small grouping of workers and tanks and armored vehicles and ammunition . and you know the situation here is such that we are more than 100 km from our main positions. we do not have proper training on both sides and the points, how are the points, the points are breached here, it is impossible to break through , it is impossible, but if you think only about your life, then of course you will grab any opportunity to prolong this life for yourself, therefore,

of course, such an option will cause, first of all, a great shame, and secondly, it can lead to death because one of the people died. during this attempt, the third option is to put down the weapon and simply surrender, and the fourth option is the only way that guarantees your life and you will not be ashamed of what you did, it means to stand and fight, you know. we knew all this time that the azov regiment does not have a high chance of survival if we are captured and surrender from us is unacceptable because we can not give such large gifts to the enemy because every person who is a prisoner is already an exchange fund, it is a resource of political and military pressure

this is a resource for exchange in order to increase the level of negotiations and positions that we can leave on the political stage, let's say. for example, if politicians try to fight for every soldier who was captured, then they are wasting our time, our resources, our attention, i mean ukrainian, and attention the already very limited problem is that if you disperse your limited resources like this, you will achieve your goals. i must remind you that we are fighting an aggressor and an enemy who brings terror to ukraine and from against this is barbarism again, we are trying to talk to the same people who killed almost a thousand people

in buch, who trained women and even children, who destroyed churches, hospitals, houses, their main goal here in ukraine is not to capture terrorists, not to seize resources, not to gain political advantage, their main goal is to destroy the ukrainians, they show it, they demonstrate it, it is very obvious, and as for me, for a ukrainian citizen, for an officer of the ukrainian army, it is absolutely clear, because from this perspective everything becomes logical and likewise returning to the issue of conscription and surrender, one of our soldiers was captured during the battle, it was precisely on the 20th of april, he was