because now there will be e-e trains e if there was no possibility or there were no roads or e trains could not go and first of all they started from the airport where but we know that there is an opportunity to protect airports somewhere america would like to see this e- afghanistan, are you a cancer jetta and others? well, now the question is more and more how much america wants to get involved in this war, but as we hear from the president of america or the president of various countries , in europe it is not a war, but first of all, it is a war against ukraine, but it is this against the whole the democratic world, how long does ukraine have to fight on its own, and even that things are transmitted by readers or missiles and everything? well, how long does ukraine have to

defend the targets by itself? those newer missile systems that could protect the airport, but the mood in american society and american politicians is changing in general, the campaigns of this war, how do you evaluate these weeks, how serious and weighty these changes were, i think the most effective was first of all, to see how they defended kyiv, how the russian army could not come to kyiv, and after that, maybe even a little more effectively, when not only the leaders moved, but we see how many journalists wanted to visit kyiv, wanted to talk with the president himself, and wants to see the story itself, and those important, important moments . i think it's like gold for the cause, so that the world understands what's going on here, because we know that the matter is in

heaven. and here in america, they will change their mind and talk about hollywood or other western ones matters that are not as serious as this war. so when there is a moment after the defense of kyiv, three after this great victory, and that journalists themselves, as well as leaders of other countries, can visit kyiv. it was very effective here in america, we do not know how they will be interested in visiting er, further from the city , is it kharkiv, er, or when we, er, will er, ukraine will liberate other cities throughout the east, but i would think it would be just as effective if i myself, the journalists there, saw what a horror it was during i would say during the occupied days of the russian empire thank you, mr. andriy, the guest of our broadcast was andriy dobryanskyi, the spokesperson of the ukrainian komisal

committee of america, and now we will talk with a public figure, we talked about the kyiv-mohyla business school of valery pekarem, we will talk about what is happening with the ukrainian infrastructure, how far can we hope for its restoration, or is it even possible to talk about the restoration of infrastructure in a country that can at any moment become an arena for new russian aggression, how to act in such a situation, mr. valery , good afternoon, you are on vitaliy, well, i think that those our viewers and readers who have at least once played a strategic computer game remember how it looks from one side, somewhere on one ukrainian screen, fighting is still going on, and on another ukrainian screen, workers are already starting to restore, and if this restoration does not begin it is on the edge of the screen. this is the territory where the war is taking place. it very quickly ends in defeat. we cannot postpone recovery until after the war, because otherwise there will be no victory after the war if we do not now

let's start dealing with the economy in the first month after the beginning of the invasion, the situation looks like this, that almost half of the ukrainian economy stood, if we take small and medium-sized businesses, it was 10-80%. now the situation has improved significantly, many enterprises have resumed work a-a part of the territory has already been vacated or is approaching the release and part of the enterprise was able to relocate, that is, move to new places er-e and this means that today we are already starting to restore the economy a-a and this means that there will be jobs taxes will be necessary goods and so on and so on. of course, all this is very difficult because ours is also ongoing and there may still be shelling and there may be missiles and there may still be bad enough scenarios, but if we start working now if we postpone recovery until after the war then after the war, it's just a state. and how to do it? and how much

money to do it? union and what will happen in principle in june and this is already a fairly automatic thing. since we have received an invitation and then acquiring the status of members of the european union , it can be quite a long way. different countries have passed it in 10 years. not only not because we are so good, but because the european union itself is changing very much today under the influence of what is happening in ukraine around, and the second process is the reconstruction, the restoration of what was destroyed in order to be able to continue living, and the third process - this is modernization, i.e. the transfer of ukraine to the next, still without development, the transformation of the country from a country that remained somewhere in the 1980-80s to the state of the country that lives in the 2020-30s, and these

three processes are not simple because they contradict each other quite strongly each other, for example, for modernization we need maximum economic freedom, for european integration we need to limit economic freedom a little in order to comply with european rules, and reconstruction needs quick solutions, and modernization needs permanent solutions, conditionally speaking, reconstruction requires that we distribute cardboard boxes to all homeless people so that they live in cardboard boxes and then there are no homeless people, and modernization requires that we do not make such ill-thought-out decisions, but quick ones and build good housing, but this means that the homeless will remain homeless for a while, that is, the strategy how in this triangle there is integration , modernization and reconstruction, and there will be a solution to determine what ukraine will look like in the next 30 and maybe even 50 years. and this

the discussion is ongoing now and it does not have a ready solution, it will continue please remember well, here i am thinking about this and we are now all the time making some plans for the future without even understanding when this future will come, the truth and unlike us some western the investor thinks, well, of course, i am ready to participate in the reconstruction of this country, it can be very promising, very interesting, this country may someday become a member of the european union there in the coming years, well , let it be there in five to 10 years it doesn't matter promising, but for this, everything must be finished . when will everything be finished, asks the investor. when will everything be finished? people are talking on the streets and near the television screens, and no one in the whole world can give an answer to this question, and this is a problem for every ukrainian citizen, but it is also a problem for the investor. number one a-a p vitaliy, look for the investor the situation looks even a little worse because he doesn’t know not only what the future of ukraine will be but the investor also doesn’t know what the future of europe will be like for him

the future of america, what will be the future of africa, what will be the future of asia? well, of course, i do not know what the future of russia will be, for example, or china, that is, ukraine is now the parliamentary point of the world in the sense that the old order has completely collapsed. and what the new order will be in the world today, no one knows and will the european union withstand the tensions that have arisen, or will american-european relations and tensions that have arisen between uh-uh in the defense sphere endure or what format will nato have uh-uh all international organizations all abbreviations which we still love the osce so much nato means that there is also the red cross, unesco and so on and so on and so on they all failed completely, they were not ready for the great war, they were all ready only for what kind of conflicts that can be somehow you can rule there, conditionally speaking, ethiopia and eritrea, guys, don’t fight there, share somehow and so on, and now no one knows what to do, what will happen in america, will america continue to

develop, is it the leader of the free world, or is it again will return to the age of populism er after of the next presidential elections. and what will happen to china so that it can withstand the tensions that it does not have, and how it will be governed in the future? we understand that china is currently undergoing very difficult tests due to the fact that the whole world is practically close to the coronavirus, and in china now everything the worst possible option, and despite the fact that in the fall there will also be a congress of the communist party at which , in january, the brush is trying to run for a third life term. that is, there is a lot of uncertainty, and the food crisis created the russian-ukrainian war, ukraine feeds 400 million people in one way or another , including africa, for example, which i don’t know if it will eat in the near future, it won’t happen, that is, the investor doesn’t know anything now. and now, in principle, everyone the whole sweatshirt means that the political leader and the scientists and the intellectual leaders must

very quickly form the images of the new world order, now few people understand what they will be, well, on the other hand, all these world organizations that you are talking about, as they say, were created for after the second world war bearing in mind that there won't be any more world wars, well, there aren't any yet, we know we are in such a transitional stage, whether they will be or not and this will no longer be a story about ukraine, of course, because ukraine here will simply be a hostage of those events that will take place, there are many other small and medium-sized countries, but they were created in order to overcome local conflicts, but they work with them. this is absolutely logical. i do not see any helplessness, frankly of international organizations just believes that there is not one yet. i would say hell. on the territory of nato member countries, we have to say that everything that was established after the second world war works for those countries that made the right choice and does not work for those countries that did not make the right

choice ukraine can still overcome its mistakes of thirty years of its development and make the right choice one day or not to disappear. this is an absolutely normal choice for any civilized country to exist, not to disappear, we are now proving that we can at least to correct the mistakes of the ukrainian people with the blood of their defenders for 30-odd years. well , it won't be possible all the time because sooner or later the human material for you will simply run out. national mistakes but allow me to disagree with you that uh all uh world organizations are working the world war is already going on because the war remains a hot war weapons supplies weapons supplies is already a war sanctions is already a war and so on, and the world is already divided and world organizations are absolutely not ready for one of the participants in the conflict to be an organization that is, let's say, a permanent member of the un security council, and i would

say that just talking to representatives of these organizations, they are really in shock, and they are really they know that they are not working, in the near future they must either be disbanded or rebooted seriously enough. tiger i would say there are five important conditions here, because one way or another, war is a terrible evil - it is the blood of suffering, destruction and death and ruin, and on the other hand, it very often opens up opportunities for a quick economic jump because there is a consensus regarding recovery, let's look at the five conditions for ukraine to become an economic tiger, the number one condition is this or a security umbrella, no country in history has ever become an economic tiger without a security umbrella that someone opens over it. i don't know who it will be or whether it will be nato or some other union, but one way or another, if we are forced to face the next russian aggression by ourselves, it means that we will

divert too much of our resources to this and there will be no economic impact. look at e- e western europe after the 45th year to the eastern movement after the 90th year to south korea to japan to taiwan in all these cases someone 's security umbrella was necessarily over ukraine the second e is a critical mass of citizens who want to live according to the new rules that are ready and willing to change the rules of the game, and in 2014, there were about 15% of such citizens even after the 16th year. now a very big change is happening, but due to the fact that there is no sociological research, i think i will not be able to say what is happening now, what numbers will be according to intuitive feeling, we have people who want changes in the country, there will be 25-30%, maybe that is, in fact, it will double, it is already good critical mass for something to start happening the third condition is a little problematic because it is the rule of law, it is our pain

point, for many years we have been promising ukrainian citizens and western partners that we will finally do it, but so far we are the biggest problem and the fourth point, the fourth prerequisite is maximum economic freedom, that is, maximum inclusion of the entrepreneurial energy of ukrainian citizens in order to restore the country, but for to me, ukraine always seems to be a country of such kulaks in the best sense of the word in small and medium-sized owners, self-sufficient, bossy, energetic, enterprising, competent , shrewd, and, of course, because of that, wealthy and because the well-off are well-christened this is the ukrainian national archetype to which we aspire, aspire , aspire, which throughout the 20th century was destroyed by the soviet and russian empires but still, we rage against it, but ukraine today ranks

130th in the world as of the beginning of the year according to the level of economic freedom, the society is 130th in the world according to the level of economic freedom, countries with such a level of economic freedom have no chance to recover after the war and have no chance to continue to exist normally either we will change it or it will er, as you showed mr. vitaly, er, the next mistake will simply lead to the final material, please. thank you, mr. valery, we, er, by the way, wanted to talk a little about the fund for the restoration of ukraine, how effective it can be in such a situation. i did not ask this question, but i would like to understand what the parameter of this fund will be, and there are a lot of extensions in them. let me be brief, at that time they had one . so what subordinated to us, let's look at the

main ukrainian intersections, is this a quick solution ? are these permanent solutions, are they short-term priorities that political leaders need, for example, in order to be elected for the next term, or is this a long-term priority? is this centralization, which allows you to effectively control everything from one place , or decentralization to give to the people where they know better what to do on the ground and this is to give everything to ukraine with the understanding that there will be enough corruption or to give everything to foreigners with the understanding that they are not know nothing about our priorities and we will not have the right to vote in our own lives a-a only a few of these important stretches a-a and there are a few more a-a but actually how is the date for them the answer to them depends on that or this will the fund work or not ? i think that there will be several mechanisms. i think that they will be different. credits and

investments will also play a role, but all of this requires a very important point, which i said is a critical mass of citizens who are not ready to live by the old rules. and now i see the rule of law there are many people who say that if we cannot change the rules of the game in ukraine, it means that all the destruction, all the deaths, all the heroism and everything that the military and civilians throughout ukraine have developed and are doing, and ah, it will all be in vain. i agree with this ah you know, they say that ukraine very often wastes the chances it has, the window of opportunity is not very large, and i am happy that the discussion about what the configuration of the future ukraine will be is happening right now without expecting that ukrainian victory will already come, because then it will it's late, and here i would like to mention a very important thing. last week, a few dozen key business associations of ukraine jointly signed memorandum a on the main

principles of economic policy, declaring to the government and ukrainian society, one way or another, what the economic policy is . was not accepted anyway, it will have to be implemented by ukrainian business with its own money and with its own hands, which means that business must have a right to vote in these matters and business usually advocates the maximum economic freedom for the abolition of all those restrictions on entrepreneurial activity that ukraine has not had since soviet times, please and business will appeal to the ukrainian people to clarify its position. thank you for being with us on this broadcast and we will now turn to the historian and publicist oleksandr alfiorov. greetings , mr. oleksandr. we are talking about how the views of ukrainians changed on may 8 on this a day that is now so important in world

history and which has always been celebrated in ukraine on may 9, here is a poll of the group rating that now for 80% of the polls it is a day of remembrance and only 50% 15%, uh, believe that it is the day victory can be said that the attitude towards this date is already changing, which, unfortunately, i still have for may 9. it has not been canceled by the ukrainian parliament . years we remember it was huge celebration and to accuse us of being fascists. this is absolutely such a navigator on the part of the russian people as a whole. today we are talking about the fact that we have embarked on the european path not only in the development of awareness of actually huge processes, and today we understand that ukraine, which was without a state, so at least marina is so

sure of the ussr, but we understand that the people were scattered without having their own state and representatives of the ukrainian ukrainian people, the ukrainian nation of ukrainian citizens fought in various armies of the world in the red army in the german army in the polish french british american in the canadian in the canadian more than 40,000 ukrainians by origin fought and for us this war did not start in 1941 kiev was bombed on mobiles and now there is an awareness that the first aerial bombs fell on lviv in september 1939 and that ukrainians have been in this war since 1939 until, of course, september 1945, when our ukrainians fought, continued the war in those ocean spaces, and it is indisputable now to speak knowing those victims who were hidden as much as possible by the soviet union, knowing these victims i think that the updated generation and the younger generation do not

think of celebrating the fact that ukrainians lost 10 million people exclusively to the death of totalitarian regimes, as they say now about the soviet regime and the german regime i am talking about the fact that we do not have the honor to celebrate, obviously according to the opinions of the russians but we all know that in reality we are talking about several million post-worker workers, where this is about people who were actually resettled by force and deported from the territory of ukraine, including the crimean tatars , we are talking about the fact that, in principle, in general, talking about victory day, soviet russia then and today, putin's russia is now questioning the international logic in general, because they talk about victory day when others talk about memorial day and accordingly, if in the orphan union they started

talking about the victory of the soviet people as a whole, then today this victory is absolutely the victory of the russian soldier only, therefore, we are undoubtedly talking about the fact that opinion is changing and it changes to wires, pity is unnatural and today we see that it is also changing due to the fact that the day from the 14th year they were with such closed eyes today they opened starting from the chop with the ending er eastern and southern regions of ukraine therefore it is obvious that people now they began to understand that may 9 is the same weapon in the context of the victory, the same weapon as the aerial bombs that drop the name into steel today in order to break through the strength of the steel and concrete there. and actually change our worldview points of view

. tell me, in principle, if we talk about worldview points of view, how should the nominative in general look like this on ukrainian streets, in the names of squares and monuments, there is also a lot of talk about this, but you know that when was this proposal to rename kyiv streets included in the list what could have included the geographical names and surnames of russian figures of culture and science and the surnames of ukrainian soviet figures of culture and science at once, now many people know it in such cognitive dissonance, why do we what else should we get rid of and what should we keep, and this does not only apply to kyiv, of course, i will say that the biggest thing that has fallen under russification is belarusian names , we can see on the example of the kyiv metro, when the minsk station e-e is a russified place that is subject to russification, we clearly understand that any empire or that russian, soviet, or putin today, on

our borders, the eastern territories are trying to shift the orientations of consciousness due to the change of this toponymic yes, yes, of us. for example, in kyiv, pushkinska street is in the center tolstoy's turgenivska lion and for human awareness - this is a street in the center well, the street of one of the founders of modern ukrainian literature , kvitka osnovyanenko, is located on marginetska, on the outskirts there are 51 private houses, so already this complex of inferiority was essentially created, and together with these our old toponyms were erased by the names of the streets. today, we have a priority in restoring the names according to the historical names , and it is clear that these streets, which are being renamed today, are a huge problem with them, therefore that they are essentially thrown out to public opinion, which can be more precise, has a situation, has a low qualification, as i say about the majority of armor

through voting, and here we faced the problems that now there will be an incredible number of renamings of these ot russifications of so derzified streets, which are mainly located in on the outskirts of private sectors, everything is possible there, amur, kapustyan, and the like, and we will now start renaming these crooked streets in honor of those figures, that is, the degree in general what will change is that the cities in the center will remain so gray and so dull under the actual work, but here we have it that these crooked buns will be named in honor of king danyla, i don’t know vladimir the great . this is a big policy. how can we create such a field that this field is ours? it actually brought up a generation because when we talk about imperial names, we have to understand that there are such names that

do not matter to the townspeople or peasants where this street exists, but they subconsciously do, well, even a moment. in order to create at least a neutral date for the subconscious from some communist date yes , there is some kind of conditional january 3, no one knows, but at the subconscious level this date actually begins to make the sewer neutral, moreover, you know that today when we talk about de-russification so where is imperialization in essence we forget the other a process that is also carried out in ukraine by almost a thousand streets with the name sadova, then there are cherry and apricot trees, this is also gray, which is a consequence of the fact that the persian colonial regime has already ended for them margin of safety of their ideological and they called the streets such

and such absolutely fruity names ten in the top 10 names of streets in ukraine well , it's already bezlimina, but still now it remains to enter pushkin's street, gagarin's street, because gagarin is just a russian guy, but he won in space and he dominates gagarina's people. pushkin's is not a top 10 street in the russian federation. at the same time, for example, the street of peace, how many times ukraine was destroyed due to repression, torture, famine , genocide, because of the war, due to the extermination of the dissident movement, so that the special mission of these names in the soviet union made such a decision to give the street of peace, that is, to subconsciously say that we are here, that everything is calm in lviv, why in lviv , stalin street was renamed to myra street -

this current street took place in the context of such de-stalinization, but you know where leninization in ukraine, well, in the end, unfortunately, it happened exclusively in the 21st year, when the last monuments to lenin were removed , it seems there were 3, and i'm not sure if the bust was removed from the theater in the subway . theatrical, perhaps, behind that bander will be the next line to shine. well, it's like the russian poet oleksandr halych, that bronze ones come out of the alleys, but there are mysterious plaster ones. and by the way, we thought when you knew this song it was from the fifties and it was thought to be a joke, but now in moscow, all these plaster busts of stalin have all been found and they are all standing in bookstores in various places like that, everything turned out to be a prophecy, you understand, and

it was weighed accordingly so that there would never be a plaster bust of stalin again, well, actually, we are talking about the restoration of the monuments of melitopol, for example yes i was there in kakhovka recently, we say that in the yard of the mariupol museum there were these busts, which are being used today. well, let's try there. such and such a strange country, they do not have their own. you do not have such stable identities. it turns out that this is the reality that you and i must prevent, dear friends. thank you to oleksandr alfiorov, a historian and a policeman with whom we discussed precisely the issue of historical heritage. i really hope that she is from you will never return to that authoritarianism, to those practices of dictatorship, and to that, and i told you, the fascination with the historical legacy of the dictatorship that your neighboring country is currently experiencing and which, in

fact, became the basis for russia to attack ukraine was now being killed, looted, destroyed , and the reality we live in is the legacy of the russian imperial communist i would say videology. your work in a few moments the espresso news team will tell you about the most important and i will start with the fact that our warriors on azovstal have declared that they will fight until the end today is the day of remembrance and reconciliation civilized and democratic world commemorates those who died during the second world war in the center