until the russian leadership destroyed the church of the three saints in 1183, the russians are purposefully destroying ukrainian culture as they did 100,200,300 years ago. their goal is to take away our historical memory and national identity. the culture of the aggressor country has not been present on the international scene since the beginning of the war. 200 war crimes of russian troops against the cultural heritage of ukraine join the cultural resistance on espresso literally in a minute maybe more maybe less immediately after me, you will see the broadcast of the security forum. so, on the day of the victory over nazism in the 45th year, the kyiv security forum is holding an online discussion within the framework of the war cycle of the

struggle for ukraine. and this online discussion is devoted to the international significance of ukraine's victory over russian imperialism and who will take nazism participation in this discussion, who you will be able to hear and see, and ambassador michael carpenter is the permanent representative of the usa at the organization for security and cooperation in europe. well, what about the other participants you will be introduced by danilopkivskyi, who is the director of the kyiv security forum, we are moving on to the broadcast, i am saying goodbye to you until tomorrow take care and be with the press, i am addressing you from kyiv kyiv security forum continues its special online discussions called the struggle for ukraine today is the 74th day war, which is the genocide of russia against our people.

on this day, may 8, we define the day of victory over nazism in the second world war. the human suffering and material losses of ukraine during that war were enormous. from five to seven million people were destroyed, more than 700 cities and villages, another 28,000 villages, but we won, we won in that war, the peoples and countries that united won the fight, in particular, ukrainians today our people have united again now in a heroic struggle against a new type of nazism, russian imperialism aimed at the destruction of ukraine and a change in the world order, just like the nazis in 1939, when russia claims that it wants to ensure a final solution to the ukrainian issue, and again we are fighting together against

atrocities and tyranny today i talked with my friends from the front and they have a single message we will win but don't delay with weapons give us weapons to protect ukraine more and as soon as possible this is what we really need for the victory of ukraine why the victory of ukraine is important for the world why the united democratic countries must defend themselves from the new terrain and how our joint victory can change and strengthen the international order today we will discuss these issues with our guests i want to introduce our speakers first of all, ms. pobamu, writer, historian , laureate of the police prize in 2004. thank you, thank you for the invitation. ambassador michael carponter,

permanent representative of the united states to the organization for security and cooperation in europe. prime minister of sweden 1991-94 and minister of credit affairs of sweden in 2006 thank you for your presence arseniy yatsenyuk prime minister of ukraine and chairman of the kyiv security forum prime minister of ukraine in 2014-16 today we we also offer you a special video address to ukraine and the security of kyiv format recorded by timati snyder, a writer and historian, professor of history at the university of yerevan and i invite arseny yatsenyuk to start our discussion, dear ladies and gentlemen, today we define the end of the second world war today

we pray and mourn the victims of this war and today, mr. putin, i will not say president, i will not say president, he is celebrating today, and tomorrow he will let off fireworks, clap his hands, and not pray or grieve, we nations talk about celebrating the victory over fascism in over german nazism, but those who tomorrow are going to celebrate it are the ones who started a new war, just as hitler did in his time against independent sovereign ukraine. i could never imagine that in my lifetime i i will be a witness to the fact that ukraine

will suffer this brutal and defiant blow from the russian army, the russian president and the russian people. i was born in ukraine in soviet ukraine, even in soviet times it was said that no, it will never happen again, but mr. putin is hitler's successor in this regard, those who represent themselves to this regime, the ukrainian people are suffering, the ukrainian people are now in a very difficult situation, but we are fighting courageously , the ukrainian military is so courageous and strong, this army is holding back and even attacking

one of the largest armies in the world, the russian army we are fighting for our homeland we are fighting for our families we are fighting for our lives for our future and we will win my appeal to the whole world is that there is no other alternative but the victories of ukraine, since the victory of ukraine will be the victory of the entire free world, this is a struggle for ukraine, a struggle for human rights, for freedom, for independence, this is a righteous struggle, therefore i call on the entire civilized world to help ukraine save ukraine and support the ukrainian people

, we are on the right side of history. i am very grateful to the us administration to the american people, the big seven and the european union, to everyone who realizes that putin and his regime are a real threat to our lives and our families to our countries and our security , i am convinced that ukraine will win this war and i am convinced that we will show everyone in the world that democracy and freedom will

always win. with you about the meaning of the victory of ukraine, not everyone thinks now about the victory about the end of the war, especially now on these days of may, i want to say about the meaning of this war, about how this war can end and how it must end and i want to give 10 reasons why we should focus on the victory of ukraine somewhere. rest why the victory of ukraine is important not only for it but also for the wider world. the first, perhaps, the most fundamental reason is that, in my opinion, the victory of ukraine is the only way to achieve it. it is obvious that all conscious people want peace, promises the war

is over and i am convinced that the victory of ukraine is the only way to end this war, the victory of russia only before further russian aggression, the capitulation of ukraine meant the continuation of russia's atrocities on ukrainian lands. i believe that the only way to end the war is the victory of ukraine, that is, the success of ukraine on the battlefield, which will make russia understand that negotiations are in its interests; secondly, i believe that the victory of ukraine is important for the security of the region, the only way to protect ukrainians is for ukraine to win, at the same time it is very important for the peoples of the baltic countries for poland for romania moldova it is important that russian greece does not succeed against a neighboring state the third reason why the victory of ukraine is important

primarily concerns its citizens of ukraine, there is no other way to protect ukrainian citizens, a separate victory for ukraine. as long as the war continues, ukrainians under the conditions of russian occupation suffer from deportation and other atrocities, and ukrainians in unoccupied territories from shelling and bombing, and in order to provide for 40 million ukrainians, this is an end to the war in a single the way to end the war is the victory of ukraine, the fourth reason, as for me, is very important, concerns the protection of democracy as such, this is not happening, what and because ukraine is a democracy, it has an unpredictable political system inherent in a democracy, which gives rise to unpredictable combinations of unpredictable leaders, and this unpredictability, the impossibility of knowing what to expect, is unbearable for

putin and the russian regime and their ilk , so another reason why the victory of ukraine is important is protection i also believe that this is also important for democracy. as such, the victory of russia became a huge victory for all forces that oppose democracy for everyone who wants to to use one or another form of violence to overthrow democracy, the victory of ukraine is the victory of those who believe in the law, seeks real elections and the responsibility of their leaders, especially for those who are ready to take risks for this purpose , the sixth reason is also related to this, i want the victory

of ukraine, it will be a victory countries that have always been considered as a periphery as a colony and other states that considered themselves to be at a certain phase of the political political process and paralyzing forces understand that such wars exhaust them and each at a certain stage, the european state understood that such a war would exhaust them, and this in itself is good because it is an imperialist war, and russia believes that ukraine does not exist, that it does not exist, and the victory of ukraine will be a victory over

e.e. every state has the right to exist and to equality . the seventh reason is that it is connected with the second world war. putin reads the results of the war in such a way that after this war there should be more war and his reading of the fight against fascism so that there should be even more fascism and more realism, and putin calls whoever he wants to be his enemy as nazis, and we have to fight against such a reading of the second world war, especially

when it comes to the protection of certain values, which were furnished by those who fought fascism during the previous war this is the importance of the rule of law, the importance of the international order, the possibility of democracy, here we are working, it is in this case that it is also related to the practice of the security of europe and the security of the whole world, and also that russia became a normal state at one time, it is very

important that the people of russia move away from their terrorist policy and this is very important precisely for the future and for russia so that russia can look to the future for its real interests and here the result can be decided only on the battlefield, only this can to cause the solution of the new russia, which will not have the imperialist face of russia, in which the interests will be directed first of all to the future, ukraine is a large producer of

food and uh, if ukraine loses this war then the whole world will suffer from a shortage of food products, because ukraine does not have the opportunity to export all these economic products for export, and if it continues in this way, then people in africa and other regions of the world will suffer from a shortage of food products, and this will have huge consequences and not only hunger, but also political instability, the victory of ukraine and freedom from trade is somewhere possible to avoid this, and the tenth that sums up all this is that the

victory of ukraine is necessary not only for ukraine and for all of us, to be able to look into the future of ukraine, it always only applies to the past year. it only applies to both myths, and this is not what we need. we need to direct our eyes to the future. to have our own perspective in the form of membership in the european union and in terms of supporting ukraine in rebuilding the team, and if we

approach the issue of ukraine and this war with an open mind, we will see what ukrainians offer for the future and for us, too, if the ukrainians capitulated, then our future, the future of democracy, would look very bleak, and since the ukrainians resist and support us as a democratic world, i think it is time for us all to direct our eyes to the future in the future, where ukraine will be in the family of democratic states and also in a broader sense. when the victory of ukraine will show that the actions of specific politicians at the individual level are of great importance, ukrainians are also very important and their victory will give us the opportunity to build just such a future

not only for ukraine, but for all of us. we thank panasider and now i give the floor to ms. epobaum , more or less a month of the goal, and this goal should be the victory of ukraine. for the world forgiveness question thank you thank you.

in russian, politicians and military politicians, why do we claim to be an expert, e-e, the expertise of the issues is shorter, this war will end so quickly, well, the changes of the two powers and others said tomorrow, but e-e, the cities were frozen, some places were days, the first week poems don't happen to you, but when they realized that if ukraine doesn't surrender to record a video, it was a relief when he was standing like, until the president, i began to change places a lot, where they saw nothing, tactics began to arrive and so today, weapons and so on ngo and

then they played counteroffensive in the april oblast and so on and people in the united states in the pentagon and in general at home said and what's next with something shall we continue such support at this level or will we move to another level and then i answered as many others that we must insist on victory because only when we go to think about what the victory of ukraine will mean we will help the ukrainians to win and we succeeded it is clear for us at least it is more clear what it should be like say that was really certain here and we see it at the last addresses er, interested in er help to ukraine, the types of weapons that are more er advanced, which are more advanced, and

the training of officers and soldiers to use these weapons, and this just represents such things exist, please tell me why the victory of ukraine is important not only for ukraine and for all the class for all of us. i mean, how can you tell me in berlin, in warsaw or the like? the main thing is that ukrainian president zelenskyi in particular and many others have explained one more thing why they are protecting ukraine and reminded many european capitals and western capitals that if what do democracy and sovereignty mean? why are they so important? because for a very long time, in europe and the united states, we had culture wars. they said that these values ​​are important. others said

that nationalism is important, not universal. values ​​and also talked with zelenskyi in his addresses. and what did many ukrainians do ? we see that people of different religions, different nationalities, different ethnic groups have united and the president is a jew, and the representative of the cabinet of the ministry and the representatives of the parliament say no about ethnic identity and about a broad understanding of what society is like, what is not the rule of law and

ukraine began to symbolize the importance of protecting ukraine and we understood that it is very important to understand and of course we understood how to help ukraine to achieve victory i do not repeat such a thing what mr. said, you know, i agree with many things, but i wanted to emphasize this fact that due to ukraine's successful demonstration of these values, universal values ​​that are respected by the entire western judge of democratic education, i would say that because when we are talking about the west - this is only a geographical reference , but we are talking about these values ​​that are shared by people in central america and in asia. so when we understand this , we understood that we need victory, we know the goal, and then we formulated a strategy accordingly. now it is clear that the goal is victory

, victory means the patriotism of ukraine. when ukraine itself decides its historical borders and ukraine, which is the whole match, ukraine, i hope that this will be the predominant topic of discussion in the entire democratic absence of what should be the nature security guarantees or negotiations or agreements that will be concluded after the end of the war, and it is very important today that it has not yet been won, it has not yet ended, but we have to think about what a free, sovereign, independent ukraine will look like and build a strategy accordingly. thank you us in kyiv in such a forum and i am sure that

many of our viewers share this group in such a way that we are really fighting for the independence of the committee, we are talking about ukraine, about ukraine, which is a real democracy, let's talk now about real imperialism, i.e. about russia, russia posed as one of the biggest challenges in the international order and not only putin is to blame for this, it is the joint responsibility of the russian political and cultural elite of society and the people, it cannot be divided and deep ideological and cultural diseases can be cured rostik talked about these goals in order for them to have a future. they are interested in imperialism, whether they will be able to do it, what to do with russia. it seems that this is one of the most difficult questions of the 21st century. century, what do you think about it, first of all, russia

, a people's country, is not uh, define how uh, we don't believe in determinism and countries change, how ukraine has changed very carefully and seriously over the last 30 years, how countries change depends on many whether it is pure and i believe that russia can change from the elements - these are changes. and there is an encouragement of the existence of other organizations. we all know that there is another russia, there is russian mass media and intellectuals and business in the classroom. such a person left russia after february 20 and tens of thousands of months ago. in

in europe, some in america, some were there, tell me, please tell me from yerevan or two, and we should encourage these people to continue to exist, to speak with their own voice, to receive individuals, this is not a vision, let’s say satellite to the newspaper, so that they cultivate a new russia and this is not ordinary danila, what is this tragedy, this is not only war, it is also a part of society, we know the names of composers, musicians, writers who support putin and this war, but there is also another part of the elite that does not support it, and of course we have hope that water will play a leading role in

determining what the future will be, if you ask me a question, this is about poland, only here a policy should be developed to think about how to cooperate with russia, i know that many russians and ukrainians are now christians who are even speaks on behalf of russia in ukraine, in poltava, in kazakhstan, in germany, so that people in those countries know that there is another russia and that god will present another point of view of the authorities. i know that such people exist, i am familiar with them, i have spoken with them open this morning and i once again hope that they will be able to provide their services to ukraine