and of course we have to hope that the waters will play a leading role in determining what the future will be like if you ask me a question about poland, only here a policy should be developed so that i know about how to cooperate with russia . on behalf of russia in ukraine, in poltava, in kazakhstan, in germany, so that the people of those countries know that there is another russia and that god will present more of the point of view of the citizens. i know that such people exist. i am familiar with them. open this morning and i will be different, i hope they will be able to make their own ukraine as they like to do, i don't know, i can't

predict it, but one of the things about today's russia is that we can't say who will be the next leader after putin we don't know who, uh, there are no mediators who are able to change the management and choose the materials, because we are really working now, the darkness is uncertain and i ca n't tell you that there are changes, including the management, but they have to happen and i know that they will prepare russia and the whole world that hopes that russians who do not believe in the principle of russia, russia of a prosperous broad e-e, which will

think about its people not only about the ellipse, especially this will be the future leadership of russia and we must support such a russia and this is our joint task russia and ukraine of our common struggle. i would like to express my gratitude for everything you do for our common cause and for ukraine. thank you very much for working with us today, mr. carpenter , our good friend, a true friend of ukraine michaela thank you for joining our discussion. i would like to begin by paying tribute to you for your mission in vienna, you are the united states permanent representative to the osce, the organization for security and co-operation in europe, that there is no natural liberal

world order and there are no rules unless there is someone who enforces them. observing that if democracy is not protected by joint efforts, then the forces of autocracy will destroy them. i know that you and mr. biden together wrote an article in the form of fs where you expressed this opinion as well and why do you think that the victory ukraine is of great importance for the osce, for the organization of the united nations and for other international players about the number. thank you very much for the opportunity to participate in your discussion. i see it on three levels, on which it is very important that ukraine wins first - this is the level of international the system you just mentioned, if we live in a world in which one country can use missiles and e-bombs against another country to

violate their territorial integrity and it does not depend only because the church wanted one leader, then the world will never be safe and will not be based on those trailers on which the fate of the current international order was based if the organization object of the nation is not able to punish then the task happens this will certainly not be acceptable for us and also mr. snyder and he spoke about that that this is a conflict between demos from er dictatorship and the last time i was at the kyiv security forum we talked about these tectonic changes between er democratic processes and oligarchic er processes of autocracy, which also manifests itself in ukraine also because

putin does not want to have democracy on his borders , he wants to have a religion in ukraine, and ukraine is a democracy, it has its flaws. but it is a democracy, and it is very important for democracy to flourish, and i could also consider it on an individual level, on the level of an individual human being. dignity. we saw all these terrible eh hmm footage of the sbu or from the warden from other cities where the russian military simply resorted to suffering and er to rape, looting, this is barbaric behavior on the individual level of a ukrainian, they did not deserve this this is the attitude of the people who lived in the occupation

and suffered from these marauders from these beasts and non- humans. that is, it is a question of human dignity that should be regulated in the east and south of ukraine. we clearly see that russia uses the same practice that was used during the genocidal famine of the last century, they deliberately destroy ukrainians, kill civilians, steal grain en masse, destroy infrastructure and deliberately lead ukraine to a humanitarian disaster, is the osce an organization with a certain security and cooperation in europe is aware that this is a genocide against ukraine, what can i tell you that i do not represent the osce now, i represent the united states, you know what

president biden said about this, what we see at the level and the osce is the implementation of that mechanism since the 90s and it provides for the investigation of all military crimes in ukraine , they have been working for several weeks. i think this work will continue, but we see that war crimes and crimes against humanity were clearly committed there, and we will continue these investigations, we see a real attempt to erase ukrainian identity, originality in luhansk and in donetsk, in kherson, where the ruble is introduced, where the names

of cities and m. measures and we never imagined that in 2020 there would be filtering processes against ukrainians on the part of russia, something else was expected and all this points to er attempts by ukrainians to erase er identity and identity of ukrainians is going to address the russians from red square, some sources say that he may officially declare war in ukraine or something like that. it's okay in public life. do you expect to hear that? what is

your vision for the future of russia? i don't expect to hear that. i certainly don't. i can get inside the head of vladimir putin's brain, but he was already terribly twisted when he started this war and of course russia lost the battle of kiev and its forces were pushed abroad from the capital in the chernihiv sumy region, now they are trying to advance in the east and in the south, but they committed such atrocities while they were close to kyiv and now we know that the sanctions and export control measures by western countries and as she said, we are not only talking about the west, the geographic map of australia zealand and japan, that now they will not

develop, not the economy, not the military-industrial complex, and therefore it is difficult for me to see how he can invent some kind of victory here , considering the huge mistakes he made. i am sure that ukraine will victorious and ukraine will ultimately be a triumph and an imperialist world in which one man can dictate the whole world and the rules er will not succeed he will lose thank you i would like to er thank the administration of the united states for the enormous support it provides and as i said at the very beginning i have close friends on the front right now and they are calling for one thing give us weapons

this is what we need and i hope not even wrong i said i hope not i am convinced that we will win with your help and now i wanted i would like to give the floor to the honorable mr. white, the huge friend of ukraine and the type of safe form. and for china and the actions of the east as a whole well, of course, russia will lose and very, very soon, but we can say that tomorrow, which they celebrate, is

the day of victory. the difference between by what is celebrated in moscow and what we see in europe in european democracies, the victory in the world war is important and should be celebrated, but when we celebrate europe, we celebrate the desire of european states and peoples to be free to express their will and fight for peace and democracy. this is an optimistic view of the future, but we are talking not only about victories in the past, but also about changes in the future. this conflict actually represents the fact that we will not celebrate the individual in this

the world that he clearly defines his lilies in his speeches and interviews, he always openly and frankly says what he is trying to do he started this war just like in september of the 39th year, it started the second world war, it was not provoked with a single goal and he wanted poland to exist, even though he is not from the church, it is from the monkey of europe, he also does not want ukraine to exist . the whole openly declares

when he starts - he starts this brutal war and of course he is in the program he has a program i agree with the shirts and with what they said democracy and the future of ukraine is extremely important but we also have to declare that aggression cannot be tolerated and because of what happened after the complete capitulation of germany in the classroom installation here is the defeat of the fifth aggressor and such a concept was created as the highest international crime and the highest national crime, the crime of aggression cannot be told, one cannot be an aggressor relations with other countries, and this is exactly the crime

committed by the leaders of germany in 1939 and the leaders of japan, and the consequences of such aggression must be very painful and cannot be tolerated, because then it encourages others to commit aggression, and there are candidates who are happy to e-e followed the example of e-e aggression and it is very important that is why the victory is important for ukraine for ukraine, first of all, as ukraine, a state that the unconquered cities of ukraine are the unique mariupol sea resort, port and metallurgical capital at the same time when muscovy deported from crimea 18,000 greeks settled in the azov region and

named the town mariupol. during the two years of occupation, the nazis turned the city into a scorched desert and the very next day after the liberation, the people of mariupol began to rebuild the city. the earth will never surrender to the enemy who does not understand how to fight for the freedom of mariupol unconquered and good evening i understand that we are already in the wind eh everyone congratulations my name is andrii zaichuk we are starting our today is such an evening marathon that will last until 12:00 and ah very much i congratulate everyone. i congratulate in particular all women and mothers and not only mothers. mothers are with

him today. mother's day is celebrated in ukrainian. well, let me introduce our guest right away. oleksandr musienko, head of the center for military and legal research, oleksandr greetings. good evening. we know that mr. oleksandr is primarily a military expert . therefore, of course, we will start immediately with military news, one of the most important of which is probably the that the ukrainian troops left the war zone yesterday, there were already reports that on 4/5, russian sources actually wrote that they are already controlling the war zone, and i didn’t know if i should trust their sources and people, so it was simply decided by our armed forces, they decided not to don't defend the remnants of this mess. well, frankly speaking. from the point of view of the city, what to defend is left between. look now at an eloquent example from recent ones. probably because of the destruction that the ukrainian armed forces are pushing from the direction of kharkiv from the north

and in the eastern direction, ah, russian troops and look at what is left there. that is, we see that the same thing happened near kyiv, for example, the village of moschun or others. look at what remained after the retreat of the russian troops, that is, destroyed houses, destroyed infrastructure in luhansk region, probably for a week or two. they are actively using various types of weapons and rockets, bomb strikes and artillery are created reactive, so it is far from easy, and i think that this is a solution to the justification of this point of view, that first of all, we must protect the lives and health of our soldiers, this the second priority is if there are previously fortified positions that are known, of course, they must be retreated; the third is if it is a tactical retreat that leads to aligning the front line in a different direction and preventing russian troops from breaking through to the rear, which is the most important thing, this is also justified. fourthly

, i think that the most important thing is what we are seeing now . here is this maneuvering defense that justifies itself because, well, let's see in 10 days how actively offensive actions are going on in the east. the enemy has achieved any significant success, it is not necessary although they do not advance quite actively they try, they storm but they are repulsed and they do not succeed, they did not break through strategically beyond periwinkle, they cannot go to attack the slavs directly from kramatorsk, they break through in the direction of lima will sviatohirsk , of course, is also very difficult there, but our forces are restraining everywhere, that is, no one has fallen, i think that the rashists did not expect this, they frankly expected that they would fall and leave and that's it will leave and they will be the kings of ruins. so this is the way it is now, the war of attrition has gone, well, to a certain extent,

yes, to a certain extent, and if you listen now , even to the intercepts published by the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense or our security service, you can clearly hear how disappointed and demoralized the russians are the military who talk about the fact that the war in chechnya is worse than the war there, uh, they talk about the fact that they thought it would end sooner, frankly, they did not expect it. they thought that they might appoint dvornikov to lead these processes by the commander and there will be some real successes there, breakthroughs well, nothing will change - it cannot be changed, the old soviet theme, which is used by the russian army, will change radically due to the change of the commander there, who also came out of this very corrupt system, now it is war, first of all, artillery. i understand that, well, less contact battles, after all, there is more artillery. and why do our

military and the ministry of defense and the command talk so much about the fact that we need exactly artillery weapons of shock offensive well, because we understand that if we receive more western-style weapons, such as we will already receive mm3-7 km-77, and then we are talking about the m270 . caesar self- propelled gun installations are also modern, well, let's see how the germans will react when we get them. well, there with the dutch. they have to put 2,000 self-propelled guns in 2000, this is the name of the model, it's not 2,000 howitzers . it evens out and it will significantly change the situation, it is already changing why because firstly, artillery, more precisely shells, which were warned that excaliburs would not be

supplied, but they are supplied . it can hit up to 50 km, and there are russian analogs, say , which are used in the city of s or pions. they don’t fly to such a distance. they also have some controlled krasnodar or something like that, but it’s not that, it’s less, still more effective, although all the howitzers are not self-propelled, which i voiced, they need traction, but they are accurate, uh, projectiles are extremely powerful, uh, they go to them. counter batteries are gifts. in addition to all this , drones are used, unmanned aerial vehicles that adjust fire from the air, and the same drones that began to be delivered and are already in use switch blades, yes, kamikaze are known, we are waiting for more phoenixes , phoenixes - this is a completely unique development made specifically for our needs, there is even no

information about it on the website if you look at the manufacturer's company. therefore, all this is gradually arriving and it everything, i think, will change the situation, and of course , the tasks that stand now are to fight back and then go into a counteroffensive. well, that is, how can we react to the fact that it is possible for another month or two, maybe even three, anyway, the ukrainian army will retreat in some places. normally, you have to understand that well look at the tasks that should be set, we have to stand, but i understand that it may be difficult for someone to stand and capture a settlement when you are being attacked and attacked, and you have the opportunity to retreat a few kilometers to better fortified positions and repel the attack from there. then go into counter-offensive actions successfully and knock out the enemy from there. it seems to me that the answer is obvious: firstly, protecting the lives of our soldiers is key, and secondly, if such a tactical retreat in the future will make it possible to

achieve what i said, effective counter-offensive actions need to be done. and that's fine. regarding this, i am far from thinking that someone is leaving forever and is forever ready to leave some positions er absolutely not a certain time, when our ereshites approached, but went deeper, then retreated a little further, then advanced in a different direction. that is, you have to understand that the war is extremely active , intense, and this is not now a classical war. when you stand opposite each other, it is constantly the situation is changing, it is dynamic, that is why i think that tragedies, that is, there is definitely no need to do anything about it, gradually the losses of the russians will only increase. with long-range artillery, does this mean that at some point they will not be able to take the

positions they have now? well, of course, of course , look. they couldn't hold the north -east of kharkov, although it would seem that they had been there for several weeks, occupying these settlements temporarily and they should have positions, they should have brought ammunition , that is, everything is fine, but practice has shown that they even found some of these units for rotation. that is , what does this indicate, this indicates that there was who will replace all the units thrown into battle in fact and there are even no reserves, i.e. now they have everything they have that is combat-ready, what they have collected, they abandon the battle and therefore of course suffer losses, demoralization is going on, they are losing equipment, the equipment is mostly being lost. it is either modernized or new tanks or types of weapons t-90 are modernized and 80 and 72 are older but also modernized with the m badge. therefore, uh, now

they will try to throw older equipment that is in warehouses and arsenals into it, and they still have a lot of it, it must be admitted that not all of it will go, but it is and that this will mean that it will become more vulnerable, especially to those types of weapons that are uh, and right there, by the way, it is interesting that, you know, sometimes you get the impression that, for example, those zzhevelinas, they are intended to be the most effective image of such tanks as the t-72 or t -80 taking into account where they end up and how they then act, so they will continue and will look for some reserves in technology and he is like the grads that were like that in the 70s