as they say , there is a reserve on the territory of russia in the belgorod region, i don’t know, maybe they already have 20% of them, we will already defeat such a combat-capable group. so, we have to take it somewhere if, and further, if we move away from the fact that the goal is to continue the war and if we we are repulsed by the fact that we fight back even more because we have even more opportunities thanks to weapons, we need to get replenishment somewhere, and therefore the question becomes how to do it they are trying now syria is looking there and they will be looking i'm sure, but then what to do, so of course the question may arise, to one degree or another, to carry out some kind of mobilization, the question is, if we announce a general election, well, this may cause certain socio-economic prospects, instability, not immediately, not immediately, not in the first two weeks. maybe, but after a few weeks. yes, there may be certain consequences and this is also for them. let's say it's a challenge from another side. it 's just that people are mobile and even people who live in big cities don't die now and almost don't die

. but moscow and st. petersburg found each other with with a military ticket from st. petersburg for everything, for all the time that they were captured there or there tudova, that is, if every day they will come there 100-200 blood clots, for example, to st. petersburg, then everyone immediately knows in the area that they brought usually and this and this is not and you can't hide it, and what's more, you won't collect that much from there, because if there, for example, dagestanis or among the buryats, they all go to the army simply in order to receive at least some kind of salary because there is no more work and they just go knowingly sign a contract, then there such a minority, and this may cause in the future, on the other hand, and i do not think that it is a good way out from the point of view of keeping power for putin and all of this terrible machine that he has constructed, totalitarian. to exit this war, he has driven himself into such a trap that he must exit the war now it's bad for him to quit the mobilization, it's also bad for him, there's no good way

out well, of course he thinks and continues to insist and not believe that they can lose, he really doesn't believe, i think he really doesn't believe even maybe owning the situation he's almost having a holiday i'm sure that well, it's already at the level of such stubborn stupidity, there's no other way to describe it, well, again, he probably doesn't feel sorry for those people who die here, but i have a question, it's obvious that he underestimated ukrainians, underestimated ukraine, and now he is paying for it. but does he also underestimate the western world and nato and its readiness to respond in the same way? and since we know that their concepts have the possibility of escalation, the escalation of nuclear weapons, that is, how not, how about this question that still really bothers everyone that will if he will still use nuclear weapons, are there any advantages for putin in this way, what can he gain from this? well, i don't think that this will mean at least

any advantages. or in another form, there will be a reaction and it is very extraordinary. let 's say this is a shaky construction. it is clear that in the long run this may lead to serious consequences, but not to a world war, but i do not know whether it is nuclear weapons. i have the impression from my observations that they want to provoke nato in one way or another, they want, you understand, when statements are made, however, nato stoltenberg or president biden, they come out and say that we do not want to directly participate in the war, we will help ukraine, but we will not be, they are disappointed why because the announcement stage is the stage of pouring out hatred , aggression on he passed ukraine, this page is turned over, now what are they saying, they are saying that nato is here uhu and they are waiting, yes, let's give more nato, they already seem to be delaying, i say there, american mercenaries are fighting there, from somewhere else there planes already they say f-22 and well, i wish

we had such planes in fact, well, we do n’t have such planes, and if there were p-22s, then there probably wouldn’t be any russian planes here. by the way, look at what they have . -e su-30 su-34 su-35 and we preserved our aircraft fleet and we also shot down with this aircraft their planes which are faster, which are more maneuverable and which were better armed, better of course and we still managed to deal with them for two minutes, we still have e- e snake pillow turns into a new black fighter the key point is whether ukraine is successfully receiving well, it is key from the point of view that we see, first of all, the adjustment of fire. yes, russia is trying to create a mini-base there, place there the means of radio-electronic warfare, e . - first , to create obstacles for our drones, because it would be significant, and secondly, from there,

try to adjust the fire that the planes, uh, that are attacking odessa or odesa region, or trying to do so, what we saw is important there was an unlucky island there for the russians after all since she sent them from there. as we know , there was no need to go there because the landing party destroyed their military helicopter and destroyed the warehouse they had located there and the anti-aircraft defense system tor. well, no. good luck, but we see that in the black sea, you see how they work, and it would seem that russia has more than 40 warships, several submarines, well, it would seem that so many weapons should dominate. how helpless does the russian army seem to be? well, we know from hakakura and bushido that you can never underestimate

the enemy, our enemy, what he has is the willingness to die on the most ridiculous order, and what else from mannerheim, too. i repeat in the broadcasts of this building when they were holding hands and without weapons running under machine gun fire stefany what we are now seeing somewhere and carefully i think very often yes of course and in other directions our intelligence has repeatedly talked about how these unhappy they threw a horde of mobilized annexed territories and they didn't know where they were going, they were just thrown to carry out the development by fighting, that is, they ran . we will have even more weapons, so , well, what will be more black soil in the end of the ukrainian earth in the east, well, where will we go ?

er, we will continue, er, tell me, how are we, we will immediately introduce the next guest, good. and our next guest joins us on skype and on the internet, and this is yaroslav hrytsak - ukrainian scientist , historian, publicist, doctor of historical sciences, professor of the ukrainian catholic university, director of the institute of historical studies of the ivan franko national university of lviv, long realities, but they are mutually worth it mr. yaroslav mr. yaroslavovych yesterday we showed the following quite a unique video, we had it here, it was your, er, namesake yaroslav kenzor, who has the right, a fantastic archive, he is from the 80s, all of the films, he is so real, you can say, er, the chronicler of the modern ukrainian modern state, and he has something very interesting the moment when in the 90th year,

not the president came to kyiv, but only the chairman of the verkhovna rada or the supreme soviet of the rsfsr, and yeltsin in the river, and he repeatedly repeated the same theses to the people, first under the verkhovna rada and then already in the ukrainian verkhovna rada we finally understood who he is realism is very bad, russia will never be imperialism again, engage in these land acquisitions, all this did not bring us anything good, we congratulate the ukrainian people on the way to independence and so on . moscow, after they just shot their parliament and they open a monument to yaroslav the wise in moscow, where yeltsin is speaking, the president of the russian federation says that this is a monument to our great russian prince who showed us an example of the collection of land that we must now follow him well, they followed, they already began to follow from transnistria in 1992,

and just now, there is a security forum going on in parallel, where she spoke with eneplb, literally. i was listening to her live right now and she said a very good phrase that we do not believe in determinism, we do not believe that there is some genetic, genetic, hereditary , innate ability of the russians to be imperialists, but nevertheless we see that every time literally in two or three years they return to this land gathering of yours, and you are drawn to someone else's culture and appropriation- and self- appropriation, what what to do with that, what the russian historian oleksandr yanov, a native of odessa, called the russian pendulum. he said that in russia, of course, there were attempts to normalize russia, you know, make some reforms it is a normal european state, and this attempt was very much a problem. these attempts did not last very long, and

after that came an even more terrible and severe reaction to the authoritarian regimes. you know, as one of the ukrainian philosophers said, and now little is known, that the history of russia is like this, you know, endless madness with short light intervals, that's the thing about putin, about yeltsin, eggs on a funny face, everyone knows it, you know, he can say anything in any circumstances only to be liked here, but if you abstract from his personality, it is very important because we must understand that maybe the soviet union was called russia, ukraine only followed him because russia left the soviet union and this was the result whether or not i accompanied the struggle between the yeltsins and gorbachev, the egg would never have become president if he had not torn russia out of the soviet union, there was a

struggle between the figure as the president of russia and gorbachev, the president of the soviet union, this is very important, because it would have been nothing, but this is what i want to say. the main thing if we now know about yeltsin's plans in the middle of the 101st year, then their strategy for ukraine was very simple to let ukraine leave. but why leave because they firmly believed that ukraine was not a viable nation this state will not be able to resist for a long time the big failure of ukraine and ukraine will come back only on its knees already and then russia can dictate its conditions , that is, everything that putin did. sorry, how he said it . should return to his family ah-ah-ah does this mean that all this means that it was this was the story of two two leaders here there is a

factor of the russian people themselves i don't know how many people it is but an adequate but adequate definition of something and so when we talk about russia nevertheless, the russian nation, which was formed by no one until the end, because the mother is what you know, and the ethnic group of youth has political rights, you know this very well when jesus told professor roman shpolyuk from the pumpkin aesthete and this was a very huge announcement . see what was the paradox of the soviet station in the soviet instance, there were 15 balls of parties, but there should have been 16, because one such ka- the cpsu is one and plus 15 republics, there were 15, which was not, and there were 15 people who spoke russian, who did not speak russian, what happened, russia was expanded in the soviet union or in the empire, russia did not become a nation, it became an empire. and in fact, this is an attempt to transition from an empire into a nation in russia, as it tries,

but it is never completed. i understand that the return to the empire is ending , but actually this year, not a nation, it cannot emancipate itself, free itself from under that, you know. more or less modern, for example, britain, then we understand that there is basically a british nation with its powerful culture, folklore is everything . russians, but i really liked one of your thoughts, which you seem to have in your last book. you also mention that all ukrainians who today call themselves ukrainians are not ukrainians, relatively speaking from grandfather, great-grandfather . consciously became a ukrainian and gave up some identity there was a very excellent example from the

russian trinity, you understand that ukraine is a very complex and very expensive construct and it was becoming very difficult and i am convinced that there is someone in our family who was the first to call himself ukrainian or ukrainian, you know this it is possible for someone who has a family history to do this very easily, but it is very important to better understand the concept of the nation, because the nation implies political freedom, you cannot be a subject and be a member of the nation and even be citizens, members of russia, which has never been successful, which practically had to be modernized, because we now, this means that the limitation of the state is the emergence of civil society, the emergence of the constitution of the legal state, you know this, remembering that the nation means the unification of the citizens of the citizens of russia - this is when it was not possible, and precisely because of it is that all these laws do not so easily return to yesterday's imperial project, mr. yaroslav. we

say that most european nations were formed in one way or another in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and we understand that just now too there is a process, you also say about it that when in the east, for example, in ukraine, it is possible for someone to call themselves a ukrainian in the same way. for the first time, realizing that this is not russia, for example, or there is not a soviet person there, and in this sense, i have two questions: first, how is it possible in the 21st century the globalized century is to form a nation that would actually be an imagined community that everyone would understand and that would have some common cultural markers so that it would be more than a set there we are there for all the good against all the bad and that is to say that this there was this one, it was exactly identification - identification, and on the other hand - it's a uh question well, okay, now we all rallied because we rallied against, we rallied against putin, we rallied against yanukovych, at one time, against kuchma, and so on, we all managed to unite but i know this war

will end and there will be a question again: we defended independence and why did we defend this independence, what kind of ukraine should it be, these are two different two separate questions, if we are related to each other, look, i want to say such a thesis, i have several of them once said but it is a sin to repeat, national formation never has an end, you can’t sing the nation once and calling it, you can say it like a person on a bicycle, then pedaling on the back, if you ask to drink pedals, we are a nation falling apart because this construction has nourishment, you know, the repair of the imagination, new ones, that’s all another, but what is very important, those nations that have bicycles because they are in the 19th century , they did not send bicycles, we have not seen them now, it is very important. that is, we are now living in the 19th century, all the nations, which are the nations of the 19th century, let me tell you the question why the rosyna nation in transcarpathia failed because it wanted to be built too late. you know, until the 20th century, in the sense that

these models of the 19th century. i have no doubt here. to change something , to update something, you know. something is often forgotten, this is the norm, this is what we now talk about everyone, about everyone else, the gate, let's take any nation, it's the same process, but it's very important that for me it's not an end in itself, it's a tool, you know i have it we sit on bicycles, what do you do to drink pedals to give someone full value in terms of pleasure, as well as this tool? world, you know what i think, i'm sorry, they can fantasize a little, you know, i can't right now about russia and russia, this is the question of what i see, what i see in ukraine is the completion of these political transformations of political reforms

the key of which is the creation of a system of independent courts, this is for me a needle in the haystack, breaking it, which we can finally come to the other side, to another group, you know. that is very important. if this happens, my prediction is that ukraine will turn into an eastern european tiger. ate up the potential according to the fact that her history with her is a victory, which is more subjectivity. it has a huge potential in this large space, more than berlin, moscow, the black sea and the baltic sea, it will be a state, only poland can with it makes no sense to compare it, you know, because then it turns into the economic success of economic unions, which means that many other things, wealth, the army, solutions to security issues, and so on, and then what is very important. then ukraine the level of subjectivity is so high that it begins to dictate the

rules of the game in this space and not only in this space, but that it also begins to be an active participant in the formation of a new security system in europe in the whole world let's see it, i bought it because i knew it. forgive myself for such a culture of ukraine, the war said that the participant was a catastrophe, a terrible catastrophe, but hey. after the decision , there was because the first war accelerates the process, which under normal conditions takes 25 years, and here in two or three months they can be passed and besides the fact that the war makes the reaction of this decision possible maybe you are too young to remember it but maybe you remember you bearding a beautiful coupe in my house but 20 years ago they sold what commissions said that ukraine never will be members of the european community, where are you going now? in the 14th year, we talked about the plan of the marshal of ukraine. so he was laughing now, all the mountains put our

ukraine in the impossibility. i was just starting to gradually work in the lviv newspaper. he said that in 50 years, somewhere in 50 years, ukraine will be in the european union. it seemed to me that it was complete. well, i don't know , i didn't want to put up with it, but in the end. so polovy, well, you understand, but a month, but a month of war . it will happen in five or 10 years, yes, it is a fantastic catalyst for all events. but actually, when we talk about michuk, he says that in the xxi century, the main advantage will be the country of the nation - this is actually trust within and presence of educated citizens and what is to assume that ukrainians are more or less educated although i think that there is a big issue here, there is an issue regarding education, but we will leave it to the side. and i question is definitely a problem with trust a-a and here i think that this issue helps the nation precisely culturally solve because everyone, within the boundaries of this imagined community,

everyone trusts each other, well, at least in some basic things, and here i have a question. to recognize, for example, not in russian, as, for example, eastern ukrainian, or about how we should make a propia, for example, of the soviet union, how to incorporate it into the new ukrainian identity of the show, do you think about it, or are these things that can sing or in in the future, ukraine will indeed have a monument to brezhnev and bandera somewhere nearby on the same street and everything will be okay. well, of course, it will surprise you if it turns out to be so fun. but it was an ideal option, but we can get that option. well, we will not see such options. i would like to give an example that in london there is a monument to charles the first, when it was removed, it is considered a firm of british history, but these are bad times, but it is still very important for a country

that has a very strong democracy, which is one of the of the largest economies in the world, you know, and has stability, that is, for me, you know, these issues can be discussed, accept it, i don’t accept it. it is important that you discuss on a full stomach a prosperous country where the issue of security has been resolved, you know , therefore, for me, once again, i say that the primary issue is the completion of political reforms about what i have already said, i have the impression and this is again this uh comes out of history we are very different we are very different we are very regionally divided like this everyone else knows and this well on the one hand there may be a disadvantage with on the other hand, ours is very difficult because under such conditions it is difficult for us to have lukashenka and putin in the scenario because we are so much less likely to compromise, compromises are the fault and the fault of democracy. my impression is that we knew how to argue about something. i think that to our children and grandchildren , these are disputes, the distance, i just want our children,

well, you argue in other circumstances, we argue, we are better, the truth, maps of security, wealth, yaroslav, we see that now in russia they are simply rewriting textbooks, such a message is up to 15% texts are generally being reworked in order to reduce the mention of ukraine or any ukrainian subjectivity in general, here is a statement by some member of the state duma , i don't know how influential, about banning the use of the word ukraine and ukrainian at all, and on the other hand, well, we also sometimes hear such things votes there, well, at the level of that, i don’t know any hypothetical ideas that let’s officially rename russia to muscovy, well, in principle, we don’t call germans deutschland, but germany. by the russians, what should it be anyway? who says that there is a policy of some kind of resortment

here , something else there? is it the other way around? to the point that there is a lot of pushkin, a lot of old ones. it seems to me that narratives remain in history textbooks in the same way. that is, this was a very soviet and russian view of history, in principle, on its presentation, especially in school. it seems to me that everything is simple, but the big problem remains after all, look, i, uh, i don’t see the balsam monument in ukraine, maybe it exists, but i haven’t seen it. it is present, although balzac. it has something to do with ukraine. there was great love here with ukraine, so this is an example. i just understand why the memory monuments of one culture must be present everywhere. monuments of other cultures are absent at all. what do i have from german culture? where did i remember? if you remember the monument, the monument to pushkin, then why is there no monument to goethe? you understand this, you know . he says about i am talking about the ukrainian monument parity, that is, my question, because i am, the answer is very

simple, we have to remove monuments to mickiewicz, we know such monuments, send pushkin to the place where he belongs, this place on the bookshelf , period, where byron is, where shakespeare is, everyone else knows this very well it is important i don't see it works why should there be a monument from one culture to dominate in twos in this not our culture to have these these tsits - in this country it is even more so during and after the war when russian culture great russian culture without without without indisputably weighted direct and from that leads leads to great russia and becomes an instrument of aggression against against ukraine, i heard you, well, thank you very much, yaroslav hrytsak was with us on the live air and we are moving on, let's move on, dear friends, i want to see how many of us are viewers at the moment, if you give me one one second opportunity , so we have it, we have it, we have it, we have it, we have it,

we have more than 5,000 people watching us on youtube, it’s nice on one broadcast, now i’ll watch the second broadcast , and on the second one, probably on the second one, there are fewer people watching us today, that’s all 3,000 i. well, nothing 8000 okay, well, let's move on, uh, i'm looking at what's there, were there any questions, any comments, i don't see, for sure, we have one, the channel just started up. okay, friends, let's move on. and on to us to us to us to us to us to us to us we also have alveda from medalivsk, a political scientist, an expert on the development of donbass, in particular, litovsky, ah , and please do we have our e-e expert on the phone? you understand that, and i do. aha. super. and i understand that that you are in odessa right now, okay? what is the

purpose of your visit? odesa will become an important region. and which are important for ukraine as a state and lithuania is very strong in supporting ukraine in all aspects and with everything . we discussed your police questions what concerns internal security? and how did we have other meetings in kyiv where we talked about economic security? and now, indeed , in odessa, all these meetings will be continued, and they will continue

. this is understandable. that is, i a-a and earlier er-e when the war only started er-e i did not go anywhere and i was in the region of the sea of ​​azov a-a spent the last 5-6 years very much a-a in mariupol a but also in the whole region of berdyansk and it also happened that i am the last month войны а пробиолог окпупированном э-э berdyansk so that for me this is a situation a-a as for the russian military aggression, it is familiar and even sometimes familiar inside if we have british experience , what kind of experience was it? did you see my video , all these steps of the occupation a- and berdyansk a-a that’s how it all started how your a-a how the

civil society of ukraine resisted it a-a what steps did a-a russian occupation forces take but i left somewhere in my opinion on march 21 and just the day before that how was he introduced to the city clearly indicated and the so-called mayor of berdyansk - with occupation forces, i saw how your politicians did not agree to cooperate with the military occupation regions and actually left on the eve of ukraine's attack on berdyansk port and sunk it е российские военный корпаль that is, you see the situation that i would, if it was like that, um, how can i say that, it's not such a tough one, and this face of the occupation

somewhere for a month, probably. - eh occupations but already when berdyanskaya passed through zaporozhye, he saw how these a functions, uh, that's what they called the humanitarian corridor, and he drove through these checkpoints himself, and really, uh, this whole understanding, and really, uh, well, it was very important to understand this, and the internal and the situation as for the artistic occupation, that is, the capital-occupation looks like, well, in the territories that fell under the russian occupation control, you actually devoted many years to mariupol, in particular, to its reformation and reconstruction, and with which you are now with feelings, look at the pictures with a report, well , very, very, very complex, these are the feelings of feelings, i really am nika