occupation but already when i passed by berdyansk in zaporozhye, i saw how these a functions, uh, that’s what the comment corridors were called, and i drove through these checkpoints myself, and really, uh, this whole understanding, and really, uh, it was very important to understand this and internal and the situation what concerns the russian occupation, that is, how does it look, well, in the territory of which, uh, came under russian control and occupation, you actually devoted many years to mariupol, in particular, to its reform and reconstruction, and with whom now with your feelings, you look at the pictures with a report, well , very, very, very complicated, these are the feelings of feelings, i really can’t understand why a-a the international community a-a could not find

a way to a-a do a normal evacuation, they are such a me i would have said chaotic evacuation and under shelling. how is this happening in all of donbass? and not only from mariupol? it seems to me that i myself said and still say that, for example, such proposals as turkey put forward. and that the ships would the ships would have gone in and taken away these people who now stood up and not only caught them. and in general, the mariupol couple are still hiding because they do not want to appear in the eyes of these occupation regions, who then issue some the resolution goes on. it’s like a nation during the time of nazi germany , theosfaltsy, and so on. and that is, it really seems to me that it is necessary to apply maximum force to this in order to help those people

who are there and that the evacuation takes place through filtration camps. ah ah russia and the so-called dpr or lpr, and directly to the territory of ukraine or, if by ship, then immediately to the territory of the european states, who cares about the city itself, but it is scary to see how the city is being destroyed, in which there is so much time and how many people are peaceful. people died, and as you have already noticed, during these two months, more people died in mariupol than during the fascist occupation, that is, it is simply incomprehensible to anyone. what international public relations, and i would say that international mediation is very slow, and

what is happening, what about humanitarian aid, and the people who are there, it is a terrible situation , and there are a lot of people, and russia simply takes its own somewhere to the far east, and it also reminds us of stalin's policy. we remember how the crimean tatars were deported, that is, a whole people with their own from their own land, and there were plans to withdraw western ukraine, in fact, the entire population, which were not implemented, fortunately, there were a lot of them, in particular, and lithuanians who ended up in siberia and this is also amazing. how do all these practices return to russia ? yes, you and this practice was not only steel, but also during hitler’s and his times, hitler’s occupation . tell me to work in order for the military-industrial

complex of germany to work, yes, and stalin, you organized deportations, because in our eyes, these regimes are stalinist, hitlerian, soviet, german, fascist, now, russian , fascist, and they really are they are putin's everything is very, very similar, and it is strange to many that in the 20th century, everything is alive, and frankly, when tomorrow it will be like it again, when the victory will be. how could it be that the sto passed after the victory in hitler's er germany and hitler's fascism and russian fascism arose and putinism arose at the hands of that man whose family itself had already suffered during the leningrad

blockades and this is the german fascists, but now they are setting up the same blockade in mariupol, that is, there is a lot really very strange, but probably these dictatorial and autocratic regimes are somehow starting to copy each other, and it is a very terrible problem that this regime is putin's regime and he came to the territory of ukraine and organized that terrible aggression, eh, it begins on february 24. well, of course, before that, there was a hybrid war, eh , for eight years. much, much scarier, this color reminds me of the second world war in terms of its purpose, the scope, and the real victims, which is getting bigger and bigger now, mr. alice, it’s no secret that

in the late 80s and early 90s -x lithuania was a real model for ukraine, that is, the ukrainian national movement, actually even the very name people's movement was actually modeled after the lithuanian union, so it is also translated as circle and and and and actually then i er i i so i do n't remember it well because i was still quite small although i i even participated as an observer in the elections of chornovil in 1991, however. i remember that they said that there were many lithuanians, in particular. well, first of all, even lviv newspapers were printed there, for example, and it seems that the first newspaper published by serhii was already the late kyiv journalist was also not printed in vilnius, and these editions were transferred here by train, and then the lithuanians said that you are very similar to us .

so, we went in complicated circles a little bit for 30 years and what do you think we missed then and now do you see, let's say, qualitative changes that will allow us very quickly, but you just talked with yaroslav hrytsyk, a ukrainian such a thinker, a public intellectual. i don't i know this term. i like it, after all, who said that after the war, ukraine should become such an eastern european economic tiger. do you see the prerequisites for this, or are they at the beginning of the question in the top ten when they asked me? because i was one of the founders, namely a young man in this situational group, when the young people sent all our etymical writers, and in order for this site to be created, i was one of these 3-4 of these young people, and then it already happened that i went in lviv, he shot himself with the scumbag ukrainian democrats when the

movement was not yet there, and we were talking about the fact that maybe you will create something similar, and how, er, we have the izkatevsky people's front, and then all this developed. yes that ukraine is very close to me, and even during those times and then, relations were born with the democratic forces, and then they asked themselves many times the question: why was ukraine unable to go as far along the same path as the movement of the baltic countries, and perhaps one answer is the same ? a-a lithuania had a period of e-e independence a-a 20 years e-e before the first and second world war this period of independence very much asked about our feelings and not dependence and everything . so on, and so on, and so on, and ukraine

lacked this kind of national identity, that is, there were dissidents somewhere who felt it, and cultural intellectuals somewhere else. and what happened now - this is of course a very big tragedy, but unfortunately it sometimes happens that what i see is true. that is, i also saw what was, uh, when the orange revolution was, because there was a lot of support for the test on the relationship with viktor yushchenko his surroundings a-a then that's euro maidan because i was there when euromaidan was, that is, the first days he started as a student, which all came out. but even euromaidan didn't give such a printed push. how is it war, that is, and ukraine is all paid off. i now see this, then it was really big money млиннные очень большое поднятие, but i had to raise it. how after that, then sleep a little, then again rise 5 sparks, and now

, this is such a unity of light, if on this united wave, now ukraine will get it. invitation as for membership in the european union, i wouldn't, er, also not discard the existence of the possibility and er, the member was notified because now the nato generals say that the ukrainian army is now acting in general . western countries already have something to learn from this, god forbid, that victory would have come sooner, but in fact ukraine, and from this war, there will already be another one united with a strong national dog, all the same, i think it would have been, but it would not have been such problems that were k unfortunately, even after the revolution,

what did they call us? at the front, but also all the people who are in ukraine of different professions, but who can, and this is very beautiful, although of course we see all these victims, but we know about it, but ukraine as a country remains very, very strong, and this is probably just one time what scares putin's russia the most and how much ukraine is becoming a new country to a certain extent with a new one. maybe even the identity, we all understand that ukraine is still being formed, that's what we just talked about again with mr. yaroslav the historian and uh, i have a question, you mentioned the grand duchy of lithuania ah well, how many years ago was 12 years ago? it was about 600 years ago. the battle of grunwald. i know what it is. i know that it was

very much celebrated at the state level in poland, and as far as i know in lithuania, it is also an important date, but it was simply not noticed. in to ukraine, which also took part in this glorious battle, and this is such a certain paradox. that is, we remember his kievan rus, which is actually a semi-mythical entity, and by the way, well, i will now start writing comments now, viewers that i am undermining the sacred are being attempted here but but but we are actually the grand duchy of lithuania, it remains a kind of white spot, that’s why we have a semi-mythical and completely privatized by russia kyivan rus and then immediately some kind of russian empire there and a little cossack country where statehood is not in your opinion, how important is the memory of the grand duchy of lithuania, how important is it for historical memory, for example , identity in lithuania

? was the one who protected from the mongolian yoke of the tatars and that's why there was no such thing in kiev in kievan rus' and what was this terrible, for example, in other slavic lands, or what is really true? well, these are the witnesses of lutsk, for example, the castle oh, and toth most certainly in kyiv and in kherson, that is, there are a lot of places where the lithuanian easter is really celebrated. and for ukrainians a-a that is and when ukraine will understand e-e this same thing i.e. it will take as e-e a part of its e-e history e-e part of its identity part of its construction

a-a state a-e these e this historical connection will be even more stupid on the part of lithuania очень глубокие, that is, it is possible to look at the relationship between people, and it is possible to look at the relationship between the state. i speak to all of your politicians, political scientists, and experts, regardless of who the president or prime minister will be in lithuania. and this is what we see constantly and this is how it always is . indeed, there are multi-players, and where probably not only lithuania, ukraine, but also lithuania, poland, ukraine , or the lublin triangle, there are other

initiatives, and indeed, etymological initiatives also bring ukraine very close to europe, and i think that then it's not only history, but the rest of the economy and politics where politics and security become very important, thank you very much for this conversation alveder from medalskaya medalinsky sbu is on the air, e.e. lithuanian is a political expert e. who has been for many years by the way he lives in ukraine, he devoted a lot to the modernization of the reconstruction of donbas, and now he is in odessa, he missed her in odessa, and now we have the next guest right away . this is taras kremin, the ukrainian language ombudsman, the commissioner of the verkhovna rada and the protection of the state language, taras. ah-ah-ah-ah mr. taras, well, first of all , let's start with the fact that

the russians are actually conducting such a policy in the temporarily occupied territories. these are your words, how terrible is the situation there, we all saw this first thing they did now in mariupol, more or less establishing control over the city, they changed the sign of mariupol to that with the russian one, and that's it, so i understand that what is the key, the key question for the occupiers, what are the lessons for this, for this, and for us yes, of course. the policy of lingocide is a traditional behavior not only in russia today, but also in russia during the period of the soviet union. and of course, in the period before the revolution, we do not forget promsky, some volyn circular, e.e., the policy of destroying the ukrainian intelligentsia, the post-war famine persecution, dissidence, non-conformism - these are all

components of one and the same policy, the politics of laziness or the persecution of people is a common feature and what we have been seeing since the 14th year, we have recorded this, including during the rebroadcast of our last year's annual report and report of our and special report which we did what in february of the 21st year we talked about the terrible things that are happening on the territory of crimea, on the territory of parts of the occupied donetsk luhansk regions, and we made this material public and sent it to the addresses of international organizations, and what we are recording today is the continuation of this policy, when ukrainian citizens are subjected to oppression, when teachers of the ukrainian language and literature are kidnapped, when an unknown group of school directors who do not agree with the restoration of the educational process in the occupied territories, say melitopol or berdyansk, are taken away, but in at the same time, i want to say that

not only people are suffering, the entire infrastructure is suffering, the entire civilized world is suffering from what is not a whip, but from this horde. genocide, which was condemned by the leading parliamentarians , that is, and i expect that the continuation of this line, which was initiated by estonia, which is continued by many other parliaments of our reliable allies and partners, will have its logical continuation in terms of the meeting of the international criminal court sooner or later we will win and i believe that this victory will be in the near future, but everyone who is involved in linguicide, the genocide of the ukrainian people, everyone who was personally in buch in irpen and has the blood of ukrainian citizens on their hands must suffer the most severe punishment, sir, now , er, i myself have examples of acquaintances, and i am sure many of them are people who before the war spoke er, russian, in particular, from kyiv

, who from the first days of the war decided to switch to ukrainian together with their children, well, that is these are such conscious decisions, well, in your opinion, are they, are they such decisions forever, firstly and secondly, is it important, is it really important for ukraine, the ukrainian language today, when ukraine was united , and russian-speaking and ukrainian-speaking, well, in general i do not know russian-speaking is a word, the late chornovil, er , this term itself was very strongly criticized. he emphasized that it is very similar to the volksdoy or hitler , who later justified his aggressions. is it relevant for us? i still don't know the words of eamon de valera and the first prime minister of ireland, who said that it would be better for ireland not to be

independent than to not speak irish, i would i would probably remember vyacheslav maksimyvych chornovol as one of those who was involved in the dissident movement in ukraine, who published the ukrainian herald, which was distributed throughout europe and the whole world, he would certainly remember the voice of america and, in the end, the trial that took place in vyacheslav chornovol, because including there was also vasyl stus, whose book is being burned by orcs in the occupied territories, i would of course also mention vasyl holoborodek, among the candidates for the nobel prize, i would of course also mention ivan svetlychnyi, i would also mention many others people who formed the ukrainian background and they first of all raised the issue of the revival of the ukrainian language in the 1960s. these were the times when the ukrainian language was scarce even in kyiv

. the fact that today ukrainians are returning to themselves, the fact that they are interested in history, they are very well aware of the great risks that occupation by the russians carries, the fact that they are mastering the ukrainian language, and we can see this in the growth of the network free courses on the study of the ukrainian language, what is truly people's diplomacy and the people's program for the development of the planning of the ukrainian language. today, it actually replaced the state one. when today one will be a citizen, it is respectable, it is prestigious, it is noble, when people rush to ukraine from all corners of the world, and today's visit of the first lady of the united states of america and soloists youtube spoke today in front of a citizen of ukraine in the subway, these and many other examples demonstrate high love, respect and respect for the ukrainian nation and

this is our merit and this is our struggle - this is what is called a return to our roots. including the culture and traditions of the country, and let's not forget that ukraine, in terms of the level of education and development of education, we will remember the college . was one of the most outstanding philosophers and thinkers of mankind and its three hundredth anniversary is an event of a planetary scale, so we this many other things just bring us closer to the awareness to the roots to the understanding that we are a great people a great nation with a rich culture and traditions and extremely rich

and beautiful language and the fact that today in kyiv and in my native mykolaiv there are many others. published in the ukrainian language today in search of these many other things just say that we are returning and we have returned to our roots, the only thing that needs to be done now is to create a better opportunity for the improvement of university education so that the ukrainian language really becomes more and in our schools, so that the question of associated with the languages ​​of the national minorities of indigenous peoples, it never acquired a political character, and everything that forms the basis of our great nation, it was fully and in every way supported by the state therefore, this year i would like us to really be able to receive state support for the development of the ukrainian

language, ukrainian culture, ukrainian spirituality, and the issue of restoring ukraine, including the humanitarian concert, which is extremely important and powerful for us, a very short question, ukraine will become completely ukrainian-speaking, of course it is already ukrainian-speaking more than 80% of ukraine made such a conclusion for themselves, and this trend is constantly growing, and i want to believe that ukrainian-speaking europe will become , because of the very insistence, we joined the of the european federation of national language institutions. and this is one of the big steps of ukraine's approach to the eu. as soon as ukraine becomes a member of the eu, it will mean that the ukrainian language will be the official language of the european community. will help in what is called the popularization of the ukrainian language in the world. look at the 20 million representatives of world

ukrainians. this is an extremely powerful force that in every way helps and contributes to the fact that the ukrainian language lives on any continent, of course, and our great love for our word for our language is one of those important bricks for the humanitarian victory, then one more short question, the last one, taras, what to do counted up to 20 million ethnic ukrainians as part of the russian federation in 901 from 1990, according to the latest polls, something up to a million admitted there that they are still ukrainians , i don’t know what else, whether it’s not even written in their passports, maybe it’s left. and that is, somewhere 19 million dissolved, we see these people with ukrainian surnames in among the russian generals who are now here giving orders to kill the civilian population, we see among the soldiers who are raping there, who are killing them, looting them, what to do with those former

ukrainians or ukrainians from the diaspora who remain in russia, literally yesterday touching post in our chat eh on the broadcast on youtube well, you want to say that you have already watched us already watch us on youtube 11,000 thanks to everyone who joins eh and eh, well, this is apart from television of course well, actually a person wrote and wrote i am from russia i live in russia but how nice it is for me to watch the ukrainian channel from watching there kinder was invited to us and to have this window to ukraine what to do with those ukrainians does ukraine have for the first time in 30 years after the victory to be more proactive or russia will still exist in some form and in some form we or we have to work in that direction as well with those of our ukrainians unequivocally we must work because this is our great army wherever there is a ukrainian he always

must identify himself by his roots, you know collaborators ukrainian collaborators they are the same and they have passports of ukraine and there are citizens of ukraine who have two passports who were issued passports of citizens of other states, etc. but this is a question of identity which is also related to the question of the language of their roots your origin, etc., you absolutely correctly said that there are a lot of ethnic ukrainians in russia, but let's not forget that in the 14th year all ukrainian organizations were banned and liquidated as well this concerns the ukrainian center in moscow, there was a big library there, as far as i know, i wasn’t there, but life was certainly there, let’s remember at least ivan bagryany, his in journalism, let’s remember the ukrainians of the green wedge, who, if i’m not mistaken, created their people’s republic in the 19th year, etc., therefore our people there are a lot of wills and circumstances that ended up there, it is also necessary to

support all ukrainians of the world, ukrainians abroad who are in a hurry to ukraine, who are interested in ukraine, who are passed down from generation to generation generations, the history of their people, the tragedies, the troubles that the people of the older generation managed to survive, and in fact today we need to create better opportunities for them to return. i speak for the youth, they were educated at ukrainian universities, they helped and continued to help as volunteers, as patrons , as the diaspora, and i am grateful and want to thank you personally to the world congress of ukrainians for being so powerful, helping the armed forces of ukraine so much, helping displaced people, helping in the rehabilitation of our military since the 14th year is a great story of our struggle and god will give us a great victory. god is with us and we will win. thank you very much. taras kremin was in touch with us. thank you for this conversation. he is the language ombudsman of ukraine and we will continue our models. one more hour of air time and so on. we have um,

we have igor ityrovich, the head of political and legal programs of the civic association, the ukrainian center for social development, mr. igor. good evening. good evening, actually, mr. yuriy. combined states against the russian federation, they refer to the russian e-e mass media, the case when the mass media cannot tolerate this word russian e-e, but it very clearly corresponds to the e-e actual reality that these are mass media and disinformation, also financial services of energy resources - i will continue to talk about these sanctions. well, they apply in particular to the first channel of russia-1 and ntv, and these russian channels will not be allowed to advertise and provide equipment through this channel, so that they will gradually i think the standards, remember, the

cameras were like this. well, by the way, they make quite a bit of money. they still appear to be here. well, and also gradually refuse to defend the import of russian oil, but we know that hungary's position here remains difficult, and we understand that - that hungarians are actually quite a pragmatic country , a sufficiently problematic country, somehow this happened . well, we talked to experts on hungary, they say that hungarians are simply enough not to call them cynical, and i call them very pragmatic and they just count money, in this case they have less sentiments towards european values. well , did it somehow happen? and we are centimeters in accordance with ukraine and now the war is probably somehow so, or what should we do here ? can't implement well, look , i agree with the fact that hungarians are usually very