i will say that the mayor of kyiv, vitaliy klitschko, a well-known ukrainian champion boxer in the past, said that after may 9, you can gradually return to kyiv. i think that i do not want to offend anyone there. the world is a place where everything wants to be, where politicians want to be, where even if there are rock stars, compare this again with what is happening on may 9 in moscow . this is ukraine, which represents democratic values, this is the place where the president wants to come, if possible, when safety is a pain. and the first lady has already arrived and fully performed in the metro . they have already started collecting things for the id of

schoolchildren and children in ukraine because everyone wants to help somehow and this is just a general project, we are doing everything, in fact, we can do it safely, mr. yuriy - it's even from me question of we graceful ee-e sedinin 's staff for the occasional help of a-a, important in the default steppe, even the risk-bearing - and what am i talking about, well, in a certain way , the industry that is oriented towards the defense of your country is now being activated. - and in general v

of security, as well as in other parts of the planet, and they will replenish the american reserves, i am interested in how the economy of the united states is being restructured, i don't know. moments, you know, this is an interesting moment. thank you for a very interesting question, because uh, really, how many people are engaged in the defense industry, what does this mean? we will not tell you how they did during the second world war world war when they stopped the production of private cars and all the factories switched to making tanks for the front, but we are not there yet, we see that when president biden was uh, he just flew the balabama to thank the uh workers who make the jebilins there, there were 265 people, if i’m not mistaken, who came to this meeting, to this meeting,

employees, so i’m not saying that there was a factory of this type, so even if it is necessary to increase it by 10 times, let’s not especially tense green states and on the contrary, he will give a job to someone who sleeps with us unfortunately, the second conversation is too little, and the companies that are big with our state, it was necessary for someone to write how the competition is right here but this is the second conversation we still need to recruit 1,000, 2,000 more employees, and it is very important here, again, we will pay well for the work and we will take care of it, we will deliver to ukraine everything that is needed, and because at the moment we are in this pandemic, we will have a large amount of money it is possible to solve a lot of problems, but it is possible to get vaccines, quick medicine, we go faster.

when it is possible, people can be forced to simply eat with him and pay for them to sit at home. and with money, many problems will be solved, and we are now asking for everything. heals the war in ukraine with a large amount of money which are required which are required every day because they are no longer free tests but this is what we are now can democracies stand up to authoritative courts because the authoritarian government so scuttled the dictation that it didn’t change, and democracies just need it, and for now, yuriy, you know , we appreciate you regarding the pandemic. during the war, the immunity of ukrainians increased so much that there were practically no cases of covid at all. maybe this war is not very good for us, and it is not very good for the environment , but

it played a very positive role in raising the immunity and morale of ukrainians the irony is of course the role is absolutely because if you think about it if we say putin will stop military actions tomorrow then when unfortunately he can come back too of course thank you three rashkin political public figure the united states was in touch with us and before moving on to the conversation with our next guest i would like eh alexa didn't write about it and jesus sat in front of the treasury and watched how the people put money in the treasury, many rich people put a lot of clothes, one poor widow put two leptos that make up the dial podozmal his students, jesus said, we are the wall , i tell you that this is the poor widow who put more than all the keys in the treasury and put everything in it. how about a country that, let's say, is in some

way in need or can be compared to a poor widow, but we see that it is this country that helps our state in relation to its own economy and its capabilities almost the most in times more than all the others in contact with us now yevgen tsibulenko, estonian professor, exercise , publicist of ukrainian origin, head of ukrainian compatriots in estonia, we welcome you, yevhen , thank you for being with us, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, good day. her a-a ukraine and estonia expulsion from this country of pro-russian figures on the eve of may 9 the fight against russian propaganda a-a how was today in particular in estonia did it succeed uh well, let's say so a more or less calm atmosphere to meet on may 9,

yes, in principle, there were no such major provocations , there were some small provocations, in particular in narva, this is the northeastern part of estonia . but they are already being removed and the police are celebrating all this very carefully, that is, yesterday all over estonia there were 92 cases when people had such symbols on these colorado ribbons, first of all, the absolute majority after the police is one of i contacted and cleaned these tapes, but there were 4 or 5 people who were punished administratively and who were going to cooperate today, as of 2:30 p.m., and 55 cases were discovered, well, an average of 10 in tallinn out of 45. again, we will believe in you there on in the northeast, which in the vast majority

of cases, people cleaned it all up after a warning, that is, in principle, there were no such serious incidents today, that is, from the very beginning, the estonian authorities made it very clear that there would be no provocations by pro-russian forces to put up with in any way, it is still necessary to understand that our large part of the population is not only insolent but also militant, that is, if they write a clear signal from the state that this moment has serious consequences, then no, it does almost nothing , that is, in this sense, everything was very well, as you actually said, you said that probably the largest aid is probably there, in fact, the largest aid to estonia goes to ukraine, that is, if we count as a percentage of gdp, this is the largest aid, it is 0.8% of the ponies, that is, poland

which is in second place a-a 0.2% is four times less if you count a-a percentages, but even if you count in absolute numbers, history is in eighth place despite the fact that it exists this is a very small country i have a population of one point 33 million i.e. less than half of pre-war kiev actually but if we look at the absolute numbers of military aid that is, we are in second place in second place in the united states that is, it is generally difficult to verify this, but these are the data of independent experts from germany in particular, that is, exactly and in addition, here in addition to such purely material aid, 100 not and was also always among the first countries to provide very important moral and correct aid in

particular , the estonian parliament. he was already the first one back in 1993 to recognize the holodomorgy, by the way, and then the estonian government is now engaged in creating a tribunal for putin. a few days ago, it was more free, there was a very powerful international conference there, by the way, he wrote an appeal from our speaker in the parliament to this conference, i.e. also a broker to participate in the preparation of all documents and that is, estonia is very actively working in literally any directions and in addition to this state assistance, people are very active in helping private individuals. that is, it will be a charity fund. now they have a lot of serious support here. there was also a survey that almost more than half of the population of estonia

made some kind of contributions. well, it is clear that in the family there more than one person help, it can be said that almost like a family, a family in estonia, she made some kind of charitable contribution to help or refugees or directly to the armed forces and so on , etc. yevgeny, i’m sorry, please, i’m talking, i still have to ask eh accepted believe that in the baltic countries there is still a certain contingent of people who can insist on the soviet union there and see a certain mental closeness with the russians, very often such communities, in particular in the baltic countries , live so somewhat separately, it is difficult for them to assimilate, to learn the language, to merge into society in general, as of february 24 of the current year, this situation, but to change, but in estonia, it is absolutely so, it is necessary to understand that the vast

majority of these people are also the descendants of the occupiers who were imported during the soviet occupation, the vast majority among them are ordinary russians, although i must note that among them there are also ukrainians and representatives of other a-a nationalities, but this is still, as they say, this is the entrance, that is, people with a completely soviet mentality, they are really very often stayed in the russian incospace, which unfortunately was not limited in any way until february 24, well, on february 24, it changed, that is, russian channels were banned here, even some internet sites were also blocked, and now they lived in this nc space with their customs completely destroyed. the problem was in because vlad is in the military in estonia, the percentage of these people was quite large. that is , it is the beginning of the conversation with the council of unions. estonia - it was about 30%, latvians even more than 40%, and of course

a-a it was such a very powerful force but a latte in estonia, they took such a very interesting step, although it was criticized by human rights activists in europe, but still they stood very firmly on their side. they introduced the so-called gray passports, i.e. they did not automatically grant citizenship to all residents who lived during the soviet union, i.e. only direct descendants received passports and people who had citizenship during the first republic, that is, between the first and second world war, when the baltic countries were independent, others had to undergo the naturalization procedure, that is, pass exams in including the knowledge of the language, it naturally protected the baltic countries, because a fairly large percentage of such people did not have the corresponding citizenship and the ability to vote and block the movement of the baltic countries

to europe. now, well, it is difficult to say, because they definitely have a lot. all ordinary people are very decent russians here who even directly help the ukrainian army, they say that we will run away, but still, a very large percentage of russians remain in favor of putin. did things change on the 24th? well, it probably changed, but i can’t say what the fundamentals are. a-and even in estonia they began to a-a publicize a social survey about the war in ukraine, in latvia such a survey was made public, and here, in principle, the situation is very similar, but if we talk about the russian-speaking e-e of everything else and vlad, somewhere around 20% supported him. ma- supported specific russian-speakers, and russia was supported by ukraine about the same amount, and they said, you know

, this is a pharisaic myth, we will not support anyone there, that is, it shows very well what the situation is, if, say, in estonia, they asked about the attitude towards refugees. disclosure if estonians are more than 90% there, from the very beginning they were in favor of helping refugees among russian speakers. at first it was only about 50 percent, then after a certain time in mykolaiv they saw ukrainian refugees who did not have any relatives there, then this percentage rose a little to 60% but all the same if we compare the a-a percentages of the sun and the russian-speaking ones, it was not very significantly different. even now, although the situation is gradually changing, that is, mr. yevgeny, we saw the video of this bronze soldier exactly 15 years ago, on the night of april 26-27, 2007, there were mass riots in tallinn and in

other cities of estonia, when russians, shouting russia forward, looted shops and committed mass riots there, and it seems to me that this was the beginning of that russian measure who showed his teeth then, and then the occupation of part of georgia began the following year. then in the eighth year, 2014, the annexation of crimea, the occupation of part of donbas, the 22nd invasion of ukraine , what is now with this monument and has it now made it impossible for such riots and demonstrations to repeat themselves of all the teeth of the russian peace on the territory of estonia and other countries of the european union, i ask that nothing so terrible happened to our monuments, it was simply moved from the city center to the military cemetery. it was simply transferred with it, everything is

normal, no one destroyed it, as russian propaganda asked to prove, in principle, it was the main reason for the fact that in estonia from the very beginning they said that no one would destroy it will transfer it to a military cylinder because it was in the city center, it was completely inappropriate there, no public transport stops, especially there they believed that there was a mass grave under it , that is, it was about conducting genetic tests to establish exactly who is there buried with the gravestone to protect them in the military cemetery a-a but russian propaganda from the very beginning attributed this same as an increase of this monument which of course is simple from the very beginning it was obvious that this is a special operation part of the people were imported from russia by all the people who robbed shops there, they beat the windows there, they beat everything around now and these are the first little green men, i would say that they were simply tied up, brought from russia,

they staged this one, this one, this whole pogrom that took place on the night of 26-27 in april, the lessons have already drawn conclusions in order to simply make it impossible to repeat something like this. i definitely ask that the lessons are all learned. that is, in general, you need to understand that even then it was suppressed quite harshly literally for two days and this lesson is in russian they remembered it very well. and no, of course, i was very offended. and no, i remembered it. they made me understand that no one will deal with them again. is it possible to get it with a baton and uh, now that's why i say that when from today the government very clearly gave to understand that the provocation will not be tolerated then everything went more or less calmly except for you, you must understand that, in principle, the army in estonia is not very large, but it is very capable, very well trained and equipped, in addition, we have this elite , it can be said that it is a territorial defense and fully

on a voluntary basis. and by the way, the ukrainian territorial defense, when it was being developed , they took the example of the estonian concelite, it is very motivated, so frequent and, in principle, in any case, any hybrid threat is there, of course, the little green men will be immediately neutralized without any centimeters, they really don’t understand. and if a large-scale invasion begins, of course the estonian army, our nato allies, will help already as a contingent of nato after the 14th year, he wants here on a rotational basis, but always the basis - this is the english contingent, there are also french or dacha people joining on a gratuitous basis, that is, in fact, it will be an attack on an abstract member of nato if there is and on a concrete british danish designer soldier, that is, it is clear that the response

will be instantaneous, very powerful, so in principle, i i believe that estonia is ready for this, as are the other baltic countries, and fortunately for nato, now i understand that the pressing is over, it is necessary to strengthen this eastern border and the eastern border, i apologize and accordingly, this work is going on quite actively, but you know , we now, unfortunately, it has become a kind of traditional daily practice to constantly hear air alarm signals there, and we constantly emphasize to people that you should not neglect safety and please do everything it is possible in order to be in a safe place at this moment. at least people in ukraine take care of themselves, in particular, it is also necessary to emphasize that they get used to something and the danger is already becoming some kind of unfortunately, the norm, i would

really like european countries and friendly countries close to us, in particular, should not neglect the danger that comes with everything from the russian federation, despite the fact that ukraine is actually standing here as a camp and does not allow them to further advance their itchy ambitions, as we understand now more in the direction of moldova, although the baltic countries they also constantly mention in their in the broadcasts, in particular, they clearly describe and announce what they will be ready to do with them, so attention spans and er, still, well, the maximum feeling of er, hm proximity of danger was with us yevgen tsibulenko, an estonian professor law - publicist of ukrainian origin, head of the ukrainian community of estonia, thank you, and now we are in touch serhiy, a conscientious german political scientist, an expert on eastern europe, the head of the representative office of the henrikh bel foundation, we congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good day, good day, i congratulate you

, only former the head of the representative of alfa safon , there are no former journalists in ukraine, mr. serhiu, as one of the former journalists, i wanted to ask you about the situation in berlin. distributed paper flags of ukraine on tierhartner square and also did not allow participants to unfurl a 25-meter-long ukrainian flag to the participants of the ukrainian action well, even earlier, the authorities of berlin banned any actions using both ukrainian symbols and russian symbols, as well as the symbols of war, the z signs of the colorado ribbon and something else, what caused such a decision by the authorities of the capital of germany, and maybe today there is some information today, too, may 9. the day is not a simple victory day, maybe there is information about possible actions, actions in german cities and what did they lead to, please, yes, the situation is

very, very sad and nothing good. unfortunately, i cannot tell you from berlin, because the berlin city hall really did not find options in what way it means to understand what to do with this situation, they were just scared and they decided that it means that nothing should happen, it means that there are no problematic problematic actions, they simply banned all uh, that means all the flags, all the flags, all of them, that is, in fact, in the opinion of uh, many of ukrainians, ukraine is thin, even in the eyes of many germans, they simply equated the symbolism of the aggressor state of the killer state with the symbolism of the country that protects europe and democracy, freedom, peace on its own territory, its own subjects, so yesterday the police really confiscated a 25-meter e the flag of ukraine near

the memorial in artenia is near the brandenburg gate. this is one of the powerful monuments of the second world war memorial. and this has already caused a lot of indignation, but it seems that the berlin city hall did not react on this and today there is already a message about what exactly is in this well-known streptopark memorial , we have it in the eastern part of the city, it is a huge park, it is actually a military military cylinder where thousands of soviet soldiers are buried and where this big element of a soviet soldier stands here, the russians are calmly and completely demonstrating with russian flags , with these soviet flags, and so with a different symbol, and the police do not interfere with this, as people say that there are more but the police actively attacked people and

even were dressed in the colors of the ukrainian flag, let's say a correspondent, a photojournalist of the taglishvili newspaper, if i'm not mistaken, i also wrote on twitter that a woman who was riding a rover and had a blue shirt in her hands uh, yellow , the police forced me to leave this memorial , which means not to appear in this episode. i am reading this. if i am not mistaken, ukrainian activists oleksandr snidalov wrote about it, a russian or a pro-russian person, aggressive, means people they beat the filming of the ukrainian tv channel 1+1, plus they didn’t have to mean a story about how the berlin police manage to violate this very shameful ban on all flags, not only russian, but ukrainian, yesterday they confiscated the russian flag, today they ignore it, and now ukrainian tv stations

filmed about this story and russian pro-russian. well, who is aggressive, er, aggressive nato, that is, these aunts beat them, and the police, as oleksandr snidalov writes, could not protect them. and it is unclear whether she did not want to or did not lie down, but in as a result of journalists, approximately the results nataliya fibek is the head of the european bureau, she is right in germany, one plus one , we will definitely contact her and learn about the details of this beating, based on everything you said, this is what i wanted to understand, and i'm sorry , who is more uncomfortable now, in particular russians or ukrainians in germany well, in my opinion, the russians are absolutely comfortable, well, look. of course, those who expect that germany will actively support russian aggression in ukraine are not comfortable because they think what does this solidarity mean there with ukrainians that ukrainians are accepted there they are given

refugee status that flags can be seen there well indeed in berlin you can see a lot of ukrainian flags regardless of this ban on demonstrating with flags at e-memorials in berlin a bunch of ukrainian flags are almost arriving in university er means museums in the kherson building above museums in private houses. you just go to the city, you see ukrainian flags all the time. of course, those russians who want to endlessly terrorize neighbors are not comfortable with this violence , but they are not comfortable simply because they see that there is freedom somewhere and ukrainians are treated normally, but as for the aggression of the attacks, of course ukrainians are not comfortable here, because we know that cars with ukrainian it's a shame with the numbers and we see that there are attacks on ukrainians and uh, here's a video

of yesterday's folding of our flag, when the police forbade ukrainians in berlin to unfurl this 25-meter ukrainian flag, it's difficult so far you will understand the public mood in germany as well, how they correlate with the position of the authorities, in particular there and uh, how the position of the authorities and society is embodied by law enforcement officers, based on this video, but mr. sergiivno, there is not much time left and i cannot but ask a few important questions. well for example, the perspective of the shuvart's visit and visit to kyiv, how much is he needed now, not needed , and should it happen in your opinion? the opinion is there from 60 to 76%, depending on the various parties that are part of the government coalition , support the idea of ​​sending heavy weapons to

ukraine, the problem that ukraine is currently facing in germany is not its population and not the attitude of the population ; of his government that block this aid and they do it, i emphasize that the society is in a dispute with the public and the dispute will later become old because the main opposition leader, i'm sorry, the politician is a positional one, but he tried it in ukraine, and based on the fact that he himself according to your words, he is now acting not quite as he would er let's say that is what german society or a chinese would probably ask for under him now, in your opinion, but unfortunately, no, because his positions to the government are very, very strong, because in order for him to lost his position, he or his party should drop one or two other coalition parties, the liberals, the green should leave the coalition,

none of them is ready to risk their ministerial portfolios, so his position, unfortunately, is strong, regardless of what he does to the ukrainian politics despite the demands of society, i wonder what will happen now, what will be the results of these elections in the regions of germany, because yesterday there were elections in the name holstein, this is northern germany, the social democrats lost a third of the votes there, i absolutely lost to the christian democrats , next week there will be elections in the northern region wistfali is one of the largest regions of germany, and it seems that the democrats are defeated there too. it is because of disappointment that the thinness in ukrainian politics is what this is about his visit to kyiv, and whether or not zlyva will come. it is important whether he has received weapons, and he promised to come .