decent, yes, this applies not only to the tremors that you mentioned and reading the paper, but also in general that the rhetoric does not change in particular, there are no new explanations, there is no content in the new ones either , so you know, he did not demonstrate the victory to anyone for his military and political leadership and although he clearly wanted to, as far as germany is concerned, unfortunately, the situation in germany is such that we still have to work with the political class, e.e. , ukraine, poland, lithuania, latvia, estonia. imperial fascism, we were not heard, we were not taken seriously, they told us that we were exaggerating, and now, even in a state of war, when tens of thousands of people are wounded, millions of emigrants are dying, they still do not fully understand how serious

this problem is. the action of the so-called immortal regiment, the brandenburg gate, i understand that without me. well, we know that the immortal regiment is a regiment, its office is now in mariupol, and definitely not in berlin, anton, there is less here for a longer period of lawsuits let's say for the results of the second world war in particular and very often this complex of guilt was embodied in a very weak position for the atrocities committed by the russian federation even before the start of the hot phase on february 24, well, that is, we saw how the germans eh in the higher management could have come there to moscow or somewhere in russia and uh and how they positioned themselves, what was the rhetoric and we noticed a lot that in fact it is necessary to change

it and it is necessary to change the accents because in fact all the main ones are so titular excuse me nazi atrocities took place on the territory of ukraine itself. if we talk about the former soviet union , these accents were not put in time, before whom germany in particular should feel guilty, that's why we don't have such a result now, it took three months for the in order to understand that ukraine still needs german weapons, eh, are we working on our mistakes, in your opinion, eh, also in the context of may 8 and 9, because president zelenskyi really noted that this is not a war between two armies, this is a war of two worldviews, and one of the worldviews is precisely about may 8, about the day of remembrance and reconciliation. and may 9, they say, is simply more of a story about an authoritarian totalitarian regime that drew its own date and we still supposedly formally have it.

look . as for the german part of the question , it was well said in timit snyder, you just recently wrote for yourself something like the title, i will not reproduce it so experimentally, but the meaning is that germany has been telling uh ukraine for the last 30 years how should we fight nazism with fascism, despite the fact that she herself supported those who relaunched the entire fascist war, actually alluding to russia, and this irony of european intellectuals lays exactly what you are asking about, that very often no work was done to understand the problem of this of the post-soviet space, that russia actually turned into an empire instead of a federation, that it is getting worse and worse, and that the union inherited instead a complex that was generously

developed and generously paid by the russians naftodova and of course the german elite, such as schroder and other german politicians, were happy to accept friendship from russia, obviously this contributed to that. well, besides that, let's be frank. ukrainian humanitarian policy in germany. well, it was simply practically absent. the question of our lessons, well, in ukraine, sociology shows that 36% believe that the ninth of may is a relic of the past, but 34%. this same time is considered a personally significant holiday. the same the ninth grade and well, this is a large part of the population is extremely large, it means that the work has not yet been completed. the informational work, the communication work of the political class,

work with the citizens, even with the opinion leaders, it must continue. did yes , and i expect him to say that on may 9, er, on victory day, we will celebrate when there will be a victory over russian nazism. instead, he said that soon we will have two holidays and the holiday of the victory over the german nazis and the holiday of the victory over the russian nazis, should we even celebrate the holiday of the victory over german nazism on the 9th of may, exactly the ninth of may, when the victory over german nazism is not written in any document about the surrender, the date of may 9. well, you as a historian what do you think, please? well, it seems to me that today's speech by the president on the empty maidan, where parades were usually held since may 9, is a tradition that was interrupted only after the revolution of

dignity. regarding the commemoration of the victory over nazism , we definitely need to remember and celebrate the victory over nazism, but may 9 does not necessarily have to be may 8, but as for the official documents, well, let's not forget that there is a recommendation at the un level that precisely provides for the commemoration of the eighth the ninth or the ninth or both the 8th and the ninth therefore, it is obvious that we also need to , well, that is, to study so that our diplomacy also speaks. on the world stage too because of course, most european countries and americans celebrate the ninth number on the 8th - these are single countries, as a rule, because of the former influence of the soviet union and russia. yati was in touch with us, i will remind you that the guest of our studio is oleksandr

musienko and we continue our conversation, in particular, we will recall how yesterday's press conference was held , so yesterday, azov and in general joined in to our guys from azov, from azovstal and the rest of the ukrainian garrison and our infantrymen . in particular, i will remind you that we are talking about ideas about the national police and the national guard and even about the border guards who remain the same. to communicate, in particular , with journalists, to answer the most important questions and express certain opinions. i would like us to hear one of the main or slogans, well , of the main theses and the press conference from azovstal, which was heard. the problem is that there are many official representatives of the authorities have been sabotaging the defense

of ukraine for the past several years, i would say eight years because this war did not start in february, on february 24, and we constantly emphasize this, our preparation was sabotaged by officials, bureaucrats, the government, everyone simply prevented us from preparing for defense because the fact that we knew that a big war with russia was coming, we knew about it, we knew about it all the time, and we were ready, at least we were ready as much as we could, the problem is that many of official representatives, the adviser to the head of the president's office, oleksiy arestovych, yesterday, by the way, raised the issue of responsibility for preparing for war, the defense of the south in the crimean direction and ensuring the training of territorial defense, in particular, taras chmut reacted to this, now the head

of the come back alive fund, a military expert, he noted that such a statement by a representative of the president's office is possible perceive as an attempt to give society extremes and identify the culprits for the mistakes made, in fact, why is it considered political here toys on the bones, well, now talking about it, surely someone would say that's why espresso was turned off from t2, but less so with oleksandr's jokes well, well, i want to tell you that there are positives, but in addition to this, you can single out positive points. i'll probably start with them because it is important or war is also about people, it is about nations and i understand why victory will be ours because when i look at the representatives of azov , ilya samoilenko, whose synchronicity you just showed, look at the beautiful english language clearly answers the journalists' questions about the image that the ultra-right radicals have molded in particular of azov

, and so on. look at what they say. i listened carefully to the messenger, first of all, there is no such unnecessary aggression there, and so on. adhere to the geneva conventions. by the way, they mention this and say that russia does not adhere to it here, that is, concrete clear facts , we destroyed as many as 2.5 thousand russian soldiers, they really played a grand role introduction of the defense of the rooster in general, everything about this is clearly laid out on the shelves in the south of ukraine . well, you know, this feeling was positive in the fact that i look at these people positively, not in the difficult situation they are in, but in the fact that they are in this difficult situation how they perceive reality and what messages they convey, this is the key, and i perfectly understand that how bright are our people who are loyal to the state, who fulfill their oath, who are loyal no matter what and in spite of everything and

now the moments that are heard about the fact that well, we we understand very well that there will be questions and i think that after the end of the hot phase of the war they will arise, there will be certain facts there and so on, we understand it all very well, but despite this, now they clearly say that we are ready to carry out the orders that are there, and here i perfectly understand that what is our, let's say, this core that will help us win, but of course we need to take these measures now in order to get these people out of there , how to do it if we are talking about the military way, well publicly we get and the answer from the representatives of the authorities that it is impossible. okay, no one is saying. well, the command is the most prominent situation. they have to decide this, it is their authority, but still, there must be other ways , then we are talking about political and diplomatic, and

politics, and attention that even representatives they also offer azov a way out of the situation, that is, they also offered in principle a humanitarian corridor for citizens through the mediation of international organizations. the extraction procedure they say about when there really could be a ship of a third state, and it will be possible to withdraw our military from there, despite everything, despite everything that it is difficult, it is proposed not only for that reason, but also because it is one of the most likely scenarios that can be i think something, many people will agree with this. it is one of the safest because they need it. well, they are right. you just need to get to the port a little bit, it is in another part. if you look at the map of the estate, you will have to go through the kerch strait. well, if if it is there will be a ship, we know if it will be a ship of turkey or another state, i think it is unlikely that russia will dare to attack it if the better they

took out civilians and lost at least two of them , and we still need to be wounded, so this is me about it and i say that it is difficult in this sense, regardless correct me, as far as i know, according to this procedure, how terrible these fighters are, because they no longer have the right to participate in the defense of ukraine, i understand correctly, well, they are ready, they declared that we are a garrison, they are like that well, if there is formal pressure according to this procedure, then yes but again, they are given the opportunity, the key thing was the demand to leave with gordon's weapons as prisoners well, but i want to tell you that they can be involved in other ways, they can with their advice, their effectiveness, of course, this is a colossal experience, and i think that their contribution is already his contribution to the defense of the country will not always go down in history. they have definitely already done enough, but i know that mr. semeylenko wants to graduate from the history

faculty, he will have something to do, so he will be a good military historian, probably in addition to the fact that military skills oleksandr today the occupiers if i'm not mistaken, slovyansk was shelled for the first time, this is the city that was first captured by the russian gangs of ghirkin on april 12, 14th, today they shelled the center of slovyansk, written by vadim lyakh , the mayor of the city. of the central part of slovyansk, the degree of damage is currently being ascertained and we will get an answer to this question, but we will include andrii klymenko, the editor-in-chief of the black portal, in our conversation, we welcome you, mr. andrii, good day greetings, let's talk about slavic oleksandr, how probable is the threat of direct encirclement of slavic and kramatorsk now? well, this threat was there before, it is not going anywhere in the sense that we can see from two directions there, the russians are trying to approach from the north, from the direction of

raisin and the direction is east-northeast there from the side of the estuary to sviatohirska they are moving there well, i want to tell you that in those 10 days or two weeks as much as they advanced they did not have any significant success that they they are shelling the fact that they were able to come close to firing e-e rocket systems of salvo fire. well, listen, there are many plans of the russian troops, which they declared to move, for example, in the direction of kryvyi rih, whether they did not declare, well, they showed how many times they shelled dnipropetrovsk region from the side of kherson region. it means that they went there and physically control it, and the situation here and there is difficult because it continues, but considering how our military is holding up, i don't think that the russian troops will succeed, nevertheless, they should be aware of that that as of may 9, russia has doubled the number of carriers of sea-based cruise missiles of the caliber type in the black sea area,

their total number of missiles is up to 50 missiles. this was announced by the spokesman of the ministry of defense of ukraine oleksandr motuzyanyk at a briefing, and this is already mr. andriy, the question will be for you how has the situation changed at sea and is the threat level increasing again was there never decreased uh actually uh missile hall if you take into account the missile launcher cruise missiles caliber it is currently on ships of the black sea fleet of russia 56, 16 on four submarines and the remaining 40 on two brigades and three corvettes, that is, the only thing that has changed and changed significantly is that the russian federation

lost the cruiser moscow as a missile cruiser as an air defense cruiser and that is why they are currently kept in the sevastopol area by the latitude of sevastopol, let's say maybe a little above the north, so that neptune would send them a wave, and what is the situation now, in particular, with the caspian sea, because it is precisely from there that rockets often fly into ukraine recently, if we talk about the shelling of western ukraine, i can. do you have information about how dangerous it is from there? well, first of all, there are four rocket launchers. well, in principle, they are the same as

on the black side. they have eight rockets, doctor. three of them of them have experience of shooting at objects or 615 years of reeds went in different years in the last eight years several times went along the volga to this channel through the sea of ​​azov to the black sea, that is, if there is a need, there are no problems crossing to which now naligarchs transfer them to the border thank you, i wanted one more video for us to watch and comment on this slavyanogorsk direction that oleksandr mentioned yesterday,

our colleague from kazan, a journalist and investigator , posted a video and interestingly on facebook he wrote st. george's hermitage of the svyatogorsk lavra located in the donetsk region was a holy place for all parishioners of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, from now on it will be possible to see it only in a photo, the russian occupiers destroyed it with close artillery fire, patriarch kirill can pass it on to his to the orthodox military, he writes words of gratitude ionizing denis kazansky, we are russians with us, god said, they summarized his post denis, let’s just see a ukrainian military man who comments on the destruction of this hermitage of the svyatohorsk lavra, this is a very, very revealing video, please, look friends, here it is, here it is literally behind my back it was st. george's hermitage of the dormition lavra of the moscow patriarchate this is what it

turned into and in fact it was a beautiful place you can look it up on the internet there was a beautiful church a lot pilgrims lived here, a whole complex around them was promoting the russian peace, the russian peace came and targeted this church, this is not the first time they came here, they deliberately destroyed their own church, mr. andriy klymenko, it is actually in odesa, just the other day, the rocket that flew in and destroyed a part of the moscow patriarchate church and in the dormitory. i understand that he also belonged to this church in which the boy died, but there is no difference at all. well, for them, there is no difference in terms of which objects to hit with these missiles from the sea or not from the sea artillery svyatohorsk is it still the case that

infrastructure objects are being searched there? i'm asking for your word. i think that a certain proportion of those cases does not indicate this, it indicates that the praised high-precision weapons actually have an accuracy of plus or minus 1-2 km, and that's why i don't think that if for example, to talk about the skovoroda museum , it was definitely not aimed at that, there are simply no military facilities in odesa, there is a place to shoot there, there are many facilities about structures, so i do not rule out that it is simply in this way the accuracy of the russian high-precision was demonstrated

weapons, colleagues, i would like to add a few more words from you, please, in fact, today the growth becomes a question. and how much longer will it last? tons of oil for oil products, no reduction, about what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

what ? affected by now in my opinion, the first issue is the immediate paint, and the russian one, because this is a weapon, this is the duration, so if this is not the case, all the shelling on the structures of civil objects of cultural values ​​and losses among the civilian population and among our military will continue because mr. putin's wallet is well , i thank you for emphasizing this situation, for example, greece helped

to keep russia's oil at the pre-war level, despite the sanctions according to which the european the ports are officially closed to russian vessels. on april 8, the eu announced the fifth embargo and decided that two-two eight hundred and seventy-three ships of the russian merchant fleet are no longer allowed to enter european ports, but after four weeks there is no question of a strict interpretation of the sanctions regime , in particular, russian oil deals of energy multinational corporations such as rus-neft and lukoil continue to be processed through european ports without hindrance. and why is the european union even possible in your opinion ? one thing and it does a completely different thing. i think that in this case our colleagues who raised it were wrong. the fact is that the sanctions of the european

union should be accepted. the devil and this is always an exception. and among the earthenware there is dust written in addition to the export of energy and food products , that is, at the moment, the sanctions of the european union, unfortunately , do not yet prohibit the entry of tankers with russian oil in a european port, and we see and we record it daily that approximately 670% of russian oil exports from the black sea of ​​azov go to european ports and approximately to turkey. that is, we say that 70% of the destination ports are nato countries and 60 the % of vessels

that transport the same tankers, er, these are er, also tankers from countries that are part of the eu, and greece and turkey are in first place there, and there are all those outside of these frameworks, which russian churches , that is, we need to empark, or we need to sanction portions shipping otherwise ie right, even just to understand the world’s largest tanker entrance, that is, for them to stop working with the russian motherland means to put hundreds of huge tangs on the hook arms and money from the other side.

they buy that oil from russia so that with this money their russia can continue this war against ukraine, against which they oppose by giving us armaments and money. the evil west destroyed two brotherly slavic peoples, well, i'm laughing, of course, but less so with the fact that in many ways the west also, let's say, connived at the growth of russia and the putin regime, this must be recognized without noticing the growth of those threats that have now turned into such a full-scale war against ukraine with terrible consequences. therefore, this is one of the reasons i want to tell you that they are gradually working to close this loophole, that is, there is a mechanism of secondary sanctions. i know how it starts to work against the military-industrial complex and it is really starting to work as if it were a neophyte, but in manual mode they are studying which companies can allow bypassing where, and it is already known about kazakhstan,

which can help, theoretically, there was already information about greece, well, that is, all this is taken into account , asian countries, which will continue as for oil, well, i hope that they will still get to the point that the embargo will be implemented, it is difficult, we see that there are such countries as, for example, hungary, which openly puts sticks in the wheels and does not give the opportunity, but yesterday's meeting of the great seven and where the ukrainian president was also invited. this is good. there was a statement that it is still necessary to give up oil, and i hope that it will be done in addition to that. i think that we need to go further, not all of us. let's say that we should not relax because there is still a lot of work to be done, which i am convinced must be done to achieve the inclusion of russia in the list of the united states as a state responsible for financing terrorism. russia behaves as a

terrorist state. the hamas organization that is shooting at israel is from me . here it occurs to me that er, sorry, there was a terrorist act that i will say this someday, but honestly and dilhamaz always well, as a rule, they take responsibility , that is, they admit that they committed a terrorist act, and these even they can't do that, but it's necessary to go to that and the next moment, that's why we have a lot today and even mr. shranochich spoke when he spoke about the recommendations of the un, the un, this is the key thing , today we need to make sure that russia simply ceases to have the right to vote there. difficult but this maybe thanks to andriy spasyba and you too andriy klymenko, the editor-in-chief of the black sea news portal, was in touch with us. thank you for the analysis of the situation related to the sea, and oleksandr

musienko, director of the center for military legal studies, is from this studio, it was nice in the end to see a living person as a guest thank you , the program of radio svoboda is now on espresso after us greetings is freedom lime my name is vlasta lazur we speak mona on the pages of radio svoboda on facebook and youtube as well as on the air of the espresso tv channel on wednesday today, we are talking about the parade in honor of may 9 in moscow, it came without aircraft, besides, russian president putin did not announce the mass mobilization that day was supposed to