why did the germans call and bring the red cross to document the crimes of the soviet government, they did not want this cross on themselves. it should have been nice to be an announcer, precisely because it is said in the chronicle that the beast will judge the beast. that is, we are all a scheme of totalitarian regimes, they are repeated, they are repeated that we have the execution of lutska prisons in 2017 was the last such broad information that investigates a new one of these er graves in a funnel from an aerial bomb and there has its own certain technological features as it is placed er 114 people on er skulls, that is, with absolutely various injuries, ee incompatible with life, often due to the fact that there were shootings, and this is a complex, as it were, with firearms, then throwing grenades with

such different things, that is, the beast on the one hand follows the beast and wants to be like the beast from above. that is well, we have a cyclical history. unfortunately , ukrainians are in the center, unfortunately, it has something to teach someone. unfortunately, as a historian, it is difficult for me, but i must say that it does not teach backwards , everything is absolutely obvious, there is the institute of czechoslovakia the capture of the sudeten there, the world saw it, it should have seen it in 1938-39 , 40, 41, what does the world itself not see? well, now the world can stop putin , how can you, based on history, who has analyzed a lot of events, and he will stop and here is the physical day

of june 22. yes, what the russians call the day of the beginning of the great patriotic war, yes, how should ukrainians perceive this day? we see that on june 22-23, thousands of ukrainians were simply shot because this is what the nkvd decided, and let's, friends, add mykola to our conversation. the path of a ukrainian historian is a person who is quite a high expert in the field of studying the history of this particular period of the 20s and 30s . on our broadcast, please tell me this fundamental question: on what day did the second world war begin for ukrainians, what did it start from, how should we write this history of this war, how should we understand it, the second world war for ukrainians began on september 1, 1939, western

as you know, the territories of ukraine were part of the second polish-lithuanian commonwealth and the ukrainian population of western volhynia and eastern galicia took the hit of nazi germany in the first days of the war . therefore, the beginning of the second world war for ukraine was not on june 22, 1941, as long claimed by soviet historians, but on september 1, 1939, just like the end of this war on september 2, 1945 historians should write about the ukrainian second world

war er and date it to the years 39-45, well, that's what is happening now, but what about the atrocities that we just discussed, what were they motivated by russia's hatred of ukrainians or simply the desire to destroy everything that falls under their control, i would answer that it is pathological er why because since the absorption of er ukrainian lands by russia , first by the moscow state and then by the russian empire, the question was constantly being asked in the offices of er st. petersburg, moscow, russian capitals about the subjugation of ukraine, ukrainians were destroyed as a nation

, as an ethnic group that, in their opinion, had common roots and a common history, we know that ukrainians and russians do not have common roots or common history, but they had to destroy their competitors because kyivan rus, which was an asset of ukrainians, it cannot to serve as the historical roots of any moscow or russian state and that the very mention of ukrainians had to be physically destroyed in the second world war, as the former first secretary of the central committee of the communist party of the bolsheviks wrote mykyta khrushchev of ukraine in his memoirs of ukrainians , that is the only reason they were not physically destroyed and deported like the deported crimean tatars, chechens, germans of the volga region. well, there were many of them in his memoirs. khrushchev remembered what he was

told about this by marshal zhukov, that ukraine hater who tried not to we remember that this butcher is zhukov, who led the berlin offensive only in the last two weeks of april before the storming and during the the storming of berlin by a million soviet soldiers and officers, most of these lives were ukrainian lives, so we can talk about genetic hatred and the desire of the russians to destroy ukrainians so that the very memory of a separate ukrainian people was destroyed, and these are exactly your words they just come to the words of mr. victor, who said at the beginning of our meeting that, unfortunately, the

lessons of history are not learned, and here you know. apparently, it has already become so that we already every day we find more facts and line up parallels, but that was all, but this is where the most interesting thing is, mr. viktor p. mykola. what do we need to do this time so that the lessons of history were learned, because it seemed like this, yes, the 40th year of the nkvd, the nkvd publishes a mass count of the killed, it goes into the thousands, and decades pass and it's a shock for us again. that the russians are exterminating ukrainians, but for most people, uh, that's the information that we voiced, voiced and discussed, it will be a shock at all, because they don't talk about it, they don't write about it, they do n't study it in schools. yes, i don't know. what why to today is the 30th anniversary of ukraine's independence. these facts have not been made public. and not everyone knows about them.

even our fellow journalists, when we were preparing, were shocked by what information we found there and will make public why we did not write this history of the war in ukraine in 30 years. the second world war, our participation and role, the role of russia in it, the real role that helped us to understand and not to give. i am sure that the ukrainian people would not allow anya to sign the agreement and ratify it. black sea for gas, that is, there is a lot that could not have happened if we taught this history, why do n't we teach it and not viktor, but i would like to start with the unity of material culture according to the soviet russian thesis, this is absolutely absolutely nonsense , really at a certain time in the 12-13th century that the territory

of ukraine, what is the territory of russia or the territory of modern belarus, there was a unity of material culture, only water materials, they knew how to make jugs and pots of the same type, the same size, the same technology, but if you now have an apple phone if he is the soul of a boy, there will be an apple phone, if an american girl will have an apple phone, this absolutely does not mean that you are one people, but you are simply using at a certain moment a certain achievement of your civilization, this is all the more unnecessary , how many times this absolutely tiny thesis , well, weakly from the historical from the point of view of constantly paying it. well, i can’t understand this. i sincerely believe that now we have a war for the independence of ukraine, a war for the independence of a person who was once led by bohdan khmelnytskyi as a cossack state, which was led by the ukrainian

people's republic, which was led by ukrainian insurgents , that is, the war, independence is considered with my colleagues . conflict, every state of the world chose its independence to one degree or another through economic conflict through armed conflict through this or that, we had years when we we did not fight for our entire history, we are running a bank, here is the war for independence and what needs to be done , we need to leave ukraine and we need to win the war for independence in a military military format, historians, historical journalists in the media space, we are all now working on the war for our independence, we convey this to the people

, mykola please tell me your opinion about why we wasted our time for 30 years and did not study this story that we are discussing today, and if we had studied it, would it have helped to stop what it's happening now, we're in the middle of nowhere, but i'm talking about professional historians who worked as a narrative of the real and not fictional history of ukraine, but the ukrainian politician was the ukrainian state, they did very little dlarization of the real history of ukraine , and that's why most of those who belong to the older generation er, they do not know this history and even the generation of our children and grandchildren. they also sometimes use narratives that come from the

textbooks of the same russian or soviet authors. i would say that here the state of ukraine and its the authorities should pay maximum attention to the popularization of this ukrainian game. after the history of the second world war, we are talking about the lessons of history that are not learned. why, actually , have such actions become possible that almost copy nazi germany in the current russian-ukrainian war, such crimes as it would seem that it has no place in modern history, but all because unpunished evil tends to repeat itself, what i am talking about is that after the second world war there was not even an attempt at revanchism in germany and nazism was in the broadest sense why was this word used in the nuremberg tribunal,

which punished not only the nazi leaders of the third reich, who unleashed the second world war, but also banned the nazi ideology, the trial of the communist ideology did not take place and the evil was not punished, it returned again, boryvanism was driven by vladimir putin and continues to drive now in the fact that we call the subjugation of ukraine and the determination of its path, therefore, when we talk about the lessons of history, they can be learned under the condition that the entire civilized world community pays attention to the fact that the soviet union led by stalin no undefeated person since the second world war, we must write the historical truth that this victory over nazism with the participation of the ussr would have been impossible from the

american lend-lease of the lend-lease that ukraine will receive today, that it was impossible only by the hands of russian soldiers officers , putin has been telling us about this for more than 10 years. we have to point out to the world the decisive role of ukrainians in the second world war and the victory over nazism, because from 8 to 10 million ukrainians gave their life on the altar of this victory. when mykola's colleagues broadcast the film crew and natalka-fiblik who lives there and works for the television news service, a journalist, she says that even now many germans thank the russians and they feel uncomfortable in front of the russians precisely because of what the nazis did with this narrative this myth must be destroyed precisely because they say and the russians say

you can repeat it, yes, you know, because what if i don’t put myself on the same level as you, mr. mykola yes, but what kind of communism is it if we have a new, scarier ideology has already been built, just understand russian. yes, there is a mix of everything, you understand, a mix of communism, stalinism, nazism, well, that is, you know, the little things of everything are being built up, and about nuremberg , so how can i not agree with you here, well, i cannot agree, yes, you are right, but nuremberg - it was the judgment of the victors over the vanquished yes and we have plans for the ukrainian state and the world community no one is talking about plans to go to moscow here you understand we have unfortunately an attempt to appease yes yes yes they said about the world community yes and here the world to you, the community is not something to condemn here, the world community cannot be determined. so, how are we going to refuse russian gas there, that’s all in this trifle. yes, you know here, here is

the great ideology of putin, yes, here is didov and vali. so let us at the beginning the programs indicated that this is the great victory of grandfathers. it is like an excuse for everything that exists in this world, and first of all, this is the personal poverty of russians. in preparation for the material, we studied a lot of archival footage. and now i ask you to show the footage of the bolsheviks the disintegration of the people, we can now see these shots on the screen, yes, these are the events that took place in dnipropetrovsk oblast, judging by the credits, the collective farm workers are looking for something from the kulaks, so they find something from the kukulites, here you just have to comment and see the collective farm workers found a box with ammunition and weapons, so now we will see a kulak what does a buyer look like, yes, we remember what kulaks are. yes, they are wealthy people in the sense of the bolsheviks, other kukuls opoichenko omelko

do not look like a wealthy person, a very wealthy person in the sense the bolsheviks, you know what they stand for and that they found children with him, every person is wealthy and cloth, and that ’s what actually comes out, you see, we watched these shots several times, and this is actually, in my opinion, the new ideology of this very russian measure, so what’s the point of living in poverty it's normal to live poor and normal the main thing is what you have so it's not important there, you know, abundance, something there, the opportunity to see the world and the memory of the ephemeral just that victory of the grandfathers and for this the same russian military yaks they took out from buchi what washing machines, what kind of carpets, what kind of carpets, what kind of carpets, what kind of cars did they bring, which is what they say

when they enter germany, always in german. there are a lot of statistics about it, they say about the decisive role of the russian people in the victory, in fact, if you take it statistically, they recently calculated that, uh, ukraine, the war swept through ukraine two or three times , even these offensives went back and forth. and on the russian territory, guess how much russian territory was captured by the fascists during the second world war, 10%. 3% - three, only three percent, and well , that is, only about two hundred russian cities and towns were destroyed or somehow bombed, and about 7,000 ukrainians were completely destroyed, mr. mykola,

please tell us our thesis that we are trying to formulate about the fact that ukraine is actually conducting its century the war for independence began in 1921, when we tried to create and obtain our independent ukraine in the form of we can see it more or less today on our map, does this war continue or are these different wars ? first, it began in 1917, because the first bolshevik invasion, with the declaration of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic as its capital in kharkiv, is on december 25 in 1917, it was the first occupation administration directed by russia into ukraine and the russian bolsheviks into ukraine, and in the 21st year, in fact, ukraine went to war for independence because it lost this independent

state, the ukrainian people's republic, this war it really is, if not ancient, then at least one that lasts for several centuries, because we understand that the attempt to destroy ukraine is not only 1917-21 or the current war - it is an attempt that actually had dimensions that differed between the russian states in the muscovite kingdom, the russian empire, the soviet union, and now the russian federation, and they all wanted to destroy us. i would like to make one remark about the trial of communist ideology, why i insist on this, and it is about the fact that communism, nazism, italian fascism are also classic totalitarian ideologies share common roots with communism and nazism, and

we can see this in the actions and unworthy acts committed by the russian army in ukraine, this is precisely the birth of nazism, communism, totalitarianism, and one more thing that is important and what i would like ukrainians to believe in is not only victory in the war for independence and the fact that ukraine is recapturing all temporarily occupied territories and that the trial of the ideology, which is almost identical to the bolshevism of the russian state, will take place when the light will not only understand the cause of this universal evil what is the current russian federation and will understand that unpunished evil must be punished and

there is no statute of limitations for crimes. yes, stalin was in the camp of winners in the 45th year, but in 2022 putin will not be in the camp of winners, and you and i did not believe that ukraine can stand alone in a war with russia. and now we see how an anti-putin coalition has been created with the participation of forty countries of the world, and this anti- putin coalition, like the anti-hitler coalition in the 1940s, has every chance of success, they would not support us ukrainians in this war i have on mind the civilized countries of the western world, if they didn't believe in our victory, then the winners would actually dictate not only ukraine, but also our partners, the international rules of the game, because the violation of

international law, which the regime of vladimir putin is resorting to with impunity , ukraine and its victory in the war of liberation, the war for independence, whatever we want to call it, will mean the establishment of a new world order, new rules of the game, in which russia will not find a proper place, even though it has nuclear potential an incredible speech, in fact, and it actually reveals, well, this whole model of the actions of the world and ukraine and the authorities and anyone in order to bring the case to but it seems to me that it is necessary to start with the world recognition of the term racism, yes

, in order to under putin and his entourage can already be judged by this brand, as was the case with nazism. if mr. mykola said that russia will not finally find a place in the civilized world, then even without recognition, we can firmly understand that we cut it off, and this is also a very good option, according to me. thank you, friends. thank you for the incredible conversation, mykola, it was very interesting to hear and i hope that our viewers also learned a lot of interesting things, and i really think that the history of the second world war should be studied at school in exactly this format in such a context, and then ukrainian schoolchildren e- they will not have any regrets, for example, what she heard she will definitely tell her children, then her grandchildren, then her great-grandchildren, because they need to know what really happened so that it does not happen again to the people of this city and that later such people are victims of rape and abuse torture or such a thing has never happened again, we

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