a powerful force and a real possibility to break the backbone of the russian federation, but the question remains open as to what putin will do in return. i think that he has already used his entire arsenal. of course, he still has nuclear chemical weapons, but the allies are quite calm about this threat and, in fact, in the public sphere, they are the last for two weeks, especially in russian propaganda, suddenly the nuclear factor did not become so important and for discussion, that is, it disappears somewhere, we see that in fact nuclear weapons were not mentioned in any way putin during his speech yesterday at the parade, that is, he finally understands the consequences. well, the question is simply how to get out of this situation .

russia is talking about this to our territory because it has nothing else left. but still, it seems to me that these are more political statements, a war of this nature cannot last long in the 21st century, so i think that the issue of russia will be resolved in the near future, there is no need to hope that it will be tomorrow and of course everything depends on our armed forces because it is the main diplomat and the main political player on the battlefield right now, it is the armed forces of ukraine but nevertheless, russia has no resources and no reserves and nowhere to get them to successfully conduct this military company, there is no longer even a question of some kind of victory for russia, where it was about trying to save your face and not fall apart. i believe that russia will fall apart, volodymyr. i agree with you in principle, but i am one factor that we have to take into account and this is china. i'm sure you've also seen this statement by mr. xi, who expresses his concern about this,

well, there is a hint that china does not like the fact that the united states from the west, in general, is so actively helping ukraine whether china can or has the desire or has the opportunity at the same time to create a second front, for example, against america, or whether to organize help for russia there with tanks, planes, etc., whether it will or will not do it somehow, do you think about it from china, of course it is a clear understanding that after russia he will be next and this also pushes them to some actions despite all the ego ambitions they have, on the other hand , er, a strange synchronicity happened, this panacea statement that you mentioned, it somehow coincided in time with macron's statement, and the scholz's semi-silence on this matter so that let's we will profitably invent some new lego construction and not take

ukraine into the eu or something like that in half and take and build a community of the european union plus britain plus ukraine e the chinese are working they are trying to hold europe they are trying to prevent the destruction of russia but i think that if they wanted to open a second front, they would have already opened it, and in fact, washington is fully supporting ukraine, but without personal intervention. i mean the military contingent of the territory of ukraine clearly shows china that china is counting losses. he remembers his trillions of three trillion dollars that are placed in the west. he understands that on the one hand, the chinese are the factory of the world, but if no one buys anything from you in this factory, you are the bank of the world, and i think that for now for the chinese authorities, the risks of entering the war exceed the possible advantages in case of winning

it, what they get is taiwan well, for that they will have to put a million soldiers e they get asia no they get africa, well in africa they already have europe russia tried for europe and didn’t get it likewise, i think that the only option for china today is to trade and not to fight. although i think that it is very important, it is true. well, it is so beautiful here, but you understand. one thing is that there are 150 million russians, of which 140 lived on the border in the ass and that's it. their lives, and another thing is that there are 1.5 billion chinese people , of which 200 million actually live on $1 a day, but 200-300 million already know how to live well and want to live well. this is a huge question for the chinese government, what if you tell them tomorrow that chanel cake man, the front is not a fact that everyone will want to leave. well, the second thing is, you know what i want to ask. i apologize to volodymyr.

listen, can china? china is watching it. they can see that putin is not succeeding in anything. they are trying to bargain. in general in principle, there is such an option that if china sees that russia, well, everything is just very, very bad and very well in- march is a short er-er term that we will say to china in a united state well, then let's take into account our interests there er-er in siberia there er-er so what are we, that is, can china play the role of a pacifier for putin for the benefit of the west and itself at the same time? is this not possible in principle under certain conditions? it is a weak belief in the possibility of some secret molotov-ribbentrop protocol. in the form of bidensi yes, but theoretically, i think that there are some conversations going

on about what the future world order will be, and certainly china plays a role here. russia was excluded from this list, but what is interesting is that india was included, we see that the west brilliantly played on the chinese -indian contradictions and in this situation in a war situation in europe, india is already more sympathetic to the west than it was before at the beginning of the military campaign and i well remember the rhetoric of the indian snakes of the indian government from the first it was, well, let's say almost anti-ukrainian now it is neutral, sometimes even about ukraine, ukrainian , that is, china is left alone with russia, its venezuela, there is conditionally north korea. i think this company, that's why they will be based on some future structure. the territory, but definitely the question of what to do

with russia is now very acute, and russia is interesting because of its resources and because of its stability for the european continent, so i think that when russia is already obviously falling, its fall will be very fast fast probably loud because the big cabinet the voice is attacking as they say i'm trying well if it's a chipboard cabinet it'll just fold i'm just trying well now er project and in what format should the defeat of the russian federation be in order for it to be safe and excuse me ecologically if you can say that for the world, for us in particular because we are geographically not far from them and still will not go anywhere obviously, and what should be the defeat of the russian federation what should victory look like in order for the world to really not

shuddered at the too radical changes in the world system, our victory is the only situation in which the collapse of the soviet union, which began in 1991, is completed, despite all the gravity of the current situation and the very bloody battles in the east, nevertheless, no one could remember july 1991 to say that in august of the 91st year the soviet union will not become, it passed over a period of time, by the way, a similar situation existed in the 17th year in the russian empire, so this is actually the paradox of russia when it is not in a coalition with the western powers and she opposes it, for her it always ends in a cataclysm and disintegration, why do we need this disintegration not because to satisfy our ego and say that ukraine is such a rus and russia is a complete muscovy for us it is important for the stability

of peace and the possibility of development due to the involvement foreign investments, if we have the factor of the huge russian state, which will light up our borders from the east or from the south, god forbid , there will be no normal development of the country, and we will be constantly under threat if russia will fall apart into a few or 10 or 20 states, here it is less important, we will have peace, at least for one or two generations, during which time the moscow principality will again collect its lands around itself there or why is the state of difficult states and other states i want what to ask about but-but it’s good er-er russia er-er, what will happen to russia, approximately, i support your forecast, it’s just that nothing else can happen there, it’s disintegration, there’s too much evil inside the country, the so-called er- it’s quite artificial but at the same time, we we are watching such a well the unity of the large mass of so-called russians around

there is not hatred of ukrainians for everyone around, that is, in principle, the reich is formed and it exists now, the process of disintegration has not yet begun, only we are thinking about it, but in the west such a point of view prevails and it well, not on my view for the future is quite dangerous. it seems that 82 percent or even more europeans believe that the russians are not guilty of anything, that only putin is to blame, and if he is replaced by someone, everything will be fine. there at yeltsin of the western countries will say that democracy is good there again, there is a good person with a president there. well, at least she is innocent in the war

. there are absolutely no guarantees of such a situation, despite the fact that biden is now helping us in every possible way. and it is precisely his brilliant game that is being implemented now, uh, we also need to be active participants in this game so that he does not forget us somewhere by chance at some stage, and for that in order for the desired scenario for us to come true, we would conditionally have to hold a large conference of the free peoples of the russian federation there in may, june, and july, where they would identify their leaders, discuss the situation with them, what to do, return them to russia, let them work, that is an unconditional principle that is always worked and will work in this situation, because on the one hand, russians are madly in love with their filler and show 80% loyalty there, but half of russians are not satisfied with the economic policy of the russian government. between the fact that there is no mix-up and

putin is also engaged in economic policy, this is the end of the regime regarding the west. yes, it was possible to say that the problem is only putin if there was no buchi, if there was no mariupol, if there was no brutality and the russian genocidal army against ukrainians, now say what is this 100,000 little putins entered ukraine and they are doing it, and the big russian people are no longer successful, and we see that the so-called intensifying russophobia is already real for all of europe and north america, that is, a russian is a curse of the modern world, and it’s already at the level of everyday things, so i don’t think it will be possible to switch all attention exclusively to putin, putin went to the taiga and didn’t come back, and that’s it. okay , there won’t be such a scenario, because the russians will be forced to pay for their atrocities and when they

pay, it means that they pay not only putin , they all pay, they are all involved, and you know. at the everyday level, you said so. recently, a group of ukrainian journalists was attacked by a group of ukrainian journalists in berlin. such everywhere that is, there are such people in california, there is such a person in israel, there are such people in germany, there are such people there in britain, it’s just that now they have quieted down somewhere there for 10 days, and what to do with this phenomenon, uh, like the russian world all over the world, what to do with them and how to put them in their place, because they well, i don't know what will happen in turkey when they go there, they are invited there, that is, they haven't changed in principle. they don't think that they have already been defeated there they she is rude they can be more angry now by the way i should have

started with this yesterday i congratulate you on the policewoman the award is a great recognition of your merits, the facebook chief generalization of merits is stopped. for example, i do not want to have it. i believe that the journalists who are now at the front and who, unfortunately , died, they need this award as a recognition . not me, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, yes, yes, we counted yesterday, sashka. i thought about it too, but in fact, i thank you for your work. she is very important and believes that the knowledge i deserve about you two is 100% about the situation with the russians, yes, the russians not from abroad they dissolve, unlike ukrainians. they really live in a ghetto, er, i was repeatedly impressed in austria, where i spent a lot of time, and in the united states, when er, russians can be on everyone’s neck in these countries and fiercely hate the leadership of these countries in general, this country that they earn money and

glorify putin, but this also had a place in history uh, remember uh, the united states in the first half of the 20th century after world war ii. if only there was a hunt for communists, when communists were put in bungees, you sent them away summer, beloved revolutionary petersburg. live there and make your own arrangements, that's why i think that if the russians try to make any disturbances either on the territory of germany or on the territory of the united states, which go beyond the ideas of these states about the order, they will simply be deported, this has already happened with the russian oligarchs because the governments of the european union and the united states clearly understand the threat of big money that distorts the information space, but it will become ordinary russians if suddenly they decide again to take over the congress, will they decide to hold some kind of yellow vest meetings there again? this

will end very sadly for them. i just want to correct the term russophobia. well, in general, the etymology of the word phobia is more about fear, to a greater extent, i think it's time to get serious introduce the term mizorussia in the information field, because it is about rejection and, as a consequence, hatred, therefore, we will express ourselves correctly in mizorussia, our visarus is still insufficient, as you say, quoted your favorite russian propaganda to terrifying russophobia. thank you very much, volodymyr, for this conversation, it is actually very important, and volodymyr omelyan, minister of infrastructure of ukraine from the 16th to the 19th year, a diplomat, a child with whom you can always talk about everything and more. our state is a place of compact , particularly localized, very often residence of

many indigenous peoples of nationalities and ethnic groups and it is a great happiness it is a great happiness to be such a state each of us is a puzzle to our state and i love very much ours with you broadcasts, because we often talk about it, does not mean that we expect that it belongs to different ethnic groups of peoples, and right now, we have it live, it is a political columnist for a national newspaper, ivan, eh, kopsamon, ah, he is of gogus origin. - it's a gagauz language. it's almost, well, almost a crimean language. that is , we understand each other completely. i remember ivan the villager mariyka, i'm telling you, we had a guest, uh, our ukrainian, and she's just a teacher. she was

having a conversation with our host just a translation there one does not need different different religions but the common language is the turkic language, and in the industry there is still such a situation, well, it is actually difficult. yes, when in ukraine they live in the industry, and in moldova, they live near the industry, and what is happening in the moldovan part of the industry let's say that the residence in its territory, the residence of the branches, everything is not the same as here. and here you are written a lot about this, that there is some kind of effort to please russia on the part of the authorities. there, the georgiivska tape, etc. it is very interesting, we sometimes pay attention to such nuances type of attention, but it should be paid attention to for our country as well, ivan, eh, you have. i think there is something to tell about the events surrounding the industry in moldova and in this region, because

moldova was recently the center of attention there, now something has quieted down there. but in the whole situation, in general, we are on sorry, we all don't imagine. and you imagine fish. thank you. well, in fact, the tension remains because even if we take these next and last days, the active shelling of the odesa region of odessa and the odesa region continues, literally the day before yesterday and the day before yesterday, eight rockets were fired at such a town as artsyz in the southern part of the odesa region, and the people there were left without electricity, without water, that is, the area is being shelled, this indicates that the uh, the razhists are not abandoning their plans for destabilizing the situation in this region, the region i mean bessarabia and

ukrainian part and moldova as a whole, where there are two objects, let's say, transnistria and blue autonomy, which is used by russia as a tool for destabilization in this region, er, we understand and see that the russians are not enough to realize their goals through military means, let's say there to go into opera formation, which the ministry of defense openly declared, for this they need to go to mykolaiv and the northern part of odesa region . there is a southern part, but it is more difficult there, because you have to land with the southern part, that is, from the sea part, that

one way was destroyed, this is the bridge over the dniester liman, where the road and the railway passed - it is them destroyed and currently there is only one connection with this region - this is a bridge across the dniester river and today, thank god , everything is still working, but if they hit again with rockets on this, it turns out that the southern part of the odesa region will be cut off from the rest the territory of ukraine, that is, the danger remains , er, something er will not be able to be done there, but let's say , let's recall how they came to the kyiv region , there chernihiv sumy and moved the mountains - these

are regions, they can, this region, they work er he won't be able to get a foothold there, of course, but he's going to do something bad. maybe they 'll do something bad in these attempts. in fact, many of us are going through the same thing now. that er and let's say this, certain things for me are being clarified or are generally discoveries. i see that our tv viewers are asking questions if we talk about moldova and er autonomy gauzia so how does it differ from transnistria yes that is, why gagauzia is not about separatism, no, not about what happened to transnistria, whether it was there in the so-called dpr, the lpr in our country, or something else. well, this is really a valid

question. how does georgia differ from all other similar regions, first of all and transnistria, all these dnrs and other similar things. they are artificial entities that were created with the help of russia in order to keep tension and destabilize its individual countries, moldova or georgia, again, uh, bguzia in uh, when the soviet union was falling apart, there , too, with compact residence of the goguz on this of the ethnic territory, there was indeed such an uprising, and the gagauz republic was formed in the 1990s. of course, no one in moldova or the outside world recognized the republic then, and in such a state, this republic, well, in fact, formally, it existed until in 1994 , then this is one of the examples of this in

our region, i think that in the world, when in a completely civilized way with the help of discussion and with the help of finding a common language between the belarusian elites and the moldovan elites elites found a way and a way out in the form of autonomy, that is, they agreed that bguzy with compact living in this territory, moreover, there was even a referendum on which towns and villages will enter this autonomy and in all villages and towns where more than 50% to grandmothers voted for this autonomy. they entered this autonomy. there, their governing bodies were created completely . i.e. the head of the region ha-haw who ran the people

's assembly - this is a legislative enemy, don't notice it is the executive executive body of power that is, it is completely legal all these things were covered adopted adopted law at the level of the republic of moldova which recognized this autonomy and determined within the legal framework which it will exist , it was adopted, moreover, it is called a constitution , i.e., a kind of local constitution, that is, all the attributes, all the necessary legal issues in 1994 have been formalized since that time there is this belarusian autonomy and it has been recognized both in moldova and throughout the world, but there is still a problem with the fact that for certain such reasons this region is quite powerful about and with whom these

roots are. they come from, let's say, even more ancient times in times because most of the georgians in that territory believe that they are somehow connected to the russian empire, which at one time was 250-300 years ago. well, as a result of the russian-turkish wars, this territory was bujak, southern bessarabia was the answer, and i understand that it is also impossible not to put it. if we are talking about a place of compact residence on the territory of the state of ukraine, the gagauz people are. i know, uh, ivan probably also knows that i know several ukrainian geologists, well, including you, 300, i know that some

people, well, on which people are very patriotic, very pro-ukrainian, that is, in the ukrainian part of evuzia there. well, i just know such a famous singer belarusian hibernation singer. she lives and works in kyiv. anna, for example, i clipped her, saw a lot of it. it’s clear there, because it’s almost like the crimean language and the motives, but in general. i want to know about the mood of our ukrainian industries in the territory of the odesa region, where they live, well, moods among ukrainian engines, of course, they differ from those in moldova. but again, if we are completely objective. well, i said it again. i estimate it somewhere 50 to 50. such a large part of ukrainian teachers who mainly live in those villages in the odesa region that are still under russian propaganda and those old reasons that i have already

mentioned and they confidently look at russia with a certain sympathy. but not all of them, of course, especially which hbo for which more live in cities throughout ukraine, mainly in odesa, in kyiv, in particular , at the end of the blouse, they are a patriot of ukraine, moreover, these bguzys take part in the military formations of the armed forces of the national border guard in the troops, that is, in all these structures, they are also fighting against russia, and even more now among its higher education institutions, it is changing even more. a tragedy can't help but change your opinion, the exports communicate with each other, explain, certain discussions are held, that is, you know, there is such a gradual transformation taking place among industries that break out of the

past savka in order to once again be different look at this transformation. i know that ukrainians went through and are going through, and the war hastened this information, so ukrainians, i think, perfectly understand why and how and what is happening with ethnic honey carriers today, a very interesting conversation. thank you, ivan. here, er, i think that someone did i know at all that there is such a turkic-speaking nation in the country, there are very interesting people from the force, it is very interesting to find out in detail, it is very often and a-a speaks to russians. you have never thought about why you, for example, are there in the soviet union the union knew one language, and the peoples of the other republics knew at least two, because it was necessary to know russian, and it is also desirable to know your own language where it was not destroyed, so to speak, at least three

languages, and i, if i am honest, now think that i blame the russians, and myself, if i am honest i didn't have enough time in my life to simply immerse myself in the cultures of a-ah, i'm talking about the representatives of those er-e chicken peoples and ethnic minorities who live on the territory of our country, but life is long. each other thank you ivan thank you so much thank you and it was a joint broadcast of the espresso tv channel and atp ayder muzhdabaev my name is khrystyna yatskiv, we will see each other very soon on the espresso tv channel , please wait