good evening to everyone who is watching us. this is the live broadcast of the direct channel and er espresso and my name is andrii sachuk. listen, well, actually, also carefully watch the work of the bbc ukraine collection and the case when, for example, i do not agree with either the beginning or the introduction or the conclusion leonid kravchuk died today, let me remind you that if you just joined us now, the first president of independent ukraine at the age of 89, yes, leonid kravchuk, you know, they say that the dead are either good or nothing but the truth, and the truth is because leonid kravchuk did not bring independence to ukraine, and he was not the creator of ukrainian independence, both the price, both of these opinions that were expressed at the beginning and at the end of this block about kravchuk

, they are not true, at least that's what i think, and as a person who studied studied the period, they researched his, in particular, in our tv series 10 days of independence of ukraine kravchuk was a person who , let's say, he was not like shcherbytsky and it's probably very good, he may not have been like that, i don't know, some others there, some others there nazarbayev, but it's literal. it's good that you can tell by him that he was not the creator of independence, he remained sufficiently pro-russian, pro-soviet, and most importantly, a politician all this time and, er, huge, well, after ukraine elected kravchuk. in 1991, in principle, we asked well, the whole trajectory at the end of which, in particular, is this war with russia, for example, this trajectory of 30 years of wandering, not very great

successes, three revolutions and now a big war with russia, the fact that ukraine became independent, it happened let's say so, not so, with the help of kravchuk, let's say yes, for his relative neutrality. and he supported him going to russia only when he realized that it was possible to become a local local leader, and also because they were afraid that very bad times would come for the communists, and by the way, kravchuk, who a year before all this said that he never i worship lenin, but it’s so simple with my dad there, he speaks at the people’s rus of ukraine at the first congress, too, our question is that he was invited to the first congress for years, well, that’s how it was from the very beginning, there were no chances chornovol v yacheslav maksymovich to be defeated in those elections well, unfortunately, ukrainians chose what they chose for themselves and we then had all these consequences, well, if no one is to blame for this, except for the 350 years of enslavement

of ukraine by the muscovites, except for the weak enough influences. let's say that western ukraine is definitely insufficient . that's all good. let's definitely introduce our guest, because we need to move. we need to move on. and uh, i want to say what, what, i want, that we have oleg sinyutka, a member of the european solidarity committee, who is already in touch with us, mr. leja good evening, good evening, i greet you. i found myself here in a whole small song of birds on the death of leonid makarovych kravchuk, you quite possibly have a slightly different opinion, uh, how much would you like to say in connection with his death? well, there is probably such a ukrainian tradition about people who left for a better world says either well or nothing, but i am convinced that historians will definitely give an assessment of the actions of the first

president of ukraine and when i want this news about the death of course, the historical personality and the person who became the creator of the restoration has passed away independence of ukraine, but probably the first comparison that came to me is the monument to nikita khrushchev, do you remember the sculptor ernest neizvestny, who made half white and half black, because if we are talking about the restoration of ukraine's independence, it is of course the white story of leonid makarovich kravchuk, if we are talking about the scandal with the blazkom concern, do you remember this story of the inexplicable disappearance of one of the most powerful fleets that were not only in europe?

a stain on the biography, then in another period of time when he laid such a carpet in front of today's authorities, absolutely regardless of any miscalculations, and on the other hand, when russia's aggression took place, he very clearly sided with the independence of ukraine 100% - he is a top-level politician. a politician of the highest quality. i am convinced that historians will still write about him and about a person who tried to pass between the drops, only sometimes this road between the drops became the roads on manivka, but once again i say a person who became the first president since the restored independence of ukraine, a person who is related to the act of proclamation of independence of ukraine is definitely worth it to remain a figure in ukrainian history, what is it actually? yes, this is, this is

definitely the right words about kravchuk and i, then i continue immediately to some relevant ones then there a-a p olezhe, what is going on with the fuel market, we have a huge problem with refueling and well, we were told that soon everything will work, but i'm just trying, i'm just me i'm not an economist, i just know a little bit of arithmetic, i understand, but they say that now they will adjust the supply of diesel and gasoline from poland, but i'm looking at orlan and polish gas stations 8 zlotys diesel and 6.50 6.70 even gasoline 95 zlotys this is even if you multiply it according to the official exchange rate, it turns out that we have somewhere in the region of 50, how much is 58 hryvnias. there will be diesel, it is without costs, it is still more or less

bought at retail, what is needed is logistics, it is needed here somehow bring and so on. well, from where such hopes, why don't they release prices or is it possible to release prices, because this will surely lead to an increase in prices for products and goods well, but on the other hand, it can already be seen that this cannot be avoided. there should be 95th and diesel in full, that's how the government representatives promised a week ago that they would deal with the fuel crisis in a week. i don't know if they were incompetent or in this way they wanted to calm the situation but let's be honest that if they asked any specialist, this person said that this is unrealistic because half of the

fuel was imported by traders on the western border of ukraine. so we lost supplies from belarus from russia from the black sea and this is obvious because the war has already been going on for a week, it has been going on for 76 on the 70th day of the war, it was possible to predict that there would be a problem with fuel, but a crisis erupted after the attack on the kremenchug oil refinery, which roughly supplied the ukrainian market with half of the light products, and it seems to me that about the dream that the kremenchug auto-refining plant will not be hit by a missile or will be protected by the vo system. this was a certain illusion because, of course, ukraine's air defense works much better, but we understand that it is not able to cope with massed missile strikes today against all the missiles of the occupier sends to the territory

of ukraine, and of course arithmetic shows that, you know, in order to provide ukraine with fuel, it is necessary to constantly operate, as experts call it, a turntable or echelons that you know how many thousands of barrels, 300 barrels with a capacity of 50 t. well, we understand that this is unrealistic, very short-term, and indeed our polish neighbors, i heard about it today, they can help us in this, and i am convinced that if the government had turned to them earlier, the same as well as to our partners to the germans, that is why this crisis would be resolved much, much faster, that is why after the negotiations that took place in poland, i have more chances that it will be possible to cope with this situation regarding the release of prices, it would be very

quickly resolved the situation because the price would have regulated the supply and demand very quickly, but today's government simply did not take the risk that the prices in the official networks soared, i don't know, to 50 to 60 hryvnias, and of course this gave rise to speculation, as well as any discrepancy between demand and offers, we know today that various dealers are speculating and selling fuel today for 50-60 80, and in telegram channels we hear that they sell fuel for 100 hryvnias if we look at the cost of gas stations in poland, you named the polish leading company a polish company and at gas stations in ukraine, then it is necessary to delve deeper into the pricing process , because the lion's share of the price is the cost of not just the oil pipelines themselves, it is the cost of vat excise taxes, you know that the ukrainian parliament

exempted its petroleum products from excise duty and reduced value added tax up to 7%. it certainly hit the budget, you can discuss whether this is the right or wrong decision. but in order to compare prices, you need to take the specific weight of taxes in the structure of the sale of light products in poland and the specific weight of taxes in the structure of the sale of light petroleum products in ukraine, this requires an in-depth analysis by specialists and only then we will be able to talk about what the price of light petroleum products will be in ukraine that will be imported from poland . that there is one capacity in ukraine, and i am convinced that the government knows about it, which contains a huge amount of diesel fuel, which is enough to instantly flood the market well, but for this you need to take

decision at the level i understand law enforcement agencies and parliamentarians and the government, whether the government will go for it or the government will go for it, it depends on their political decision. there must be a strategic reserve, precisely for the army and for the technical forces, this is not even discussed, that is all that the army needs, even if oil products completely disappear from circulation, we must give everything so that ukrainian tanks and ukrainian armored personnel carriers destroy the enemy destroyed the enemy, we understand that this will have a very negative impact on the economy, because the violation of logistics, because the distortion in pricing will haunt everything, and this is already happening on the market today. but if the army needs it, then the discussion should no longer be conducted in principle which we talked about.

believe me, there are still present in ukraine, we just need political will, and the ukrainian army continues the counteroffensive to the east of kharkiv, several villages have been liberated again. the discussion is so very, very deep because it is of course very important that today the ukrainian army is showing progress and we understand that today those battalion-tactical groups that are concentrated on the territory of the occupier in the belgorod region in the kursk region, they will not be thrown into the donbass into the luhansk region and i am convinced that the enemy will hold them back in order to deter ukraine's counteroffensive in the kharkiv direction, but still the most hot spot. this is donbas today

, because severodonetsk and lysychansk are in the luhansk region which are under threat from the south of popasnaya and from the north of rubizhnoy, there is an extraordinary leap of territorial defense forces thrown there. i see that there is a very big discussion about this, because it is very important for us that we are not prepared ourselves, that ukrainian soldiers have a very clear command on this matter. i am convinced such a very frank conversation should take place at the level of the ministry of defense at the level of the general staff, because today i see that the ukrainian army, which holds back this the attack of the enemy from the other side is under attack, of course the slavic kramatorsk, where they are threatening from the north at the raisin line and from the south at the volnovakha coal mine level , but once again i want to say today i am more

than convinced that we have endured the most difficult period of the war today, we just need to increase supplies to the front line of the equipment that nato countries give us, and i am convinced that this will give us the opportunity to carry out not just a counteroffensive in the kharkov area, but will give us the opportunity to carry out a radical change in the military situation because the howitzers that we receive from the united states from britain are the essence of the tanks that we received from our neighbors the poles give us completely, completely different opportunities on the eastern front we must protect people and we must protect ukrainian soldiers because they bore the brunt of this struggle and i am convinced that by grouping these forces we know, i will say very simply , we have to

trust the ukrainian military. the days of the war have proven their effectiveness, so there is no need to panic, you don’t need to be such self-absorbed pocket analysts, you need to believe in the ukrainian army, you need to believe in the command of the ukrainian army, and everyone in their place should help so that our victory comes as soon as possible. yesterday, we all, one way or another, don’t matter were watching, looking in the direction of moscow, in the direction of the red square, where he was speaking or where he was speaking. to be honest, i don't know, uh, putin, and everyone listened to his speech anyway, at least we know the content one way or another, probably you know the same the content of this speech is what we could hear yesterday's speech of our main enemy , this russian fuhrer. what is he to us, what

conclusions can we draw for us ukrainians who continue to fight, well, first of all, all the experts drew attention to the fact that it was one of the shortest speeches of the bloody dictator kremlin 11 minutes if i'm not mistaken, his speech continued. and of course, as we thought, he devoted the lion's share of this speech to ukraine and muscovy's aggression against our sovereign state. of course that we were worried. of course, many analysts talked about whether he would announce mobilization or whether he would announce the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons or whether he would announce some other kind of brityatina that the kremlin rulers are capable of. you saw that i am convinced that putin was afraid and today, putin is probably giving himself an account of what adventure he got into, whether everything is good or bad

for us. i am convinced that it does not matter for us, because his goal was and will be to destroy sovereign ukraine, his goal was and will be to destroy ukrainians and understanding this listen to what he promises what he explains and it seems that this is a waste of time, we need to organize the defense of our state and we need to prepare for the liberation of the territory, there can be no question that we will agree to peace with russia by losing our territories the territorial issue in ukraine cannot be discussed in principle from crimea to donbas, taking into account the south of ukraine. this is the sovereign land of ukraine and there are no territorial concessions. there is absolutely no need to listen to putin again today, today we need to hear more about what

the g7 countries that gathered on the eve of may 9 and the president of ukraine participated in the conversation, and it was very clearly stated there that the g7 countries are strong of this world will do everything possible for putin to lose this war and having such a large support having the decision of the united states on lend-lease having negotiations today, including with the minister of foreign affairs of germany about the supply of additional industries about the supply of additional tanks we must once again build up our power to believe in the armed forces of ukraine and protect people protect ukrainian soldiers because this is the most valuable thing that we have today absolutely oleg synyutka thank you for this conversation eh so we continue i will remind you that

today we have an important top tempo - this is the fact that leonid kravchuk , the first president of independent ukraine, died in the 89th year of his life, so we will obviously still talk about him and remember him with each of our next guests and this next one the guest is igor reiterovych, mr. igor, it’s nice to see you, yes, actually, i’ll repeat myself again, igor reiterovych, head of political and legal programs, ukrainian center for social development. bbc in front of our program what they started was not a plot, but a block of cool information about the death of kravchuk, which began and ended with the same thesis that leonid kravchuk was actually the founder of ukrainian

independence, he is the person from whom this independence started without him, because it would have been impossible for me, this is a rather contradictory thesis. i know that during 89, 90 and even 91, kravchuk was always in the role of a person who was pushed very hard in the back in order for him to do any steps. and i will remind you that the situation was for the audience, in particular, the situation was such that the democratic and ukrainian forces that wanted independence made up only about a third of the parliament, the rest were communists, just communists, they were all communists, their leader was not even kravchuk, but at first they were their leader gurenko was somehow tempted simply by the post of gorbachev's deputy, he went to moscow and therefore quite by chance became this first president

. kravchuk could not have become stanislav gorenko in reality. but he just then made the wrong choice , and probably for the rest of his life he worried about this, uh, about this well, what my editor tells me is that there is a candidate for ambassador to ukraine, er, to the united states, and we have to take a break with you for that, and then we'll talk about kravchuk, if you allow, so let's see our ambassador to the united states states of the future i am proud that i support the strategic goals of a free europe during five us administrations and i also thank you for the leadership of the entire committee and the work in the balkans, as well as the fight against

russian aggression in central europe, yes, the caucasus. i know that ah america is the most powerful abroad if there is bipartisan support for our national interests now i support bipartisan support for security in europe which is expressed when the two parties i appeal to you to support a sovereign independent ukraine which has you have the right to choose your own future, in particular, in the struggle between autocracy and democracy, between the will and between freedom and radio. ukraine must prevail. freedom must prevail. if i am approved, i will represent the interests of the u.s. in the united states, which means free sovereign, prosperous ukraine and then work with president zelensky and the people

of ukraine because they inspired us in this struggle. i also promise that i will help ukraine to achieve success both on the battlefield and during negotiations. it is important that there are no strategic failures, i will also support humanitarian economic support and support responsibility for war crimes on the territory of ukraine on the part of russia . in order to achieve the strength of the reforms, it will be necessary for ukraine to show itself at this historical moment, and the point is that sovereign and independent ukraine is outside the law

is in the interest of the united states i will also provide security for our diplomats who work at the embassy i understand that there is risk and i will work with our team to balance my risks and take into account the interest of our goals and the interests of the united states i am from the state of my michigan i am also proud of my community and i am very proud that i am a professional diplomat who supports the values ​​and er goals of the usa and we understand that all our products diplomats have sacrificed a lot to lose our country i also want to thank christina queen da te that she supported the work of the embassies in kyiv and we. i look forward to the opportunity to introduce this team. i want to conclude by saying that i want to

thank those who made my presence here possible, first of all my husband nikolas figas, who is now here for his love and support for more than 29 we are proud of our children, jackie cold, who is here. they are part of the diplomatic family. i want to thank them for their service to our country . to my aunts and uncle and also to my mother-in-law and mother-in-law for supporting me in all my work, mr. chairman or members of the committee, thank you once again for the opportunity to answer your questions in front of

your committee. who will be our likely ambassador or envoy, i don't know if it's right for us to be feminine, it seems to us that it's so in ukraine, it's obvious that it's not, well , specifically, very now, such a position, at such a time, the time of the time war, liza, i really hope that, of course, the administration of joe biden in this case is very carefully approached this candidacy. well, in the end, they had a very long time to make this decision. let me remind you that we lived for more than a year, so for two years we lived without an ambassador of the united states, and it is also significant that they were appointed already in the third month of the war after all the ambassador to the embassy and maybe , by the way, the position and well, they are still considering in fact and in the process correctly that they are reminding me just listen and who and who and who noticed who noticed that i actually arrived stanislav gurenko absolutely

in vain because this is not what gorenko exactly he remained, he was the last leader of the communist party of ukraine, and he went and went to moscow at the invitation of kravchuk, the first secretary at the time, and it was someone who was you, it flew out of his head. similarly, this one was also real. so after kravchuk kravchuk left, he says, after gorbachev resigned after the communist party of the soviet union. well , when it was all history, democracy and yeltsin won in russia. is it something or a miracle? for three days, he was formally considered the head of the soviet union, until the treaty was signed. agreement bialovezhskaya pushcha ot he was still considered allegedly the last, he was the general velo of the general secretary of the soviet union, well, the communist party. this is how he has an interesting fate, well, less so, sir, do you really have a word with us? are

there any exaggerations of my role, if you don't mind me ? i'm not sorry. i'm just sorry that it turns out that those people who really fought for this independence and thanks to whom this independence is the same vyacheslav maksymovich chornovil - well, all these people are the same lukyanenko - it's the same yukhnovsky, who is still alive and well, wishes him good health and long years, eh. i don't know. this is the same censor who was recently on the air. well, that is, these are all the people who fought for it. they are not the founders. and when they they appear at some celebrations, who can help themselves to sleep? and what are these two grandfathers sitting on a moped ? well, you know, unfortunately, we simply do not have such a tradition, which exists, for example, in the united states, where the overall role of people is their contribution, for example, the formation of which tatyana malezino thank you very much of course, it's hard. thank you, because i'm just reading it and

it's hard. it's so wonderful. yes, it's not appreciated in our country, but you know. well, the first president, with all his pros and cons, he was a rather ambiguous person, extraordinary, but to some extent unique, because, let's face it, he is unique . the ability to be in the right place at the right time and something by the right people , the right people, and the fact that he had to be pushed, yes, there is no doubt about it, i think history will judge everyone in their places, but even those people whom you mentioned , well, at least the late lukyanenko, yes, they talked about the fact that when they tried to somehow communicate with leonid kravchuk to prove to him their position regarding the independence of ukraine, he did not immediately but insisted on their proposal and in the end the rest did what he did. and by the way, well , today, to some extent, a piece of history probably went away. that is, it was the last third person who put his signature under that well