thank you, it's difficult because it's so difficult for me, it's wonderful, yes, we don't appreciate it, but you know. well, the first president is the first president with all his probably pluses and minuses. he was a rather ambiguous person, extraordinary, but to some extent unique because, well, agree. this is a unique ability to be in the right place at the right time and do something by the right people by the right people, and the fact that he had to be pushed to do this does not cause any doubts, i think that history will judge everyone in their places, but even those people whom you mentioned , well, at least the late lukyanenko, yes, they talked about the fact that when they tried to somehow communicate with leonid kravchuk to prove to him their position regarding the independence of ukraine, he did not immediately but insisted on their proposal and in the end in the end, he did what he did. and by the way , a piece of history probably went to some extent today. that is, it was the last third person who signed the famous

agreement that you just mentioned, because yeltsin died much earlier, recently left the first president of belarus and the first president of ukraine, in principle, all these three people were ambiguous, but they probably did one very important thing and were not afraid to put these signatures and collapse one of the last, perhaps the largest empires, and as a result, ukraine gained independence therefore, you know, it seems to me that we need to wait for a certain period of time, and it's not even years, it's probably still decades, maybe more. and then we will be able to finally correctly assess the contribution of these people and including the first president of ukraine, well, all the processes that took place in ukraine at the beginning of the 90s , and to a certain extent he is probably responsible for the processes that took place in ukraine in the zero years and even the processes that began after 2014, the only thing you have to give him credit, he always understood this situation, if necessary, he could change his position. well, at least in recent years, i had the opportunity to

communicate with him personally, including in such an interview format. if you can say so, that is, we they asked him questions, he answered them, well then he was an extremely patriotic person, let's say his attitude towards the russian federation was unequivocal, he regarded it as an enemy and, by the way, warned that with a high probability a war between ukraine and the russian federation is possible and it is clear that the russian federation will provoke it the federation is here unfortunately, unfortunately, i guess he turned out to be a prophet to some extent. in principle, always express the ukrainian position. well, i don't know. at the end of the 80s, he had a sufficiently patriotic position there, too. but this did not prevent him from pursuing his political life already in independent ukraine, and always being with people who , to put it mildly, were not pro-ukrainian, well, they were nothing, i would say that they were anti-ukrainian, let's

call a spade a spade. i think that somewhere he understood that he had fallen into the wrong camp, and this understanding ultimately led him out of this camp, and after all, the last one his attempts when he was appointed head of the ukrainian tripartite contact group, his efforts to somehow establish, well, this peace process. yes , he was, let's say, well, it was impossible to implement it in the format in which they wanted to implement it. yes, but you, but he at least tried to make some efforts, so at least these last actions of his, his last steps, i think that they left him with more positive impressions than negative impressions, and if i repeat myself once again, what do you know about such personalities? to judge after a sufficiently long period of time when we can comprehensively see how historical events developed, because someone will say that 30 years of independence is a huge period, yes, and someone says that, well, listen, it is a droplet, literally. yes, in the flow of time, it is difficult to evaluate now

. here i will say the following thing. for example, we can look at it from a certain distance, for example, if we were there, for example, if we were americans, we could, without any distance, look at benjamin franklin there and maybe somehow better understand his figure and greatness but if at the same time we are, for example, residents of a reservation and belong to a tribe there, i don't know, the mohawks or siyu or some other large indian tribes, then it is possible that we have a third point of view on benjamin franklin and this is this moment , therefore, of course, i completely agree with you, but we do not really know what the further development of even ukraine will be and what will be understood by the word ukraine, to what extent will it coincide with those axes of ukraine that were in the fathers of the founders of the ukrainian state, but i still do not consider leonid kravchuk to be the founding father of this state, it

was, after all, a completely different group. it was the people's council and its leaders in the verkhovna rada of the first convocation . leonid makarovich's role was reduced to the fact that he simply made the right decision, they came to him, they took advantage of the opportunity. i also saw a certain benefit for myself, the opportunity to stay in politics and, well, not to be drawn, let's say, like the vast majority of other politicians who made up two-thirds of the verkhovna rada at the time and had a communist past for this past to some responsibility, here ukraine is to some extent its own i lost the chance because other countries were just trying to achieve socialism. they led us to illustration. in ukraine, this did not happen, but instead we got independence. no, i have. we are aware that in principle we did not have

of a different elite actually state-owned and than the communist and the communist was incredibly pro-russian there otherwise it would simply have been impossible for this litia to make a career out of those absolutely pro-russian communist leaders who when at the top of the central committee polyp bureau probably kravchuk was one of the most pro-ukrainian probably this is volynskyi its origin was always hinted at and on- well, that's probably why he didn't become bitter at the time. how really kravchuk and it was he who led this movement. of course, we won't do that. belittle him as well as his achievements , what exactly? thanks to ihor reiterovych, well, we watched together at least the speech of the candidate for ambassador a-a to the united states, it was incredible in ukraine, and also very good. i think they talked about leonid makarovych kravchuk's postyk, i'll remind you that today on 89- that year, the first president of independent

ukraine, leonid kravchuk, literally survived a little . after all, they elected some new lukashenka , and after all, there were attempts to start kuchma. we also remember that. well, but uh, it's probably just the ukrainian people through ukraine. without kuchma and everything else , i adjusted him a little and he remained more- the least numbered person so far in this country. well, let's move on , let's talk a little more about the usual military topics and, er, we are in touch with serhiy grabsky, a reserve colonel of grabsky, a participant in peacekeeping missions in cancer and kosovo, a military officer expert mr. sergey good evening good evening mr. sergey it is the second day in a row and the third day

in a row we have very good news from the kharkiv area itself, where ukraine is developing a counteroffensive, how much is it? what is important is that this counteroffensive is there. of course, many people, public opinion, we every day we receive another batch of stories about wandering about the wrong about the terrible trials of suffering in mariupol of the defenders of azov and the ukrainian marines, and of course many would like this counteroffensive to develop in that direction, but you you know, there is a concept that the possibilities are military expediency, and it is based on such possibilities and having the opportunity to concentrate a certain amount of forces in that direction on kharkiv, we talk about the fact that the counteroffensive is carried out in that direction, how important is it? well, of course, we

talk about mariupol every day we may remember our boys who are defending e-e objects in mariupol, on the other hand, kharkiv remains an important object for us, because these counterattacks , which were carried out to liberate settlements on north and northeast of kharkiv effectively made shelling of kharkiv impossible, if i am not mistaken , today there was already a statement from the head of the regional military administration that no explosions were heard in kharkiv today, the first day of the war. and this is very good, but instead it is necessary to understand that one important feature of offensive well, i will not attack. and counterattacks that are carried out in the direction of vovchansk , that is, we advance along the oskol river along the chernihiv reservoir to the north in the direction of vovchansk and in the event of capture or liberation it will be more correct to speak of our city like this. we will already understand that the situation with the

izyum group of troops of the russian federation will be much more difficult, because vovchansk is a rather important railway station, not completely, but partially, we will complicate the maneuver and the possibility of delivering reserves of weapons and military equipment to the izyum group itself that should ease the situation on the donbas front. in other words, this all speaks to the extent to which everything interacts in an interconnected way. today, we are among those factors that currently determine very weak movement, let's say the advance of the russian aa army, western experts also call it quite a lot of rain and quite high humidity, and that is, the soil is wet and they simply cannot carry out any fast and they must move along roads that are easier to receive communications, is

it obvious or not well, warm weather is coming soon, it can make it difficult for us, for example, the situation in the donbass, well, after three weeks of active fighting, we can say that it is not too bad for our situation. after all, we have to to understand that the enemy is not eternal, he is just as exhausted and he is actually acting at the limit of his capabilities, because because a very high number of troops are involved, they are spending very serious stocks of ammunition that they simply do not have time to replenish, that is, for today already to talk about the fact that the natural factor is a determining factor would be a little wrong. i would say ok. and what about us with this high-precision long- range weapon? the united states said that in fact all of these howitzers, at least the m-77, are already in

ukraine, as well as ammunition. does this already have any effect on the character and actually the methods of launching hostilities, what we already know, can we hope for some results? well, we can hope for some results, this is definitely because we are talking about the fact that the weapons have already and it is now being studied very carefully, and therefore it must be understood that 90 divisions and approximately if i am not mistaken, uh, 6 or 8 divisions in total, that is, even if we distribute them throughout our rather large front line, we are at the very we will not see any objective results

. the situation of hostilities, therefore, to say that tomorrow everything will be changed. tomorrow we will go into the counteroffensive, it will be a little wrong, and because we need to get used to that weapon so that we learn to use it and , er, in interaction with other types of weapons that are handed down to us as we have in our arsenal, we can effectively combine them and deliver strikes . we will have weapons. everything will be fine and soon. i can’t say for sure whether it will be in two. in two weeks , in two months, but soon we will already see how these weapons are used on the front line . alain lis what actually means practically that

we can hope that there will be until the end of this war or, ok, until, for example, autumn, we already have literally everything that the americans have, even if it is not the most modern, but everything that i have of the americans, that is, planes, i don’t know, tanks, you you know, you need to read carefully what this document is. i would say about one forest , the lend-lease document is, you know, an indulgence or legitimization issued to the president of the united states. this is the highest, highest level, the highest level of trust of the american and of the establishment and society regarding the possibility of using the powers of the united states to ensure democracy, as they say there, they and langley apply not only to ukraine it also applies to neighboring countries to ensure whether this will mean that we have a non-stop flow of police everything we want no eh definitely not because of that well, you have to understand that dear military industry dear

military industry, it is a little limited and there is such a thing that the concept of national interests of national security and combined should take into account this is an example of this. we can serve as an example of the fact that the stock of javelins, even in american warehouses, is already a little depleted, and that is why the president of the united states asked the producers of those weapons to him with the demand to increase production, so they will be issued, and they will be transferred to us types of weapons and military equipment, which, with the agreement of our side and coordination with the united states, will allow us to transfer this document to lend-lease . everything in that document is not specified. not a single weapon system, not a single cartridge, nothing. this is just a tool for the quick and democratic possibility of transferring these weapons to the consumer. that is, in

ukraine. well, today we are already starting to talk. kuleba said yesterday that ukraine is reviewing its tactical goals in this war and will consider the liberation of all territories a victory, he did not specify whether he also meant the territories occupied in the 14th year, all territories, all territories, all territories are emphasized, and this is exactly what is adjusted and coordinated with the law or the document on the longlist, which talks about the restoration of democratic validity on the territory of all persons of ukraine, there are literally two minutes left , so i still want to ask this question, or a minute from aveo games, the head of the national town of the usa believes that if well, there is conditionally saying he is going to crimea, putin will try to use tactical nuclear weapons, at least. it is likely. we cannot rule out such options. instead, we understand that the use of nuclear weapons is even preparation or

indications of the use of nuclear weapons will cause an absolutely predictable reaction from the countries that are the carriers of such weapons, and it will not be a nuclear reaction or a directorate by the usual diplomatic, political, economic and military means, but not nuclear, it was such a farewell gesture at best , so it will be an attempt at a farewell gesture, thank you very much, serhiy gravsky was in touch with us, uh, well, we continue the broadcast, thank you, uh, gentlemen, we already have the next guest, which i will take a moment to see what is happening with us already on dad's friends, kravchuk died. it's true, it's true , they're questioning it already. roman kulchytskyi also wrote to us that someone's name was difficult. volodymyr ivashko was his name. sorry, friends. i just named gorenka instead , and it's difficult. to be honest, i was still a little small. at that time, well, but it doesn’t excuse me, because

we did even about this film. okay, less about that. and friends, we have a guest next, about 10,000 people are watching us now on youtube, i don’t know how many exactly on television, well, i always assume that it is there are dozens thousands at least here is always much more well, as a rule, it is somewhere in the tens of thousands so we now have our next guest, and this is vadym vasylchuk , a deputy of the kyiv council, a platoon commander of the armed forces of ukraine, this is the territorial defense of kyiv. so , vadim, good evening. good evening actually we will probably talk about are you currently in kyiv oblast, i will allow you to ask yourself, ok, that is, you , in fact, i understand, ok, then uh, it is probably also important to clarify, then we will probably continue to our military topic, of course, again, i don’t know

i will then simply allow myself to ask, what is the current situation at the front, we know that the russians are suffering heavy losses, but they continue to attack with all their might, and they are proud, but they took it slowly, that is, what is the situation now according to your feelings, how well is ukraine holding on, and how is it all well, you understand that we are at a certain point. yes, and we can talk exclusively about it. that is, it has been proven to us that the responsibility we took in that direction, which is now all withdrawn from the city, as well as the units that are adjacent to me, that is, this is my battalion withdrawn, all the companies were withdrawn, and we went accordingly , let’s call it more eastern, yes, we were proven to occupy the corresponding positions. and i understand that there was an expectation on the

corresponding dates, which have now come to pass . thank god, to some extent, i understand that the command was playing it safe, it didn’t work out, and now there will be decisions should be made about how the territorial defense units of the city of kyiv will be used and where they will be sent at the very beginning of the war was the opinion of military experts in particular of the border so colonel landgrant wrote about this that the ground defense should become well, let it be his opinion, it should become the basis for the reserve forces, which will then be able to actually participate in counter-versus acts, actually. maybe this makes sense now, in particular the forces terror defense and i just don’t know ah well, i want to emphasize that the gray

area of ​​territorial defense is now eh, well, a little bit. i think eh. they are deployed more widely than even we imagined it, as if expectations and reality have not come true a little and now we are not enough. probably it is firepower means to a certain extent, that is, more, that is, since we are, after all, light infantry and we do not always have a sufficient number of firearms in order for us to be able to offend the enemy more actively, i am sure that it helps that the allies finally began to provide us much more widely and will be transferred to the territorial defense forces in a timely manner. there are only armed forces and parts that were formed earlier. and this will allow us to more fully apply our knowledge and skills. training is already being conducted in certain units, i think that we will be trained as well and will help our armed forces to win together

. what seems to have been this bush, er, bushmaster, no, bush bush, these words, we, these, what australia gave us, these, these, things. that is, you saw that we already have it, it is already there, it is already at the front, somewhere in the front, it pleases. well, on it's a pity we don't have such a thing. i hope so and emphasize that how only this help will be well, we understand all the logistical problems and because we still have one single corridor now - it is the western border and, accordingly, the logistics are quite complicated, we are all civil citizens, i see, i think they are sure that they we are feeling these consequences, especially regarding pavlov, how is it going with us. now the military is also concerned with weapons, but gradually, step by

step, we are getting these weapons and and this is the most important thing, that is, the main thing is that the general approach to this situation has changed, that these weapons have begun to arrive, especially heavy weapons because ah ah first of all, we are getting, everyone knows. if atgms of various types were to receive more non- lethal weapons, now there are heavy weapons and transport, and this is very important because it will allow us to actually fill up the ranks that we had formed but did not have to this sufficient armament, mr. volodymyr , you still have the same question as to how to interrogate the incumbent of the kyiv city council, but now in the kyiv city council they are going to collect signatures, they are going to rename a large number of streets that are connected to russia or the soviet union, is that so ? otherwise well, it is very often said that people are fighting there in russian, but they are defending

ukraine, and no one disputes this at all, but here you are as a person who is now armed and united. how do you feel about these initiatives of your colleagues? kievans well, i would like to emphasize that i can also speak russian, but this does not mean that we should not carry out decommunization as usual, we must carry out decommunization in exactly the same way, in fact, where the russification of ukraine, and the capital in particular, and therefore i fully support these the initiatives of his colleagues, he himself directed some initiatives. in my opinion, for example, the carcass of the arch of friendship of peoples can be renamed to, for example, the arch of sobornost, which would symbolize the unity of ukraine, but that's already what exactly

we will be for. colonization and de-russification of the capitals. do you think this process is already irreversible and will affect all of ukraine after the end of the war? well, i hear about initiatives in kharkiv, i hear resentment in various other in populated areas, the question is that we already had such an experience. well, you know, when it seemed to us that this process was already irreversible, and then we saw that, unfortunately, there is still a certain setback, because people, well, it is inherent in people when this tension subsides a little, to ease, to soften . - is one's attitude to certain processes a-and that's why it's important here probably this saying a-ah yes strike the iron while it's hot and that we do everything in a timely manner is now in this society's request it needs to be done now and i think that this will allow maximum finally and carry out the russification of the decommunization of ukraine here,

just as we carried out the decommunization and yet i am still speaking now, including as a representative of the ukrainian mass media a-and which is er-er i won’t say independent which is let’s say yes no no not state and not pro-government and this mass media from the beginning of the war. well, not from the very beginning, nevertheless, it encountered such a voluntary, strange and unexplained decision to limit it on the air on its own frequencies. help ukrainian democracy is not help in the state ukraine is help in the protection or defense of ukrainian democracy how do you understand it how important it is during the war to remember about it how important it is after the war well how how much do you believe in particular otaku to say about the

sacred autocracy they can. this is a ukrainian choice. i would like to draw your attention to the fact that ukraine is now associated with the word freedom all over the world. of course , freedom of speech should also be on the flag of this freedom of associative about ukraine. however, we have martial law and i hope that the state does not abuse this, the state leadership now , that is, i, as a military man, still have a supreme commander-in-chief, i have a commander-in-chief , and i cannot criticize the decision at the moment. i am sure that after a - and the end of martial law, we will be able to clearly see whether there was a need for appropriate decisions regarding certain restrictions on freedom of speech or were they still a-a excesses at certain moments, because

we supported everything related to medvedchuk's channels both base and it was a clear need of time and so on about the other. it is difficult for me. i now have less opportunity to follow the media, so ah, i think that time will put these dots in two, but in the end, i emphasize that ukraine is now associated with the first word is freedom, yes and freedom of speech should also be present in our country. well, thank you very much for this answer. vadym vasylchuk, a member of the kyiv council, is non-partisan, as far as i remember. i apologize to the voices. and you are in voice. i was just looking at the website of the kyiv council, maybe they have them there mistake by the way, i remember that you are one of the votes

. in a minute we'll actually have what we'll have, well, we'll show you the voices of america. here's what, and now i'll remind you that you've actually seen this father in the field all this time in the window. one can tell each other this is actually, i understand, the head of the foreign affairs committee of the united states senate and the senate committee itself are currently considering a live broadcast of the candidacy of bridget bring, she already appeared on your screen, and her speech was translated. that they supported her. it looked a little like an award, you know, almost an oscar award, but i don't know, uh, if you can give a

compliment, uh, i'm very nice to receive a person. i think it's ok. so bridget is a brand now she is a candidate running for the post of ambassador or us ambassador to ukraine, she is forming normally, enough, enough, this feminism , that's all. stock of the sbu viktor and agun will be with us, by god’s word we will still have several interesting topics, we will come back after and we will be together until 12:00 party resolution in the senate on recognizing russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and, first of all, the hearing on the approval of the new package usa in ukraine bridge brink i yuliya yarmolenko we are starting the release of the house of representatives