er, not in you and in buch and in other cities, i myself knocked out these old soviet buildings, eh, which were simply destroyed by aerial bombs, and it is clear that eh, eh, they were aimed precisely at eh, eh, these objects that can be destroyed like this - and hospitals or other eh places in order to eh well, as much as possible, eh, how would the loss of human life eh make and therefore in this appeal, which will go to all the parliaments of the world, we not only say that eh russia is a terrorist state, but we call of all countries to name russia's actions in ukraine as genocide is not a war crime, it is not a

crime against humanity, because it is so. and we were the first to sue russia, and we already are. investments , she already says that 40 countries have joined and we urge countries to create a special tribunal, yes , it was already created, and uh, for such a crime in the balkans, in the sierra leone, and even if russia does not participate there, a special tribunal will be issued order order eh for eh understanding and eh all criminals eh even under extraterritorial eh as if universal eh jurisdiction eh even if russia is not present in

this court it will be eh condemned by us countries of the world and we will catch and imprison these criminals uh, from the highest uh, to the last uh , murderers who did it on the field, well, for us, the declaration is very grateful to lithuania. that is, the citizens of russia will be persecuted in your country somehow, or they will be persecuted in some way something will

happen after that only released a lot of laughter in the lithuanian parliament because we pray that these connections were not there because all of these connections are then transformed as if the connections that russia is trying to rebuild its empire, it is worth it, we are ours the turnover from america, for example, increased by 80% last year, we are now going and friends, uh, only free countries. as you know, china bought us all possible sanctions or lithuania. yes, you can, and we will be because of such countries. all countries will behave themselves, but lithuania is the flagship of democracy, like a small one, but it is very big. hello, everyone. send thanks

, vladimir, yes, yes, a very good example. we hope that the parliaments of other countries will also take an example with russia, not just a sponsor. terrorism and the state as a terrorist and the fact of genocide against ukrainians is important. thank you very much, let's move on. yehor tyshkevich, expert of the international and domestic policy program of the ukrainian institute of the future of igor, we congratulate you. good day, peasants, games. uh, in our news, so and so, and here again, eh means mr. well, no, mr. i don’t know who to call you more clearly . какзать и пецоперации this

is how the war is called according to the plan, as the russians say, or as i feel it, i want to underline it again. i feel that the operation has been delayed. the border with ukraine what is this, what kind of impression did it make on you, what is he doing ? what is this? is this a show for putin? for whom? let's go in order eh sama this phrase is a fairly old phrase already from an interview with sasha, it is a press release, and the key one, and i compared it with another phrase, is when he spoke with the military and employees of the state general industry, where he said that tasks in modern warfare can only be performed er, a modern armed army with good support, let’s compare these two

quotes. well, accordingly, he admits that russia has not achieved its goals, and on the other hand, he says that in ukraine, the army has achieved its goals or is achieving its goals, well, accordingly, you can draw conclusions a in parallel with that, the phrase well, not the phrase a-a part of the conversation about the fact that a-a will most likely change the order and the very concept of purchasing new weapons was also very interesting a-a if we talk about the transfer of troops, then i would not make another attempt as of today, which will become a big problem today, because what he says about the special operations forces on the border with ukraine is going to plan the gates there - that's why they are already standing there month, this means that one is withdrawn, the other

is started, if we are talking about spilling whiskey, they made a fuss about the ukrainian changes, well, even the belarusian countries, they will emphasize that this is most likely planned because if we are talking about the pretense of missile troops, then there were uh, four launchers point in and one of the candidates, this is clearly not enough for any problems on the ukrainian channel, and for creating any problems on ukrainian tv channels, the same applies to the transfer of other military groups from let's say this. if we talk about politics well, as of today, lukashenka will try to some extent from confirm and by number. well, if not to repeat the 14th year. it is already impossible. he is aware of it, then at least distance himself from putin as much as possible, and that is why such quotes are also why. let's say that the activity of the belarusian the ministry of foreign affairs is in the western direction and that is why there are certain processes going on, including those of belarus itself, because

i want to draw attention to the fact that, despite the so -called alliance relations with the russian federation, there was a lot of talk about the fact that russia there is close to the state with er on may 9 from lukashenko, but no russian format of the celebration. well, there is the same immortal regiment. it has long been frozen, it was replaced by the belarusian format. and this format has not yet been traditionally held, although this year it would be worth it wait, well, probably hmm , such an ideological curtsy towards russia, but it didn’t happen, and by the way, why wasn’t there lukashenka at putin’s parade? well, then i think that i , according to this question, only because i will try to buy, you said that what is grouped on the borders, that potential is not enough. then the question is why it is being done, what is the purpose in your opinion, very simply, sadness is the author, an autocratic

state, any autocracy, any dictatorship of territorialism, and the top of the pyramid of power is held only when it demonstrates red controls the situation if you don't control your own territory, if you don't control the situation, then the loyalty of even those who support this pyramid will drop. and the fact that the russians attacked ukraine from belarusian territory and those facts of belarus are also an aggressor state, if you use the definition of the united nations organization, this has already created very big problems for lukashenka among his electoral address among those who support him because it is a very unpopular idea to talk about possible possible participation in belarusian military operations this is even more of a blow and this is one of the reasons why he is asking because for lukashenka the number one topic is his own power and accordingly if it is profitable he will be with putin what is not profitable he will

kill putin well it has happened more than once in history, at least on the russian side, i can recall at least two such cases, and when russian troops began to go out for lukashenko to demonstrate, well, the ability to control the territory, it was important for him to introduce belarusian troops and place demonstrative troops in these cities where the russians used to be . well, and accordingly, this is what he does, listen to the games, and does he have a desire? it is clear that he really wants to separate himself from the most brutal crimes there, crimes against humanity, quality there although it won't work in the end, i blew well, but he hopes yes, but does lukashenko have freedom of maneuver because, well, it seems that putin controls him well, more than in all recent years and if well, i just saw such an analyst and i

agree in principle if you could imagine what putin succeeded in ukraine, it is simply his desire to restore the soviet union, he can join there in some form, even the central asian countries , moldova, georgia, etc. the centenary of the soviet union, that is, on december 30, 22nd of the last century, yes. is it possible that he will still press lukashenko, and for some union there, at least this one, or lukashenko will be able to refuse it somehow ? the growing influence of russia on belarusian processes. yes, russia is very well, according to the textbook, according to the notes, it intervened in the

internal political processes in belarus, and thanks to, let's say, heating up the belarusian situation, it used the political crisis of belarus itself in order to strengthen own positions because there was no such dependence on moscow in the official minsk during the entire history of the independence of belarusians, and it was simply not even the worst , the worst times that were before. you can only compare it with the 11th year, when there was a similar situation after the presidential elections, when russia delayed belarus is the customs union, but today the situation is much worse, or shall we say it finally, the nuts are twisted and you can put an end to it well, here there is still a certain chance and because , first of all, it is the mood of belarusian society the second part is that the russian federation does not have, so to speak, the infrastructure for the implementation of political projects, the same

problem manifested itself in the occupied territories of ukraine in the same kharkov, and pay attention, let's say crimea in the 14th year in crimea , there were marginal but pro-russian officials. this is what made it possible for middle-ranking officials to speak with them, not russians, not muscovites, namely, let's say, local collaborators, and in belarus, m.m. lukashenko once again he he loves his own government very much, respectively, if the western opposition was talked about, there is repression against activists, for the most part, and uh, a periodic idea, there is repression, i will try the national infrastructure, if it is this infrastructure he considers it dangerous, then in the russian direction, immediately near the pun infrastructure , according to putin, there is no alternative as of today, ok a who instead of lukashenko, and the task of the russian federation is how to use this influence over the next three to four years to create such an infrastructure so that it is possible

i am counting on russia to elect me, and because if we take the basic sentiments of the belarusian population, then on the one hand, the superficial sociology that is russian , that the belarusian opposition is pro-government. she says that more than 50% are apparently in favor of certain alliance relations with russia, but if you dig deeper it turns out that for a union or even a joint constitution there, from two to a family, there are 12%. and this is a very big problem for the kremlin because, on the one hand, it seems superficial, and we are allies, even from the side of the population, and on the other hand, if to dig, all these phrases, we are allies, they are displayed only in the mood of belarus, more trade games. well, i did not work here yet. i applied the economic factor, or it affects the economy of sanctions, and belarus simply also

suffers from these sanctions in quotation marks. well deserved . deserving but suffering and it will probably get worse and there may be sympathy for such a union, uh, its attractiveness is very doubtful for belarusians, well, that's my opinion, and i don't want to ask a specific question, i heard that's why i want to ask you to be more reasonable to say that lukashenko has prepared or already approved by the parliament some laws on the death penalty for attempted terrorism, that is, pro-ukrainian people such as vtukhovych, friends, were also under threat of execution belarusian oppositionists, whom many people know. you probably also know many people in belarus, and maybe you know about other people who are so good at teralism or try terrorism. is it possible to somehow

save them or somehow influence lukashenka precisely because of this humanitarian issue, are there levers of influence at all in favor of but did they remain in western countries that they could be activated now for the sake of saving people? well, as of today. and if we talk about these changes in legislation, then there is a direct danger if you from the point of view of such legal norms, the time of acceptance is uh, uh, partisans who destroyed the railway infrastructure, there are several people who could be threatened if we take with some auto hoya to go others a-ah, here is a question or a problem for lukashenko in that the first like that he has already been charged. accordingly, it is necessary to reclassify the article. of course, this is not a problem

of an autocratic state, there are dangers. if we try to analyze, you have to be cynical to a certain extent, otherwise they will most likely try to manipulate a relatively small part of people. if we talk about the possibilities of influence , well, unfortunately, yes. the same as in communication with no matter what kind of dictatorial regime, this is a certain measure of lukashenko's trade. now i will try to raise it for now, but in this case, if he wants to thaw, then on condition, well, let's assume the same state, western education , the language of the same countries, there should be a format of s-e, i apologize for life in such a situation of life, ihor tyshkevich , an expert there, international and domestic politics of the ukrainian institute of the future , they talked about belarus, and again they began to

talk about the possibility of belarus joining the army, the situation in belarus is very difficult, and this it is quite understandable, mine is very dangerous for many real belarusians, not those who are half-er, half- pro-ukrainian, namely for ukrainian people, we do not have a ped about ukrainian people and we should not forget about it , our colleague denys kazansky should be in touch with us already a journalist and a member of the ukrainian delegation to the tripartite contact group for the resolution of the conflict in donbas, this is already such a group that seems to be from a past life. to ask your er opinion, today we all continued on the air to remember the first president of ukraine, who passed into eternity, and leonid makarovych kravchuk, and for a certain time he presented, led our delegation in this same tripartite contact

group and tried to find peace er more ukraine and russia, how do you assess his contribution to this, well, you know, i can't say that he did something wrong or that he didn't do something, that he could have done there, the fact is that, in principle, anyone in kravchuk's place would hardly be able to solve anything because the problem in these negotiations, the problem in donbas in general, it was that russia, in principle, also needed a war, russia did not want to go from there, and they demanded from ukraine its own capitulation due to defeat, due to the intransigence of the ukrainian side, we saw this already full-scale conflict, that is, it is also that this is exactly the kind of compulsion to capitulate, but already with all the forces that are in russia, therefore, taking into account that the goals were such, i think that no ukrainian representative, be it kravchuk or anyone else, would agree to

capitulation and, accordingly, the result would be the same, that is, in fact, there was no peace in donbas, russia insisted that we sign the papers she needed right there did not leave donbas in turn, and the war continued there in one way or another, of course in the same form as it is now, but this conflict was never resolved denisa, this energy i congratulate you, i want to ask specifically about the donbas there, the main events, the military is happening now, you are 100% monitoring what can be said about the situation what do you think is important to say now just to our viewers ah about the situation in the region and it is like that you are very attentive watching well

there decisive events are actually happening now well i think everyone and so i know that the situation is actually very difficult and the russians, they are talking about cities in residential areas without any shame. if before there it was still somehow done there during the conflict in donbas, which they tried to disguise as an internal conflict, it is more or less some kind of war. now no one is ashamed anymore and the russians simply destroy, including the heavy navy or us residential buildings and enterprises and do not take into account any losses among the civilian population and throw rockets at the railway stations, as happened recently in kramatorsk, accordingly, the situation there is actually very tragic and the cynicism of the situation lies in the fact that putin constantly repeats that the meaning

of this war is to help donbas, that russia launched this special operation for that purpose. it is an invasion of ukraine to allegedly help the residents of donbas. to allegedly save people there, but in fact there is just a mass extermination of those people, but they have already wiped the whole city off the map, this is mariupol, with the most famous, of course, and smaller towns such as volnovakhi, for example, suffered a lot in rubizhne, and now they are also preparing, i understand, to erase liman the same very much in germany raisin, well , accordingly, they are simply trying to suppress the ukrainian military with such carpet bombing and destruction of everything, just for the sake of seizing the land without people without houses behind some ruins well, i think that judging by what they are doing, judging by their

tactics, they have a head, the main goal is the land, the territory. do you have an answer to this question? you know how to actually analyze putin's behavior. because earlier, before this invasion began, i myself considered these conversations about him being one of the madmen, that he is inadequate, and i thought that this was such a team spirology, some kind of fiction, that in fact, on the contrary, putin is so very sensible that he should act according to some clear calculation, now i am already convinced that russia is acting completely inadequately , it is impossible to explain them from the point of view of some logic, that is, why was it necessary to send in troops, lose a lot of people and equipment, then withdraw, why destroy cities, then capture them, what is

the profit from this. for example, from mariupol, nothing will work there, the population there is either killed, or most of it simply fled because it does not work, the plant was destroyed, and in that form there is a conditional dnr , that is, there is no hole of such a gray zone it is possible to restore everything and make it work normally. therefore, it does not have any, let's just say, there is no benefit from it. it is just some kind of revenge, as it seems to me, an insult to the whole world, first of all, to ukraine, some kind of revenge to ukrainians, and judging by the fact that in general putin talks about ukraine as at the same time, his face becomes even crooked. and he just hates us with a blind hatred. and judging by what his speakers and members of the state duma say, including those who openly say that ukrainians do not exist

in general, ukraine should be liquidated, destroyed. well, they just have this kind of, you know, how the nazis had some kind of blind hatred of jews, absolutely, well, national, yes, which in principle. but putin has the same irrational hatred of ukrainians , i absolutely agree, denis, and i generally always believed that this phrase is so, it is not beneficial for putin, it is the main mistake of ukrainian analytics in the past years, fortunately or not fortunately, of course at such a price, no one uses it anymore, well, at least now i want to ask you specifically about those people from donbas, there are different numbers, but they are all terrible, from hundreds of thousands to more than millions

of people from donbas displaced with their children, children often separated from their parents, displaced to russia, you under what conditions can you know and maybe there is information that they have stopped there now, what do they have the opportunity to do so s-s-s-e-e alone somehow escape there through those three countries and how can we even help it because this is actually a sign genocide and so on is very clear, yes, in fact, there are a lot of people for sure and the number is unknown. russia itself reports that there are already more than a million and these people are in different conditions. these camps and even some people are taken to the far east, someone is trying to leave and in principle leaves, this is also possible, that is, i think that a lot depends on the people, those who fundamentally do not want, who is more determined, he somehow

tries to cause it to get out of this situation leaves through some other countries through european countries from russia, but we know that there are some people who are just like that by themselves, but they were told that it is necessary, yes, go, for example, there in saratov and they they don't try to resist this in particular, they just go because , well, they have to say so, because they are demoralized, they have already experienced the effects of the tragedy , many of them have lost everything, they have lost their relatives, their housing, so just who is in what condition, i know people who escaped in general from these so-called filtration camps that are set up there in donbas , i.e. even this is possible, this happens. maybe even they behave to give an interview later. time will pass and everything will be normalized there, they

will be released there, some probably hope that in russia they will be given some kind of work because, well, people are different and there, i think, every story is individual. all the way through vladivostok, er, ukrainians from mariupol, er, they got through this ring, then through estonia, and now they are ani, now in germany, well, that is, i think that the advice will be correct, as we can give advice to people, just don't rely on anyone in russia no one is needed in principle, especially in her current condition. and to rely on friends, on people who can help just get out of there, she is absolutely sure, and i wanted to ask denys about germany, in the end, then she apologized, yes, education for the crimes of the nazis, but about the russians how are you do you think they will understand or understand what

is happening and this crime that russia is currently committing against ukrainians, well, let's say that germany was forced to do this, and will they force russia to do this? yes, what do i think will be the case? as far as they are, so far they are being introduced, they are tough enough and they will really, i think, have a very serious impact on the russian economy, and in order to remove them, russia will have to sit down one way or another and negotiate with the western world, because what things are going insanely crazy and this is recognized even by many people who in one way or another are now involved in the russian regime, that is, even they are simply shocked by what is happening, i understand that putin has lost the adequacy, since his regime is not eternal, putin is old enough and younger is better it will be wiser already. it is clear that

sooner or later it will happen anyway. it is a matter of time. i think that this is what russia will have to do if it simply wants to function fully in the future and be an integrated world economy for it will have to admit their crimes and pay for them, including paying various reparations. thank you. denis kazanskyi , a journalist, a member of the ukrainian delegation of the tripartite contact group on conflict regulation, well, that was in the past. a full-scale second phase of the war has already opened, because the first one began in 2014. this was a joint broadcast of the atp channel and espresso. ayder muzhdabaev. my name is anna valevska. thank you for watching, as you do every morning. next we have news, and on eva melnyk is ready to tell us everything