i want to say this, yes, yes, but on the topic, no one can pay off. okay, well, there is not a single person, not that it is elastic, not very likely, there is not a single person who cannot . no, they don't own it, i don't know, it's some magyar village from berehovo, hungarian region, i have to explain it to them, well, again, it's very strange excuses - it's very strange stories, it's already started to remind me, i'm sorry for the least favorite moments of the 14th year, when some e- is territorial defense battalions, eh, i won’t tell my native region, they tried to escape naked from the front right to the ilovaisk flank , and then some journalists from the same region, i won’t point a finger, told me that they are actually patriots. well, they have such patriotism.

in the form of you always 100 everything manifests yes we don't have ours yes oniony and it's wrong to react like that how do some react uh, we don't have unfortunately more time thank you very much for today's guests, this is oleksandr kovalenko, the group's military and political columnist information sportsman viktor tregubov, captain of the armed forces of ukraine, see you in a week, for today, thank you, let's move on to the news, even in war there is a miracle that moves, inspires and gives strength to believe in our victory, so we appreciate every moment, wonderful things happen there, you just have to find for yourself everyone

glory to ukraine, this is a verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health, today is the 77th day of heroic resistance of ukraine against the russian occupation, the russian army continues to attack the east and south of ukraine at the same time, the occupier suffers losses in manpower and equipment, as of the morning of may 11, the russians have already lost 26,000,350 personnel, tanks, 1,187 armored fighting vehicles, 2,856 artillery systems, 528 rocket launchers, 185 air defense systems, 87 aircraft, 199 grecocopters, 160 vehicles, 1,997

boats 12 unmanned aerial vehicles 390 special equipment 41 units of cruise missiles 94 the biggest enemy losses of the past day were observed in novopavlovsk kurakhiv and severodonetsk directions about the anti-putin coalition in the world, the possible invasion of russia into moldova and the position of china during the current war, we are talking today with a politician, diplomat and ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine, valeryi chalem p. glory, let's start our conversation from china, not the united states, from russia or moldova, but from china, because yesterday the leader of china announced the need to end the war in ukraine, he had a telephone number a conversation with the president of france, manuel macron, and

in particular, all ding-ping, declared that he respects the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine and advocates a ceasefire, well, at least this is what the elysée palace reports, as is known since the beginning of russia's military invasion of ukraine, china has not publicly condemned the armed aggression of the russian federation and it is clear that china tried to maintain some kind of neutrality because china is the largest trading partner of russia and china expected what would happen next may mean that the current position of china may radically affect the russian-ukrainian war and, in particular, putin's position in this war, and simply put, that the chinese will push putin to leave the territory of the ukrainian state, well, first of all, i will

note that china is of course playing a huge role now and i want to be on an equal footing i want to move forward with the united states. this is his goal, and i will say that if putin had not gone to china and agreed on the positions on the eve of february 24, he would not have dared to go to ukraine , so china did not just take a neutral position, he took a position observantly and it is possible and impossible, i know for sure what offended some people in the leadership of china that putin is losing and that they are at the same table as the loser. that is, it really annoyed them at first, then they counted all the economic points, looked at what there is a problem in the economy, and they then provided more opportunities , which was not the case before, for the bureau of the e-e party of

china in order for them to give the prime minister , that is, the government, more opportunities to find the optimal model in this situation, because china also e will suffer certain losses under russian aggression and not against ukraine, the only thing that is holding china back now is that they have already moved on from such observation, it is really neutrality, but still they see that this is not the position that corresponds to the realities today, the only thing that is holding them back is serious indeed such an anti-american position is always very serious in china in society, but it is also slowly moving a little to the side, and i see these changes taking place, but to say that china is conditionally on the side of ukraine is condemning. i cannot do that today and this, unfortunately, is also evidence of the limits china can afford or want to allow the development of its

influence in the world. if it continues like this, it is unlikely that china will be able to play the role it had hoped for, or it can be said that china has been watching the war until a certain time in ukraine, and when it actually became clear that putin could be defeated in ukraine, and in principle, i think that it is in the interests of china for russia to be defeated , considering that china has great ambitions to develop the russian market and russian territory that they were just waiting for this turning point and the moment when it became clear that, well, in principle, the entire western world united in an anti-putin coalition and china somehow had to articulate its position, even the neutral one that we hear now. well, i think that after all, it was not the case that china

wanted putin to lose. no, because the problem is that if putin was able to advance quickly in ukraine and achieve his goals, we saw that china does not change its position. unfortunately, it is not from him achieving the goals, that is, i am not sure about the actions, er, this is what china does not like now, and they would, of course, like to receive some dividends from a larger, weakened russia there at the expense of lower prices for the generation that the russians are now forced to sell there, because no one wants to buy, that is, they want it, but they do not want to be associated with defeat. they would like more weakening of the united states at the same time, that is, not strengthening the countries of the west, that is, their own role, but i want to

say one thing that is very important, and when we evaluate different countries of the world. i believe that as a diplomat, of course , i will say that each country has its own realities based on its interests, but i'm sorry, when china received ships from ukraine that they made, and it was a carrier cruiser when china took it for nothing and strengthened its defense capabilities the past decades and ukraine has also helped in this, where is the assessment of these actions and if china, er, neutrality keeps towards russia, then i believe that this is a position that should also be carefully watched and the role of ukraine in europe will increase. i believe that china and ukraine will it is interesting and necessary against the background of the falling white that china wanted to have a certain hub before going to europe, so it is

time for them to also go to meet ukraine more and not only putin, and the minister of defense of great britain ben oleks made a speech at the national museum of the ground forces in london, he did not speak regarding the illegal and unprovoked invasion of russia in ukraine, let's listen to a small fragment, the behavior of the russian general staff showed that the first priority for them is the desire to preserve the honor of the uniform, war crimes, the destruction of civilians residents and the casualty rate of their own battalion tactical groups, all this worries them to a lesser extent and the truth is that the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation is failing and they themselves know it so uh, the defense minister of great britain talks about failures and that russia will be defeated not least because of the position, including

great britain, because it was great britain and the prime minister of great britain, boris johnson, who played an important role in the current russian-ukrainian war, and johnson's position valery was told that the role of ukraine after the war, after our victory, will grow in europe. can we expect that this is the axis of security that we have talked about quite often in the last two months, it is great britain, poland and ukraine . what is this triangle? at least it can be a prototype of the creation of some er union or some er community that will arise or has already arisen, it is er that will be organized after the end of the russian -ukrainian war. will grow because it is obvious that in the economy we needed

support and large-scale plans to join the european union, so without this it will be very difficult for us, especially economically, in terms of security, yes, the contribution is already huge. that it will be thousands of tanks there, 200 airplanes, 160 helicopters. imagine the scale we are talking about. in other words, we are actually closing the entire eastern flank of the european union and nato, so i believe that our this is our contribution that has already been made, and what can still be done in the future, the joint contribution to security in europe must not only be properly assessed, we must, and in this case, work very actively

to ensure that immediately after this phase of the war, i have no doubt that we will stop russia to immediately join the collective defense security system. this is the only reliable way to further protect yourself , because we will try, and this is russia. nato is an optimal model as an intermediary can be bilateral or multilateral agreements in these agreements. i think there must be a nuclear state in order to balance the potential of russian nuclear blackmail, it should be balanced by other festivals in order to prevent the use weapons of mass effect , it is the united states, first of all, a nuclear power,

the most powerful is great britain, it can be if you combine the potential of great britain, poland, ukraine , then from the point of view of the operation, well, let's say the third how are the tanks going there now, and such foreign operations? then our potential will be greater. i think why russia? if we talk about the potential of even the number of the population, it is also already comparable. therefore, this is an option, but the intermediate goal should still be a member well , before the war, there was a lot of discussion about whether to join nato or not, even though it is the constitution, our progress to the euro-atlantic structures is fixed, and still, taking into account the experience that ukraine now has in protecting its land, taking into account to that state e-e in that

the condition that the armed forces of ukraine are currently in, taking into account what equipment we will now be provided with thanks to langley and the help of western countries, what is missing in these components for the north atlantic alliance to say that ukraine is a worthy country to be a member of nato well, there are indeed certain standards that apply to different areas. we have an integration program. and if we talk about the area of ​​defense security, you and i saw that, in principle, today, uh, we demonstrate the first priority, well, it's the armed forces they demonstrate, first of all, the corresponding standards, and again, to ask the question, what is a standard in general, that is, the effectiveness of actions against the enemy here, uh, well, today there are no objectively equal ukraine, because in terms of uh, it is precisely the experience of

countering such new threats the threat comes mostly from russia, that is, it is clear that nato really wanted to have ukraine inside from the point of view of the military component of rearmament to nato systems , in fact, nato standards are happening because it is not only the weapons themselves, it is also the calibers, and you see it is after this period that we will actually de facto switch to the nadivian standard in many respects, that is why the inter will be reworked, that is, interoperability will be completely achieved, there is a question regarding the internal development of the country, it is after all the provision of anti-corruption actions, and this is a judicial reform, it is generally after the war controllability and removal of mistakes in the security sector, which were still there, but now is not the time to discuss them. that is, this is a reform, it is necessary for security

and defense, and i believe that it should not take time, that is, in the grand scheme of things, frankly speaking under these conditions, the political decision of the nato countries will be important and sufficient, despite the fact that they are ready to accept ukraine, and the main barrier, let's say, was the fear that russia would go to war against ukraine. yes, russia has already gone to ukraine, that is, in principle, this the apprehensions have been removed, therefore, in the main, a political decision remains after all. i am sure that this window of opportunity is not closed for us. who said that we don't need nato the day before or the one who continues now to say that there are some strange neutralities or some other papers to sign... i

think that this cannot withstand criticism anymore, we have to work and i know that this ukrainian diplomacy is working on this this is what the president of ukraine is saying about this, uh, all the factions are now in the parliament, this is what unites the parliament of ukraine, the presidents of ukraine are from zelenskyi, that is, the only problem. indeed, i can agree that the countries did not say such a word on an empty stomach, but it is such a matter that we need to work on it well ukraine and nato are obviously still afraid of a conflict with the russian federation, even though this conflict is already ongoing. who doesn't see that, well, at least all these warnings that the aid of the north atlantic alliance countries to ukraine, including the military, could lead to the third world war there, what we heard at the beginning the wars of the great wars of russia and ukraine are all going back a little bit. everyone understands that the war is going on and this war is with the whole world. putin says publicly about this that it is a war not with ukraine but with the world, which

threatens the russian federation with something, according to your estimates how long will it take for nato to accept ukraine into the north atlantic lens, it depends rather on how events will develop now, why do i say they are interested, they understand very well that the motivation of their societies regarding the protection of european and euro-atlantic values ​​regarding readiness go to the front and fight, that is, it is much lower in times compared to ukraine, they saw it and they have these very serious questions about the professionalism of ukrainian soldiers that is, all these questions, of course, are arising now , and there are a lot of voices, first of all, of the military and, above all, of the military, for us to join

, that is, politicians will look at the situation, that is, if this decision is made, then of course the position of each country will be important. i think that hmm , obviously countries like germany, there are france, the key european countries in nato, er, they were just historically against it, and still, i believe that the main fear was in front of russia and the attempt to continue business, now it’s already it is impossible and their position has changed, so i believe that it will be more reliable in the future to have a nato border with such russian territory, wherever there are some gray zones between them that have not been established to directly ensure security on this border, so this is a political

decision it may take very little time, everything depends on how this war will end, and in principle, now the future of ukraine and the reliability of security are decided by our armed forces in the first place and the adequacy of these politicians who today the leaders of the states, if they understand it, and i see a change is happening, look, a few weeks ago, the istanbul negotiations declared that neutrality was the optimal model, and i said that it was not realistic, that it should not be rushed that it is unlikely to succeed now, then, frankly speaking, they threw me out as a marshmallow of this only national party because i, er, said that the position should be more balanced

. kuleba declares absolutely correct things, the minister of defense declares the right things , president volodymyr zelenskyy says the same well , that's why i think that we will see a lot of things that were unreal before and the situation is real in the future . i think that there are national interests, there are basic interests for which our soldiers actually give their lives and if just like that, we cannot use this moment for decades to come to ensure the people of ukraine from such tragedies. then it will be a mistake , so i think that all of us, not only the president of the government, of course, should help to try get this model of joint defense and security because she believed that it was more reliable and then no putin would advance into the future. well, i completely agree with you that now is a unique chance for ukraine, not even in the last decade, perhaps in the last few

centuries, to break away from russia and do everything to russia has never again encroached on our territory, on our land, on our cities and on our citizens, at the same time the american intelligence community believes that russia is preparing for a long-term war in ukraine, director of national intelligence in the united states says that there are data that russia wants to further expand the conflict and war in ukraine and break through the land corridor to transnistria, and he believes that russia's victory in donbas, if there is one, will not put an end to the war in ukraine, does this mean e p valery that russia is preparing to invade moldova and this is also another challenge to the world community and the community, although british and american intelligence data there

differ because the british believe that they can only create a bridgehead on the territory of transnistria of the unrecognized transnistrian moldavian republic, the americans are now talking about the fact that troops can enter the territory of moldova, but considering that this year there will be a celebration, well, at least in russia. so, exactly, the centenary of the creation of the soviet union on december 30, should we expect that the next six months will be quite critical for south of ukraine and for moldova, you know, when they even predicted before february 24, many of us, many of the commentators there did not allow a war of such a full-scale invasion, i estimated something in a different way, i didn’t listen to my emotions there, but simply added what is called 2+2, i added four

. so that’s what will happen if they attack the bridge in the zatoka there, the dniester estuary, if they still try to somehow increase the degree of tension there transnistria and find additional people, if they started the rotation, somehow they are still trying to rotate the officers, which means that they are preparing for specific actions, so it is obvious that the movement in the direction of the palanka is here from the north and from the estuary to the south and cut er, well, separate this is the most obvious scenario, what will happen next , i personally believe that considering these kremlin strategists, they go where they are allowed , so if they see that they can quickly seize moldova, they will do it, and it is beneficial to them

, because then they shift their attention to transfer more on this flank, although it is a war from ukraine and beyond, but everyone will discuss whether there will be many discussions on other issues, and then the bridgehead is really from this flank of the attack on odessa, that is, in principle, all the bulls are profitable, and that is why all these attempts are on the snake establish a system of their own and around. that is, it will all go on, whether it will succeed or not, it is necessary to say not what i want or do not want, they want of course they want everything, they want to grab if there was an opportunity, then of course how much could be taken from this empire or the empire is already falling apart, but it is still wants to stay at this level , do you remember how they justified what to do next, only capture additional territories, because otherwise they cannot survive, so whether

they want to continue or not depends on you know about us or from moldova, now you know the territorial defense of odesa and somewhat it is not strengthened even more , the number of people who are ready to stand firm there is increasing, they are constantly walking around the control , that is, now ukraine is actually in defense of moldova, and in the end, i would like to see from moldova, despite the understanding of all the complexities of the situation, it seems to me that in moldova, within moldova, information work is going very poorly regarding the real plans of russia, because these sociological studies that we have recently seen me they were simply impressed, that is, the government of moldova must conduct its work as an informational society, otherwise they will be under attack both from this informational attack and from a real attack, and therefore do not count on what can be checked there, that is, it is necessary to work now in this

regard, not only to make statements carefully so that russia does not attack e- e p valery, the power or ability of russia to go to war against moldova or against the baltic countries or against finland. i don't know what plans they have in the general staff, but obviously after 1945, there was also a lot left there maps and plans that were still drawn during the time of the soviet union, but this ability of russia will depend on economic economic opportunities unprecedented sanctions were introduced by the measure against the russian economy frozen assets russia sergey lavrov says that the idea of ​​borrelia for freezing russian assets in the west is is theft when, according to your feelings, western sanctions will become simply destructive for the russian federation,

not simply unbearable, but simply daily, let's start with the fact that they have not become unbearable today i.e. today, russia has er spends 900 million a day on war and received more than a billion euros actually from the sale of energy, so what kind of intolerance can we talk about if they still have all the additional funds to pay salaries and pensions, that is, intolerance arises when people really start to feel a lack of goods and unemployment increases, cardinal inflation grows and at the same time problems with payments to unprotected articles this most likely begins only in the fall, the first such e-e signals will already be somewhere at the end of june, but uh, there are already sanctions on

technologies, there are sanctions to provide additional technological capabilities to create the same new uh samples of weapons or replenish the spent ones of the same missiles, that is, in principle. in this regard, it is already working, but serious well , the serious economists that i listen to and talk to say that we will really feel the first serious blow in russia like this. as you show, including in stores somewhere around the beginning of autumn, it is obvious that if this continues for a long time, it will be russia in general will put it back to the beginning of the 90s, but it will take more than one year, 1 2 3 years, for this to be the level of the past