what do you think is the most likely option now? and what should it look like in practice? i think that there is an acceptable political option for us that will save lives and allow our heroic defenders to get out. such difficult conditions under constant fire from the opponents of mariupol well, it seems to me that now it is obvious, at least i had some kind of restrained optimism when we saw these visits of the general the secretary of the united nations to moscow, then to kyiv , and when it was successful, the process of evacuating civilians who were there under the protection of our military, but also during this peaceful so-called evacuation, military personnel died and were injured, as well as the

people of azov and i after all, i have certain hopes that politics, the diplomatic way, is still preserved. in what way, it is difficult today, because we know that there were proposals from the people of azov . by the way, please note that in principle, representatives of our military who are there , they propose some scenarios that then, well, in principle, let's say that they acquire something, are really starting to be implemented, but today, everyone, both the government and the military and the command, are thinking about how to get our defenders out of there into this policy, the diplomatic way it seems to me that it remains a priority, it is difficult, because the ways that were proposed, as far as i understand, are to be taken out by sea through the sea of ​​azov with the help of third countries, well, probably turkey may have something else to give

the possibility for our defenders to evacuate in this way they are possible and about see further, although we see that it is extremely difficult, it is possible that there are other options, maybe the option proposed by the vatican because, as you know, even the pope addressed and said that they are ready under the flag of the vatican a ship send to the port of mariupol in order to carry out such an evacuation well, i still have hope that today well, you probably know that the topic is one of the priorities of the world e-e press in the media, it is about how to fight ukraine is an example of our heroic struggle, and one of the symbols of this struggle is the people of azov, we have one such symbol - this is our president, who is very often on the front pages of leading publications, and this is azov, this is our defenders, which is why i still allow that this policy, the diplomatic way, he

will succeed, it's not easy. in fact, it's very difficult , because you know, i'm almost sure. well, i'm not in the process of negotiations, but i can make assumptions, and i assume that putin can set extremely serious conditions. i even assume that he wants to perhaps the president of the united states called him in private about this matter. maybe some other high-ranking officials want him to beg. this is clear against the background of this political isolation deserved for the aggression against ukraine. he may want at least some well, let's say, a breakthrough of this blockade. maybe even such conversations and telephone negotiations are not yet a guarantee that russia and putin will keep their word, because we know that very often they do not keep it, so for today i think that politics, the diplomatic way remains a priority perhaps i do not rule out that it is possible that the

military scenarios are discussed and allow that this is a meat thing , no one will talk about it on the air and of course no one will warn the enemy about what we are planning and that is correct uh and even that when they talk about the fact that there are no such scenarios, well, it is also correct that it is not necessary for the enemy to tell all our plans, but still, for today, i think that the entire society, the ukrainian people, they are definitely united around the fact that it is necessary to save our defenders everyone understands very well, just unfortunately, the enemy who commits genocide against the ukrainian people, who fights against us with all cynical and brutal methods, disrespecting and violating any norms of international humanitarian law . signature regarding the fact that

international humanitarian law and women should be respected, this is something like an exam . today, in fact, they cannot be touched and cannot be opened. they must be given the opportunity to really get out of there and evacuate. and i think the procedure is extraordinary. this one can be applied. it was proposed by the fighters themselves, and in principle, i think it is one. from versions yes , why not, this is an idea that is possible. another question is whether russia is ready to go for it, and there are also such nuances that it is necessary to give a safe corridor to at least our fighters to the port of mariupol so that they can safely evacuate from there to ships that can be, as far as we know, until a

few weeks ago, this issue was not raised, well , at least there was information that this issue could be raised even during the negotiations, which were still held by the turkish president erdoğan with the russian president putin, but judging by the fact that then they discussed and to date it has not been implemented, it was unsuccessful, but knowing even that with which we can say insistence and stubbornness in a good sense, from the understanding of this word, our turkish partners approach the negotiations, it is not excluded that they continue, maybe it will be another country, maybe it will be france, because france, as you know, they also discussed the issue of evacuation, evacuation, the creation of a humanitarian corridor from mariupol, but this is really one of the scenarios that can be , that is, in fact, there are a lot of proposals, if you see ukraine is not just ready to talk about what we are taking away, we are ready to give and exchange russians

, and even medvedchuk, no. many others, just to get our citizens out. that is, we go to any such, let's say, any conversations any negotiations well, here, of course, a lot depends on the russian side, thank you very much for such an analysis, in fact, it was interesting to hear your opinion, but you know, it would be even more interesting and important , after all, for one of these methods to work and for some leaders not only, you know tried e there to offer their help in order to gain a foothold in the diplomatic arena and to increase their karma there in this diplomatic arena and in order for it to really work and for our defenders and people to be e-e returned alive a-a with it's hot, there's no other way to call it, thank you very much for your comments oleksandr musienko , the head of the center for political and legal research, was in

touch with us . the collective of the lviv region and to talk with one of the leaders of the region and what exactly were they talking about? the head of the lviv regional military administration, i ask you to review. i would like to start with the chronology with you, because for everyone this is a special moment in his life in his work and each of us actually

remembers very well how the morning of february 24 began, we we remember how mr. danilov recently admitted that the only thing we didn't expect was an attack from the territory of belarus, so lviv oblast is actually the closest entrance to lviv oblast - it's from the territory of belarus, so what exactly are the challenges posed to you in front of the region and you know how i i understand it came to you after the tanks left belarus, you know february 24, it is impossible to forget, i woke up for work, gathered the law enforcement agencies. we looked at what was being done, did we expect an attack from belarus at this moment, we probably expected it, but on the other hand, we clearly understood what we had to do. volyn volyn was ready for such blows and we understood that we have time to also better prepare to

ionize the defense of our side, the sections that were going, they still came signs somewhere er that somewhere in the defense there might be gaps because what you said about better prepared somewhere and the main directions of attack, we understood that, accordingly, the military informed us about the main possible directions of attack from the rear of that and belarus. in what ways, according to this, did they get in touch, so from the volyn region they understood what was being done in them and the question of readiness and the question that one should always be ready it's not a question of who will always be ready for me. look. well, i wanted to ask you about the rank and file. and who was the head? yes, some civilian of some civilian structure, so what? was responsible for the region, this is the transition for you, so when you were appointed the head of the vtsa, not oda, but the vtsa, and you understood that this could happen, that a war would really begin, and that you would have to perform exactly the

duties of the vtsa, you know, the turning point of the transition, how much was it for you a turning point for a person since february 24, a huge flow of immigrants and refugees began in us. we encountered a flow of people that we could never have imagined. every day, from 60 to 90,000 people crossed the border, we had kilometers of tens of kilometers queues of people with children who were leaving the cars were going, this is a process of a scoreboard, to organize in the right way, to do everything so that the border service, the customs service, the polish side accepts the refugees correctly, and with its side, to establish the possibility of creating conditions for them for the poet, when at home we considered more than 80 heating tents together with emergency services in the lviv region, people living in neighboring villages immediately began to

volunteer and help us with cooking and providing items to the people who were going to war of the first necessity, it was a huge job that would have been impossible without the support of the local population. when the bombs started to fall. and from the other side of the lviv region, and were the first to be shelled and bombed on the first day, so from the other side, it is about this flow of people and the human mountain that suffocated, that is why the transition from from one administration to another administration, he was probably on paper in the heads, not only my head, but those people of my team who worked did not have him. because you never think whether he is the head of the military administration or civil administration, you have the task of establishing a process in wartime, a process that you have never dealt with refugees , internal displacement of persons, the provision of corridors , the opening of humanitarian centers for the

displaced population, you are thinking about the topic not above the position and what is it called, and what will you be perform exactly the duties as a military man, did you ever imagine that, you know, i graduated from a medical university, i had a military department, but to think that one day i will perform military duties for sure no when we were taught there anyway in those days, we probably didn't treat it with the full responsibility of universities, and when you later also had to go and various courses on providing first aid, a couple of medical aid, you never thought that it could be useful in the state - in the state, especially during the war. i think it could be some kind of accident or catastrophe, or some kind of man-made thing, but to really war in the 21st century, i have never thought about being a surgeon

. you know, i could remember my hands and go do something in this direction right now, and i think that in order to do quality work, you need to constantly practice not only your hands, but also your head in that direction, unfortunately , i could not be a good surgeon now, because there is no practice, no to think about it with your head, not to tie knots with your hands, you will probably be able to tie knots as an assistant to a competent surgeon, well, let it be done at least honestly. it's true. and how about you coordinated their activities with the border service, how difficult was it to regulate this

flow? well, because we saw that in the first days there was a flow to poland, now there is a flow in the other direction, and this flow is not always from immigrants, the first days were really difficult and not always understandable we, on our part, did everything to make it possible for people to come to the border on any document other than on a foreign passport on any document in order to be able to unload when for a long time not on the other hand to make it possible for people to go to safe places, the coordination of activities was handled by the administration, and we adjusted the flow of road transport that went from ukraine to poland, as well as rail transport, because lviv also received tens of thousands of people by rail . in order to

ship this flow to poland because it was very large in the direction of transcarpathia and further to slovakia during this time we, the administration, have entertained 335,000 people, this is us, this is 335 people thanks to the administration found a temporary place where you can spend the night and find food, at the moment there are 265,000 such people left in the region . the greatest load on the infrastructure than in any other region. and lviv could also accept you know how to look before that. can we accept people, of course we can because we have to provide people the opportunity to feel at home at home it is in lviv in

ukraine people who want to stay at home should stay at home because this is our future do we have places yes of course we are constantly keeping it under control at the moment it is about 20,000 free places we can provide these are comfortable places, we don’t have 250 e-e locations where internal transfers of people are now located, and unfortunately it’s not only sanatoriums or hotels. and it’s also schools , gyms, and kindergartens here. at one point, there were libraries and theaters. do such places exist or not comfortable places no. but is it the opportunity to get food, basic necessities and a bed? that’s why we are happy to see everyone who finds someone who comes to us. you mentioned the opportunity to feel at home. to make money from the

war, i am talking about housing, including a-a how many such people have been punished and maybe you have some specific cases in your practice because i have i will tell you later you know our task we are not a punitive body we are the administration our task to help and coordinate activities. such cases should be dealt with by law enforcement agencies and they are dealing with them. we on this side have formed working groups that analyze such cases. the people who settle with us, they settle in the places organized by the administrations together with e-e local communities , people who come here and of course, they face various things, but i would really like that there are tens of thousands of cases when people provide their housing free of charge, so we always talk about what was bad, of course for me and it is very unfortunate that such things happen in lviv oblast, when during the war people do not understand the

speech and pain of others and try to make money from this, our task is to work with people, explain and do everything so that this environment people understand that we must be united in this calling help, do other cases happen, we always ask law enforcement agencies to contact and document such things, to write statements so that in the future it is possible to go to the courts and give condemnation to human condemnation and disclosure such cases as this dish on me hmm through the mass media, human condemnation is the greatest condemnation that can be for a person . hmm there. my story is the story of a good friend of mine. she rented an apartment in the first one even before the start of the war. you know when

many people started coming here, and she was offered a price of uah 85,000 for a month, and when the war had already started and when this month was coming to an end. the landlady of the apartment told you until the end of the month, and from next month the price is 125,000 hryvnias for me. so things like this do not cause any emotions except insults. they caused you, first of all, anger and condemnation, and on the other hand, a desire to give publicity to such a person. let 's let's talk about may 9 , because a lot was said the day before. on this day, not in particular, your colleagues, for example, from frankiv region , they even asked people to leave the region. if anyone has such an opportunity, did you receive any information that should be processed? maybe on preemption well, taking into account that a few days have already passed, yes. after this date, maybe you can reveal some details about what

information you had. i think it was more of a pr and a desire to say something in advance. we did not receive any information about the worsening of the situation in the lviv region appealed to the people to keep calm and of course to be as always near possible storage facilities, because there may be, they may be not only on may 8 or 9, but on november 10, 2012, because vova is at war with the civilian population, and with ukrainians he does not fight with by the ukrainian ukrainian troops, there were no such other moments or data regarding the possibility of an attack on may 8 or 9, whatever the extras were. these were ordinary days ago and we called on people to keep calm and live their lives as possible since the war and not succumbed to panic and what for you now on this day may 9 and here in particular this

phrase never again yes never again for sure after the second world war we said never again and lost the very meaning of these words it probably became more decorative and i would like us again felt and understood that this is not a declaration. and what if we say never again, so that it would be less grotesque, less publicity, and more faith in the fact that it should never happen again. i wouldn't want it. i wanted this war to end in our generation and our children. when they say never again, they put a lot more meaning into it than it was. to the meaning and understanding that it will never really happen again. well, let's actually talk about those threats, so if we have already raised

the issue of never again in russian propaganda television, and let's call these people participants in this action of this show. they often talk about dropping a nuclear bomb specifically on lviv . they never understood this region and did not feel it to comment crazy thoughts, this is probably not necessary because it is really nothing, the world probably lives on other shoulders now and after the complete support of ukraine on the world stage i think the possibility of using a nuclear strike on ukraine is also narrowing. i just read, for example , many write in the comments about problems with

shelter in the lviv region, and one of my acquaintances, a colleague, said that at one point during the air shortage, she found herself in the center of lviv and she actually ran as if confused, didn't know how to hide and uh well, they say even the entrances are closed hmm, what do you have with shelters, if according to shelters , almost 130,000 objects fall under the theoretical concept of shelter in the lviv region. that's right first of all, objects with double designation, for example, any basement, basement or underground parking, fall under the shelter object if we take the specialized shelter objects that are under the care of the regional administration, there are almost 900 objects that are designed to provide protection of people who work at critical

infrastructure facilities, more than 200, almost 300 of them, 260 according to memory belong to whales that have to withstand nuclear strikes and chemical attacks, all other premises from those 130,000 are civilian facilities that simply dual purpose and they are on the balance sheets of condominiums, city councils, communal enterprises and the task of people to also emphasize to local self-government bodies and owners about the possibility of using such objects during the war, if we take the city of lviv, then any basement-type restaurant belongs to the object which can be used as a uh as a storage gave the time of the strike if we talk about the damage and the consequences of the

russians, we understand that and lviv is not on the front line, but at the same time, taking into account that there, you track when the number of air alarms in region and the number of missile strikes, you understand that despite the fact that he is in the rear, but he is not in the rear , they have already calculated the damage caused by aa in your region and what was the most painful for you personally, the most is still human sacrifices the most painful is everything else, we will rebuild it, we will correct the information about the damaged objects, we will collect and send it to the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, we will conduct calculations according to preliminary data, the damage caused by the object is about one and a half billion hryvnias information is constantly being clarified but the main thing is, of course,

human lives that no one will return and which object is difficult to restore the most difficult well, and probably the last blow to the critical infrastructure is electrical substations, this is the most recent blow and probably the most difficult to restore because the delivery time of those components quite long in order to completely restore the operation of such substations, how long will it take to restore them , of course, with the supply and components? they talked about the lviv region as a region that the russians don't like very much, but i would like to ask about subversive intelligence groups, to what extent is lviv a favorable environment for such intelligence groups or vice versa, but they are afraid to go to lviv lviv has always been a tourist attraction in ukraine and people loved to come here

to come in peacetime, more than 500,000 people who found their second home there internally displaced persons and 1.6 million people who crossed the border through the lviv region. is this an environment for possible infiltration of other drugs? appealed to people about their vigilance , that is, strangers, familiar cars, and that they report these cases to law enforcement agencies, in the first days we had about 7, from 15 to 17,000 appeals from people at the moment number of schools really yes at the moment, the number from 1,100 to 1,500 such appeals is 10 times more than 10 times less, which speaks of experience, it speaks of the fact that people are probably already

used to those warnings on the one hand, but they still remain silent and report law enforcement agencies, if we take the number of people checked, more than five thousand people were checked by the security service of ukraine, the anti-terrorist center and police officers regarding their possible infiltration and subversive activities, and you personally encountered detainees who really turned out to be saboteurs, we encountered certain individuals who tried to infiltrate the including the military commissariat during the cut and get some information were detained at the beginning of the war for example your biggest dream now we are to win win and then and then and then definitely show

the whole world that ukraine not only knows how to win amen and build its own state for them and be better at it when maksym and you know, i would like our next interview, i will mention this phrase from time to time, and on the air that it will take place on the day of victory on red square, thank you very much for the interview. facebook, thank you. we are from the roots of the city of ukraine, this is a cozy and comfortable kharkiv city of students of science and about