it is quite weak, i.e. there is a stinger, there is air defense up to 8 km, but there are no patriots of finland and there are 64 planes that are better than the warbler well, but still it is not anti- aircraft defense and it has already been purchased but it will only be in two or three years, it will be a very long wait that's why the entry of nato is like a breath of air, what will finland do without knowing if the war starts is unclear. and that's what we see now that britain has signed the weather on the safety of m. by finland, that is, already if the published text. well , because i only saw the press release, i didn't read into it. but i think that in finland it should have been reflected

in the case. well, what are the possibilities, they will start bombing the caliber of us, there are so many ribs, how many russians are there left of those calibers, there are calibers that flew to us, so we already wanted to ukraine, there are nuclear weapons in ukraine, it is difficult to defend against them, and here the question is... common or will britain join or is it in 10 britain i will attack russia in the event that a nuclear warhead flies into finland, then the question of a ground operation, well , russia for that, we ourselves know that it is weak, and well, in general, the finns are quite ready to defend their the land and plus the planes will be pretty good , 64 planes will be enough for a week. and you have

a good deterrence of russia in the air. and it already prevailed. if we talk about the previous russian-finnish wars, in particular, we are talking about the soviet ultimatum and the soviet attack on we understand finland in the 39th year. so, in fact, it was a legendary story for which the russians, even the soviet union, were expelled from the league of nations, but the memory of that war is still alive and then finland was an extremely strong nut, that is, finland did not bend under the russians, although the war was extremely bloody, i am full of that war and the experience of that war, to what extent he is alive now. well , what did you show me now, well, they showed me on the screens of the bomb shelters, ah, a widespread system of

mobilization and training of reservists, eh, that’s right there are those memories of the war, especially people over 40 years old, they remember perfectly what happened during the winter war, unfortunately, young people in helsinki are 15-20 years old, for them it was already a bit far, but when the attack on ukraine began the issue of the war with me 100 has again become timely and the youth, well, thanks to ukraine, remembers its history. it remembers how a- ah prices gave rise to the finnish struggle of ukraine . fewer caliber missiles will fly to finland, and finnish youth remember their history thanks to us. it seems to me that the plan is a minimum performed by ukraine but tim

no less, we still wish very reasonable and rational solutions to the finns in uh, after all, their thinking threats from the russian federation will be conveyed to you. thank you very much for this inclusion. denis pertsev , the head of the association of ukrainians in finland, was in touch with us former chairman yes former chairman thank you and then we will add to the conversation dmytro lubnets, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on human rights, occupation, reintegration of temporarily occupied territories, and national minorities and international relations, my favorite a committee that cannot be learned by heart in the sense of its name. i congratulate you, mr. dmytrenko. good afternoon. we are glad to see you on the air of the espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine, and accordingly, volnovakha is occupied by the enemy . from our experts well, the city of

volnovakha as such does not exist anymore and it was simply more neumotoric than what i heard, if you don't count the news from mariupol, well, the city of volnovakha, you know your relationship with me - this is my hometown and i always i emphasize that the city of volnovakha lives as long as there are people who want to return to ukrainian volnovakha and make everything happen, so in this sense we will return and rebuild. at the moment, in the city of volnovakha , 90% of the infrastructure has been destroyed, there is no electricity, no water, no gas, no ukrainian mobile operators, eh, it remains to live close to 3,000 people, according to our data, is approximately 12% of the number that still lived in volnovas on february 23 of the current year. everything is created for russian

propaganda, only a picture, for example, a distribution they brought two truckloads of humanitarian aid, everyone was grateful to the camera of the russian federation, i came to receive it, and i immediately received thanks to the camera, which russia, well done, they brought the babysitters for easter, they are very small, we don’t even bake them, it’s like a plastic cup, i want to receive one in my hands, thanks to the russian federations how hard was your life here and how grateful are you that you were fired here on may 9, this is a new branch of schizophrenia, as i call it, the city is all destroyed, they just cleaned the central street, the central square they raised it all around the destroyed houses everything around the central square absolutely all the houses

were completely destroyed burned out but everyone passed with red flags and invited it square just in volnovas which was rebuilt there monuments to those who died in the second world war there everyone gathered uh and started to tell that finally here is myrna volnovakha and everything is fine here, well, again, i say that this is being created only for the sake of the russian propaganda machine, no one is going to rebuild it, people understand it, and now mass people are leaving the city, but the problem is whether it is possible for people to leave this city on our territory where there are no russian interventionists, and on the other hand, i have an extremely weak idea, that is, 3,000 people in a devastated place there, i don’t know if there is electricity

, i think there is no water, no gas there is no way people survive there at all, and this is a story not only about volnovakha, there are many cities and towns that were completely destroyed by the russians, simply in the stump of artillery and so on. and then they also launched their punishers , analyze this experience, human shield. they correctly said that people want to leave, but the problem is that now they are told that you can leave only through the filtration camps, first of all they are brought to the city of dokuchayevsk, there they take their fingerprints, identify all the people, then they detain someone and let them pass the next point - this is donetsk and from donetsk if do you want to leave, please rostov region, city of rostov , russian federation, there is the same fingerprinting procedure, ukrainian

papers are often taken away, ukrainian passports are issued with an identity card an immigrant, and they say you can go to several different regions of your federation, all of them are depressed, all of them are near siberia, in the direction of siberia, where there are not enough working cities and there are no other offers. people can not enter ukraine except through the territory of russia. if the filters pass no, they can’t, and moreover, those people who go through ventilation camps, and everyone there goes through them, and they give us information that she tried to leave, well, at least they are not allowed to enter the territory of belarus, and there is a person nearby a citizen of ukraine with a passport with the same ukrainian one who did not go through the filtering camp. well , that's how it turned out. somewhere there they paid less attention to it, or there he leaves donetsk, he is allowed to enter the

territory of belarus and then even to europe. so this citizen of our ukraine is not even released to belarus because ugh, tell us for our common people what this filtration camp is, which is the greatest danger, because we understand that the front line is fluctuating. well, just maybe some good advice to survive that is, they can let it go, that is, they can simply kill those people whom they filter. and that is how it is, unfortunately, we have many cases when they find our boys or girls who took part in the anti-terrorist operation since 2014 and then in the operation of the united forces or elementary had something to do with the armed forces of ukraine, but they are simply destroyed, they are killed only on this basis. and what would i advise, what does it look like

, that is, you are brought to a separate place, you are checked, questions are asked, they are checked mobile phone, men undress everyone, and if there are tattoos or marks from the use of small arms, they pay attention to this at the same time, and they start from the age of 14 to the age of 80, that is, at the same time, they take the family to different offices and start asking questions later for some time, they are keeping them brutal. did everything work out, or did it not work out, or are they again not related to the law enforcement system, for example, we have cases when they force, if it is a former law enforcement officer or a former judge, ukrainian right here to take an oath of loyalty to the dpr, and all this under camera, if you refuse, go to the basement again,

that's the situation, why? well, advice if someone sees my speech - it's definitely. it's just to survive . we have cases in the autumn of activists, we are now establishing exactly where, but the activist for the ukrainian symbol, and it was there for one piece of paper, we are a flag, as we are told, a small flag of ukraine, it was also shot and taken somewhere outside the city, we will now try to find out where is this where is this at all it happened because it was on time. evacuation is what can protect people from going through such an experience, yes , this is another problem, and in volnovasy, we have encountered this like nowhere else. when we encouraged everyone to leave, there were evacuation trains, but they

were half empty, well, people can also be understood somewhere, they are to the last they are clinging to housing, homes, houses, apartments that they built for decades, they collected these funds there, it is difficult for them to move out of someone's life circumstances. well, we have a volnova family in the district, and the heroes did not leave due to the fact that the mother was lying down, and again he was shot right in front of his children, his wife was taken away in donetsk, now she is being kept somewhere in the basement, that is, the evacuation is really from them, we are asking for a coal mine there, velika novosilka , the territory of the luhansk region of donetsk you are leaving the region, because in this way you are already helping the armed forces of ukraine, because we must fight with all due respect. well, no, we should not be involved in evacuation, but they were also involved in this and carried water and are still carrying it. i was there. i

spoke to several families today, they wrote to me through the internet, please help our relatives visit for a coal mine, this is also the territory of donetsk region, there is also a completely destroyed city, but people are sitting there until the last, but now friends of our relatives are asking for help . the results of the meetings of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, we understand that they are currently taking place in such a mode that a-ah well, there were no specific understandings when exactly in what format, but the decision is made er-er what was decided in particular at the last meetings of the verkhovna rada, in addition to how to liquidate the psg faction, well, that happened, no, no, today, we had a meeting today. and we have such new parliamentary traditions, er, it's always before

the start of the meeting that people's deputies sing the national anthem of ukraine live for the first time. i i emphasize, we are all very intently looking at the sector that you just mentioned, are they going up there, singing at the meeting, tell me, please, walk, walk , repent. question. how do you work in the committee with people's deputies who, among other things, are complicit in the fact that this new phase has begun, this phase is active and in fact the destruction of our state? well, they are involved in this. i say. well, i can say as a citizen of ukraine. yes, i sincerely believe that the upsj party is also involved in my district, listen, listen, everyone, it is the representatives of the deputies of the

local councils from the opsj who are now cooperating with collaborators with the russian occupation forces , yes, they are involved, but it is not for me to give them legal authority we have law enforcement agencies, the culprit is guilty, please, let's all work quickly now, you have not convicted me, i am sitting behind bars, it is for the sake of society that we need to show this. it is true, i sincerely want every detention in our country to end with a court verdict, and shufrych goes to the meeting i don't know at what stage i'm at what stage it's a court case or now it's not a court case it's a review by law enforcement agencies well, for now, everyone is singing i don't know, at least they're standing like this this is the first tradition of ours, the second is always the same some of our international guests are speaking, or they are even coming live, and i will tell you

frankly, those heads of parliaments are coming, heads of government are coming, and today we had a speech online, the prime minister of the netherlands, by the way, who has also been speaking since the first day of this activation since february 24 the netherlands showed us how to support ukraine . and this is very good. well, again, i won’t say general things. what exactly was accepted there today? they didn’t accept it, but today they voted on the issue of fossil fuels. in fact, the important thing is the bill number 7269 it talks about the peculiarities of the work of local self-government during the war by its joint decision. as far as i understand, it has been sent for a second reading, actually, tell me a little about what you think about this draft law, because many perceive it, you know, as an attempt to centralize power now, despite the fact that the power is decentralized in

ukraine has shown its effectiveness. let's be frank. well, first of all, here is my subjective point of view. and what concerns the territory where the military takes place, active military operations there should be a clear, rigid hierarchy for quick decision -making, and all power should be concentrated at the level of military administrations . it is better when it will be the army or people who have close communication with the military , everything is directed to them by our deputy group e was not going to vote in favor of this law as a whole. it was because of the fact that the dissolution of the regional councils and the introduction of military administrations was really considered a compromise, and as far as military actions are concerned, this is indeed what was done on

the territory of the donetsk luhansk region is currently the kharkiv region, except for two regions , the zaporizhia region, the mykolayiv region, and the kherson region, all the rest of the territory of ukraine, there are no enemies on the territory , both the military administrations that were introduced on the basis of the decision of the president and the regional councils and district councils that were created on the basis of the elections should work effectively that took place with us in 2020, a compromise was found and put on, as far as i know, not exactly my specification, but as far as we discussed it at the level of our group a compromise was found at the level of all factions, which is sent to the second, re-reading, eh, they are finalizing it at these moments, they return it and we vote, thank you, thank you, mr. dmytro, and finally, i would like to draw your attention to it. well, we are receiving signals there, for example, from the mykolaiv region, people are

crying, people are crying they moan, that is, it is about compensation, and so to speak, a couple of thousand hryvnias that are charged, that is, in particular, from those small cities that were located directly in the combat zone, where people flew in and left from there , but nominally, as far as i know them they don't compensate, they contributed to someone, they didn't contribute, we just keep our finger on the pulse in any case, in the event of something, then we will contact you with local deputies to answer, they appeal. there is a committee on social policy and it deals with payments , the ministry of social policy deals with it, but at our meeting of the committee, namely, yesterday, we discussed it with us. and there were thousands of appeals from our citizens, we made a decision on the following

meeting of our committee, we are calling the minister of social policy and the minister of temporarily occupied territories to listen to exactly how the programs work, how much funding is there, whether there is enough funding, and precisely because what needs to be done so that all citizens of ukraine receive their legal benefits , thank you, we will discuss this with you the next time, after you listen to those two ministers, dmytro lubinets, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on many issues of human deoccupation reintegration of us minorities oleksandr sushko executive director of the international revival fund expert in the field of international relations our next online guest we welcome you mr. oleksandr glory to ukraine we are glad to see you in the studio of the

espresso tv channel in ukraine, on the other hand, we see that russia still has nothing to do with it, it concentrates, tries to occupy the territory, concentrates troops, and continues regular shelling, in particular, of our civilian objects. so, i wanted you to describe the current situation . well, because olaf scholz, so to speak, is hesitant about something, president macron is now saying that the acceleration of ukraine's membership in the european union will be considered in june and so on, so give a broader picture big geopolitical masks , in fact, in relation to ukraine, quite significant changes are taking place in the perception of ukraine, well , the perception of ukraine as a full-fledged european country has taken place, it is clear that the path to membership in the eu, it is short, but it was a few months ago,

many countries did not want to hear about ukraine's membership in the eu at all. and now our application is being considered, and ukraine should become an official candidate next month. this is a huge violation and shift as a person who deals with the issue of european integration for 25 years, i can say that this is the shift that we have been waiting for for many years. as for russia, well, we are not so ready to expect that russia will change its behavior in some way, because the sanctions. i think that behind this authorities, russia's behavior is unlikely to change and we should be aware of this, but on the other hand, russia bears a great price for the policy it pursues in relation to ukraine, and our task is to continue to consolidate key international partners for the sake of their unity for the sake of supporting

ukraine and punishing the country- the aggressor is, relatively speaking, russia will continue to commit aggression against us until it ends as such collective buryats in their army, yes, in fact, we understand that in russia they do not value human resources very much, so yes they are really throwing people and material resources into this war, they are sacrificing their future, but unfortunately they have such an internal attitude, they have convinced themselves that russia, ukraine is an existential problem for them and the population, which is effectively manipulated, mostly supports this policy, so i don't think that in the near future, there will be changes that would close, in your opinion

, or is it possible for russia to open a second front elsewhere? well, in connection with the example there, i don't know about the movements of sweden and finland to nato. earlier, by the way, we talked about moldova and i remember azerbaijan. we mentioned in this context when there were certain movements, but we see that it has subsided a little, so the second front may or may not be, well, russia is unlikely to seriously pull the second flank, we saw that, for example, in order to start a war with ukraine, they transfer their troops here from georgia and from the central asia and syria and from other regions. that is, it is not enough for them to imagine that under such conditions they will still be in finland later, this would be an overestimation of their forces and they can make provocations, they can try to

use their current military resources transnistria is not excluded here. but there are not so many resources there, so i think that there will be no conscious opening of a second front from russia. we understand that there is a question of war, there is a question of post- war revival. they are shelling civilian objects, they are destroying the infrastructure very deliberately, but the information about kremenchug has just arrived, please voice it, the head of the poltava state administration , dmytro lunin, is really reporting that the russian occupiers are in line they all bombed the kremenchug oil refinery, according to the local authorities, at least four shells arrived. so the key question is maybe we don’t need it. well, the plan was very good, but it will be the marshal’s plan sometime later, and here the question is whether we will survive during russian aggression

. and this is very, very rude billions of euros and dollars, how can we think hard about the future and about today, that is, which will be needed later for the restoration of the country, but even now in those areas that have been liberated from the occupation actively the recovery process is starting. therefore, these processes are not mutually exclusive, on the other hand, it is clear that the ukrainian infrastructure continues to suffer, first of all, and which russia considers necessary to destroy, in particular, that which is related to the supply of fuel, and therefore, for the third time, we are seeing an attack on the only oil refinery that worked before war. well, we really love the renaissance fund

. at one time, it did very, very good things in the cultural field. what is the current situation with the fund? and what have you now reoriented your work comes first. thank you for your kind words. i can say that we are working very intensively now, and from lviv and kyiv we provide extensive assistance to our volunteers, but just last week we raised the bar under the contests that we called, we keep the order, which aims to help volunteer organizations support to develop its potential, to expand its activities, we supported 11 organizations, this is only the first stage. we also provide direct assistance to whom

, for example, it was a medical institution from the very beginning of the occupation, we support a number of projects criminals, in particular, the qualified recording of those crimes that take place on ukrainian territory so that in the future this evidence will be presented to international courts, and we are working with a large coalition of human rights defenders in this matter. thank you for this work regarding recorded crimes . the un regarding the humanitarian situation in ukraine and the recent administration of the un high commissioner for human rights announced the recording of more than 3,300 deaths and about three and a half thousands of cases of injuries to the civilian population of ukraine and we understand that these are not even approximate numbers. unfortunately , oleksandr, thank you for this inclusion

. to you as always thank you for your work i say see you soon and we will continue our endless dialogue on the live air of our wonderful informational and analytical marathon khrystyna yatskiv borkovskyi colleague from the radio freedom is being established on the air, congratulations, this is freedom life my name is vlasta lazur, we speak on the pages of radio freedom on facebook and on youtube, as well as on the air of the espresso tv channel russia launched an air strike on novgorod-siverskyi, this is chernihiv region at least three people were killed , according to the chairman of the chernihiv oda vyacheslav chaus for according to him, schools and other administrative buildings were damaged in the city as well