thousands of hryvnias, it can also be bought at charity auctions, as my former colleague oksana did, hello, he says, look, there is such an auction where they give away roosters, but you have to give a lot of money, and let's take part, because they are collecting useful things for our e-e sappers i will deal with it. i want to sort it out for myself at home, put it in a place that is not very visible, preferably so that the cat does not understand, and i will watch and tell my children that look, your mother helped a sapper when there was a war and thus obtained license plates in kyiv. we have to complete our issue. see you tomorrow, friends. good evening. it reminds everyone of the joint broadcast of the channels direct and espresso. we work traditionally until 12

o'clock at night. the only thing i will remind you of is that we will have a short break from 10:30 p.m. to 11 p.m. my colleagues from the voice of america are picking up the broadcast. well here is the 23rd - we will continue today as usual, we will sum up the day. what is happening to talk about the most important thing about what is happening on the front and not only on the front of ukraine and let's start this evening by summarizing a few main theses of the 78th day the war in luhansk region continues, heavy fighting continues, the shelling has increased along the entire front line, and in general, the situation in luhansk region is very difficult, there is almost no communication, there is no water, nor electricity , the situation in mariupol is extremely difficult. seriously wounded fighters to the russians,

iryna vereshchuk actually informed about this. however, she says that the negotiations are extremely difficult, everything is happening step by step and asks to be patient and not to put pressure on them that the process is extremely complicated. well, actually, let 's join our first guest oleksiy hetman, a military expert, mr. oleksiy, good evening, how can you hear, mr. oleksiy , now i'm going to ask a question and i hope we'll be able to connect. here's this uh- m statement from iryna varyshchuk about the possible exchange of 38 seriously wounded fighters from azovstal to what extent is this story, how far is this exchange possible, given that we see how russia categorically treats any proposals, even proposals of third parties about you know the extraction of fighters from azovstal unfortunately, i

can hardly hear you, the sound is lost, you can repeat the question again, because i can hardly understand you, i can find something that goes with the sound, i will really repeat, and iryna vereshchuk announced the possible exchange of 38 seriously wounded fighters from azovstalish what do you think about this, to take away the wounded approach to the meeting will do, well, first of all, it is a so-called cabbage to follow the rules of emergency war if people are wounded and they are surrounded by humanitarian even rights and people have be evacuated. they should be handed over to those, well, on that side, uh, well, which one are they fighting, that is, the topic of electrocuted people to ukraine, if they did not do this, it is already a war crime, and i hope that it will be appropriate before, well, first of all, we will be

the mother of the second period, which are taking part in this middle blockade, respectively, you will be interrupted because we also cannot hear you very well. let's try to dial you back because , unfortunately, the audience simply cannot hear you. now we will have a second attempt. for now, i will continue. he noted a little that what is still happening at the front, the armed forces of ukraine know the russian ship or boat, the general staff reported this without details, however, the snakes report a little more information, in particular, it may be about the power supply ship vsevolod bobrov or elbrus well, just like that, today russia did not fly again russian missiles on the territory of ukraine, first in the morning, russia launched missile strikes on zaporizhzhia, and in the evening on the kremenchug oil refinery,

they say that from 8 to 12 missiles were fired there russia, in general, is constantly shelling the territory of ukraine, air alarms continue almost throughout the territory of ukraine, and when they do not continue, you even begin to doubt is everything okay because you are already so used to it ? people were killed and 12 injured as a result of airstrikes by the occupiers on novgorod-siverskyi in the chernihiv region. well, actually, on international events, because all the attention of the whole world is focused. of course, on the events in ukraine to the war that russia unleashed today, this situation , the war will be discussed by the ministers of foreign affairs of the g7 countries who will gather in germany at the invitation of the head of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, and we will try to contact our

guest oleksiy hetman, military expert, mr. oleksiy, again in the evening good evening glory to the heroes is beautiful now we can finally hear you well the story of iryna varyshchuk's proposal or the attempt to exchange 38 seriously wounded fighters to the extent that this story can become a reality considering the fact that we see how russia categorically blocks any attempts to withdraw from there, even military personnel, even civilians, from azovstal, you know, if the head of rishchuk succeeds in doing this action , er, to exchange our prisoners, well, in any case, it is er- we have to fly because the people who are there are half. i'm sorry for the injuries. the people who are injured need medical attention. well, every

day without proper medical care, their health condition is getting worse. i have a lot of questions for iryna varychuk. i i remember a speech on february 19, when she said that the data about a full-scale offensive is not confirmed. i think that if she does it and succeeds in doing it like the minister, well, then all her conversations that were before the beginning of this phase of the war until february 24 can be considered that she apologizes, but in i have very big doubts not about ms. varychuk, but about the russian military in the russian federation because, well, their actions, i tried to say when there was a bad sound that there are rules and traditions of war and all the rules and traditions of war are written in the un charter. humanitarian law, where such actions are provided for in general, the red cross, which also provides for these actions, how

should one behave with the wounded? well, we know that, for example, the red cross provides aid to the wounded, regardless of which side they are fighting, therefore, blocking the wounded and giving them the opportunity to leave is the same as and block the civilian population that should not take part in military operations, this can be considered as a war crime and as materials for the next court of war or some other tribunal where it will be considered, it is not easy some, well, we understand that people were sharpened and it is very difficult for us to get there so that all the people are freed. well, but the actions of the russian federation are, well, there are failures that happen in any war from any side, and there are war crimes, and these actions of russia are fully falls under all paragraphs under all articles of the criminal code. hmm, because this is a military crime, and

you, as a military expert, should be responsible for this. how do you assess the course of the war as of today? the ministry of defense of great britain reports that russia, after heavy losses, withdraws forces from the kharkiv region, this is a positive signal, or vice versa, they are concentrating all their forces a little further south, how many minutes do we have so that i can understand how to build my answer, we have plenty of time, so please do not limit yourself, i want you the russian federation, it has started full-scale attack from different directions and they did not trust their intelligence i understand er and they were not sure which direction would be the most successful, that is, to attack this rule is not the rule of the russian federation in general, wars should be fought where it is most possible to achieve the fastest success and where the

enemy has the weakest position, they tried to crack kyiv, sumy in chernihiv, they did not succeed, they moved away, they moved their troops to the south, to our east, the dnipro will attack there, let's keep saying what is a throwing cap only a barrel in russian about what, uh, we already almost won this war because they said that in three days they would take kiev well, you know i'm sure they meant it seriously for a long time, the conversation began about what the russian federation wants to do from the land corridor to crimea, to block the sea of ​​azov hmmm, then try to reach the borders of the donetsk luhansk region well, geographical borders and break through to transnistria in order to cut us off from er in general from mary of the sea to

today, uh, they are the goals they set the previous ones, they almost achieved them, they just wouldn't go to transnistria, they made a land corridor to the crimea, there is water to build the crimean bridge well, there is no point because there is already a case if they break it so that it will be more difficult for them, but they can supply weapons and everything else by land, they have gradually moved away from kharkiv, but they are gradually approaching the cardboard geographical borders of the donetsk luhansk regions, by and large they are the goals that were set they almost did it. i agree, i don't remember the name of the american general who said that there is a high probability that russia is wintering in the forces of left bank ukraine and yet they are blocking odesa and will transnistria, that's why it's a mechanical mood. i

'm just really afraid of such pathetic statements of some of our leaders and there speakers or educators who once again talk about the fact that we won this war and the only thing left is to raise the yellow-blue flag over the kremlin we have not won this war today, we have to set ourselves a task. how does it sound like a language, although it sounds like the sound of the lips of a person whom they respect very much. but we need to reach at least the level that was before the beginning of 02.24. the task that we have to fulfill, let me tell you that soon the kuban will be ukrainian if we get there to dorestova and further, for now, russia set unrealistic goals and did not declare in order to laugh at the whole world that in three days they perfectly understood that in three days they kyiv will take and we believed in what they say. this is serious. they told me this just to see the reaction. they did not

plan to take those big cities at all. they do not take them by storm . the operation is for a clean place from the armed forces of the enemy, this is a rule of war, not only russian or ukrainian, this is a rule of war in general. remember leningrad in the second world war, and no one stormed them, so it seems to me that the russian federation is still fulfilling its task . i'm saying i don't want to incite panic i just want us to stop saying that we've almost defeated the russian federation of the russian federation they uh well destroyed 3-5 or a battalion war of critical groups - that's 800,000 people they they supply new ones, they have a lot of preserved equipment although it is old, but it can be used, we must understand that today we have a chance not only to win, as they say, but at least to stop and push the enemies at least to the

borders of 24.02 only if poland it will be supplied to lisa or in some other way through direct channels, but heavy weapons with which we can make contour attacks. for now, this is the weaponry that we have, e.e. air defense means, and well, all that was given to us is that we count javelins it is a weapon for defense, it is a weapon. well, it does not behave well when it is necessary to attack. that is why we need heavy weapons, we need missiles, we need airplanes, it is a pity that we have stopped our missile program. and then we will be able to go to these borders at least on 24.02, and then we will see let's not forget that the russian federation has a lot of equipment. there must be a lot of people, and they don't regret

it. victory because i see what is happening in kyiv, for example, where now people are already behaving the way they behaved during the anti-terrorist operation in 14-19 for almost a couple of weeks without shelling kyiv and people already almost as if there is no war, as if everything good we are winning soon we will be red square let's come to our senses let's realize that the war on ours is over and it can, as they say , the british story when it can become a uh positional war because christians where they are now they are starting to build build fortifications, fortifications, which will be used for further protection, they are taking political steps, they don't even want to be in those places

that they occupied, they don't even want to hold referendums, how they did it in crimea , enough is enough for the speech of some collaborators, and they are already making a decision that this the territory can, according to the decision, well, in quotation marks, the decision of the people, to become part of the russian federation, this is what they are doing. therefore, we still have a long way to go to victory , or at least to get out positions 24.02 therefore, let's take it seriously, and not follow what didn't happen, it's a very bad sign, even if it turns into such and such a form , because there is a very good ukrainian proverb, i don't say wholesale what you won't jump over, let's not say op we haven't jumped over yet, we have chances everything to do it, but we haven't done it yet, and in order to do it, unfortunately, we will have to put a lot of lives and a lot of effort into it, so let's take it seriously and the war, the war continues and it will not end, it will be back

in a month, not in two. i really like the certificate. i thank you very much. well, in fact, it seems to me that i want to believe that the majority of people and everyone remembers that the war is going on, but you said that in kyiv it seems that people have forgotten. i don't think that they have forgotten. people are just people, people. are trying to live and they must live because not everyone can go to the front and fight and not everyone should sit and shed tears if there is an opportunity to try to live, you have to live but i go to the hairdresser listen i am not saying that this is a mass phenomenon i am saying that i am we we all see such and such trends trends, you need to understand the war, it applies to everyone, no, no, if a person does not fight at the front, then he still takes part in this war , be at the table

. that we should all understand that we will all take part in the war, not only our unit of the teroboron and other units, which i agree with and hope that everyone remembers this too. i thank you very much , oleksiy hetman, a military expert, was with us on connection well, i'll just finish what i said about the second world war, the comparison was the same, the war continued all over europe, then all over the world, but people continued to go to the cinemas to visit the food and to raise morale and support the economy, unfortunately the war is like that, we continue to talk about the war and everything related to it with our next guest , oleksandr chernenko, people's deputy of the eighth convocation, mr. oleksandr, evening. good, how do you hear us , good evening, good evening, it's beautiful today

have already officially announced that the opposition platform for life faction has ceased to exist in the parliament. although i understand that this decision has been in place since april, today just the speaker officially announced this. you know, look, ukraine is a democratic state, the parliament is the political forces that the voters vote for, so we understand that some or almost all of them are led by the passengers, which parties, yes yes, factions, they directly cooperated with russia for their money, they are in the information space, and they promoted pro-russian people there. but

again, yes, they found the response of a large part of ukrainian voters . well, they will treat their preferences differently, and on the other hand, the state should actually do what it is. what is it that you are so cool, that is, take care of your information security, take care of your cultural space, take care of the very important crimea the political providers of these russian negatives were very seriously involved in this, yes, the moscow patriarchate, the church, which had a lot of support from the state, yanukovych’s isoches, and , including, there were a lot of people in zelenskyi’s team who, let’s say, created

a favorable background for the existence of the moscow patriarchate to fight especially the passenger is to fight the consequences and it is very good that it has been done now, but there should be more of a broad company here. the war is not the only one, it is not for the ukrainian voters, it is the one who set the right priorities in the ukrainian government, who were still there a year ago, half a year ago, they were talking about some options for a dialogue of reconciliation, when already, well, the troops of the aggressor were on our border, we were talking about there are some opportunities there, there are some agreements, he will put us in his place and i think it is very good that i am open collaborators like the opzzh will no longer have a political thing,

but i would really like you to know latin and hidden collaborators of which there are a lot and there was also the power in power in ukraine, not politically or any other future p oleksandr, it was during your tenure as a people's deputy, i.e. the parliament of the eighth convocation, that amendments were made to the constitution , our euro-atlantic aspirations were established, and i did not i know how our path to the eu and nato would progress if it were not for the war, maybe the war has accelerated this process a little bit, we see that ukraine, well, it seems that it is already halfway, it is almost approaching the door of the european family and they say that in in june, we have a high probability of obtaining the status of a candidate for admission. how do you assess these chances? well, and

our further membership in the european union, eh, look, eh, in fact, ukraine, with its desperate heroic resistance, eh, and resistance, not only for its own sake, to open independence today and from the second european, many people, especially ordinary citizens of the european union, understand that ukraine is now fighting not only for itself, but also for it, and without a doubt, we have increased our chances as much as possible, and we have now received a colossal loan trust, and first of all in european society, and in europe the government is forced to consider itself a separate society, and even as in some countries where it will not be mentioned now, the government did not want a very rapid progress of ukraine into the eu under the pressure of its own voters, actually citizens, they are now they are taking unprecedented steps towards us and

promoting european integration in us, but we also need a credit of trust - you know, it is now very common to hear among many ukrainian speakers there that it is written to the authorities, accept us the european union and then we will meet its criteria, because the european union is not only a formality . yes, we do have a military in our country and our list proves that we are europeans, but europe is not only a feat and self-sacrifice. europe is a fair trial, it is freedom of speech in the european in principle , it is impossible for the union to suspend a-a from the air of the channels because, well, if they do not violate the legislation and the constitution, that is why the people today are promoting that you accept us first and then we will raise ourselves to your standards, he too

many europeans are alarmed because they understand that ukrainians are showing miracles today, but when will they join the european union and ukraine will not move further along the path of reforms, as i said, the rights of freedom of speech, economic freedoms and so on and so on, this will be a big problem for europe today, there is a huge emotional rush, it must be used and we will use it, but this does not mean that we should abandon the compliance of europe with the european standard not only there mentally, yes, but also according to the list of clearly defined lists, therefore, i really hope that

in june we will be granted the status of a candidate, but you also know that turkey has been here for 10 years, if not more, a candidate, but no one in the european union does not accept a small remark and you will continue today the minister of foreign affairs, mr. kuleba, speaking ah hmm in berlin. i understand the big seven themselves. on sincerity, that is, let's see. europe was sincere in in their words, that they support us, that they are with or not, or that this is such a flirtation and we will see how honest and sincere they are. how do you evaluate such a statement, diplomats of the minister of foreign affairs, is n't it a little bit ultimatum in relation to the west, you know the last one at times, most of the statements of the foreign policy

department and the president of the administration are ultimate, this is true and possible at this stage yes at this stage when we need help here and now is justified, but we must understand that mathematics, we will not go far. yes, we needed weapons. we were very harsh. our government said that. and in the end, we saw the issue of the ultimatum . victories in the war are so. obviously, they are needed . the issue of ultimatums is justified. atlantic integration they work, well, you know, as if before time, because you can't always live in the language of ultimatums, and again, if we need weapons today for victory, then

there is a moral right to issue ultimatums if a we need eu membership, but we ourselves are not taking certain steps to comply with eu standards. i am not talking about the military now. i am actually talking about democratic processes, so these ultimatums, well, europe can get tired of them, so i am repeating myself. -e is justified, but this cannot be abused because we can get an absolutely opposite reaction and we already hear some messages there, you know, and they are also justified because , er, ukraine today at the front demonstrates miracles of self-sacrifice and it is beautiful, it is our armed forces forces do, but when the parliament adopts such a law, it forbids foreigners to participate in non-

supervisory councils when we have the issue of current local self-government due to a draft law that even lowers the price in regions that are relatively peaceful the role of local councils, er, this is already a question that european guys can ask us, do n't you want to blame everything on the war, the refusal of reforms, er, he restored from certain er, democratic procedures only because there is a war, that's why e this conversation it will go on again, now everything is needed for victory , everything is for the front but after the victory, the europeans were simply asking questions. okay, you

want to join the eu. welcome. are you in the eu? at the front and reform inside the country and then please welcome . so after the victory there will be a lot of questions and what you mentioned about the supervisory councils of other laws, draft laws and the disconnection of tv channels about ukrainians, well now it is really possible that war is not it's time to ask such questions, but i hope that they will definitely be heard after our victory. and most importantly, we will hear the answers to them, mr. oleksandr. thank you very much for taking the time to join us. quiet, peaceful evening, quiet night. oleksandr chernenko, people's deputy of the eighth convocation, was with us in touch and we are moving on and then we will talk about the economy and for this i am already ready to speak good evening iliana shkadovska economist director of the institute of socio-economic transformation mr. ilya as i hear you, i congratulate you