where, conditionally speaking, there is also an exchange, dear ones, do you want to release , get your people back, do you want us to release, please, treat the fighters from azovstal accordingly , eh. it seems to me that psychologically it could work if the russians valued not only our captured or killed people, but also me we have probably reached the fundamental problem when a country does not value its own people, it is very difficult to talk with it about the rights of our people, the country is a terrorist organization, if you want, reflect on what i said in particular creating an asymmetric situation. »

now we are in touch, it is actually interesting to try to draw parallels between the war in ukraine and what the russian federation did in georgia at different times. well, let's talk about the reintegration scenarios, in particular, of the currently occupied territories, but now we see both finland and sweden are rushing to join nato, someone even in our country spoke optimistically about the prospects of russia opening a second front, which means that it can put less pressure on us, but i will remind you that a few weeks ago at the beginning it will probably be fair to say that this escalated armed confrontation, we talked about the prospects of opening second fronts when other countries that suffered from the soviet , post-soviet e boot of the russian federation will begin to talk, in particular, about their rights to the territories currently occupied by russia, archila is glad to return

to the conversation with you, so what is the answer on the situation in azovstal the possibility of encirclement i do not know the creation of potential cauldrons by our armed forces for the russians i am infantile now tell me please no, you are absolutely right, i think that my leadership has such plans and they will definitely do it, but the second question is how far will they reflect on the opposite side? окресныя как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как как

i’ll throw in later, and in reality, even even we are twice or three times more surrounded by fighters who are also threatened with participation that now the russians want eh for the fighters of the fazoustang who have settled in the air and are tired, it’s not painful. i would say that there are special effects, or there are opportunities to change them, or opportunities to change a situation for a situation. i think it is already 80 percent before 90. again, this is an international stoppage that should intervene because it was not necessary to give it before. process when it was already it is clear that they will not be able to get out of azovstal on their own, then it was necessary to make maximum efforts and try to

do everything you can. it is impossible in order to get these people out of the way. - to the political leadership, this problem can be solved, but the fact is that they must do everything possible in order to get them out of there . all the same, at some point, they will be able to, at least by force, draw some parallels with the armed conflicts with the russian federation on the territory of the currently occupied regions of georgia. of real processes, in particular in georgia, is it possible that the opening of this front now results in the fact that the armed forces of ukraine are not bad at disposing of the russian occupiers on our land. the second front in

georgia, yes, you know, use the historical maybe it would be more correct to say it like that , but at least georgians may have such thoughts now that the georgian authorities have such a thought. for the first time, i had such a thought even in the 14th year. it is necessary to use this situation and not let the enemy concentrate on one direction and it was necessary to make this message in all directions. i think that it is not even necessary to open a front. that's all, well, that's about it, the existing er-er, these unrecognized er-er republics and states will start at some point, and yours already belongs

to the russian federation, what we honestly said already in abkhazia and south we feel that they already do not want to hold a referendum there, and they have some doubts about the fact that russia is an all-powerful state, but at least i would say yes, partisan movement should be very frequent, is it possible to implement all this with the help of the georgian authorities, because it has become prominent now in recent months, i have been in a rather weak position in support of ukraine. in particular, i would even say in support of sanctions against russia to a greater extent. i understand the machine. it is now guided by the moment and is guided by the reality of the understanding and state of the armed forces, and i

think that they are now not in full order , not in full capacity, so to speak, in order to use them for the opening of the second front i and here i am between us, how would i tell you more about my personal conversations and contacts, and i talk to some pregnant georgians and politicians of a not very high level. the answer is the same. yes, we could do that if we had at least a hundredth part of the help and assistance that ukraine now receives. forces so that we could now combat the action is short-sighted to a number of political decisions that should have been taken for years. in fact, this is a

question of the maturity of the practical will and, as a result , the armed forces are really capable of defense or capable of an offensive. with the georgian war, you are becoming political on this, they said that yes, there is some option, that we could think about opening the possibility of a second front there, but you know that we are not quite sure that you are there tomorrow, don't sign any peace agreements and don't leave us alone with the russian federation. what can we do with responsibility then? excuse me, this is called shifting responsibility, and it seems to me that it would be wrong for the country to goof around here . i'll tell you better. i'll tell you what for that

fell in georgia and the pizza of the maximum political military -political how to say support politically speaking, we are the states of ukraine and the state of georgia, if at this level they do not have any high-level relations, then one simply demands and simply waits for georgia to decide for itself something that would not be beneficial to them, there is an open historical opportunity the second front and the return of culture, tactics, as if useless. thank you. architsya, a georgian colonel, a military diplomat, formerly a representative of georgia in ukraine and an adviser to the prime minister of ukraine and the minister of defense on defense reform. a veteran of grozny of the abhay conflict was in touch with us. and now i invite you to the ethereum. i apologize for making

you wait so long. because the conversation is so intense. from the beginning of the program, this is azovstal, this is the possibility of evacuation according to the psychic procedure that the psychic told about. by the way, yesterday our leader mustafa dzhemilev talked about the efforts of turkey, about the response to shoigu and etc. add to this some uh, some cautious eu news on this matter. what is happening now according to your information, yes, it is really here, i took part in this meeting, uh, there. such three directions that the adviser to the president spoke about are the civilian population of uh,

our wounded and er defenders of mariupol as you know in the first direction more or less there is cooperation in the second direction, but now it is being resolved and in the third direction there is no understanding at all, so he said but they continue these efforts and say that after the implementation of the two directions it will be possible to hope for the fulfillment of the third direction, we will also hope for tsn, but guarantees. i understand that. i understand after that meeting that such a manual mode is enough.

that is, no one else there accepts it. is there any decision, it depends only on this criminal himself, then the car. well, we also know that they treat the crimean tatar people this way in principle from the very beginning of the occupation, that is, they are not affected by anything, and we know that if putin is, for putin, it is personally revenge because we know what that is in recent years, only one edem bikirov was exchanged. the crimean tatars simply do not want to let go of the others. they also now treat our heroic soldiers and officers as personal enemies of putin. by the way, there are doctors there named asan . crimean tatar who also appealed to the

horde of ghana and still, well, we will hope that something is working under the carpet, that is , we will not even discuss this any more, no, i want to ask about the process of the so-called e-e court, which ended the day before yesterday in the temporarily occupied crimea where is ours the crimean tatars were given a total of 62 years in prison and they will definitely be taken to the territory of the russian federation. are there any possibilities of exchanging pressure there for negotiations with the mediation of turkey regarding these people, too, and in what condition are they now and what is happening in general with the repressions against the indigenous of the people of ukraine in crimea. i think that now these people understand that this terror will continue and this is not the last so-called

terrorist from russia, verdicts on our activists, they are now very actively working in this direction neutralization of all who can somehow resist in the new occupied territories of the kherson region, for example, there are more, as far as i know, more than 200 people are in the same simferopol who were taken out of the territory of the new occupied territories and the same principles we know about them now, and they have their own snitches who cooperate with the seven fsbshniks, the investigator, the so-called investigative committee , in general, for today, i will honestly say, for four years, we tried, and our public

association and some of our politicians, an analyst so that they don't call it courts and don't call it searches, and finally today they also say that terror is going on in these territories, that a purge is going on there. and this rhetoric is very important because it shows that there is some kind of legal state in russia, which has some kind of organs i had no law and order, moreover, it is very dangerous for us when we prove to our partners about the terrorist state, the terrarium terrorist state can not at all use the principles of humanity or any legal norms. and that's it. now everyone already feels for themselves that these

sentences will continue, but you know, i read the statements of our political prisoners, well, first of all, it's narimanja. but yes, and you know what i feel is that they are even more confident now because the end of this pseudo-state has become closer and that's why they imagine themselves a little yes, what is there to find something in the hands of these criminals and you are sure that ukraine will win and that russia is waiting for such and such a participation as a state that will be fragmented yes into some subjects that for many years

this caucasus , this tatarstan and bashkortostan and others are fighting for their independence, and this is who we are. well, of course they understand that now under such conditions and what kind of political er exchanges there can't be and er conditions yes, but they demonstrate confidence , that is, they are ready to continue fighting in these er camps in prisons and they believe this is a personal front of struggle, this is your car you are absolutely right, they are basically repeating

the path of our leader mustafa dzhemilov, who has absolutely no hope of being released . once, when andriy sakharov came to see him, they did not let him in, he went on a hunger strike, and that is, the situation was absolutely hopeless, but in the end , the truth prevailed and mustafa dzhemilov returned in crimea, our people will return to crimea - they are our winners. our heroes are the same as at the front, they are holding their front. thank you sawa allah tembi. i now want to say what we need now clearly to understand i mean the political leadership and those who influence it now all the attention must be directed to the deoccupation of the kherson region that is, the battle for kherson is the battle for the crimea and everyone should know this clearly and that delay-

postpone this uh-uh this liberation is uh-uh you always have to put crimea in front of yourself like everyone else absolutely right because kherson region is occupied just like crimea is a platform for bigger and bigger crimes they use the territory of people for a terrorist organization russian federation what to say here savelah there vape people's deputy of ukraine, the deputy holo of the crimean tatar people was in touch with us, and before moving on to invite our next guest, i want to tell you this news, let me inform you that the crimean tatar resource center has developed until may 18, this is another anniversary genocide in addition to the tsarist people for a test on your website about knowledge about this tragic event in the

history of ukraine in the history of the crime of the crimean people of ukraine and if you have a desire to learn something more, you can test your knowledge go to the page in addition to the secretarial resource center thank you to everyone who developed this test, it is very useful for children and adults and for all ukrainians, because together we are a peacemaker, we are a single nation , ukrainian crimea, e.e., we are adding volodymyr molchanov e.e., a former resident of the city kherson and i hope that mr. volodymyr will still have such an opportunity. at the same time, a political scientist , volodymyr, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. heroes, glory to each other. congratulations to someone, mr. volodymyr . because kherson oblast must be liberated as soon as possible. well, according to military capabilities. of course. because crimes are committed there every day. what do you know about what is

happening there now? what do you have to tell us? well, i want to say right away that the occupiers are fulfilling their promises . more precisely, it can be called threats, at least on the left bank, there are already pasted advertisements about the launch of school education according to we , of course, programs about the fact that they are recruiting the first classes for the coming school year and about the fact that they they are re-registrating yes yes they called it students of the second 11th grades eh and at the same time they are looking for eh teachers that is eh we are looking for employees and at the same time we are looking for children but besides that they are um actively now the process is going on according to their own yes so to speak, by reporting, because of this communication with the authorities that they do with the

population, few people read their telegram channels there or watch their television broadcasts. so, in most cases, the communication itself is one-sided because of advertisements they indicate a sufficiently large number of entrepreneurs who... the so-called passed the so-called registration procedure for a certain fee in cash, they give permits for the continuation of the work of all possible establishments in the trade of public catering and other business of household services and so on, that is, here i cannot say whether in fact with eh this corresponds to the reality of their numbers but who is trying to work there, will there be such an alternative, or pay the occupiers in addition to the ukrainian budget, mmm, what payments to which

no one has canceled or, of course, have problems with these armed orcs who will come and to close, crush or take to the basement those who do not pay, that is, some kind of official occupying racket has come, these two problems are now key , and i can say one such good news that the head of the military administration of the genichesky genichesk community has finally been appointed, which means that there where the occupiers not only formally, but from their point of view, that is, but actually removed the local self-government and e. because of this , all public servants of the genichesky community, that is the former entire henichesky district, sat for two months without of wages well, in fact, in may, they are sitting without a salary for the time being, this situation will finally be overcome, and that is where the greatest threat

of betrayal was because people were hungry and there is hope that everything will recover and they will receive their salaries on the cards we also hope very much. and we remind you that , after all, it is absolutely necessary to administer the occupied territories remotely, that's why each otg must have its own leader who at least represents the interests of the territorial community, mr. volodymyr. and you have something in particular and also a political scientist's understanding of what exactly the russian federation is planning to do with the kherson region . for example, i have no idea. i will explain why the idea of ​​a referendum was originally planned for april 28. this did not happen. they refused to join crimea, as russia considers it to be its federal district there. in particular, we can see that they are not in a hurry to move on. in fact,

they say that we will apply to the russian federation for accession, and peskovy from the kremlin says that no, it must be resolved at least nominally, at least yes as was the case in crimea, that is, because of the referendum, it is clear that it will be falsified and falsified, but less so, they obviously do not know how to legally cover up the issue of the kherson region. maybe you have more information about what they plan to do with it here , first of all, they have not overcome the disputes within different groups of influence regarding these plans for the future, it would be different of course, they already spoke in unison about what you said in some sequence , it was actually inconsistency, and simultaneous messengers from different centers of influence, this and the central russian administration, which is waiting for what

their main criminal, vladimir putin, will say about this matter, so far he hasn't said anything, of course they can say anything, they can say anything, it's already official when putin apologized for the words of the minister of foreign affairs of laurel, this is such an unprecedented case in world politics, just like once about putin, hmm, someone from the important kremlin leaders also said that he can bear any debt, it’s not a big deal, that is, not about putin. sorry about piskov, that is, they are not responsible for their words even in front of their own audience, the actual audience, and the whole world understands that these people are just talking heads who do not decide anything, and therefore you can say anything you want, but this is not what i am talking about right now the fact that piskov's words do not make

any sense. i am talking about the fact that they do not make any sense more than streimausov. what are the positions of the competitive authorities who promoted the idea, well, that is, he tried to push it somehow, although he did not have any weight even among the occupiers, he tried to push the idea of ​​annexation to crimea as beneficial to the crimean uh, this crimean occupation authority is not talking about it now, it is about the separate existence of the kherson region uh, in any form with its annexation to russia without referendums, because they understand that the referendum is - firstly, it is impossible to carry out even an imitation of it. and secondly, why hold some kind of simple picture where 10 will gather because of a humanitarian worker and put a box in front of them, it is not necessary because russian society and that's all

he will eat it, even without a referendum, at least at the request of some streamausov, but it will not give anything to others, no one will recognize it, only the extra sanctions will be on the same piskov, on his children there, who are still abroad, on lavrov of children who are abroad with and from an official wife from an unofficial one. so, they are afraid of this, and by the way, russian is a classic nazi part of society, because there is an imperial nazi, it is the official government of russia, and there is a classic ethnic nazi, which believes that russia the russian nation is the best in the world. people like that, for example, are criticizing lavrova in every way now in these sandy lavrova . that's why i think that they don't have any plans and now they don't have any. and that's it. will decide on the one

hand the armed forces on the other hand the level of resistance passive active resistance of the kherson people in the occupation if they go for it it is actually a criminal crime although i have not yet been registered, that is, they will send the children to russian education and for the sake of the future, of course this process will happen and after a certain time we let's see the same ones which we now see armed homeless people, what do we call them kherson? thank you, mr. volodymyr , our program is just coming to an end, and the russian nation must follow the russian warship, including and first of all from the kherson region, from all ukrainian lands. thank you for your inclusion of we were volodymyr molchanov, eh, we can talk very specifically about the kherson region, about kherson, in particular, let's return to these conversations. and this is very important . thank you now for the joint broadcast. you can talk.

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