uh, the leaders understood that putin can use nuclear weapons whenever he wants, when it is convenient for him, and firstly, what will happen? world war, it is good that a few nuclear missiles will be launched, but it will not be the third world war, if he does not do this, then actually it will not be the beginning of the heart, but the west can say that in response to your e nuclear weapons, we will use our conventional ones and it will be the end of your army, your armed forces, and we know how to move in all directions, how to work

with all types and types of troops, and this will be the end of your armed forces, and i think that statesmen in the west should not be afraid of this misinformation of russian propaganda and the fear that eh they are advancing in eh western countries russia must eh lose ukraine must win and we constantly have to repeat it putin must lose because putin is a criminal he aggressively started a war eh the fact that he has nuclear weapons is nothing weighs he is a criminal and president biden even said that he cannot remain in power and some say let's give him such a diplomatic maneuver to save his face no this cannot be done russia is taking advantage

of the weaknesses of the west we cannot to do this we must be ready to fight your words and i have completed the participation i turn to general breedlav thank you mr. general i am very glad that you are with us today we heard what the deputy commander of azov said and what we are talking about here in your opinion how do you generally evaluate the progress of the ukrainian army and the strategy, tactics, and in your opinion what is necessary in order to achieve a military breakthrough for ukrainians , first of all, thank you very much for inviting me, it is very nice to participate in this discussion, everyone present here knows very much, i respect it, it is very nice to see the prime minister yatsenyuk and mrs. melinda and mrs.

wesley clark, the first is what i said before when we saw that i am very proud of how the ukrainian military is now showing itself, but the whole world has already seen how ukrainian the army and ukraine are fighting bravely, the whole world was talking about the fact that russia is stockpiling weapons near the borders of ukraine, and now we have seen how heroically ukraine, using smaller troops, was able to strike a serious blow at the troops of this super superpower that pulled the

its territory, so i applaud and admire the heroism of the ukrainian military in all branches of the military. what is needed right now are two things. actually, the first is an internal matter for ukraine, and the second is an external matter for the world. i will start with this, i remember how in my the country's highest leadership said that we will give ukraine everything or we give ukraine everything it needs and i want to applaud my country for what it is doing but we did not do everything and we did not give everything to ukraine that it needs first of all we need to be fast enough give the things that clark talked about, and this and the anti-aircraft fire system, the artist of long-range

artillery, air defense, which is provided, but in an insufficient amount so far, we in the west, we in the united states must provide medium and long-range air defense for ukraine such missiles like neptune and the most modern weapons of this kind that will help ukraine in the battles it is currently fighting, and regardless of what is happening on the ground now in the black sea, russia controls the situation, this cannot be allowed and the west can not allow it. we must provide ukraine with the means to to solve this situation, i heard mr.

clark and mr. yatsenyuk talking about time, time is of great importance, it is urgent, the work must be done, it must be done immediately, immediately, now, provide the right weapons to the right place and at the right time just yesterday as i read that some of our artillery systems are finally on the er front and er some have already arrived in odesa, this is a problem of the ukrainian army they are fighting for the whole world repelling the aggressor super er effort it is our responsibility to provide them with the right weapons in the right place and at the right time, which is important. about seven days ago , it seemed to us that the ukrainians in the east somewhat

slowed down their actions and then almost stopped because they did not have just ammunition it is our fault. we must solve this problem for ukraine, it must be done immediately, and besides, all these conversations that we must give him the opportunity to save face, this is not not to provoke him, no, this is all delusion. we must focus on ukraine winning this war and to provide her with all the necessary means for this and we have certain problems with flights at the political level and our management has to overcome these problems to do it as i said thank you very much sir for your opinion of course we are

very grateful to the administration and both leading parties in the united states for the unprecedented support of ukraine, we definitely won. more you said that it is your fault . those problems at the political level. what you said, i think it's my opinion. you may not agree with me. although i think that mr. clark and merida will agree with me, we at the west are already celebrating if weapons ends up on the borders of ukraine, but i think then it is

too early to celebrate, it is not a measure of success when we delivered weapons to romania or poland, we can choose success when these weapons are in the hands of the ukrainian military on the battlefield so that they can actually hit the enemy with them and i very much believe that we should do everything necessary in order to go further abroad into the depths of ukraine, these weapons would fall when needed so that they could successfully fight against such a tyranny as russia, if we cannot help our personnel, at least we can cooperate with our contracts, as was the case in other places in syria, afghanistan, etc., in order

to deliver these weapons as quickly as possible to ukraine, and here it happens that in poland it is a weapon and 10 days after that the military should stop their fire attack because they have run out of ammunition. no, this is not right. we need to do better so that ukraine really has the means to fight. you said not so long ago why don't we send nato troops into western ukraine for execution of humanitarian missions and the creation of an advanced weapons supply base, despite the fact that this proposal looks ambiguous and there are certain political nuances here that are related to the security interests of ukraine and the united states, but i want to say

one more thing, let's look at russia, for our audience it would be it is interesting to hear your opinion as an expert, as a general, as a person who knows military logic well, what do you think about the potential, the morale of the russian army, their ability to continue the war against ukraine since we see that putin has already been defeated , in my opinion, am i right, do you agree , of course, in the north around kyiv, this company, russia, has definitely failed, and in my opinion, they came to fight a war for which they were ready to expect one thing, but they got something absolute uh, it’s different, and here we definitely see that it might not be anything - the

good ukrainians gave a sniff, in fact, the russians there were defeated by me, or who among us commanded large military forces, knowing that if you start a war starting with a false position, it is very difficult to correct it during the course of the war, and now putin suffers from the fact that their plans were not properly developed from the very beginning and wrong decisions were made, in particular, and based on his work, his aha snails, of course, at a certain level, they felt some pride in themselves. and now they saw what happened in the north of ukraine, they suffered a serious defeat and of course it was quite

serious and affected their morale and fighting spirit in relation to i know a lot about uh, western military science and know a lot about the ukrainian military i can say that we rely a lot on the training of our soldiers and sergeants, this, er, ensures great endurance on the battlefield and for such issues as even nutrition . therefore your troops may be smaller on the battlefield they

command them much more skillfully your young leader young young commanders and this is precisely the hallmark of the western approach to military science because we rely heavily on young lieutenants to the sergeant corps, it is at this level that the most important decision-making takes place. ukraine can be proud of the fact that at this level it is excellent. in russia, there are no great words for this. very intelligent remarks. thank you, mr. generals, for being with us and for our support for ukraine and for your very valid comments, now i would like to give the floor to ms. melindegaret so that she can draw some conclusions and talk about what ukraine needs and what signal we can send to the administration of the united states

and the expert community as the united states and everywhere in the world, thank you, mr. danylo, thank you , prime minister atseniuk, i am very pleased to be with you, with my two favorite generals. i would like to say a few words that are obvious to those who are in kyiv, but not obvious to those who are now in washington, and the first idea is this ukraine will win and we must work on it, the second idea is that ukraine will have a renaissance after the victory of the war and it will have a serious economic and political transformation, it will be reborn and we often talk about escalation, we are deceiving ourselves. it is necessary to pretend that russia can escalate, the general staff spoke about it, now it is necessary to make sure that

ukraine has enough ammunition and weapons, and in washington it is also difficult to imagine how much suffering has been inflicted on ukraine and destroy the name of 20% of the population of ukraine with more than 40 million the population should have left their homes, how many children were displaced either within the country or in the west, and they say that 90 billion dollars of damage was caused, but these are underestimated estimates, we know in mariupol at the place that we are talking about today, in particular, the destruction terrible and it must be documented, it must be realized, we now have satellite images of what is happening from er and we can er now talk about three mass burials of the civilian

population around mariupol, and this tells us that we need to act because these are satellite images show that the human losses are much higher than in buchachi somewhere else and we cannot reach those places we can not send either investigators or journalists there and now i wanted to jump to the idea of ​​what we need to do in washington, we have a changed attitude government and the administration before this war, and at the same time we know that the bill about the allocation of 40 billion dollars to russia was blocked in the senate and now it is necessary that the americans who support ukraine, the ukrainian diaspora, all interested people put pressure on the legislators in order to block was withdrawn and that the money be allocated

as quickly as possible, because time is critical, the troops need ammunition and weapons, and even if it is sent now in time, it is to deliver it directly to the combat zone secondly, i would like journalists to document everything that happens in the filtration camps of russia. we hear a lot of various gossip, rumors , but it is necessary that it all be documented and do it in different ways, or satellites take pictures or talk to people. we hear that some people say, well, supposedly there are such filtering camps, but in fact, we know that this is a fact of life and it must be documented. well, what did you listen to and watch the panels of the

kyiv security forum in kyiv? of the day with serhii zgurets i congratulate you mr. serhii i congratulate you expert defense express well, so the first question ukrainian armed forces began to use the latest british british missiles called brainstone, this is the same high-precision weapon about the supply of which prime minister british boresh johnson spoke a week ago, so some interesting details it has already become known about the front-line application. well, let's talk about these details and listen to you, mr. serhii, please, yes, it is very difficult to immediately switch from a security form where he spoke of himself as a strategic things at the tactical level, on the security level, about the fact that we will win this war, but to win it, we need to have weapons and perseverance and conviction and the desire to win, what the ukrainian military has, just the other day, this secret became known, how we will use the bringstone missiles, which already delivered to ukraine in the form of several hundreds of such e-e samples when british prime minister johnton son spoke

about the fact that we will deliver such missiles to ukraine. he said that we will try to check how they work on ground installations, because it turns out that this missile was used for air carriers with a range of 60 km, they were offered to us for equipping sea platforms, which we do not have yet, and it turns out that today we will use from such ground platforms in the form of gazelles, which can fire these brinstones, but these thrones are today the most technologically advanced example of missile weapons. data where they are located and these missiles find the target themselves with the help of homing editorial processing or with the help of an illuminator there and actually at a distance of 10 km they are guaranteed to hit enemy targets at a distance of up to 10-12 km this

means that we can launch such missiles into the zone a cluster of russian tanks and each such missile, you know, an enemy tank, it is interesting that, in fact, such developments are unique because they allow the possibility of swarm use of this weapon, and this missile weighs only 50 kg itself will be able to solve the combat task with the minimum involvement of the fighter who has to, let’s say , guide this missile, this is a fairly effective example, and we really see that the use of british missiles will soon find targets on an empty battlefield. i understand that how to control this missile complex it's not that difficult, obviously. by the way, when we talk about the javelin, we think it's much easier than the stuvana, because in general, the javelin is a

missile . in the target detection zone is all sea, this part is an earth target, and relatively speaking, the missile itself, in principle, searches for the target and destroys it, here we see an example when there were tests of these missiles on sea targets, how they successfully destroy three boats that were used at a speed of 10.60 km/ in this way , foreign enemy targets can be destroyed, so this particular package of british aid is, in fact, the most interesting from the point of view of the technology that exists today on the missile niva, and we hope that these missiles will reach the front in those points where very it is important to destroy the enemy's manpower and, to a greater extent, their artillery installations, self-propelled installations of the salvo fire system, whatever the enemy is putting pressure on our forces in the donbass, and in general in the east of ukraine. please come back today well, actually today we are planning a rather important and interesting statement by

the minister of defense varshikov, which he posted on facebook and among other things, the minister of defense says that we forced russia to reduce the scale of their claims to the operational-tactical level behind these words. at first, i remember, russia wanted to capture all of ukraine , then it was said that at least a part of it would be cut off from the dnipro, and then it was said that we would conduct an operation from raisin to donetsk and military in capture in the operation of the joint forces , where are our troops located? and now we are simply talking about an insignificant piece of territory that they want to take directly to the severodonetsk zone, where they are trying to conduct hostilities the actions of the border guard and they use means to transfer their troops through northern donetsk, we talked a day ago about how ours

successfully destroyed their crossing where as many as 70 pieces of equipment were destroyed at one crossing, this is a very good indicator of the number and now they are trying to move from pastoral to bakhmut and, in principle, they are fighting for rubizhne, but today the general staff said that in fact no noticeable progress in these directions is taking place, and we are talking about the fact that russia's ambitions have decreased only to a small area of ​​effort where they can use their artillery and personnel, this indicates that in fact this large russian army is unable to carry out the offensives that it dominated from the very beginning. well, i understand that if we talk about the south, our troops are now leading positional battles are being prepared for that well, i understand that we need more of his armed forces, possibly more reinforcements in order to go on the offensive in this area, er, the situation

is quite stable from the point of view of the fact that we we are preparing and the enemy is preparing, but all the enemy's forces, first of all the personnel, are concentrated in the direction of raisin severodonetsk and it is interesting that in fact the direction of raisin in the direction of periwinkle has stopped hostilities altogether, because after the successful offensive on kharkiv they are now forced to withdraw their forces in order to restrain our actions around kharkiv and we understand that these offensive actions of ours were unexpected for the enemy and we are, conditionally speaking, creating the prerequisites for cutting off the russian troops from their border . they even flee abroad by blowing up bridges that somewhat slow down the pace of movement of our troops, and here we see crossings through this northern donets where , relatively speaking, several crossings were destroyed, and

it is very telling that this equipment that is scattered in the forest there is generally a collective salt marsh there and landing equipment and land equipment which suggests that they are gathering these combat groups from what they can gather and will throw them on the crossing, and we can actually see the consequences of these crossings on these changes, zmiiny island, we have literally four minutes left, but we let's talk about this island, well, from the satellite images, you can see sunken enemy ships there, and the enemy has also scuttled the island. well, we will change everything later, of course, but we have painted letters there , and now from the satellite there will be letters on the island , and what is the general situation now and why so it is important to control this small island in the black sea today, the statement of the head of the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense, kyrylo bogdanov, was interesting, as he said that we will fight . this island is so much needed because it is possible in other words, control of this island ensures dominance in the northwestern part of the black

sea, because there is also control over the ports due to the transfer of weapons and the potential risk of the russians using the serpentine as a bridgehead to carry out a landing on transnistria, all these directions of threat exist and that is why really let's say so, the destruction of russian military equipment is extremely important. today we saw satellite images from the muxar-technology company, which showed sunken russian ships that destroyed our submarines baryakhtar tb-2, this is one of the images we can see zmiiny island in the second image we can see one of the er piers in front of which the russian paratrooper is sunk and budanov's statement confirms the importance of maintaining

control over this island. defense to this island, they dragged with their landing ships two anti-aircraft defense armor complexes and one cake - this is a complex that provides an umbrella there at a distance of 20 km above the island and this the operation was possible due to the fact that it was covered by russian fighter jets. i think that they will continue to drag a ship complex like the bal complex there and against it, and now i think that the appropriate move should be on the ukrainian side to once again use our baryakhtars to destroy the next batch of fascists on the island with a snake and these shells and tur, what about the coastguards, the baryakhtar can carry out the destruction of complexes at a longer range than these anti-aircraft guns can work. we just need to correctly

find the place of attack with an overview of what we destroyed about seven samples of air defense that they pulled up on the island of change and earlier, i think that we will find tactics to clear this island from the orks again. well, let's finish it. thank you very much serhiy zgurets, a military expert of defense express and my co-host, mr. serhii will prepare the final issue for you tomorrow on sunday in as i understand it, let's summarize what happened this week. well, tomorrow i will meet with you. finally, i would like to say to remind you of important information to remind whoever may be hearing this for the first time today, for the first time during the war, the minister of defense of the usa, the pentagon chief austin, and the minister of defense of the russian federation, shoigu, well, it is not known there about well, it is known that the call in the usa means that the russians should cease fire. well, literally in 20

seconds. please tell me how similar the call is in general. that moscow agreed to the conversation. i believe that this is actually a symbolic bell because previously the ministry of defense and the general staff generally shied away from any negotiations with spectagon, this is a sign that they actually want to start negotiations, but i am not sure that we are ready to start negotiations under these conditions. thank you very much once again, serhiy zgurets. my name is rezema. i will say goodbye to you until tomorrow. take care. all the best. bbc news of ukraine for your attention. new gossip now they are against ukraine joining the eu - it is the 79th day of the war and we are talking about the main events in the bbc news broadcast live from london a risky maneuver british intelligence believes that despite the loss of russians at will it is in donbas