we are currently on youtube because we unfortunately do not have such an opportunity to appear on your screens right now and you know very well why and about petitions. you also know very well why . go to the link immediately, you will be with us in our family while the occupiers storm azovstal and our military officers heroically resist them, surrounded by civilians who managed to get out of there during the last evacuation , they talk about surviving further, let's be with you let's look at the story of natalia babeush, whom the children nicknamed auntie soup. late in the evening on may 8, new evacuation buses from

mariupol arrived in zaporizhzhia. this was, in particular, the last stage of the evacuation of civilians. bunkers for more than two months, having already lost all hope for rescue, i will tell you honestly, i will not do it, что мы ыйдем и есть вот когда дается в химчистку the registration number, but i wrote the blood group, i wrote the phone number, the mother phone number, because i thought that we would leave if at least they told us that the dogs would not eat us, because people were leaving, the dogs gave up after a little approaching from what they had experienced, the woman told the meeting that they had 5 minutes before she hurriedly collected children's drawings with them, eight children were hiding in the shelter,

they brought them to pass, occasionally the military came and brought food and sweets to the children. natalya became the main cook in the shelter and every morning she invented what to eat, the children gave her the nickname auntie soup, because the youngest boy could not yet pronounce her name, none of the children asked me for anything. they just drew it, and here you are. you understand that you don't have the products well, we just need to cook something and yes, we had a little flour and baked pita bread, we put canned food on top of the pita bread you can go crazy after all, you don't understand whether it's day or evening, and every day the same thing, although everyone tried to do something

, someone cleans the food, someone collects water, someone drains it in order to wash some dishes there or something related already the bunkers did not stop at all, some tried to escape at random and due to constant bombings returned everything was given away, we could not even communicate ourselves, there was no communication, we did not know when the evacuation was being carried out at all, well , no information at all, that is, we were closed from the whole world information of the current streams we didn't know if there was an evacuation. we could only prove that when it was a little bit crowded, maybe people would be taken out again. in which direction should we go if we left? well, people just went for their own fear, and i don't understand if there was an evacuation, talking about their own salvation. they ran knocking off their feet, and the main thing - says the woman who remained

alive, we walked as hard as possible, the children just stumbled and ran away, i myself almost fell, my legs came. of our studio, you just had a chance to watch the story from mariupol, those people who still managed to get out of that horror, and again we will tirelessly remind, we will shout everywhere on social networks, and i call on all our viewers who are now in europe as well they watch so that you join in and are constantly reminded of the defenders of the marines of the azovians who now stand on azov so that the world simply does not

forget about them. i congratulate you. i am glad to see you. good evening, oleksiy , watch a-a. we just watched it with you. i don’t know if you watched the story from mariupol, and i remembered it. i reminded it again of our viewers, in particular, those people, those ukrainians who were able to get to europe to the world, so that they would still remind about the defenders of azov and the steel because there are a lot of people who need to be evacuated by the military, so with heavy, severely wounded, and just a few weeks ago, i talked about the fact that i may have hope for erdoğan certain negotiations that it is possible to work in some direction with a number of reprimands in order to help withdraw our military, and here are also statements from him that he is against the entry of sweden and finland into nato, what is going on, let's

try to sort out this policy with you, oleksiy geopolitics no, the widow is trying to play a role on her own in all the structures that are not included in her everything is covered now it is an election year yes, next year you are his positions in turkey itself they are a little undermined by the terrible inflation that exists in turkey plus migrant issues, that is why he needs this for the geopolitical servants of interests and er. in order to win the elections again, they need to show such er and their geopolitical role in solving several problems there, including and ukraine's war with russia, the proposal that was witnessed by ours

and the turks regarding the conditions offered by dogan and putin, they are very, well, let's say so, very interesting. i think that a better option is basically impossible. that is, it is a guarantee that turkey will withdraw everyone who is now retired from the military is a guarantee that they will not take part in military operations until the end of the war and will be on the territory of turkey. take well here and there the game begins and turkey plays with russia like this, that is, it receives, it does not take part in sanctions against russia, it develops tourism business at the expense of russia, it exports goods to russia, it buys gas there and everything else that we need it, and at the same time, it gives us weapons, sells

uh. at the same time, it advocates territorial integrity, and yes, in all issues, in principle, yes, it is a twosome, and, by the way, the examples of sweden and finland show that turkey does not want. well, let's say, it wants to play this a double game and we continue to see this position, this position is similar to the chinese one, so this conflict is not only a conflict between ukraine and russia, but not so much a conflict between ukraine and russia, it is a conflict between the united states and russia, ugh, and about that. what did you say about turkey? yes, i understand that turkey is trying to play on different fields and still, er, look for a benefit er, well, it is most likely clear to turkey, yes , and that's all, they speak out, they

know perfectly well what they are against they speak out, they want to get such american ugh, they want a lot of men for themselves, well, it’s normal to negotiate eastern policy, we admit it, but not just like that, you owe us something, i’m here looking at more information that israel satisfied estonia’s request and gave permission to hand over to the armed forces of ukraine one a set of missiles + pr is a 5g missile, the system is a high-precision weapon that can operate in any weather conditions, day and night, and also allows you to strike beyond the line of sight on mobile and stationary targets in the sea, the maximum range of the missile is 290 300 km. that's the information that appeared. well,

i know that we have a lot of military experts . the last experts of the sports championship appeared. i am constantly in the russian public and read mostly russian experts first of all. here you see, the leveling of positions, they indicate that this development is not yet concretely perfected, let’s say that it is in a state of completion. that is, let the specialist say how true it is . i spend a lot of time walking there, i believe that i should know my enemy and underestimate the enemy, you and i talked about this repeatedly in the studios, it is not possible i watch ria news , the state duma suggested putting poland in line on denazification, she uttered this word and listen, well

, these are words, these are all words, well, we understand that they can do it anyway, words are words, but we see what is happening now in ukraine . words, but still, they act because uh, and the poles, by the way, i apologize now, i am talking about the poles, by the way, i had the opportunity to communicate with them just recently, who live there on the border with ukraine, when a certain event happened. yes, i mean the rocket explosions on in lviv region, they thought that this was already an attack on them. well, in principle, they do such things for psychological pressure, you understand that this is a normal policy for russia. what was completely successful in strya is successful in russia, that is, if we put

putin's main goal as the prosperity of russia, wealth of the russian people or the strengthening of its power. i think that everyone understands that only his government is hunting him. in the 13th year, having fulfilled all my intentions in crimea and donbas, he established himself. every year, he became more than authoritarian. the leader of the rush of cries now, her brothers, well, in general , that is, he resolved all the issues about maintaining power, so to speak, clearly divided the witness and it will be even worse, so the closure of the country where will it take place ? yes, there is talk of complicity and hinting at nuclear weapons, and the west proceeded from such a logic. well, yes, we really need to do something with russia there. well, perhaps it is already clear that this will not draw

russia into europe. 14th year what what made the world of europe and the united states only to calm us down all the time so that we were silent and did not provoke russia and so on. all this ended last year. yes, when the americans realized that this tactic does not work. it only makes the situation worse and they they offered to russia well, they didn't literally offer , that is, they gave an option of possibilities, we will agree with you, you will no longer want a war, you start a war, well, they do it, and putin went for it, he started a war, and what we think now, we, uh, had so to speak, they don't give us much. they don't give us much support. they don't support us much. just remember the situation from january, so if in january and february, someone would say that such events will take place. europe will support us in this way . and so on, it seemed fantastic to us at that time, at that moment, and

now it looks like such a family and we expect even more support, so all these statements, well, listen again, i say if we lose the war, if russia achieves its goal, of course poland will become we should speak polish as much as possible, they support us as much as possible because they understand it . but again, the question here is with the poles . the question is that this rhetoric, well, you can't constantly threaten me. well, what kind of identification can there be in poland, it's a nato country? well, they are . ukraine cannot be defeated and faced with the help of nato, this is the student himself. you know that this is impossible, this is exclusively a nuclear war, and there will already be denazification, as it is called, on both sides, that's why i think that what is this is an attempt to continue playing on fears e- is of western civilization about this uh nuclear magitun a

ot p oleksiy just if you started talking about it look i will also quote the nuclear threat of russia an attempt to intimidate nato the former head of nato rasmussen anders von rasmussen he made a comment about the threat of russia using nuclear weapons well, i quote i don’t think these warnings are real, yes, i’m not worried about threats, he says it’s an attempt to intimidate nato allies in order to reduce the supply of weapons to ukraine. putin knows that if he uses weapons of mass destruction or tactical nuclear biological weapons or chemical weapons he receives a decisive answer and putin loses if we allow these threats from moscow to influence us then this is this brutal tyrant receives a decisive argument in the conflicts he initiates this is a quote well he is right well he is so in other words you can say that a if you

constantly fail well, what else, that is, they turn it off, uh, putin in his speech on may 9 did not say anything about it practically, well, in general, he went back to february 24, yes, rhetoric, well , that is, general words, some historical excursions monomakh is there and so on, that is, he again. that is, his speech was less decisive, less aggressive. they spoke all these three months. sorry, these are special operations and they need to be called. and the game on i think for the future for themselves so ah ah they solve their problems yes they are now competing with each other who is there kadyrov medvedev or someone who they will more aggressively shout a speech or write in a telegram and so on the problem is that putin and

understands it seems so from his speech on may 9 that if you talk about nuclear weapons every day, this threat will cease to be a threat for someone simply and this argument that he still hopes to use at the last moment. you do not mean the red button, but the argument, what is it maybe yes, it’s just that no one is interested in listening to him. it will happen and that’s what i understand . with this patience when he probably also told him that this operation will be very short and nothing will be affected, the economy will not be affected much there and so on . it's not entirely profitable, but it's very profitable for china, you know. how can i say it

? well, if we live in a paradigm there for two 19th or 20th centuries, then maybe it was profitable for someone to be like that, well, it's profitable for us on the one hand to ukrainians, yes, if you judge from the point of view of the 21st, and there is no chinese woman there, and the seller of the second century, i think so, then it is absolutely in general. they do n't matter at all, they just don't matter, the resources that are there can be bought and exchanged, and it will cost less. it is necessary to invest tens of hundreds of billions of dollars into the infrastructure, so that normal life at least somehow appears there. it is much easier to throw

pennies, for example, to support some regimes there , uh, i don't know, in case of the collapse of the country. yes, in russia, it is like that, than to take over it and these regimes they will do the same as they are doing now, russia will sell off its national wealth for chinese pennies, everything is fine, the power of siberia, all economists say that it will never become profitable with the valuable ones that are supplied a-a these e energy carriers in china e the trees, the wood that they sell, the fires that we see all the time, and they only increase every year, they become more terrible, and by the way, this is not so funny, because it is the lungs of the entire planet for the siberian tick, so it is also because of the fact that spices are bought and and so the felling takes place in a very barbaric, very wild way. yes, there were medicines for the national e-e of russia, in principle , it is absolutely critical, and according to the drum, what will e-e the

day after tomorrow or what will happen there with this siberia and so on. and when these three years will finally coincide after defeats in the war after the death of putin, are there many options yes, and then this collapse of russia will happen because, well, the problem here is not in china, in the united states, it is in russia itself, mr. oleksiy, if you can, that’s what you said. if about putin, who will die here well, he will die sooner or later in any way, but the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, kyrylo budanov, said that he informs on sky news, according to him, a coup is underway in russia with the aim of removing putin from power. and the russian president himself is seriously ill with lung cancer the turning point will be in the second half of august, most of the active hostilities will be completed by the end of this year, as a result, we will restore ukrainian power in all our territories that we lost, including

donbass and crimea, budanov emphasized, what do you think about this? well, i think that well, god forbid, first of all, what is it happened so differently, secondly well, of course, this is an element of a psychological psychological attack, so to speak, on russia for the russian summer, because there is also me. you see, i am a historian. well, i don’t see. if there was some kind of, well, at least some, although it all ended probably with khrushchev. faith in communism was removed, then what putin believes in. i don’t understand at all. he made some kind of picture for himself there, and only he alone can talk about it, for example. so it’s hard to somehow transfer it to other people, so i doubt that there is really a

suicide squad sitting there who are ready to press the button and and and and and, roughly speaking, to die, but that’s it what is around him and many people who have money and influence and so on, they don't want to come in. well, there are so many options for the soviet union that we are absolutely convinced that there is a large number of people who were fine with everything until the 13th year . he is a tsar who can come up with any topics of the scheme and so on, he solves some geopolitical issues. everything is fine with us, i ask, and russia is much more, even at the moment, how ridiculous it is, at least until the 24th, they were much more integrated into the western world between ukraine much mine was established there a long time ago, but 10 years ago , moscow was more similar in terms of infrastructure to europe and the united states than

to kyiv. the game is like that, you pray yes, plems, because a huge number of people really think so, and putin , he was already the savior for all of this. he almost joined nato, but he realized that he does not find the response of his population, maybe the population it is sick, absolutely, and it is for example, it was not solovyov who did it, we do not believe it all because i will repeat myself more than once, connect in russia, it was not solovyov who did it the population likes it, and by the way, as for solovyov, he is no longer allowed to enter italy. well, he is not allowed to travel to italy with solovyov, and the information about oleksiy has just arrived. briefly if possible

yes, yes, as you are a historian, as you say that you understand what is happening in russia in general, are there those people who are surrounded by putin, yes, who are ready to overthrow this tsar simply and simply? the death of putin's disappearance and so on, the people will remain the people who will be played by the same putin simply. that is why this question is much more difficult than the elimination of putin specifically . we will talk about it on the air, maybe we will even discuss about the bulk, as well. i thank you for joining our broadcast.

oleksiy golovutsky was also on the direct line with us. take care, mr. oleksiy, i will give you a little more information or we could add one more guest to our broadcast in the coming days at the ukrainian border, one of the checkpoints will start working only for the import of fuel into the country, deputy minister of infrastructure mustafa nayem said about this, in addition to unloading the border points in the e-e min-infrastructure want to make some of these checkpoints only for cargo, so they plan to do so, for example, with a kraków citizen on his day at the border with poland, we will add oleksiy doroshenko, the head of the national council of economic development, to our broadcast oleksiy my greetings good night good night a well, let's check the connection again, if possible, a little closer to the microphone so that we can hear you well, that's great, we can

hear everything perfectly, mr. oleksiy, let's still sort out, uh, what's happening now on this economic on the fuel market, in particular, the verkhovna rada today passed a certain law and nationalized certain gas stations, we know that there are simply colossal queues, people stand for hours for fuel, there are no cards, but those cards by lunchtime, all of them will be finished. what do you think, in your opinion, this is what the deputy minister of infrastructure is talking about, in particular, how many weeks will it take, that is, in a week, two, three, we will be able to, although plus or minus, more or less, e fill up yours a car in order to at least get to work from one point where there is no metro, in fact two weeks ago,

guys, there was enough fuel of course it did not drip, it was not of the quality to which you and i are used to, the usual time, in fact, it is necessary to determine what is what we even buy with you now is that which used to be called intoxicant mainly because up to 30% of the gasoline component is alcohol. sometimes i have had to meet with people who just started pouring pure alcohol into their tank, otherwise they simply had no way out, so the situation is not easy moreover, the enemy is really attacking any tanks where they think a lot of fuel is stored. therefore, unfortunately, it is not possible to store a large

amount at the same time. we'll see the arrival well, for example, it happened a-a many times in brovary, and you just know, in tanks of 10 to 20 cubic meters, everything was arranged so that there would not be a-a any accidents, so the situation is not simple, the fact that now the government is constantly looking for any what exits this is good at the same time e unfortunately some e steps could have been taken earlier, at the same time if you and i are talking, first of all, is there enough fuel for the military for anti-terrorist defense ? it's a pity there are interruptions and they don't have enough fuel, and that's why masha really is much less now, like my friends were traveling to western ukraine from

kyiv. they said that they were flying at such a speed, but there was simply no car, there were three of them, and then it turned out that they didn't have enough fuel. they just stopped and waited for someone to give them a ride, like today's fuel prices, so if they wait for a few weeks, what will happen to it, because recently i also had the opportunity to go to europe and look at the fuel prices there, in particular. well they do not differ, in fact, almost no, well, for example, yesterday i bought gasoline for 90 60 hryvnias, but in fact the price is actually already european, of course, in each country the price is different, because a significant part, if not most part, of each

liter of fuel is precisely the state excise duties taxes and that is why the state really determines how much it wants. it is precisely because of the fuel that ukraine can take for itself that ukraine has significantly reduced the excise tax rate for a certain period of time. this really led to a significant decrease in the price of gasoline and diesel gasoline . er, we saw from the increase in the excise tax rate that it naturally hit the ordinary ukrainian, at the same time, we understand that there is a war , therefore, first of all, it is necessary to provide for the army of agrarians, and lastly, all those in including you and i who simply need to move home or to work or simply on our own business