violation of an act of corruption, i.e., an action that, er, entails certain consequences, that is, it can be an abuse of power, it can be an excess of receiving bribes, and so on, and the fourth point is actually the consequences of corruption , that is, er, receiving illegal rewards a-a receiving illegal funds of some kind, illegal enrichment, what comes next gave what we see a a certain way of life a-a there is a luxury segment and everything else yes and this is what we understand by corruption and it seems to me to fight corruption after all in addition to criminal cases, court and punishment should be started precisely in this segment of corruption opportunities, where the official has the opportunity to act in this way, let's say, against the interests of the state, but it is better than binduks. no one

has come up with it, so far. there is almost no need to write in ukraine eh for uh for officials where there is no possibility of corruption starting from there eh state water agency yes where are you in charge of water resources eh forest nadra customs tax even the power structures themselves which it would seem do not generate no money, yes, no well, in the projects that allowed them to earn money, they still become a part of this big corruption machine. well, what about the fact that they had little salary? that's why they steal. do you agree with him or not? no. but it seems to me that no matter what salary they set, 100-200-300 thousand will still steal if he is such a person, you just understand. for example, i don't know. my favorite topic is kyiv parking. it's simple. we all know kyivzelenbud, there is such a utility

company, yes. they have you understand i am analyzing prices so what is kyivzelenbud this is an office that is responsible for repairing parks in the city of kyiv everything seems so simple in order to repair a park what is needed you need to take sand somewhere without a loaf somewhere soil and for example kyivzelenbud buys sand there the markup is 200%. well, do you have any idea what a 200% markup is? so when you buy that sand by the tons, then this matter again comes to the nabu there. brady, give the documents. yes, but such a story unfolded that we took them to the basement for storage, and in the basement it rained and everything flooded in the basement, all the documents disappeared, you understand. well, that is, he gave legal mechanisms, even the investigation came to a conclusion . that we don't have contracts, documents, and you understand that no matter what the salary is, but what is this

temptation? yes, i can make a small profit for myself on the sand, and here i agree with you, it should be here, you don't know. it's not gingerbread in this case in the ukrainian case, namely the whip, what should you know that if, god forbid, you will take this cup home , you will be responsible, and you will have to answer yes. and i can give you a reverse example. this cup on the bedside table and they will detain you and say that you have had it here for two weeks and you will fall under natalki's draft law on execution for corruption. that is, their huge system. so the fact that you were detained is that they showed you in handcuffs country. this does not mean that you will. well, it's good there. you will sit in a pre-trial detention center for a little while, in the worst case, you can get out on

bail 15 minutes after your arrest. you understand, there would be money for this bail. structures in ukraine, they are part of a large political system, and all appointments in any force structure in our country take place only with political approval, and this well, i don't know, this is what everyone talks about all the time, and this is a fact, when we have a competition for some position manager some kind of new law enforcement structure yes, for example , the latest bureau of economic security and everyone knew within a month of the announcement of the competition that the winner would be vadym melnyk, the current head of the state fiscal service yes, which was being liquidated as such a corrupt structure, in its place was supposed to create a new one, and everyone knew that the head would be this one same person , that is, when we say that we will strengthen responsibility and legislation, we come across the fact that at every stage from the moment of the beginning of the investigation of corruption facts to the moment there are many stages of a court decision. well, there are many stages when you

can be released if you are involved in corruption, or they can, on the contrary, tie you to non-existent corruption in order to solve some political or other issues, there is such a story andrii by the way, regarding the strengthening of yevgeny , they have already formed a category of people 's deputies and initiators of draft laws . responsibility and what does this mean, it means that some issue cannot or someone does not want to solve it, that is, it is not solved because somehow the ip-aru was there to cover up this matter and give some such bright picture that we see or read in the media of mass information

there for there for corruption now it will be for life yes well it sounds or as mrs. natalya says yes for corruption they will be shot, well super and now a million views have been secured in our country it does not work criminal liability does not work playing doesn't work, they just let him out, then he starts stealing again. well, how to act, that is, from work, there was such a bill, which means that the headlines were very, very clearly meant for counterfeiting life-saving drugs, so i figured it out. well, it turned out that this is what the period for a year after after this law was adopted regarding criminal liability, only two people were prosecuted for counterfeiting medicines there, er, there, the only condition was especially large quantities and here some people

made antiseptics in very large quantities i have to wash my hands and i got it there either conditionally, i don’t remember or i think they even replaced imprisonment with a fine of uah 65,000 there, that is, it just doesn’t work here, and it’s an example of china. it’s also very interesting because a- yes, they shoot 100, 130-150 people a year there, they are subject to this type of punishment, but they are shot every year, so it doesn’t work either, people are not afraid, and really, you showed the numbers. there really are millions, tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. we understand that the chinese have a 23 trillion economy and the size of what can be stolen there, they are just crazy, you remember how some park is, to understand

what it is for us, i am a good shooting, it starts from half a million dollars, it seems like oh. calls to all friends of copying china, it is possible an interesting scenario, but as your experience shows, we need, we have to find our own way, and i propose to add to our conversation fedir shulzhenko, head of the department of theory of the history of legal law of the institute of vadym hetman kyiv university and er by joining our conversation er p fedir tell me please er good evening first of all and please tell me what is wrong in ukraine with the law enforcement system, the judicial system and in general those initiatives such as from year to year we discuss and we understand that our expectations are that

the end of the war with our victory, that corruption will disappear, but we feel that, as long as we do not change something, nothing worse will happen, that after the war, first of all, dear colleagues, i am very i would listen carefully to you. i believe that it is not entirely appropriate to go down to any concrete facts in all discussions, the problem of corruption. in ukraine, we speak colloquially . at every intersection. excluded for corruption, the conditions for corruption were laid not now, the conditions for corruption were laid much earlier, the first problem is capital, which was and remains

today in ukraine, a global problem in my opinion a view of understanding the essence of the state, the state, the institution, the state, the corporation, the state, the institution, the state, the institution, is a totalitarian state, where corruption grows and everything else . no wonder, i analyze it so no wonder, in fact, the mechanism of the state remained the one with other names, see er-e state, the communist party, the leadership of the state, what changed, the institute of the president had to be created well, instead of the communist party, today we have the governing body - it is the state

administration, that is, even in 1992, but just imagine where the foundations of corruption are we are talking about now, there was something else in kyiv, there was definitely a question, but look at uh, 92- and year we spend a lot about local self-government about corruption at the lower level and so on. the 92nd year eh hmm let's name the president, representatives of the president were created in the autonomous city of crimea in the regions and so on down the next day in march the president issued a decree on the transfer seizure of property from the local self-government bodies and the transfer to the state well, then where did they get from us to the state and local administration itself. in this way, an institute was created that for many years stimulated corruption, created the conditions, the whole permit

system went from there, tax administration, business, everything was there, it is not completely broken that's why the attempts, uh, well, i think that the attempts under the uh, previous president were of such a nature, diplomatic, ethical, on her, on the electorate, we have everything else, the reform of local self-government, which gives them critics, now it seems that something has started, but we have not been able to stop it by cleaning up the business and political authorities, and this is a corrupt component of politics, corrupt political corruption. excuse me, please , it started during the time of the president, honorable or not, who is kravchuk's relationship with him oh, i'm sorry, i 'm sorry er, as coaches, when the parliament entered criminality, later it started a little differently, they already became businessmen, and the merger, er,

means business and politics, and we have today, i 'll kill you. corruption about the growth of business out of order , there is no doubt about it, but even at the grassroots level, now there is a fuel crisis in ukraine. yes, there is no fuel, people are ready to buy a place in the queue at the gas station to fill up. they quietly approach the cashier and say, let me pay more, i'm ready to give any money if you just fill me up, i don't have a phone, nothing happens in hospitals, people go to kindergartens, schools there, they spend their money and themselves they create this corruption at the grassroots level, yes a and e, this is domestic corruption, well, this is domestic corruption, but you know this, it is a certain social contract between society and the government, yes, the government is engaged in big corruption, they

appoint security forces there, and it merges with big business, and the same people can do it themselves engage in, you know, i think that well, we once thought that we would be able to overcome corruption through judicial reform, but i remember in 2016 these pompous competitions for the supreme court, exams and the like, and then we begin to find out that the judge in cherkasy his superiors almost kicked him out because he recorded a conversation in the superior's office where the superior actually forced him to make a decision in favor of the local factory in order to take away housing from the teacher, that is, there are literally several such cases when the judge went against the system. we are discussing historical perspectives again, such as how everything got bad, what to do to make it good, so that something changes in this system and people clearly understand that there is a crime of corruption, there is responsibility, there is a reduction

in volumes from this disease, well, corruption is in for each country, the question is only in size, and for some, it does not interfere at all, like china or turkey, there is a small level of corruption that absolutely does not interfere with canonical development. if we look at the history of the economic rise of south korea after the korean war, when in fact south korea was left without industry at all and today we see that it is a leading country in terms of biotechnology, space exploration, chips, microcircuits computer and so on. and they always had a very high level of corruption. in my opinion, only two presidents of the country have not sat in prison, but

not before they became president, but after that, and first of all, one must pay attention to the level of legal awareness the level of legal culture yevhen correctly noticed that if corruption exists at a lower level, it will definitely reach the top and such a corrupt consensus will be formed when a person says i will steal a little here and the government should not come here and the government will say well we we will also steal a little but don't come here and don't try to control us, and that's why legal awareness, legal culture, well, actually, yes, as we say, you always have to start with yourself, and the second thing is political will, if there will not be from the very top, well, i don't like this word, yes a clear signal because we listen to clear signals every election. and when

the heads of departments or the prosecutor general or the heads of law enforcement agencies are reappointed, everyone says that now there will be a clear signal. from this day on, we live differently, we see that nothing does not change that is why the political will should be recorded or not. today seems to me to be a unique moment against the background of the dramatic events that are happening right now. it would be possible to emphasize the line and say that this is all in the past . we will continue to act. yes, and better than kakha dendukiv - in principle, no one has formulated a very simple three points that are needed for reforms to fight corruption is the first, the most important, the most important. i consider political overlap, i.e. the one who will protect the one who will break this

corrupt system and there about and there it is good if the publication also starts a confrontation with the law enforcement agencies and the second person is actually a reformer, that is, who should do this and again, not only for criminal prosecutions, but actually in order to take away eyes corruption possibilities, for this you need to get into every sphere of life, get into the legislation, for this you need a very large number of professionals. they must be motivated to do it because, well, some may say that we are motivated, they will go in, and so they say, you know,

bring some scheme as a sacrifice, yes, in order to show it to the mass media. and 99% of other schemes will remain as they were, therefore they should be exactly yes, well, it is very appropriate to mention, friends, also about political will and about such manipulations of the political shows with criminal proceedings, do you remember the big helicopter case when they detained ex-taxpayers from klymenko's time in the 15th or 16th year, yes, they were taken to the whole country by helicopter, it was a show, but it ended in nothing, yes the participants in this story say that they are done with the fact that they were forced to settle accounts with those who detained them and the cases were closed. remember the case of roman nasirov, how we all went to the shevchenkiv court and stood there waiting for what would happen, god forbid they let go of this blanket from the state fiscal

service, instead of him they appointed another person from another winged political party . always put a full stop and how did this case end two years ago? the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine ordered the production of commemorative medals for the fight against corruption, you can now see them on the screen two years ago they bought mine back, well, no, we bought them, and for two years there is not a single message that these medals were awarded to anyone. let's hope that in the first year after the war, all the medals will find their heroes . uh, we are recommended by our you were in

touch with us fedir shulzhenko, head of the department of theory of the history of law of the kyiv university of vadym hetman and andriy savorets, an expert of the case company ukraine thank you, friends, for an interesting conversation well, we will be back on the air a few minutes before the meeting, we are conquered cities of ukraine, this is a cozy and comfortable kharkiv, a city of students of science and industry, a city that, since ancient times, was repeatedly attacked by tatars, passed both into the hands of the bolshevik invaders and into the paws of the german fascists, but kharkiv kept and preserved ukraine in the heart

then and now kharkiv invincible, they were not afraid of shelling, they did not run from the flames, instead of saving their own lives, they returned again and again to the burning house for priceless by the works of maria priymachenko when a russian projectile hit the building of the historical and local history museum in the village of ivankiv in the kyiv region, museum guard anatolii kharitonov, together with his wife and fellow villagers, rushed to save the unique collection , preserving it for the country was more important to them than their own safety ukrainians are a nation of heroes we are a nation of resourceful people rainmakers she has quite versatile people, they can do anything, we invent borscht that does not need to be cooked, we create

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kyiv unconquered, we will rebel, we will bind up , we will win the news together, we are strong, congratulations friends we are returning to the air 1+1 project night watch and in the second part of the program we will talk about the explosion of russia when should we wait for the russians to come out for those protests that will be able to overthrow the government putin, and is it possible at all, since we are from the first days of the war, these are the first days, what did all the ukrainians do, they tried to reach the russians. yes, we wrote them a message. go to the streets, demand an end to the war, demolish this putin already, and well, do something, yes, but what we got is that i really hoped very much that

they would immediately go out on the square and simply demolish putin, and as a result, we found that putin's rating increases from 50% to before the start of the war up to 80%, their brains are simply destroyed, even tens of thousands of killed soldiers they cannot shake their faith in the tsar, they remind me of this story of how a ukrainian prankster calls the mothers of russian soldiers, pranks them, says that your son died, she cries and he then asks her "yes, why don't you support the special operation" and she tearfully says "yes, i support it, but still we see local protests by ordinary russian journalists in some places, some isolated protests try to go out into the street and say that they are against the war, we even saw some russian artists who have left the borders of russia are starting to talk. i want to believe that they will bring down putin, but my friends, to be honest, my faith in russians is gradually

being destroyed and this percentage is decreasing to zero. but we have to model like this and for example who can become the driving force behind these very changes of this rebellion and this protest? what do you think when we expect it to be the relatives of the killed russian soldiers? yes, we understand that those who are simply against the war are different from those relatives who lost yes, our children are husbands there, and our main hope is for these russian mothers, that they will come out of tens of thousands of russian soldiers, that’s actually, well, each person has his own entourage there, well, 5-7-10, e.g., close relatives there are acquaintances and this forms a huge number of people, yes, there are about 30,000 russian soldiers, and it is, well, several hundred thousand people who are related to these people, so we expect that they will become an aggregation society, that is, social

inequality is developed, so we see that there is a very large we see deviations in the percentage, which are completely poor and those who are rich, this means moscow, peter, people who live well, and this poor little space, uh, it still constitutes such a powerful force, and i think that it will explode first. well, if we let's go to the statistics, so let's take a look, the russian edition of the agency calculated that the largest number of russian soldiers killed was in the buryat region, and they investigated 833 reports of the death of russians. among the russian changes, and at least there it was mentioned about the buryat soldiers, they claim that the largest number of russians killed exactly falls on this region, but friends, i think that here it is possible to explain to the audience why we are talking about this at all, because uh, well, some people may ask to listen, well, in the war in ukraine. i don't care what is happening in russia, how many of them died there, and in general. yes, but we

are planning and dreaming that one of the options for our victory will be a revolution in russia, and that such people will go out to protest and tear down this the current government and the war will stop, that's why we 're talking about it, trying to understand whether it can happen in general. and when it can happen. and here we have an opportunity to talk to a journalist from radio freedom a-a siberia, the reality of dugar deponte. she already has a life now for the borders of russia and it explores e these sentiments in siberia regarding the war in ukraine and will help us to find answers to these questions not only because we see how many buryats die in the war in ukraine and in principle they return in coffins to their motherland and mothers see this and this society sees it and it is interesting after all, the buryats do not just sit in their houses, a resident of the buryats went on a

picket and recognized the strength of her son among the prisoners in ukraine .