how many of them died there and in general yes, but we do plan and dream that one of the options for our victory will be a revolution in russia and that such people will go out to protest and overthrow this current government and the war will stop, that's why we are talking about it and we are talking trying to understand if it can happen in general and when it can happen and here we have the opportunity to talk with the journalist of the radio freedom a-a siberia reality ugar deponte she already lives outside of russia and she is researching the current mood in siberia regarding the war in ukraine and will help us to find answers to these questions not only because we see how many yevhen are at war in ukraine and in principle they return in coffins to their motherland and mothers see it and see this society and it's interesting they just sit in their houses , a buryat resident went on a picket, she recognized the strength of her son among the

prisoners in ukraine, uh, she stands with a no war banner, but when will there be more of these people and will they be able to go out on the streets, not be silent, not one woman, just a single picket, and when they are, we know there are many of them when will they start to go out on the streets and is it really what is happening now in ukraine , eh, eh, those deaths of people from your region, they are ready now to push people to some kind of protest in order to eh raise some kind of regional revolution and here is the example of the riots to show all of russia that putin's power must be overthrown and this war must be stopped in this way, you have enough idealistic idealistic views of russia as a whole and about russian

society as unfortunately, this is part of russia and for probably more than 20 years , we have watched the destruction of democracy and the destruction of democratic institutions in russia, and if, for example, in the year 1991, moscow, many cities of the soviet union went to trial against the communist party , i think it was the year 93 this was the last surge of such a mass protest, i am not talking about 2012. this is nothing else. well, while putin is in power, it happened very badly , and because of that, almost everything was destroyed. independent mass media starting with ntv, systematically and simply, well, uh,

every year, civil society is getting worse, and i myself could judge this from the first person, so to speak , because i was such a representative of civil society in russia. my friends resisted the destruction of the buryat districts, the autonomy of the buryat districts a-a during the program of e-e rounding up the regions and we at our school so say that from the test of a-a repression well, then they talked about it even easier how to say repression, and then there were other moments when russia for example, she destroyed, let's say, the teaching of compulsory languages ​​in russia. how did we deal with everything

we disagree with? buryatsii, many people are against their own to smoke. but nowadays, in the current conditions , when you can get a real term in prison for any uh, going out with a poster , people are simply afraid to do this, and i think that this is even counter productive i know that such a spontaneous partisan movement has started in ulan-udei buryatia, people just leave eh, here are small posters and not yours. there are no links to opposition telegram channels that sanctify this war crime war , i think that precisely such partisan actions in today's russia make more sense , because if more people are imprisoned

or given fines, the coffers of russia will be replenished , and as a result, there will be a large number of them. and how now in general, they live in buryatia. we just saw, for example, in the kyiv region, that some people saw a washing machine for the first time , then took it home and for them it was an achievement. this is how they bring a trophy from the war, and they say that many even buryatites sat a lot it's just that at home they couldn't realize themselves in any way. in russia, they had no chance to realize themselves. they were given such a chance to come to the kiev region to see a washing machine and bring it. although such a demographic washing should be done, that is, there are a lot of men who are socially disadvantaged and have no future, so it is beneficial to wash them so that they do not spoil the name of russia

. i think that how would all these washing machines go in a storm a-a here, uh, as we see there, they sought o-o-o regions, they went and so on, that is, uh, first of all, the majority of contract workers uh, who serve in the russian armies are from villages" according to this contract one of the few elevators that a young man from a small village has, here from the cities we know fewer guys serve in the army, as if they connect their lives with the army a-a and that's why i don't think that the guy from the village will take the washing machine for some reason the car is in silok where there is no water supply and sewerage, that is, it is simply absurd

, the central elevator that you said is the deadly one, aren't the buryats afraid of dying in ukraine? they were told that they were going to study, and then many of them suddenly found out that they were actually going to ukraine. it was, as it were, such a bad surprise for everyone. as for those people who are going, i think that i definitely know but it’s just a-a mm er-e also as if i know that there are refuseniks a-and the second thing is that about them er-e nothing is known about them now because especially those who returned from ukraine to belgorod there and er- well, at the border regions, i know that many people refused to return there later, once upon a time

they imported but this is already here is how the other question is how much is it? i would like to tell about the demography . and especially this concerns grief , and here according to such modest estimates, there are about 5,000 buryat soldiers in ukraine, the population of buryatia in russia . buryat district, trans-baikal territory and agent district the population of buryats is ethnic buryat population does not exceed 500,000 people, that is, more than one percent of the total buryat population is at war, and russians in

russia are 100 11 million, one percent of the population will make up but er 100 that is, one million 110,000 people. that is, if everything was the same. well, if there was a proportional ratio of soldiers, then it would mean that there should be 100,100,000 russians in ukraine now. that is, one million, 110,000 people. well, that's it it doesn't happen and here tell me, here it is, here's one , uh, the numbers are sure. yes, they are surprising, we didn't know that such a proportion was. but here, uh, 1% of the people were sent to war. and you say that the reaction to this is only such a quiet protest because people are afraid of placards, that is, they receive funerals for their relatives every day, and at the same time,

they continue to fear how many more beets will have to die so that their families stop being afraid, and uh , this is why they put notes. is it in in this region, this is impossible. and will you remember 45 hours ago, if germany had not been defeated, i don’t think that there would have been any mass protest movement. you must realize that today’s russia is a fascist state and well . this is a fact, and it seems to me that as long as russia exists in the form in which it exists, it will always be a danger to all, to all neighboring nations and countries, and the only way out, it seems to me, is the victory of ukraine in

this war. well, it's great for you to enter the words of elena of ukraine, here's how er they outline well, that's where our power is. yes, that's what we're conquering our territory like that. that is, this is what ukraine clearly states that we don't need anything. we only need our own for us, this will be our victory . about the fact that someone is going there to capture moscow, but no one is talking about this, not in ukraine, not in the world, yes . russia remains in our land tyazheledy the same who knows him putin the same henchmen the same soldiers the same people who supported everything and what’s next here’s how you see this construction of the world that is eh because eh we understand if there is a lot if we were all talking yes what are we there we will go to moscow, to st. petersburg, there we will go anywhere,

but no one talks about it, that is, what to do in this case, after all, the country that remains is the most formidable state, a bunch of people, and what do i have? it is unrealistic to expect that uh, you will be uh exactly such a scenario what was in the 45th year but me i believe that if there is an unnamed military defeat of russia, then the putin regime will not survive, that is, in any case, this regime must fall. who built uh, this is the vertical of power, uh, all of a sudden, the whole country collapses, a situation arises, and uh, there will be chaos. yes, and uh, there will be. it seems to me that there are some regions that will still want you to take advantage of

this situation, and uh, i i think that here, er, i think that the process should start where the disintegration of russia, and then it can start in beets, it can be drilled as a region. here you said 5 million, we present that russia relaxes into separate micros of the republic or so on. that's right. here they are not micro, but not very large, which is more ukraine. i finished the question, if e- can it start in the beets if you say five million people of the population well, how many security forces are there who can suppress the uprising of people whose relatives die, well, in my understanding, there is probably no such force that could stop the families of people whose families are dying just like that, and their relatives from leaving how do you say start some kind of regional

uprising, and try to break away from this metropolis of moscow well, first of all, we have uh, not uh, 1 million in the republic, the population of the republic is less than millions of people, and the buryats make up about 30% of the population of the republic of buryatia, so i don't think that buryatia is a subsidized region, and we have very little economic urgency for such actions vot therefore, i don't think that it should start precisely with buryatia. i think that it can start with such strong and economically a-a relations, as it were. as for human resources, there is a very large population of tatarstan , for example, and the republic of the north the caucasus can start a-and i’m even talking about this, and er, let’s

say purely russian regions, such as the urals, such as the far east, as well as the siberian a-a region a-a, that is, there is also eastern questionable siberia, that is , in general, in principle, eh- russia is not even monolithic and even here among the russian uh different regions there is separatism so uh there is a siberian separatist there from the donetsk and luhansk regions copper 8 years old russian propaganda talks about the fact that people have the right to self-determination , if people want their own republic they have this right yes, if your scenario suddenly develops into reality, you know, then the actual regime will become a hostage to its propaganda . a historical family, but not you, here is raja. very interestingly, he started talking about separatism in russia, where it exists in russia and how it manifests itself, if

we are honest, we don’t see about that much there was such a movement of regionalists and their leaders, instead of i am the principle of the dance. instead of sending them to siberia, they were sent back, on the other hand, and the authorities of the russian empire here , uh, well, he spoke so many times about what , for example, in talin, he wrote a book called siberia as a colony and uh, the situation in the principle remains the same it remains a-a how it was in the tsar's time how it was in the soviet time and now it's even worse because , er , in the soviet time, at least something was built. there are no roads

that would connect the regions, er, there is no normal air communication between different regions, that is, it is a perfect situation when from yakutsk to get to magadan from yakutsk, for example, it is cheaper for a person to buy a ticket to moscow and then fly to magadan from moscow than flies uh very much regarding the fact that china is considering its rights on the territory beyond the urals, even nikita mikhalkov, remember, talked a lot about this , some flights and helicopters and the like, that the urals may become the urals in one day under the rule of china. how do you feel about this ? is it relevant and how realistic is it from the point of view of this war, as if by a specialist in where, let's say, in

this geopolitics, but i noted, that is, i read , uh, some article, it was said that ah, in general, the situation is that china will suddenly attack eh on russia will want to seize siberia, it is not realistic at the moment china has enough a-a many problems with er-er with southern china with taiwan er-a that's exactly how er-er they need to establish er-er dominance that's exactly in pacific basin as for siberia and russia, they are already colonizing siberia, as it were, they are using such a method of soft power, and i am obliged to introduce an army because economically, we already depend on china very much ah, a lot, let's say so, and eh c

principle that's right, i don't think that china will suddenly want to take advantage of the situation and attack cb, that is, it can be such a quiet annexation, and it will gradually integrate the economic one, they will create conditions when this question will not even be raised, eh, all the inhabitants of siberia they will consider themselves chinese and will be assimilated there, the chinese are integrated more into the chinese economy, i understand correctly, i’m not even standing in reality, uh, the fact is that siberia is very sparsely populated compared to china and if the resettlement of chinese people begins more and more, then in principle it is quite possible. what, uh, that can happen? well, we don't know yet. well, while we see that the northerners are bringing russian peace to ukraine and are trying to prove something to us here and

show what they are. warriors, and here it is, as they say, it simply does not fit into the head that a person who does not yet fully understand russian himself is bringing russian peace to ukraine, so it was necessary to brainwash them so much that they had to be promised so that they would come here they brought русский мир i still want to return to the ukrainian language, what about the small posters that raja told us about, i think that the russian rebellion is shaking and on march 3, the first molotov cocktail flew at the voronezh military commissariat, then a week later the military commissariat of the sverdlovsk region lit up, and then we have more than a dozen such local ones the fires of military commissariats in various regions are trying to burn documents in military records and this cannot but cause difficulties with the unit, explosions started at the same time at military warehouses and oil depots, and during

the past few months they have been localized in several e-e border regions with ukraine, in the belgorod kursk region, even in ukraine, for their weak official explanations, they invented a special term cotton in the sense that they report on numerous paws and now the infrastructure as part of warehouses with sleeping bags and explosives begin to explode all over russia, are ukrainian sabotage groups working or russian partisans? what do you think? well, i would like to say that the explosion of russian oil tanks near the border with ukraine , which we have seen and heard about, so for russia, for the russian federation, this is a drop in the ocean. because if we look at the map that forbes said, there are 18 large oil tanks just next to ukraine, and 15 of them belong to trosnivtsi and in general there are 500 oil tanks in russia and only two near the border with ukraine were on fire, this is an incredible number and one of the oil tanks that is located near the border with ukraine with the donetsk region is an

oil tank that belongs to the wife of viktor medvedchuk - ukrainian tv presenter oksani marchenko in novy shakhtynsk, because ms. oksana is not only a talented crybaby. how effective are they if you look at uh, not regional protests? well, protests in moscow, protests in st. petersburg. can they influence the situation, and uh, are they strong? well, if you remember, uh, many very many rallies were in moscow and st. petersburg at the very beginning of the war, and then when these new criminal articles were introduced for discrediting the army and fakes, that is, up to 15 years

ago , these mass protests stopped. single epicettes with empty sheets of paper and i don't think that these protests, that is, they definitely played a big role, because they showed that a very large number of people in russia are against this war , that they wanted to stop, that many people want to let it be a war it was stopped, but now it’s in the middle of the day that such draconian measures were taken and these protests have practically stopped, come on friends, we already have kirill martynov, the chief editor of novaya gazeta evropy. good evening, kirill, and our firs have turned on kirill. here we

are discussing anti-war movements in russia , that's all that rozhan dugarova from radio liberty said that we are building ourselves in ukraine , here are illusions regarding the protests in russia, it is possible because the russian society is so inert that it is simply not capable now, even in the conditions of the death of tens of thousands of russians, to go to the protest that will be able to bring down putin's power . movements in russia today, that is understandable to me , because it is obvious that this was such a point that determined, among other things, the current year of history, in russia, there was such a situation in terms of the demands of the muscovites of the opposition

waltz against uh unbearable elections and about the turnover of everyone completely from the side together they didn't end anything probably those demands were shortcomings uh maybe the dictatorship was already there very moment it was too strong but somehow it was not possible to do this i k unfortunately a-a when ukraine built itself a-e consulate of high- ranking women much more similar to the european e-e democracy e-e russia degraded a-a russia degraded exactly how the public structure how some system a-a russians are used to being political russians got used to it because the state takes care of everything, and at some critical moment, the best case. yes, you have 10,000 rubles. and now, critical, important, critical problems. it seems to me that it is included in the fact that in 78 years of the russian economy, it is like that or things related to the state. you can imagine. yes, what do people have? well,

their families are directly jealous of how loyal they are to the state. and this is a basic sword, what kind of sword can it be? state etiotism is what you need to know about modern russia. we are a very different society indeed. mass prosthesis as a source of some changes, and not in russia, there is an anti -war protest in russia, people, uh, well, maybe they are in prison for fighting the war, many russians, in order to continue working, uh, journalists left the country hundreds of er left the country because our profession is prohibited in russia. i know quite a large number of optimists who risk a lot of second-

guessing. but this is all very different from your protest. i think that now we need to think about how in russia to help the forces there who feel themselves well, we russians, of course, who are more or less safe there, and uh, ukrainians need to think about ukraine, you understand, but you need to think about how to help people who feel lonely against it the states of such people are millions, but they are terribly divided. what do they hope for? they don’t know what i hope for. what do they think they are closed in ? ask putin’s russia and nothing. nothing good will happen to your life. this is also not the case . you know because that's how it was even then and that when in russia there was a swampy poltava in ukraine maidan and there was an arab spring so-called yes and there a protest who did nothing, for example, started simply in the ministry itself, like a brakeman who came out of his bench and said that he he can't live like this anymore after that, i burned alive, and uh, this kind of

triggers can change public mood very much, even in such a way. well, the disorganized uh, they are like russia. well, i would like to continue your thought. that's what you said now. well, that's all it says about the fact that there is no smartphone, there are no spare parts. there is no phone to him, but there is a state in russia, and this is what primitive behavior dominates primitive behavior and organization. this is what can change this behavior with the organization to progress . in fact, some countries are because of brastny and already in their history. well, we saw everything there, even the heat was not in cuba. what is there, uh, these old american cars from the 50s. how did they bring them there? they drive there and remain the main prestigious transport. well, this is all stretched out, similar to the

situation of the decade, and the war must be stopped, eh , faster, that is, we would once on the topic in the war and in this, eh, we found out that this is all the main organization of russia is connected with the fact that people, ah, people know everyone lives for himself that is, there is nothing in common with plants, but in russia these are the guys who, er, went to kill to play, er, to play construction equipment in ukraine, they survive in the succulents, so how can er, well, you can’t manage naturally yes, but, they are here to start, here to steer themselves at least a little, i know that they steal a lot from me there, but i also have to clean up somewhere. and where can i clean up? you have no one with me and no company, but i would even steal a washing machine. it's a few times because we are the country of social progress again let's look at the example of modern ukraine,

uh , we applied ourselves very strongly. i see how she has changed, everything is like a stone war, aperizatsiya then you are on your own, yes, and according to progress, when you know what solidarity is, and europeans know what solidarity is, russians, russians have forgotten i was there , i think that i think that there will be some kind of control. er participation of rossiyskogo societies that even with the border turned out to be all that remains in the country in the direction of the search, after all, this is solidarity in the direction of redeveloping the people. the map of the world occupies an incredible number of things, yes, and all these people turned out to be hostages of one person, we are talking about putin. well , we are talking about it.