the influence of juvenile criminals who were released at that time and criminals who were released, that’s absolutely the difference well, the soviet authorities were not afraid of criminals, as opposed to criminals, uh, political ones, there were fewer of them, well, in the end, who are they in 1917, who are they themselves, the real criminals, because of the executions about two, maybe three thousand people were killed at that time, to put it briefly, this is a crime against humanity that does not have an expiration date, not in any other, well, there is no explanation for those who what are these people doing now? there is no explanation for what these people did then. there is also no explanation. they did n’t kill children now. they just didn’t kill small children. you mentioned the nalonsky prison in lviv. i would like them to show our viewers the footage, too . archival german footage they

filmed when they entered lviv. they were also shocked , and here we see that ukrainians will gladly lose to everyone the monuments to stalin and lenin, which had already been installed at that time, but the reasons for this are the atrocities of the bolsheviks, and here are the footage of this the prisons, where did they start taking them out, just to the places lviv residents were forced to take out the remains of the people who were shot in this prison, how many people were there, well, hundreds and hundreds of people were shot there too, and we now understand why. why do ukrainians hate russia so much, yes, they hate the bolsheviks, and this is how they relate to bolshevism throughout their entire history. so, the fascists, yes, the fascists were shocked - it was us with the footage at the beginning , we showed a fragment of vinnytsia in

prison yes 20,000 people were shot there ot why why why did the germans call and bring the red cross to document the crimes of the soviet government, they did not want it on themselves, it was the announcer, it is said in the chronicle that the beast will judge the beast, that is, the scheme of totalitarian regimes, they repeat themselves, they repeat that we have the lutsk prison shooting in 2017 there was the last such broad information that was investigated in one of these e-e graves in a hole in a funnel from an aerial bomb, and there it has certain technological features, how it is placed e-e 114 people by e-e skulls, that is, well with uh absolutely various injuries ee incompatible with life often due to the fact that there were shootings there and this complex as if with firearms

then throwing weapons there uh with grenades such different things that is, the beast here the beast from one side according to follows the beast wants to be like beast that is, well, we have a cyclical history unfortunately for ukrainians in the center in the center yes unfortunately it has something to teach someone unfortunately as a historian it is difficult for me, but i have to say that well, it does not teach backwards , everything is absolutely obvious there is the institute of czechoslovakia the capture of the sudeten there, the world saw it, it should have seen it in 1938-39, 40-41, what does the world fit into, the same world does not see what this day fits into, i’m sorry, the world couldn’t stop hitler in 1939, but now the world can stop putin , how can you, based on history, who analyzed a lot

of events, yes, he will stop and here is the physical day of june 22. yes, what the russians call the day of the beginning of the great patriotic war, yes, how should this day be perceived by ukrainians? thousands of ukrainians were simply shot because that's what the nkvd decided, and let's, friends, add mykola to our conversation, the path of the ukrainian historian is a person who is quite a high specialist in the field of studying the history of this particular period of the 20-30s and eh. good evening, mykola, i am very glad of your please tell me this fundamental question: on what day did the second world war start for ukrainians, what did it start from, how should we write this history of this war, how

should we understand it? ukraine, as you know, was part of the second polish-lithuanian commonwealth or the polish republic, and the ukrainian population of western volhynia and eastern galicia took the hit of nazi germany in the first days of the war . the beginning of the second world war for ukraine was not on june 22, 1941, as soviet historians claimed for a long time, but on september 1, 1939, as well as the end of this war on september 2, 1945, therefore historians have

to write about the ukrainian second world war er and date it to the years 39-45, well, this is already happening now, and here are these atrocities that we discussed just now, what were they motivated by russia's hatred of ukrainians or simply the desire to destroy everything that falls under their control control, i would answer this question as follows: the hatred of russians towards ukrainians is at the genetic level, it is pathological . all the time, the question was raised in the offices of st. petersburg, moscow, the russian capitals about the

subjugation of ukraine, ukrainians were destroyed as a nation , as an ethnic group that, in their opinion, had common roots and a common history, we know that ukrainians and russians do not have common roots or a common history they have, but it was necessary to destroy their competitors, because kyivan rus, which was the state of the ancestors of ukrainians , cannot serve as the historical roots of any muscovite or russian state, and in order to destroy the very mention of ukrainians, it was necessary destroyed physically in the second world war, as the former first secretary of the central committee of the party of the bolsheviks of ukraine, mykyta khrushchev, wrote in his memoirs of ukrainians , that is the only reason they were not physically destroyed and deported like the deported crimean tatars, chechens, germans of the volga region. and that there were many of them in

his memoirs, khrushchev mentioned what did marshal zhukov tell him about this, that hater of ukraine who tried not to use the forces of soldiers to win the second world war? we remember that this butcher zhukov, who headed the berlin offensive operation only in the last two weeks of april, before the storming and during the storming of berlin, almost a million soviet soldiers and officers were killed, most of these lives were ukrainian lives, so we can talk about genetic hatred and the desire of the russians to destroy the ukrainians in order to be destroyed there was the very memory of a separate ukrainian people, and your words are just like those of mr. viktor, who

said at the beginning of our meeting that unfortunately, the lessons of history are not being learned here. you know, i guess it's already like this, we are already. every day we find even more facts, we line up parallels , but that's all, but this is where it's most interesting, mr. viktora, mr. mykola. what do we need to do this time so that the lesson of history is learned because it seemed so oh 40 40th year so the nkvd mass exterminates the count of those killed goes into the thousands and decades pass and it is a shock for us again that the russians are exterminating ukrainians oh for most people eh oh oh that information that we voiced voiced and discussed it will be a shock in general because about it is not they don't talk about it, they don't write it, they don't study it in schools . yes, i don't know why until today, 30

years of ukraine's independence, these facts have not been made public. and not everyone knows about them, but our journalist colleagues, when we were preparing, they were shocked by what information we there we found and will make public why in 30 years we did not write this history of ukraine's war in world war ii our participation and role russia's role in it the real role that helped us to understand and not to give i am sure that the ukrainian people did not give ani would sign the gas agreements there, ratify the continuation of giving chornomorsky for gas , that is, there is a lot that could not have happened if we taught this history, why do we not teach it, mr. viktor, but i would like to start with the unity of material culture under the soviet russian thesis, this is

absolutely absolute nonsense, really at a certain time in the 12-13th century, that the territory of ukraine, that of russia, or the territory of modern belarus had a unity of material culture, exclusively of water materials, they knew how to make jars and pots of the same type the size of the same technology, but if you now have an apple phone, if it is the soul of a boy, it will be an apple phone, if an american girl has an apple phone, this absolutely does not mean that you are one people, but you are simply using at a certain moment a certain achievement of your civilization, this is all the more unnecessary why since here is an absolutely tiny thesis, well weak from a historical point of view, to constantly pay it well, i ca n't understand this, what is needed, i sincerely believe that we are now in a war for independence, er, a war for the independence of a person who was in his time who was introduced by bohdan khmelnytsky as a cossack state which was

led by the ukrainian people's republic which was led by the ukrainian rebels, that is, uh, us, the war , independence is being considered with my colleagues. i could n't actually name any state in the world, what independence is true independence is always written with a capital letter. it was achieved simply and without any conflict. every country in the world chose its independence to one degree or another through economic conflict. armed conflict through one way or another, when we have years, when we did not fight it, we have been keeping our bank for our entire history, here is the war for independence and what needs to be done, we need to leave ukraine, we need to win the war for independence, you in a military format with historians, historical journalists in the media space, we all of us are now working

on the war for our independence, we are reporting this to the people , mykola. please tell me your opinion about why we have wasted time for 30 years and did not study this history that we are discussing today, and whether if we were to study it, it would help to stop what is happening now, we are not gaia's time, but i'm talking about professional historians who worked as a narrative of the real and not fictional history of ukraine, but the ukrainian politician was the ukrainian state, they did very little zadlarization of the real history of ukraine and that is why the majority of those who belong to the older generation do not know this history and even the generation of our children and grandchildren. they also sometimes use narratives that

come from the textbooks of the same russian or soviet authors i would say that here the state of ukraine and its authorities should pay maximum attention to the popularization of this ukrainian narrative, including the history of the second world war, we are talking about the lessons of history that are not learned. they are almost copying nazi germany in the current russian-ukrainian war , such crimes that would seem to have no place in modern history, and all because unpunished evil tends to repeat itself, what am i talking about? that after the second world war there was not even an attempt at revanchism in germany, and nazism was in the

broadest sense of the word, why was there a nuremberg tribunal that punished not only the nazis who started the second world war , but also banned the nazi ideology from trial over the communist ideology evil happened and was not punished, it returned again, boryvanism was driven by vladimir putin and is moving now in what we call the subjugation of ukraine and the determination of its path , so when we talk about the lessons of history, they can be learned under the condition that everything is civilized the world community will pay attention to the fact that the soviet union, led by stalin. no undefeated since the second world war, we must write the historical truth that this victory

over nazism with the participation of the ussr would have been impossible from the american lend-lease of the lend-lease that ukraine will receive today it was impossible only by the hands of russian soldiers and officers, as putin has been telling us about this for more than 10 years we have to point out to the world the decisive role of ukrainians in world war ii and the victory of by nazism, because from 8 to 10 million ukrainians laid their lives on the altar of this victory. when we were colleagues, natalka-fiblik, who lives there and works for the television news service, a journalist, was filming the broadcast when we were colleagues. she says that even now many germans thank the russians and they feel it is uncomfortable in front of the russians precisely because of what the nazis created, this narrative, this myth must be

destroyed , and precisely because of what they say. mr. mykola yes, but what kind of communism, yes, if we have already built a new, more terrible ideology, just understand the russians. yes, there is a mix of everything , you understand a mix of communism, stalinism, nazism, well , that is, you know the little things of everything are being built, and it’s about nuremberg, so how can i disagree with you here, well , i cannot agree at all yes, you are right. but shurnberg was in the judgment of the victors over the vanquished. yes, what is the plan of the ukrainian state, what of the world community? no one is talking about plans to go to moscow. to calm down yes yes that's what they said about the world community yes and here the world is for you the community is not what to condemn here the world community can't make up its mind so how are we going to refuse

russian gas over there that's all it's a trifle yes and here you know this is putin's great ideology yes, this is the grandfathers who fought. this is so that we can say at the beginning of the program that this is the great victory of the grandfathers. this is like a justification for everything in this world, and first of all, the personal poverty of russians. while preparing for the material, we studied a lot of archival of footage and now i ask you to show the footage, it’s more of a face-to -face rumbling of the people, but we can now see these footage on the screen, yes, these are events that took place, judging by the credits, in the dnipropetrovsk region, collective farm workers are looking for something from the kulaks, so they find something from the kukulites, here you just need to comment and see the collective farm that they found a box with ammunition and weapons. so now we will see a kulak, what a bush looks like. so, we remember what kulaks are. yes, they are wealthy people in the sense of the

bolsheviks, so other kulaks opoichenko omelko on a wealthy person does not look like a wealthy person in the sense of the bolsheviks, you know what they stand for and that they found buttons on him, fabric, a wealthy person and fabric, and this is what actually works, you see, we have watched these shots several times, and this is actually, in my opinion, a new ideology of exactly this very thing of the russian world, so it's normal to live in poverty. to live poor is normal. the main thing is that you have, so it's not important . these are your grandfathers, their grandsons - these are the same russian soldiers who took out from buchi what washing machines and what kind of carpets and what kind of carpets they brought, that's all

right, the car that they now say when they enter germany is always in german. they said the clock and loved it very much. watches for years on the hand of a soviet soldier it was the norm to say about the second world war, it is very interesting that there are statistics about it, they say about the decisive role of the russian people in the victory, in fact, if you take it statistically, they recently calculated that uh, ukraine the war swept through ukraine two or three times, even these offensives went back and forth. and on the russian territory, guess how much of the russian territory was captured by the fascists during the second world war, 10%. 3%, three only three percent and well, that is , only about two hundred russian cities and towns were destroyed or somehow bombed, and

about 7,000 ukrainians were completely destroyed. the war for independence began it was in 1921 when we tried to create and obtain our independent ukraine in the form in which we more or less see it today on our map . with the proclamation of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic as the capital in kharkiv - on december 25, 1917, it was the first occupation administration directed by russia into ukraine and by the russian bolsheviks into ukraine, and in fact on the 21st year, ukraine passed

before the war for independence, because the ukrainian people lost this independent state, the republic, and even now this war really is, if not a century-old, then at least one that lasts for several centuries, because we understand that the attempt to destroy ukraine is not only 1917-21 or the current war - it is an attempt which actually had time dimensions that differed only in the names of the russian states, there was the moscow empire, the russian empire, the soviet union, and now the russian federation, and they all wanted to destroy us. i would like one remark regarding the trial of communist ideology, why am i insisting on this, and it is about the fact that communism, nazism, italian

fascism are classic totalitarian ideologies, the common roots of both communism and nazism, and we can see this in the actions and disgraceful acts committed by the russian army in ukraine - this is precisely the product of nazism , communism, totalitarianism and one more thing that is important. and what i would like ukrainians to believe is that i did not leave the victory in the war for independence, and that ukraine is recapturing the temporarily occupied territories, and that the trial of the ideology will take place soon. will happen when the world will not only understand the cause of this universal evil, which is the current russian federation, but will also understand that

unpunished evil must be punished and there is no statute of limitations for crimes. stalin was in the camp of winners in the 45th year, but in 2022 year, putin will not be in the camp of the winners, and you and i did not believe that ukraine could stand alone in the war with russia. and now we see how an anti -putin coalition was created with the participation of forty countries of the world, and this anti-putin coalition is like in 1940 x years the anti-hitler movement has every chance of success, they would not have supported us ukrainians in this war, i mean the civilized countries of the world if they did not believe in our victory and then actually dictate not only

ukraine, but also our partners the international rules of the game because the violation of international law to which the regime of vladimir putin succeeds with impunity, there should be a full stop to this, and ukraine and its victory in the war of liberation, the war for independence, whatever we want to call it, it will mean the establishment of a new world order, new rules of the game which russia will not find a proper place, even though it has nuclear potential, an incredible speech in fact and it actually reveals the whole model of actions of the world and ukraine and the authorities and anyone in order to bring the matter to an end but it seems to me to start it is necessary from the world recognition of the term racism, yes, in order

to judge putin and his entourage under this brand, as was the case with nazism, if mr. mykola said that russia will not finally find a place in the civilized world, then it is possible even without recognition resolutely understand, we will cut it off, and this is also a very good option for me. thank you, friends. thank you for an incredible conversation. mykola, it was very interesting to hear and i hope that our viewers, er, also learned a lot of interesting things, and really, i think that the history of the second world war is taught at school to study in exactly this format in this context and then ukrainian schoolchildren will not have wives of any kind, but i, for example , will definitely tell my children, then grandchildren, then great-grandchildren, what i heard, because they need to know in fact, it’s a shame that this kind of fraternal behavior does not happen again , and that later such victims of

rape, abuse, torture, or such things never happen again, we must personally make an effort not to forget history, we will definitely not forget it, especially our generation that saw a real war and knows the value of a name and in human life and what is fascism, friends, we will finish it. thanks to viktor boyuk for joining our broadcast, it was interesting to hear what was happening here in lutsk, and friends, let's move on our colleagues with you were 1+1 night watch nataliya ostrovska yevhen kuksyn stas yasynskyi yevhen plinskyi see you later you will learn the lessons of history and teach it to the children see you we will convince defeat we will win the news for thinking unconquered cities of ukraine this is a cozy and

comfortable kharkiv a city of students of science and industry a city which since ancient times was repeatedly attacked by tatars , passed both into the hands of bolshevik invaders and would have given german fascists, but kharkiv led and kept ukraine in his heart then and now kharkiv undefeated, we all unite and work together for the sake of eva's smile, who brought diapers serhiy and natalka, with joyful eyes, grandmother alina, who brought bread, maksym, the strong hugs of grandfather andriy, who needed medicine so much for all this to happen, we created a platform and i help where everyone who wants to can help those who it is needed, together we

restore the country by helping each other so that everyone is sure that there is always help nearby, their people cried when they saw our boys . on other continents they will not forget you alina ukraine true friendship is stronger than war defenders of mariupol you are a symbol of indomitability wedding heroes all of ukraine is with you the city stands the city no one gives up i want to be so brave

thank you for the opportunity to hug my children lie down cat or dog i am her i will grow up, keep our faith , our spirit is only for you, i can play and not be afraid of the enemy. thank you, all of ukraine is praying for you!" let there be ukraine glory to ukraine glory to the defenders of mariupol rebuild the parash let's launch we'll win what you no news, together we are strong on the morning of the 80th day of the full-scale war with ukraine, the 1+1 team continues its work within the framework of the joint marathon about the new chernobaivka for the russians and american weapons on the front in this issue of tsn, and we start with the current situation on the fronts here's what it is now the heaviest battles near rubizhny and lysychansk in north donets, the enemy does not conduct offensive actions in the

kharkiv direction, rather tries