this newly imported gasoline and diesel will already go to retail. that is, we have to wait there for 15-20 days with this total deficit in order to fill the reserves and then it will be heaven on earth 13,000 tons per day please fill up as much as you want or not, well if and so and no, that is, part of it really goes to reserves. well, they do not increase, in other words, everything that is imported is sold, so talk about the fact that they do not supply oil filling stations in order to accumulate, then this is not quite. yes, this is the first position, the second position is a very important aspect. i agree with regard to price regulation, it is also a mistake of the government when it actually creates problems today, but also the fact that, for example, they limited the amount of e-e dispensing of fuel to tens of liters as a result of which queues are formed when a person sees queues, he psychologically understands that there is supposedly a shortage and as a result of this shortage and realizing that there is none there and so on, he began to stand

longer and, accordingly, drove a little and became the next in line when he found out that there was gasoline there. that is, this is already such a psychological factor of purchase some buy not only but we are talking about reserves not only for themselves, they fill up their tanks accordingly and also canisters to the maximum extent possible because it is not known when this issue will be resolved, so here i still believe that the government is once again acting reactively and does not resolve this issue let's say the problem is strategic, the same applies to issues such as the movement of public transport, it would be possible to reduce consumption if you people now traveled instead of using your own cars more on public transport, but we see in the same kyiv ah public transport is significantly limited, their number is insufficient, as a result, people still choose a car, understanding that waiting for a long time will not work. that is, it could also be a certain e-e decision, that is, there are a lot of opportunities to reduce consumption, including within the country, including a call for citizens of

ukraine to refuse trips if they are not urgent, this would also be the right step, but we concentrated our attention on the fact that we need to satisfy the corresponding demand, we adjust the price without understanding that the situation in the west of ukraine is different from the situation in the east of ukraine, as a result, the logistics are different and the cost can be different, but we set a single price for the whole of ukraine, so i think that here it was necessary to approach the solution of this problem more professionally, but maybe you know how well, when you say that the situation is radically changing. yes, and it is different from the west and the east , i don’t know. well, we are now in the studio in the western region, and here the same situation is just gasoline. well, there is no, and i myself personally i go to work on a tram for a week, on a trolleybus , you understand, and without any appeals, because the car is parked under the studio, i drive good trolleybuses

, trams are a little worse, that is, i like trolleybuses better, but the government reports that everything is fine with us, everything is fine, gasoline is delivered to us 13,000 tons per day, everything is fine. well, it's fine if. well, if. sorry, it's not fine. well, let's put it mildly . here, i would like to take a moment to understand that there are a lot of refugees in the west of ukraine , and as a result, the demand there is much more than everyone in previous years, there was much more and people drove cars there. well, there is a large enough number of cars , and as a result, the situation increases with demand. i was not talking about the availability. those cities that are located in the east, for example, kharkiv, there is also a serious problem there, so the issue must of course be solved by the complex yuriy and your assessment , after all, i think that the government, well, i am there without criticism

. yes. in the conditions of war, we understand everything there difficulties, difficulties, but well, let's tell the truth to people. well, why are the relations so solemn, er, bravado, so that everything will be fine with us, although people come to the gas station and see a queue of 50 cars there. well, i say, i go to the city for a month, and i get food on a trolleybus for a week excellent transport, but well, when i hear such statements, well, i feel the same way, well, it becomes a little bit, well, either they consider me idiots or they simply do not understand what is happening or they are not in control of the situation, please no, i will repeat that the process is very difficult today, see repair of supply channels because it was earlier when the question arose before february 24. and what will happen if russia stops supplying gasoline and diesel to belarus and that's it. well, after all, it is unlikely that this will happen, and only when by sea, what alternative did we have, the question arose compensation, then for 3-6 months we managed to organize the sea supply channels cheap and, in

principle, relatively reliable, and here we switched to such an unpopular channel, to put it mildly for a long time, the entire system of these channels will be divided for the second time - the channel means the logistics chain, that's why i'm saying that i mentioned that if the state, in principle, wanted to be involved in this process, it should also include the european commission in this process, says a separate european countries, so that in fact it would be rude to use the language there, uh, if there was such a gas market there, oil like that, where would we take that resource, gasoline, diesel, for us, this is already the first moment , that is, the problem is that it is very difficult today it's still a good idea to carry it, yes, it was an interview when they asked if you agree with him. yes, there is also a problem with networks, that is, war is war, you know, and the market remains a market, and everyone wants to

make money. the fact that these limits are these restrictions, yes, they try in a certain way. this is how the networks try to minimize their losses. yes, let's get lost in the fact that they didn't earn what they wanted to earn. i would still like to say that this regulated price is an administrative price. it should remain because in the conditions of war . should receive such a price, but the state must then develop this mechanism, then we are the coefficient of the regulated price that was introduced, so it must be changed, the state must change it, the time has come and that is, or really consider the option of direct subsidies, subventions for this, let the price remain uah 44, uah 40, but the state must allocate this

compensation to these private companies objectively, because otherwise then we cannot speak, because these companies see if they used to earn, there was always a discussion about the margin they had a good margin. now we won't talk about it either. which one is in koblevo already, but they have it. let's say that, and now there is no question of development, and for them, for them, it is about surviving and staying, because what you mentioned there poles we can i really want this question, yes. when they come , my friends, the polish network. they will take away part of the market, for example. and they will take away a piece of bread. we still have time, nine or eight minutes, mr. ilya . look, turning to the wall. will the price be the same as now, 38-40 gasoline 44 diesel will be limited or will it be liberalized and amount to uah 60, as yuriy kovalchuk said, please, look, i agree with regard to , for example, fuel for social services, for example, our military, and so on, so why not regulate exactly this price and, accordingly, what will the price be

established conditionally speaking for all other categories market, and which is formed accordingly, usually under the control of the antimonopoly committee in this case and consumption, because i think to a certain extent have fallen, but so far at the moment, eh, i see the government's policy and the government will not release the price there in principle, the walrus is small, but you have to understand that the infrastructure is destroyed, if you destroy one oil depot, another oil depot, and so on, then you have a loss of assets, you need to compensate in some way, so you have the current operational there is profit, but what are you going to do to restore the infrastructure that you have destroyed, and i'm sorry, but the government does not give an answer to this, that is, it believes that somewhere these owners should pull out of their own pockets to rebuild all the infrastructure and, accordingly, supply it, that's what the problem is therefore, the owners make a decision on the sale , which increases the margin, and this is indeed the profit, the operating profit, but with the understanding that

in the future they have to restore the height of the infrastructure, which is now being destroyed when, excuse me, 23 rockets fly to the kremenchug plant, i'm sorry, at the expense of which it will be restored, where will these funds be taken to do accordingly, that's why such a decision is made, that's why it's impossible to approach my conviction this is the way it is, after all, if we were to approach this issue more flexibly, then in this case, at least we didn't have a shortage, as far as i'm concerned, the question of price is at the moment more secondary than the question of availability, because if there is no gasoline, then what difference does it make at what price you do n't have the car is standing and you have pedish or to get to the destination in some other way, and this is a problem. that is, you are right about the liberalization of prices, yes, i am liberalizing the market and for a fixed price for supplies, for example, to those tangled individual categories that now perform social functions, doctors, therefore, emerging military firefighters of the ministry of emergencies and so on,

it is clear now about this network of husks of the cabinet praised the decision to transfer 172 no wonder they had gas stations of the glusco network once it was called tnk tyumenska neftyanaya kompaniya regarding the first russian-ukrainian war in the management of the state-owned company naftogaz reported this. to go to the state and work for the good of our country and all ukrainians. well, let me remind you that the day before yesterday , the parliament praised the law on the confiscation of russian and belarusian assets in ukraine, and the cordo network of gas stations in lutsk was linked to viktor medvedchuk, although formally she had a swiss registration. if i'm not mistaken, there was an office there, a computer, two computers, a chair was located somewhere on the territory of the

swiss confederation , yuriy. this socar can be purchased, or rather, this blouse can be purchased by the azerbaijani company socar, when did the medvedchuk problem begin with the law, then sokar refused this offer, now they call poland the largest oil in poland they mine, they process orlen, it is called for how much it is realistic, where will glusko now be in the administration of the state or in the administration of poland, i don’t even know if it is private or semi-state, semi-private corporations, orlen, please, uh, these people are legally what orlem, considering that a large part of fuel the volume will go through poland so it is logical that they would want to come here and they will come i think simply with regard to the end of the war and martial law or at least such a certain peaceful stage, let's call it so so far so

in fact, they will take such a step, and this is precisely why naftogaz appears, which this company owns. today, these gas stations will be transferred and naftogaz will not manage them. this is not an optimal solution for naftogaz. there is no such experience. once upon a time, 15 years ago, they practically tried to create a network and to really develop well, it failed even then and the economic reasons were better then. and now the ukrain acquisition network, which they have, well, it is small. that is, it occupies its own small segment and it is not worth talking about it either. naftogaz is considered here as a certain provider of fuel, which it will receive from poland, that is, from the european market, well, mainly from poland, and then distribute it here. i ask the next question: how effective will this step be , controlled by the antimonopoly committee, as i have already mentioned, and by other law enforcement agencies well, let's say that there were no abuses and, accordingly , i think that most likely.

but if it is really a state project and the supply of state fuel and then it will be distributed further, then it will be possible to control the price, for example, and volumes . that in principle, i will repeat, part of the resource will go from there to that region, and accordingly it is natural that the business will want to be present here in what form and in what quantity or will it be carried out later because there is a big question there part gas stations have actually already been, well, resold, to put it mildly , that is, they are already owned by other owners, for example, where did yury stay ? dear mr. ilya, i, as a person, was born in the soviet union, and you were born there, as i am categorically against the state ownership of gas stations, because i remember the soviet union, these gas stations, all the little windows

where some aunt sat there, who was there only because you could and could see the window with the white hair dyed there and these pyrohydrol white hairs, and something had to be shoved in there. well, here you pour no service yourself, somewhere there, dogs are running around this gas station. well, complete chaos and destruction, you are in favor of naftogaz having its own property. well, that’s it. as i understand it, one of the largest networks, 172 stations is enough for the whole of ukraine, is it still the case that a private investor is involved? i am for the poles, the only question is how to attract this orlen here, what to attract him in the conditions of the war in ukraine, or after all, it will be for them a fairly favorable offer has been made, how do you predict the forecast, well, first of all, i disagree with you about the state presence, that is, absolutely, when the state enters any competitive market, then incomprehensible regulation begins, which leads to the distortion of this market, so of course i am against it, but at the same time i also believe that the

threat of monopolization of the market i do not see, especially now during the war, now there are special conditions, and therefore the transfer of naftogaz, of course, they will not buy at this very moment, and they will seek exactly to use these gas stations in order to sell gasoline and this is i think the right step because they were in fact standing on the issue that someone there overbought . they don't need to cry about the fact that they have now paid someone accordingly and in fact they supposedly had their gas stations and then i was left to rest because the operation with them could not be done, i'm sorry, it's not their problem pity such people, people decided to make money, they didn’t succeed, well, this is business, you made a mistake, you wanted to bypass ukrainian laws, ukrainian sanctions didn’t work out, then i’m sorry, but now we will act

according to the law, so let them be now naftogaz’s order and then , of course, there is only so that it was sold and accordingly, of course, the polish company would be excellently represented considering that it is unlikely that the logistics will be changed normally in the near future, that is, in some other directions. that is, we will mainly receive from europe, accordingly, poles would they provided us with a sufficient, let's say, uninterrupted supply of fuel to our country, and again, they ensured competition because we have competition inside. of course, there is competition, but i'm sorry for the foreign players, it's a little too little for me, it could be, let's say more, in order for this market to competitive conditions, respectively, and acquired a larger share of the market than now. well, what about the question of the ridiculously interesting with what discount did the new owners buy - this is a sanctioned property, there are also questions about this.

polish business in ukrainian well, in ukrainian and in investments in ukraine in war conditions, using the example of overland, and i said to me that as long as the war continues and as long as there is martial law, i think we are measuring too little. they have them and in fact, roughly speaking, their fuel will be sold on other networks as well. that way, where can we see? hm. thank you, mr. yuriy, yuriy korolchuk and ilya ne skadovskyi, our experts. thank you for an interesting conversation. let's hope that gasoline will appear at ukrainian gas stations, at least at some price. also, so that we don't have something like this under well, like from underground, like in the soviet union, there is nothing zero on the ceiling, and then you go in and there they sell cash for 50 to 60 hryvnias per liter, please, as much as you want. pour as much as you want in circumventing the tax legislation and the money goes straight into your pocket, but it is not known who and what kind of scammers are out there who want to make money from this. thank you for your

participation. now we will talk about the european union. oil in the sixth package of sanctions despite difficult negotiations regarding its introduction, the british agency reuters reports that there will be no delay or relaxation of oil sanctions against russia. and slovakia, hungary has already announced the figures that it has, the amounts that it can lose from the embargo , it seems to be about 700 million e-e dollars. let's talk in bulgaria, the czech republic, in hungary and slovakia, and now let's talk about this story about the sixth package with volodymyr volya, an expert on

international relations, and hanna hopko, the head of the board of the association network for the protection of national interests . the english language is translated by a deputy of the previous convocation, she was the head of the committee on foreign affairs, we welcome you, dear colleagues. good health, we hear you, mrs. hanna. let's talk about your fears, why still the sixth package of sanctions from the eu has not been implemented, and i am asking about this separate position of bulgaria, the czech republic, hungary and slovakia. well, let's say frankly that hungary is not surprising to us, because all 9 years of russian armed aggression against hungary, the hungarians often behaved like a russian proxy, then they blocked macro-financial assistance, then they blocked the meeting of the ukraine nato commission. now we see such an absolutely uh-uh incomprehensible in the conditions of the war and the fact that we all remember how soviet tanks

were in budapest and why we are still asking for an embargo and the germans and the french and the united states of america to talk separately with the hungarians in order for this embargo to work because the idea of ​​an embargo, the ukrainian side and experts such as mykhailo gonchar from the center for global studies strategy 21 are saying something about the beginning of a full-scale invasion since the end of february, we have been saying that only the oil embargo is will be one of such heavy blows and even since the 79th day of the war and we are still convincing after buchi after mariupol after the acts of genocide why europe should not count the price increase with the price of which it pays when we pay and pay for the freedom of europe, including human lives. therefore, now there is another idea - this is to introduce an oil embargo against the russian federation from the usa and

establish a separate regime of banning the access of oil tankers to the black and baltic seas , because it only goes from the baltic sea oil exports of the russian federation, no one imports oil there anymore , and in the area of ​​the danish straits from the north sea side, it is possible, for example, with the forces of the royal air force of britain to block the entry of empty tankers for loading at russian terminals. therefore, in addition to pressuring the energy embargo, let's also remember the sluggish position regarding gas, because this is a more time-consuming issue that requires diversification of the construction of the interconnector from poland to ukraine. and that's why there are such certain difficulties here but i think that it is necessary to push because in russia there will be enough for 45 days and even during this period of a full-scale invasion , if there was political readiness from the very beginning and

not resistance, then the russians would already have dozens problems of what to do with oil because of their storages. if it wasn't for you, there would already be problems and they wouldn't be able to resell this oil, let's say, to some other countries . the eu can offer hungary monetary compensation for refusing oil from russia, the european union is considering such a possibility, the european union is considering such a possibility in relation to the sixth package . sans, which provides for a gradual rejection, hungary can receive compensation within the framework of the new energy strategy e repower, which is planned to be presented on may 18, that is, literally in a few days, they say the purpose of this report is to talk about the publication of power and the phased abandonment of russian fossil fuels long before the 30th year. it seems that only coal will be fossilized now. according to information from politicians, politicians, such

a project was discussed on may 8, but hungary said that it needs more time, the publication notes, and the only thing is that i still cannot find this information, but i definitely read that hungary has already evaluated 500 million dollars a year is given from this embargo and they need another 200 million one-time millions of dollars for the reconstruction of their oil refinery, which seems to be focused exclusively on russian oil, if it will work with other oil, then it needs another 200 million one-time for the restructuring of its production volodymyr, is it true? everything rested on this hungary or not. the truth rested on hungary , but here. if we talk about specific states, hungary is really bulgaria, and slovakia. if to talk about the essence of the problem, it is a very big one hundred percent dependence, which was formed under the various governments of these countries, precisely the bucket

of supplies of russian oil and fossil fuels, you mentioned there, this also applies to oil and gas, that is, everything that is produced from - it doesn’t matter if coal is dug underground with a shovel or whatever, relatively speaking, it comes out of the ground under pressure as oil and gas, so giving up coal is a prospect for a year, it’s possible for someone for a little more than a year, and what concerns for others, there are really ongoing discussions about marvel and so on. this kind of government tried to create the conditions for staying in power, and the party in power , uh, to stay until the 32nd year, it seems like two or three years ago, there was a speech by uh, urbana and he just i outlined my political plans for a decade ahead, i commented on it then, so hungary is really

trying to decide now - the hungarian government is trying to preserve for itself the conditions of a long-term stay in the government, and they are clinging to these contracts that are beneficial for them, but for the supply of russian oil and gas, that's why it's really the selfishness of a hunchback and an organism that i'm with the council for the european union and for ukraine. again , why is everything taking so long? excuse me , the european union, membership in the european union requires compliance with the entire bureaucracy, and where everything is decided by consensus, the question arises again should the european union change the decision-making rules instead of a full consensus by a qualified majority vote, most likely there will not be a qualified majority vote, so now the leadership of the european union and some the most gendered countries are trying to solve this

issue, on the one hand, to preserve the unity of the european union, on the other hand, to still reach the agreement of everyone on this oil embargo. unfortunately, we are hostages of this bureaucracy, which is based on the principles of the main ones, which are laid in the basis of heating decisions in general. on behalf of the european union, i think that this is how hungary will receive compensation, and here comes a new moment of truth, which says that even after receiving compensation, including for the conversion of their oil refineries, they will still turn their noses simply saying yes, then it will be possible to talk about the fact that hungary is actually working out cheap cheap gas for cheap cars from russia, er, deliberately working out, that is, the assumption that hungary passed or guessed about

russia's preparation for war against ukraine back in august in september of last year when they were working on this agreement, this is an assumption that has very good reasons, but if hungary refuses to introduce a bar at all, even from your full phased one, it will mean that hungary will definitely she knew and she is definitely working cheap russian gas can be on putin's salary, i understood , look at the selfishness of orban and the unity of the eu if the sixth such eu sanctions will be adopted without an embargo on oil, the unity of the eu will be destroyed because of the position of one country hungary, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine stated this dmytro kuleba statement quote we are all looking forward to the outcome of the drama in the eu related to the approval of the sixth package of eu sanctions if this package is approved without embargoes i think president putin can celebrate because he

it will be a certain case when the unity of the eu will be destroyed due to the position of one country, hungary . therefore, we believe and hope that there will be success in reaching a consensus, said kuleba to our colleagues, content, happy friday, where he participated in the meeting of the minister of foreign affairs of the affairs of gsaven countries, mrs. hanna, can the unity of the eu really be under threat, well, in the end, well, here is what. well, it is possible to be excluded from the eu and if it has such an unyielding position. financial traps of the european union and it will probably be a precedent, but in the end i don't think that the european union will suffer from this. what are your predictions? well, let's frankly note what a full-scale russian armed aggression is. it only exacerbated the problems that have long existed in the european union, strategic corruption that the kremlin used to bribe officials in the

european union to the union, it is not only nord stream-2 , in fact, in every eu country, a lot has been invested in the creation of such loyal pro-russian politicians, hungary has combined here in particular, our own certain ambitions. we understand very well that if that scenario, thank god, he did not succeed in the people with admiration for kyiv for several days, then i think that some of our western eh neighbors also had certain ambitions. and why you are under this uh this situation and not those old dreams that they have uh about the territory of annexation in the same way. therefore, we have to understand that it is not only the european union that has problems, the organization of the united nations because of we understand russia's right of veto, which is the right to kill what about nato now, when uh, one country also opposes joining finland, and we'll see

if this country doesn't create problems for us in the black sea on turkey, which will start blackmailing nato, and either you put this question on hold or we allow russia to use the black sea and something else, so we must understand that the full-scale aggression, the war against ukraine exposed the problem of de-derization of the problem of such moral degradation or moral pancronism of all world institutions, it is like the league of nations that could not recognize and record the holodomor as genocide, and only after the second world war, many countries from the institutions of creation. now we see bankruptcy or a decrease in efficiency in the eu, and it is obvious, and at all meetings we say that if hungary continues to behave like a russian proxy, undermining the eu, then it is obvious that the eu, although they have, you know , the trauma of britain's exit from the eu is really exacerbated by

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