to hope that ukraine can sit on these two chairs, even from a humanitarian point of view, is not to realize in which world we now live, it will be education or democracy, where is the united states , great britain, or authoritarianism - this is the world of russia, china, this will be a big world, i think after the attack of china to taiwan, this world will be clearly divided borders with civilized worlds we will fight for decades the question of where will the territory of ukraine be at this time in the democratic world as an independent state or will it become part of the russian the federation will simply be a reservoir for an attack on the democratic world. and all this does not apply to mariupol, but this is the reality that we will live in, i think in the next decade, when it will become obvious that china and russia are capable of creating a coalition to fight against democracy, or we will tear russia out of this coalition, this is still a chance democratic russia will undoubtedly be a great ally of the united states and europe but you see now what kind of russia, what kind of democratic russia can we talk about now, russia is isolating itself, becoming more and more like china, the same china the law really wanted to flourish for two years not very

competent officials in the ukrainian government " , to always have the opportunity to compromise and dialogue with them, actually it was and even until the month of april for many many countries it remains completely, it is impossible to ask hungary which maintains its clear pro-russian position today in europe. and by the way, the ukrainian delegation will

raise questions about uh-uh in the discussions of the parliamentary stables of nato about hungary's further membership in the populist alliance. well, i understand that, but it's also do you understand that all these hopes for russia on the part of the western countries have led to this situation in which modern ukraine is, the fact that the skunk absolutely did not give himself an account of what is really happening. well, it seems to me that even the president at the beginning of his the president hoped that president putin is aware of the threat that comes from china to russia, and in moscow everyone understands that the real threat to russian authoritarianism is america and the european union, there are no blankets there and there is nowhere to go. germany and france, again, especially in the first months of the war, she herself testifies to this, and even today, when the country appears from eh to

apply an embargo eh hmm, there is a clear line about this clearly, and it seems to me that there is a secret in poland too eh in an exact dream, they imagine a complete explosion of relations with the russian federation, we will return to military issues from now on, we had a call from the people's deputy of ukraine, as well as the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and inter- parliamentary cooperation, solomiya bobrovska and now we are in touch with the commander of the kharkiv special unit azov kraken kostyantyn nemich in kostyantyn i congratulate you i congratulate you well, in fact, we can talk with you about that contract counteroffensive where the head of the kharkiv administration oleg sinogubov was talking about is a very topic ago that if we can really knock the russians out from under the raisin, it will completely destroy all the plans to encircle the ukrainian army in the east and, in principle, will contribute to the liberation of kharkiv oblast, do you agree with

the point of view of uh-uh western analysts that uh-uh lost the battle for kharkiv and not only for kharkiv, this is where it is very important to speak for kharkiv oblast, for slobojan oblast. yes, of course, but it is still too early to speak for it, because if we take kharkiv up there, then in principle there is a purge going on there . people die every day, i.e. soldiers are wounded, i.e. it is not for nothing that they do not poke, they have taken positions and they are on the defensive and we have to storm them, so it is not just that it happens, in principle well, according to the raisin, yes, i agree - this is their main channel, they now there are wolves they have set up a road for themselves, and they use this road to supply donbas, that is, they want to take over donbas, and in principle , they use this road to deliver

bc products and everything else. that is why i think that of course what if we block this channel, it will make the situation very difficult for them, but it is also not so easy to do everything, right now there is american european weapons and, in principle, long-range weapons . it's all moving along the roads and we can cause them a lot of trouble, but well, it is too early to talk about a counteroffensive in the raisin direction, we still need to clear the direction we are currently working on, that is, up kharkiv, and then proceed to the next stages, that's why, in principle, this is the situation for now, and in principle

, in your opinion, this also applies to the north of ukraine and kharkiv oblast, we can in principle say that this idea can still be advanced in many directions at once, expecting that a large number of territories will immediately come under your control. in the russian case, in general, it was somehow incomprehensible, because, in principle, you know all the classics of wars are against going in such and such directions at the same time, hoping for success in all directions. this is how it is even in the textbooks that are studied in military schools on what is written in the academies. maybe the russians were just gathering for a parade, a parade in kyiv, a parade in kharkiv, and that's why it's so ambiguous from the point of view of any military analysis. well, of course. they went with rubber cakes, that is, they received

information that they were met here, that they wanted to see them here, that the local population would immediately join the militia, or whatever they were presented with, that is, they were the first convoys with various sticks of several disaffected people, but in fact, well they began to be met, but with machine guns , so in principle, uh, they deployed all over ukraine and uh, they were defeated in most of the territory, uh, this is their very big mistake there, i don’t know, their markings worked like that and reported information that everything will be very simple and everything turned out to be not very simple and they lost most of the personnel there and lost most of the equipment because of these mistakes and this is their big mistake because they have an army eh, and in the near future

it will not be combat -ready, they will start mobilization, they will start sending people without experience to the front, this will also be a big mistake because there will be even more losses, even more discontented people will start in russia, and uh, people will start leaving. i mean, as i see it, we will win when the regime falls and the regime will fall when we win, well, everything is very simple eh and eh now people from inside russia eh should just get up and get their own so that there eh their sons or there parents are not sent to ukraine that they should refuse to do these criminal orders and, in principle, when putin's regime will no longer rely on the people, you know how

the meat will make money, then they will be defeated in our territory. after all, in the near future he will be defeated and we will simply release ours territory and we will only have to build a strong and independent state. of course, the neighbor will not go anywhere, but it is played in ours so that it develops and everything is very good. well, this is an example that should be for us. and tell me, please. when you liberate the territory of kharkiv oblast from the russians what do you see there? well, we can see. everything is the same as in the kyiv region, and the same in the kharkiv region, that is, they came to the kharkiv region in the early days of the war. when the war began, of course, people did not have time to leave after than the russian army it was established that they did not release people to ukraine, they

released people only to bilhorod , e.e., they took away people's mobile phones, the means of communication, they took away cars, that is, you could only move on foot or not by bicycle, the cars of civilians were shot. people, just civilians, were shot on the streets. the basement, and i will remind you that the first days of the war were there on february 24, when it was -20 there, that is, people were without electricity, without water , well, all these weekends, in principle, people were tortured under all these conditions, and when for example, we liberated roskoluzova, we evacuated 900 people there in the first hours to kharkiv because, well, when the russian army loses positions, it starts to simply criticize with artillery all those settlements that they have lost there, and it is not

very safe for people to be there either i want to appeal to the people that now it is not very safe to return to these settlements, there are a lot of mines, a lot of unexploded shells. that is, this is a job for the soldiers and they have to work and after that we have to go there to return to their homes, but it is not very safe for now. oleg er blue-lipped says that 2,000 er inhabitants of the city return to kharkiv every day. do you think they can return now? people can return to the regional center of the city of kharkiv itself, little by little . but this does not mean that there may not be some kind of counteroffensive there tomorrow. that is, it is... well, maybe they will set some priorities there and be. their priority is on the donbas and the city of kharkiv, and therefore it is also dangerous now,

we have to fix on positions we need take up the defense and then we will have to understand that our border is safe and then, as they say, we will return home, but for now, well, people are returning, of course, people do not live there in their homes, they are not comfortable, but we have to wait a little. and there after how do you expect to talk about the counteroffensive? well, i understand correctly that in any case now we should expect some kind of counteroffensive from the russians until it ends. this battle for donbass is probably not appropriate in this direction. from a military point of view, of course, but we don't understand what's in putin's head, that is, he understands that now he is there in the kharkiv region, the vovchan-ukrainian raisin, that is, the road to the donbass, he will understand that there

is no way out there and it is possible there to rotate the troops in another direction. that is, it is uh, well, it is a small percentage , but it can also be considered because, well, no one knows what maneuvers he is capable of, that is, or there is some uh, well, today we saw how phosphorus bombs were used so on azov, that is, no one understands that he will use it in this way. thank you, mr. kostyantyn. i will remind you that we had the commander of the kharkiv special unit azov kraken on the air. i wish you, mr. kostyantyn, to liberate the entire kharkiv region from the enemy as soon as possible. well, of course, this will be a significant stage in the liberation of the entire ukrainian land from of the russian occupiers we perfectly understand with you that kharkiv had a symbolic meaning for vladimir putin and his entire company, or because in the 20s of the 20th

century it was from kharkiv that the offensive on the independent ukrainian state of the bolshevik forces, because this is absolutely not accidental. what exactly was kharkiv made the first capital of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic because kyiv, when kharkiv was declared the capital, was not under bolshevik control, there was a real, not fake, government of the ukrainian people's republic, and the bolsheviks decided to create the russians of the government of the donetsk luhansk people's republics are so given in order to start this march into ukraine from kharkov, then in the 20s they did not have the opportunity to attack kyiv from the north from the belarusian territories as they were able to do it now, and it is absolutely obvious to me that they really wanted kharkiv to be in the zone as well of the russian occupation, so that in the event that kyiv fails to

be captured, the capital can be re-created there, by the way, this is not the first such idea; these kremlin leaders had it in 2004, during the first maidan, and in 2014, do you remember that the first ukrainian city where did president viktor yanukovych go after he left the ukrainian capital in 2014. it was kharkiv itself. gennadiy kernes seemed to have convened a congress of deputies of all levels, and it is obvious that such a russian idea was already being prepared to transfer the capital's functions to kharkiv so that yanukovych led this march of russians and collaborators against the maidan and did it as if from almost the same capital city as kyiv, but when yanukovych was already in kharkiv, the russians changed their plans and decided that it would be better now to conquer crimea and to announce it to begin the conquest of the ukrainian east and to join this ukrainian east to the russian east to the russian federation. why is it all leaving a puppet to that yanukovych, who did

not even cope with the presidency in the ukrainian capital, and we see that all this is happening according to the same scenarios for almost a century now 100 years have passed and the situation with those political approaches has not changed, but now we see that we have armed forces capable of pushing the descendants of the bolsheviks away from kharkiv, as it would have been since the 20s years, there was simply no soviet ukraine, but your battle continues, we are now in touch because there are old defenders of lysychansk serhiy or shakun, we congratulate mr. serhiy good day and we will now talk about the fighting in luhansk oblast , in particular, in the area of ​​seversky donets, because we know that the russian troops almost took control of rubizhne near white horivka , the russians say that a battalion of russians has already refused to go on the offensive, this is the head of the luhansk administration serhii gaidai.

what is happening now, mr. serhiy, eh, in luhansk region , what about lysichansk, eh, look, what is happening in luhansk region , one of the most important points for today, eh, throughout ukraine, no, what was planned today, eh, an offensive was planned, eh on the foreign side to severodonetsk, and the attack was also planned from the shepherd from the shepherd to the slaughterhouse, but we can't say a little yet, and i'm sure that we changed the russians' plans a little in the morning. well, i think it will be known more later if everything will be normal so that a is so from the very beginning ending in the evening, the shelling continued, uh, there was no light, there was no communication, there was no knocking out, so

our equipment is suitable to god, we thank our european and american friends, the equipment is very good, so you yourself said that they did it so well on belogorivka that the statistical data or what are there what we have is that they refuse refuse there and intercept we have uh where they complain to their parents to their wives where is left if we take 100%. well, 10-15% of their personnel, so our guys can to work thank you for those weapons or equipment that are now giving way to our mood, in principle, i understand that they wanted to occupy the entire luhansk region and donetsk region by may 9, but now they are falling behind this schedule and maybe this is how things are going desperately luhansk oblast they want to form these rings yes

what to occupy and to call the boilers that way and it all depends on how they are from the donetsk region and will move further and what, well, do you see ours freed a little or did they leave rubizhne so that there would be less of it? the people who died were left behind, and now to this day, new units are entering, new units are entering , so the war is a war, the ninth year of the war in the luhansk region, so what about the civilian population of the frontier region, we are actually not only in the frontier region , this population remains everywhere and there are people who, in general, the clarity of their home will not go anywhere, there are people who are just waiting for russia, you will not do anything about it, you will not do anything, because for eight years,

russian television as it was and is now russian television, russian radio remained. so all that remained was 10-15% of the civilian population, as it was and will remain so. how do you think it turned out that we, in fact, gave russian propaganda the opportunity to exist even next to the occupied territories, which we did not finish this is an important question, because the war is ending, russian propaganda will remain, so that there is no more, you will have to clean it now. i am sure that there are more of us such boys and girls who are now defending ukraine, and it is not necessary to give various regional communists, komsomol members , they should be cleaned of shit, taken by the ears and thrown away, so that this does not happen again, as in the 14th year, you know,

they told me that we must tolerate this is a political agreement, there should be no political agreements, take kopniakov by the ears, throw them away everything no, let them get lost and or let them flee from ukraine themselves and it will be like this thank you, it is impossible in another way, it is impossible to do it in another way, you know, i am saying that in the 14th in the 15th year, a political agreement sang a political order serhii analom tsifremovy what she sat on the ground and blinked her eyes when i was a witness and said that first, second, third, all of you, mr. yefremov, you came, they said that our troops or russian tanks will stand along the dnieper, why was he not arrested, a political agreement? well, it is very important that people still you didn't vote for such forces, then you understand because there may no longer be a political agreement on the topic, we will hope for that, but the voters will not go anywhere, the voters will not

go anywhere, and voters will be bought again, voters will be bought again, and here we will have to to work as boys and girls who are now on the frontline. thank you for this very important moment. thank you, mr. serhii . let me remind you that serhiy shakun was our interlocutor in this part of the broadcast, because there is a territorial defense officer in lysychansk, who tells us about the battle for donbas, and this is really a very important moment. about which we always try not to talk very much or not always so much during the war, it is about how uh next to the war that is unfolding now on the territory of ukraine, which has been going on for 8 years. if we talk about donbas, it has always been there a propaganda war that used soviet stereotypes and the trust of a large part of the

ukrainian population in information from moscow as well as the real capital and not understanding why it is necessary. there were no marginal forces, which in many other countries there are, they are oriented towards the kremlin, but they do not claim power or cannot have this power we have always had situations where these pro-russian forces with russian money, taking into account the contracts we had with russian corporations, starting with gazprom, created a majority in the ukrainian parliament or won the presidential elections or formed governments or controlled local councils practically in the entire east of southern ukraine even in 2014 a year which well,

at least it seemed to me, well, it should have been a moment of sober analysis of this situation for the state when it turned out that a neighboring state was ready to send saboteurs to ukrainian territory even to use regular troops and kill ukrainian servicemen when it turned out that the black sea fleet, which is supposedly temporarily located there on ukrainian territory so that the russians could eventually find another place outside crimea, this was the essence of the temporary basing of the black sea fleet in sevastopol, no one said that the constitution of ukraine did not provide for this on a permanent basis. and by the way, it does not currently provide for the existence of foreign military bases on the territory of ukraine sevastopol was the base of the black sea fleet on the basis of the transitional provisions to the constitution, if someone suddenly found out that this temporary military

contingent is an occupation contingent that is used for the annexation of the city and the wider autonomous republic of crimea, and still. as you can see , nothing has gone anywhere. there are different television channels, new pro-russian forces that multiplied after 2014. like mushrooms, our sharovashis and once again we live with you in a democratic country in this there is a weakness in this there is a strength in this democratic country, unlike in russia, you cannot manipulate the results of local parliamentary and presidential elections, if you can please me , it is a matter of compliance with a few percent and this often becomes a reason for serious protests by citizens, as you all understand in russia the results of the parliamentary elections are written on a piece of paper and only then is it decided

which party gets how many seats in the state duma or in local authorities. so this means that it was the people themselves who gave the opportunity to these political forces to exist in our space, essentially making our state ineffective, because what was their activity aimed at? if we talk about all these years of all these political forces that people voted for or there were even situations in the majority of them when pro-russian forces the pro-russian candidate received 90% of the vote in some localities and some places, and these political forces have always worked for the disarmament of ukraine, and it is good that at least it is not an ideological disarmament. it's good that at least with these eternal slogans why should this ukrainian language be a bilingual country, i have heard it even now, many people who are impatient to return to this situation when bortsionism after the war now continues to defend these theses that

have already led to a bloody tragedy in our land, but they armed and actually disarmed the ukrainian army, reduced defense spending, sold military facilities, convinced ukrainians that we don't need an army, convinced them that after 2014, everything should have become clear that with can the russians come to an agreement or do they seek peace that crimea is from the donbass? this was the case and in general it is possible to come to an agreement and there will be peace, and i believe that people have said similar things since the beginning of this war, even after the ukrainian territories were occupied. i mean political activists of

pro-russian forces, populist forces, anti-ukrainian forces, there has always been a mass of such parties in the ukrainian parliament, but you know this very well outside the parliament, and journalists who worked on propagandistic pro-russian channels wrote texts and bloggers on social networks but these people are directly responsible for what happened to their compatriots, they lied to them, they misdirected them, people who say earlier come to me, they thank me that i spoke about the possibility of war and that they were able to make a decision which allowed them to prepare for this disaster, but imagine how many people believed those who said that there is no need to pay attention at all, that the war, if you will, is localized, that there cannot be a great russian attack

to ukraine if you have a huge conversation with these people, if pro-russian politicians did not tell fables about putin and this whole country, how many people could better prepare themselves, no matter how many opportunities there were, for ukrainians to stay in their native homes, if they remained alive, and can we really allow this to lie to people in the future, to be elected in the future, to beat every fool on the air in the future, if it will be so, of course, everything that we are going through, now it will be repeated many times, we will return to the express tv channel in a minute, evil is unpunished always returns on may 15, the day of remembrance of the victims of

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