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espresso with you vitaliy portnikov, we will not start this hour with a conversation with a people's deputy of ukraine, a colonel of the security service of ukraine, participants of the ato and the defense of donetsk airport, the romans wish roman with a bone, welcome to us, now we will talk about the south of ukraine, because it is absolutely obvious that the south, together with the east, remains such a strategic goal is russia, and i don’t know if you will agree with me that it seems to me that now russia, i would say, is rapidly preparing for the annexation of the south, precisely for the annexation, that is, if mariupol deputy head of the administration of the president of russia serhiy kiriyenko, curator of russia's internal policy and one of vladimir putin's closest associates, visited kherson. the deputy speaker of the russian state duma, na kuznetsova, also visited kherson to promise help to

the occupation administration in kherson . on the accession of kherson oblast to russia, how to stop this process , first of all, we must understand that we will never admit it, and here the question is, first of all, that the russian federation is well, we must understand that it specifically pursues such a policy, and we need to ignore it. we must first of all focus our attention on freeing these lines by military means, it is already a completely different russian federation, well, sit down with them at the negotiating table in any way e- we will only lose our territories, so if the question is what to do here and we need to do our thing, that is to free our territories and not pay attention to that, we will say what they are doing, there are international organizations in our ministry to work on this, we understand

what about the elections in the russian federation, as they are always held in the same way, they will be held in the same way none of the people here will vote and they will simply admit that this referendum has passed, well, that is absolutely understandable. yes, can we do it because we are aware that the attack on the zaporozhye direction is part of this idea of ​​creating a corridor from the occupied donbas to the occupied crimea and at the same time, of course, you have to persuade it to be an influence uh, influence on the south of uh, the state, so where the russians also want to gain a foothold, well, again, uh, only military actions, and now we are holding back with what we now have, now, uh, at this time, the main task of our armed forces and of the whole of ukraine is to hold at least those positions and, if possible, advance, well, with the

forces and means that we now have, we can hold a real and some kind of tactical offensive and make a tactical level. this is what those troops should do. what at the front are the reserves that are now created and they are and they are, they should be in to learn we must wait for the equipment that comes to us from our partners in the first place, there should be more of it, and when we already reach the level of parity there in terms of equipment, then we can talk about knocking the enemy out of our territories tomorrow, now the task is to prevent him from being allowed further into the middle ukraine and i agree with you that any failure , for example, in the direction of zaporizhzhia or in the east immediately opens the door for the enemy and his intentions. the republic and, well, let's say encroach on

other uh territories like that. i understand correctly that uh, if russia tries to declare kherson oblast or donetsk region a part of the russian federation, we should not pay attention to it from the point of view of international law, because it is ours land, but then the question arises, what are the differences between such decisions and the decision on crimea? russia can generally attach anything to it, it turns out that it attaches something to itself, declares russia, we can no longer repel our territories because, as if as if we are stepping on the territory of the russian federation, this is such a trap to a certain extent, even mentally, but only legally. well, of course, we are here, the question is different, that if the russian federation recognizes its territory, we should not recognize it, nor should we, you know, react there on the other hand, i believe that we have forgotten a little about our foundations, we have not taken any actions except diplomatic ones, and

now we are already waging a war of liberation against the russian federation here. the question is that we must stop and we must continue, that's all the policy should be built in particular on combat actions, unfortunately for the forces and means that are now available , russia is superior to its own resources, and it is precisely in technology that we need to increase this. so when we increase and we have it, we will be able to arm the equipment of those soldiers whom we have already called up a we already have, i would say, more than half a million army, then we will be able to knock out the russian federation, including from kherson and from crimea, from donbas . troops, when you imagine the possibilities for such a counteroffensive well, first of all, this technique is already in the troops, i have personally seen it myself, but here the question is not about when it will come, but when it will come directly well, not recently, the head

of intelligence kyrylo budanov said that the turning point will be in august, well, it all depends on how systematically weapons will reach us. i would like to believe it, we met with him, he explained, argued his point of view, and i would like to believe that after all august we will have a turning point, and by the end of the year we will be able to oust the russian federation from our territories, thank you, thank you, mr. roman, let me remind you that we had a contact with the people's deputy of ukraine, roman kostenko, who is currently in the south of our country, you know what the south is like it is very difficult, and now, from the point of view of ambition, the region is the russian federation, because the russians are constantly trying to gain a foothold in the east and half of the tactical ambitions to occupy the entire russian territory of ukraine

the russians have no territory, they were forced to withdraw from the north of our country, they are now withdrawing from kharkov, then the south and the east , such strategic goals are obvious from a modern point of view, and we now perfectly understand why . would allow crimea to exist economically and resourcefully, because crimea has never existed without ties to the mainland, because of strong ties to the mainland, we are not a city, but the mainland, because crimea is not an island of a peninsula well, this is how it turned out geographically, and i have spoken about it repeatedly since 2014, and now there is such a moment of truth for crimea, which is connected with what mr. roman was talking about . part of the russian federation took ukrainian citizens

living in crimea hostage and did not give them russian citizenship. it must be clearly said that all these are worthless decisions and crimea is not the russian federation of ukraine and the russian passports issued by the occupiers can be safely burned as non-existent documents and mercenaries in the russians must be expelled from crimea, as well as mercenaries from donbas. and those of you who remain will of course be taken to court and tried for conoborationism and other crimes. occupying forces who killed people who worked in courts and handed down wrong sentences, these people should already know that justice will not be prevented from them only if they flee to russia, but even there when there is a change of power, the russians will extradite them so that you can practically say that the resource of meanness has already run out, they all have it. remember all the axionovs of constantine, all those who served all these myrozotniks should know that retribution will be inevitable even if they flee

russia, the russian regime will fall, the new russian leadership, their species with international justice so let them think now, they can change their appearance there, they change into a woman's dress, who are men, men's suits, who are women, and let them leave except from donbas if they want somewhere at all there will still be some time, and this is also a very important moment that you and i need to always be reminded of because the world is changing and international law is returning to its essence and this is a matter of the near future. i am not saying that there will be a month or two , of course we are the beginning of a complex multi-year process of struggle and experienced and even if the active phase of hostilities ends this process will continue and continue this is already the fate of the generation to live in this world of the beginning of the xxi century it will not be a cozy world

the cozy world disappeared on february 24, 2022 and can return only after the collapse of the russian political regime. if this collapse does not occur in a year 2-5-10 years 15 and now we will have to live in an uncomfortable world and adapt to such an uncomfortable and not very comfortable education in the past none of those living now will ever return. and many draw conclusions from this today, the historical event continues, which we have been talking about all these days on our air, and finland has already officially announced that it should join nato. this was reported by the leaders in finland, today it is already official that such a statement was made by the president and prime minister of finland, at the same time we will talk about this

shortly, and now we will look with you at the statement of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro, a colleague who will participate in meetings of the council of the european union, let's see, look , two months ago, germany said that an oil embargo against russia was impossible. and now, it should also be noted that germany is one of the leading countries that really push through the oil embargo . talked a lot about the gas embargo, and my impression is that the principled political decision is that germany's dependence on russian gas is a huge problem and this dependence must be broken, such a decision has been made. therefore, they need a little more time to resolve their gas issues, but it is very important

to understand that germany has finally realized that russian gas is a weapon, a weapon that strikes, that always holds, that must always scatter near the temple of ukraine and germany and any other european countries well, now let's continue the topic that, of course , brought dmytro, my colleague, to berlin because he is actually there because he was there because the minister of foreign affairs of the nato countries met there they met precisely because he invited the minister to his meeting of foreign affairs of finland , sweden, which are already ready to submit an application to nato

. the minister of foreign affairs noted that there is no doubt that in finland sweden the case of submitting applications to nato will be accepted into the alliance . as the concentration has actually already been reached. and why then did the president in principle make this er statement because er, he simply er for the start told the journalists in this er almost does not include such a random interview then this topic developed, but there was never a single word from the turkish side, and nevertheless , fears immediately appeared that turkey will block finland and sweden. it seems to me that the president never said in principle that he was ready to block someone that's really true , because uh, from the country

, the president's game is his desire to show that he's going to win, we responded to the headquarters. when the berry goes uh, no. it seems to me that nothing will happen there because it is not in the interests of uh, not turkey, uh, they are from the alliance itself so that these sub -countries do not join. tell me, in principle, uh, that sweden is joining finland in nato, this is a formal solution, or it really changes the balance of forces, because, by and large, alisa was definitely a partner. how without a technical side, they really did, we cooperated with

the arians, and joint exercises were held, and so on . well, that's one thing, i'm the ego as if there's a type friends, and secondly, how would it be, when you enter the arians itself, and then, that’s right, my level is naturally more profound, and the second thing is that this is certainly already from such a symbolic point of view, because it is very important what, of course, is finland, which had an absolutely special status during the cold war? but in general, in the 19th century, sweden, which guaranteed the general with its own priority, and then all of a sudden they decide that it's not all uh already uh everything has gone

too far and we really need to step in but i will ask you, then, the first thing to think about is, oh, no, so that the ego is flying strangely with such traditions and spend it, and so on, and so on, and suddenly, it spins, what if there is no, everything, the game is over, the line transfer is over. we had to buy nato, and in general, you understand why helsinki and stockholm were so scared because, by and large, we see that now the main foreign policy ambitions of russia are the restoration of the soviet union. it is clear that i , of course, scared myself on the spot. whose soviet the union has never been, quite obviously, it would be possible to assume that they would have in the coming years. until russia ends the occupation of the former soviet republics, it will definitely not threaten anyone else. and it has this, and ukraine, you have special forces for the occupation, there is no where, where is finland, sweden, well it seems that first of all vladimir putin is not restoring the soviet union, in my opinion he is aiming a little

or sincerely, he would rather direct his mountains to the russian empire somehow. and then , in principle, it is possible to go to the finals, and then you it is possible to begin to pretend that because you were the influence of this empire after the second world war , then everything is possible to start worrying. it seems that the russian army is controlled step by step and so on, yes, but , how would there be a network now, for example, everything is not laid out, so it seems to me that he will join the army, which is definitely stronger than russia, ah no matter how they put it, but it is possible to think that putin is simple awakened the old fear of efins yes, because after

all there were two wars and there were terrible losses on the finnish side, which may not be very clear to people who follow finnish history, but what happened in india and finland before the second world war is certain the tragedy is real. it is quite obvious that the finns, er, suffered, yes. and now, or this is all they are looking at. maybe you think that suddenly it will happen again, and no one will protect us again, by the way. no one protected the finns in the 1930s. he defended it, too, a fact, without a doubt, er, there, these are all memories, er, winter time, they are in er, in human society, which you in ukraine are very deep, er , you lie down somehow there, i don’t know how once i was there on north in the villages and there they also told. well , there are direct participants, yes. well, you will tell him. yes, my dad was there, and so on. that is,

it was all very deeply ukrainian, and uh, actually, and below, this is a pontic post in relation to the soviet union and-and then uh-uh, they just asked to give birth one at a time repeated yes to yes, let's be friends with him and they wo n't attack us. and now it's clear that this music doesn't really work anymore and that they can attack . i wonder if there are not many countries in europe that think they can come to an agreement with er russia and your region, by the way, this is a very good example. yes, this is an example. katerynovak of hungary, who spoke at the inauguration of the president of hungary

такой э-э должность let 's say it's representative, but nevertheless, during this inauguration, there was not much that was said, well, it's possible to say that it's indicative, er, it was declared, and there were even 10 points that er observers are now talking about when mmm discusses this the press conference of this statement is true of the hungarian president well, in particular, it can be said that these are already such signals that hungary is trying to somehow reduce the negative effect that viktor orban's statements have recently produced take me away because the main thing is that hungary has shown treasures in absolute loneliness and so that we don't think about victor the hunchback, he is quite experienced politicians, he understands that he drinks the only one

who, as it were, goes against the thief of all the rest - and it's not too much, how would a good negotiating position be in a tempo that a-a unconditionally relations how would the gaming union for the game how would it be an order of magnitude more important than eh relations with russia, which on tuesday is not that much eh i was that won offer, let's look at these points which the president of hungary said in order to simply understand what has changed and what has not. well, the first is the condemnation of putin's aggression against ukraine. in principle, the authorities said that. yes yes in the next point we hungarians want

peace and we don't want it here in neighboring countries and not victory in the war yes well this is also how it already sounded well it's such a position you know the leopard cat how would it be let's live in harmony yes yes i'm just simple i am passing that we understand what has changed, what is wrong with us, we explained to the audience the fourth point - this is not our war, but it is also being waged against us hungarians because we want peace, security and mutual respect, we demand that war crimes be investigated, the guilty be punished , that's exactly what was done er, a new look yes, because er, they used to say how to return from this is not our war, it does not concern us, we have only suffered because we have how is it a refugee, er, he chose that there is so much for me, and so what, what

ah, this is a war against hungary, too, eh, this is already something new. well, let's say that we are not neutral on the side of the innocent victims, on the side of the truth, but we fulfill our obligations within the framework of the european union. alisa nata, when we have the right to refuse this decision corresponds to the hungarian texts, we can say no, yes, yes, that’s what it is . such stuff on the side of truth yes, that is, the direction is governed by someone. and yes, of course, then they interpret it exactly. well, if you ask, i won’t even ask. we know that orban and his wife dream that they are struggling with ties. we support ukraine’s entry into the european union. this is new. and not that

there was absolutely no win against, for example , the association agreement, it did not appear. and when ukrainian production, that's why eh, hungary is never like that i didn't oppose it, but uh, well, to say that they were there , you talked about the desire, uh, to accept ukraine quickly , then no. so, in principle, this is an interesting signal. on the part of our allies, however, we do not agree with the decisions that require the hungarian people to make great sacrifices than the results that are indicative of the

interests of the russian aggressor. no yes because otherwise we will have to rebuild our mtz, and it will be expensive, it will be long, and so on, yes, yes, how would people get this money quickly, or how about leaving it alone? someone wants a permanent role for hungary in moscow, so let's just leave it to the side without comment. well, the last one is also punctuated. putin's war much more than many than all of orban's unrest regarding hungarian education in ukraine, because it's one thing to discuss education and another

when the people who live in berehovo are now forced to live in the same war zone as the entire state of ukrainians, and this is definitely not the fault of president zelensky or of the ukrainian parliament, but it seems to me that way without a doubt there, of course, the whole story is about the hungarian minority . privatbank said that about ukraine, and it would not have passed , and at the same time, the hungarian menzhestsk seems to me to be weak, yes, that is, it is always yes. i know that there, they tried a little bit, there was some cultural center in hungarian, then he showed me that this is german nazism, you are right. so, of course, hungarian, it will be

a lot for viktor gorbanovych exactly always and tell me what i would like to understand, that's what she is the president of hungary is also going to poland. what do you think, this is also such an important signal of traditions, relations were always the first between eh bolshej and eh hungary. even there is a holiday of polish and hungarian friendship, and now, of course, both countries are already there. more precisely, the government is speaking and is in such a kind of opposition, let’s say, in the european mainstream , or do they have problems with uh, the european

commission there geographically insults such fines and so on, accordingly, they naturally ask themselves how they stand together, yes, and actually, the question of ukraine, the question of russia, this is the same thing. how would i be divided by countries, otherwise they would like to point to common harmony, because on the contrary , it would be common? - let's say that there is such a hawk in the world of the european countries and now they have to ask how it is said and as far as i know, the order is asked how and here they are influencing viktor gorbanov all their own, as if they were reviving sanctions when, but he reduced it thank you, we talked with the columnist newspapers, business news, they

talked to him about what is happening around the expansion of the north atlantic treaty organization and about changes in hungarian politics, what can we talk about changes, of course, but nevertheless, we understand that when the new president of the country takes office and speaks with a whole political program, it is not only her political program, it is primarily the political program of this party, which has a majority in the parliament, which in the parliament elected her to the high position of head of state, and of course here there may be such a division of duties in order to somehow ease the situation in relations with the european union, but it must be said that we see now not only the situation is also connected with