we continue to talk with him about what is happening around the expansion of the north atlantic treaty organization and about the changes in hungarian politics, what can we talk about in general about changes, of course, but, nevertheless, we understand that when the new president of the country takes office and comes up with a whole political program, then it is not only her political program, it is primarily the political program of this party, which has a majority in the parliament, which in the parliament elected her to the high position of head of state, and of course she can be here such a distribution of responsibilities in order to somehow soften the situation in relations with the european union, however, it must be said that we see now not only a situation related to it's midnight, but also with the caucasus, because now we will

talk with volodymyr kovchak, the head of the south caucasian branch of the army research center of disarmament conversion. greetings, volodymyr, and i can hear you, i can even see the georgian flag behind you, let's move on to what the russians are trying to do in the caucasus i was in armenia already which week there is a wave of protests in the opposition, and this position is pro-russian, it is guided by the former presidents of the country, robert kachelyan and serzh strakhyan, people who built the same corrupt state and the same inefficient soviet army that

caused the defeat of armenia in the second arabat war, now these people blame these defeats the new leadership of the country, led by prime minister nipa and pashan, and the impression is that the russians themselves are quite sympathetic to this attempt to topple the armenian leadership, why are they the last ones? well, the point is that there are several comments. because, despite the fact that this is armenia, which is, as it were, in the captivity of the russian federation, that is, there in vassal dependence, etc., we now have an example of the fact that in armenia there are different wings of the kremlin. collective kremlin let's say the internal political confrontation in armenia is in laboratory conditions for russia, why am i making such a remark because there is no categorical water distribution that the kremlin

is categorically opposed to nikol koshenian through the well-known kryvanshists or people from the past of serzh sargsyan, robert, such a dirty, such a different situation looks like the kremlin gives a collective putin, what the kremlin gives its various power wings to play with one of them, the so-called bar warehouse is definitely locked in, what is its main the problem and the main problem of the kremlin, they are dychotomies. let's put it this way, internal political silences between the karabakhs , conditionally speaking, a sarsan swing and never a kitten, they cannot expose a third figure who was not toxic for the armenian society, i will give an example, for example, regarding the current leadership of these so-called rebels, but the cream highlights such a politician who is driven by a pro-russian stance, even on the armenian

political market, he is critical and toxic, they do not call him anything else as a hereditary chekist and he does not object to this he was a vagrant, or after all, they are no longer drawn there because of age, and the main problem of one of the wings of the kremlin, because of all the protests, is that if they now venezian made another early election, be for this form, for this wording, no one's election, pesinian would win again, if they had a constitutional majority, he would definitely get more than 50%. there is such a paradox in this danger for armenia now because there are symptoms that they are dispersing the topic that first we drop the

force method, never later. authorities from of the old karabakhs, but i want to emphasize, er, i want to emphasize the fact that my colleague koshenian experienced such cataclysms after the evolution of oximeters in 2018 there. actually, the second phase of the karabakh war, which ended in a national disaster and there was a mutiny even by the general staff, but he always went out, let's say, in a purely internal the armenian political paradigm emerged victorious, but the threat lies precisely in the fact that there are signs that a wing that will put on a forcible removal of power in the kremlin may win; no one in the region is interested in this. neither azerbaijan nor georgia, which is also in a very, very interesting paradigm regarding the official attitude towards the war in ukraine. well, it is just and logical if the azerbaijanis of georgia are not interested in that, russia needs to do everything to destabilize

the general situation. if the russians say, what if you organize it ? coups in armenia, you destabilize the interests of azerbaijan and georgia, they will do everything at once. they think so, they are supporters of chaos, they imagine making a decision"

politically, this court is toxic, he was the head of state security and onlookers put over time they the second day after his victory immediately the assistant immediately went records such that is classic such a way of actions uh, besides why never send me such a construction uh let's say that he was suffocated by the theory that he is friends with historically this is different, i.e. he pulled out the excursions from 2018. therefore, this is another conspiracy theory that can play in favor of those who want to set fire to armenia from the inside. it is interesting to be interested in something to help this french armenian diaspora . influential yes pasharyan in my opinion they are then in the

city a group of stillborns minsk groups of the osce in relation to karabakh they essentially worked as a roof for the one- man moderation of the conflict by the kremlin. that is, well, what is macron doing now as an example in relation to ukraine, the same was the case in relation to armenia, this must be clearly understood, they understand in armenia, that is, you understand, i am in the diaspora of armenian france, this is one armenia in the united states, everything else is armenia in the russian federation. this is just the third armenia and that's all. not armenia. to be honest, when i hear that ms. simonyan or i, there is a man, pesayan, talking about armenia, it seems to me that they are simply traitors to their own homeland, ethnic empire with armenian temples, and that's right, there is no other category, but in

the context of the war in ukraine, russia's attack on us all three countries of the south caucasus are an interesting moment, being from three completely different geopolitical movements. yes, armenia is a vassal of russia, give me such a simplification. azerbaijan is not joining, trying to play who is going to nato and the officials of the three capitals are in absolutely the same advice about our war, they sit in the bushes and wait for the hero. that’s all, that’s the paradox. they even hope for our i, officially the militia, for example , it’s how to live after putin. understanding that putin is no longer lame katya, i don’t know to shoot down the airfields who and here about and here problems all three capitals were convinced that in 72 hours we will fall i think i know how to say this for sure isla ilham aliyev when he was in moscow i think

he told him something like that it was classic the kremlin, well, you know, it’s an informational and psychological operation, they will release the top of the garden, merkel, knowing the complexes. they will remind , er, this visit is to give a visit to the signing of the so-called alliance agreement on 43 points. it was known to the lady for a long time, they just even sat down at a meeting of the security council and suggested that they humiliate the leader of azerbaijan. by the way an interesting thing, i had something to follow my azerbaijani colleagues, not publicly, but they were very surprised, very nervous about this, but i even made a post that calm down, everything is clear, everyone understands everything you understand the style of the kremlin, that is, here, you know . i want to discuss something else, it’s very important, but i just looked at the georgian flag. that’s the pre-so-called self-proclaimed president of the southern session of morons, who lost the presidential election and is already leaving his post in just a few months, and together with that he called

a referendum on the accession of the southern session to russia, so we need to find out whether this is simply his own move, he is leaving office and leaving such a legacy to his heir. is russia still really decided that she will annex the southern session and is even ready with the hands of the president who lost the election, you can already say that the political dead man will carry out this annexation. that is, there are some morons, eh, leaving psychonomics . in southern education and that there are now left and there are no more than 20,000, taking into account the russian military contingent that takes a rather active part in ukraine, they all want to be part of the annexation option, but the interesting date is july 17, that is

1 certain temporary varnish is present. that is, it is pressure on tbilisi. look, don’t think of taking any steps against us. at least tbilisi officially does not do anything like that. i am already gagging, if i am not mistaken, the legitimate in quotes is the president of the so-called southern session, be careful with pro - refuted the question given to the white man. he says that we all really want to be in russia, but so far this is a game of the kremlin. well, my view here is that they are different from one doll and another. well, there is also an interesting situation in what, even in the conditions that exist, described then southern session, it is so-called. it is already annexed de facto in a defect. yes, even against the background of abkhazia, where there are some, let’s say, stones of independence. there are abkhazians who hate georgians, but want to be

abkhazia, not russia, from the so-called southern vassals in such a state now. for georgia, unfortunately, there is no , so i think this is the pressure at the moment in tbilisi, this is a kind of game, and there is another nuance here that even in these conditions, it is a moron in a critical tactic for the ossetians of the 17th region, it is simply critical that these 20,000 homogeneous people are not perceives e-e menu pass it not gangsters don't accept him, i don't know who she is, and so on. that is, it was nonsense. the gang members always gained 25-30% by dancing there, and the former head of the so-called kdb of the southern session is now winning because there were a lot of criminal cases, well, that's why it's all a moron now it's such a strange situation that if someone wanted to discredit the idea of ​​reunification with russia , let's say, it would have to be a moron, and i attribute it to the fact

that there is no unity in the kremlin right now, not on the armenian front, not on the south-sytyna front in the south caucasus in general, there is a very interesting process in which they are now united regarding the war in ukraine, and can the russians resort to destabilizing georgia if they see it, they do it through the channels ot imagine simonyan praising the official tbilisi for the fact that he is almost the only one in the region in general in apostovka behaves normally in relation to russia's aggression against ukraine , on the one hand, it is a reverend that we will not climb on you, on the other hand, it disturbs the georgian society , which is overwhelmingly in favor of ukraine the next moment i will tell such a fable without referring to who is starving and not only political scientists, i had to hear what georgia says is lucky in that now it is more time for moscow than moldova, but it is not lucky in that moldova has the

armed forces and georgia has there is no reason, we will not tease the brain, we will not open the second front, but i am convinced that the second front in the south caucasus can be opened only by one country, and that is the russian federation and georgia. we model the situation, the kremlin will get some real victory in ukraine, it will go to georgia or be defeated in ukraine, but it will preserve the structure of the regime and for some victory it can do something more here without a doubt karabakh and tbilisi - this is just on the surface after transnistria of moldova or parallel to a what does karabakh mean on the surface, you can understand who do you think this karabakh will be used against, how many resources are there about azerbaijan or armenia or against all of them at once or god during the phase of the karabakh war this is the fall of the 20th year, i

called the obvious formula the following: crimea is strategically working through this war to defeat both countries with armenia, this is clear. everything is clear, the defeat on the battlefield in relation to azerbaijan, when i say defeat at these auctions, he will surrender until the end of karabakh because part of karabakh is now de facto occupied by the russian federation, this is not a popular thesis of azerbaijan, but it is so on earth and at these auctions. they are trying to play against azerbaijan . in what sense? 72 hours with nozov, its so-e-e absorption of ukraine would take place hmm in the plague barak of the ussr would drive azerbaijan for certain, let’s say so, friendly regarding karabakh would sign some er-e, let’s say so territorial integrity of azerbaijan . to the logic of the kremlin, uh, i'm not saying that the parties finally agreed there, turkey behind his back

, something else, but it was a different logic, except that i give to terabah, but i drive many of the ussr into depravity, everything is clear, georgia will not go anywhere uh, in the military way or some other after azerbaijan's victory over ukraine and because of the karaban, now the situation, as they say, is living in the format, it seems that something has happened . azerbaijan definitely has a certain power resource, but it will not budge in any case. they live in one signed paper on strategic cooperation there from in february of this year, but now there is a trend again, which, through the barking, launches, for example, such a thesis that the karabakh khanate was once free of taxes to azerbaijan, which was not then free of armenia, e.e., in the russian federation i asked before everyone that there are people with interesting comments. yes, this is a new twist in all this. so i show that the resource is the resource

of destabilization. it is incalculable when there is a desire of the kremlin. thank you, mr. volodymyr. thank you. we were contacted by the head of the south caucasian branch of the army research center weapons conversion volodymyr kopchak we talked with him about how russia is thinking of destabilizing the caucasus and we saw that russia has a lot of desires and opportunities everywhere in the post -soviet space, er, to light a fire and watch it burn, it's amazing in general, i would say such a desire to build something when, in fact, everything ends with a desire to set fire to something serhiy kvit , president of the national university of kyiv-mohyla academy, former minister of education and science of ukraine, we are in touch and we will talk about what will happen to higher education in general. greetings serhiy good day well agree that this will be an absolutely special admissions campaign in 2022 for me in general here i am here i imagine that i would be an applicant now i won't even tell myself i imagine i don't imagine here let 's talk what will happen to young people who

i want to get an education, congratulations, i absolutely supported what kind of counter-campaign of representatives of all universities, this is the main thesis , they say that no one can imagine what it will look like, especially what concerns master's programs, because not only academic communities are scattered all over the territory of ukraine partly even in the west, but this actually applies to applicants , their families, and so on, so this admissions campaign will be absolutely unique in its own way, not in the good sense of the word. well, that's why everyone everyone is preparing and planning how it will turn out, i think the first place will be the ability to provide a qualitative change in mixed education, because i predict that there will be problems with returning to the classroom, even if there is an opportunity to start classroom training, so there

will be a requirement for flexibility to come out on top and how, in principle, is it possible to organize such an educational process because well, we know that there was an educational process during the pandemic. so we can say that the above have already learned about this distance learning, but now i don’t know how far it is possible to talk about distance education in this situation, well, what kind of education will it be? well, the pandemic left no choice. therefore, there was simply no choice . informal mixed forms of education are mostly usually distance learning. there is nothing good here. it was apart from the fact that people en masse got used to using various gadgets and various security programs, that is, and in the technological sense, unexpectedly, very quickly, everyone became very armed , and this is, in principle, good in itself, but it is not is related to the quality of the educational process, so i would like to repeat once again that i would talk more about the

mixed form of education here due to objective circumstances to a lesser extent remotely to a lesser extent but at the same time when we conduct surveys of our students and potential applicants, we see that they all see the most value in returning to classroom learning in the classroom, therefore the ability of universities to be as flexible as possible and in any circumstances to try to deliver quality education is what will come to the fore his place and what will happen. what will happen to us? those who actually cannot work now in, let's say, in the temporarily occupied territories in the territories that are close to the war zone. i am not talking about the large number of people who left the country and there, by the way, too there are people there who are 17 years old who could now enter ukrainian higher education institutions, but it is obvious that there will be no questions whether they will be in the first year, partly

we have some experience with the evacuation of higher education institutions from the occupied territories, do you remember this in the 14-15th year, 19 institutions of higher education were evacuated, however, this does not solve all issues. so , i would like to mention here not only such institutions that ended up in the occupied territories. we will very much hope that these territories will be liberated , including that they must be occupied earlier the territory of donbass, but i would pay attention to those institutions, beautiful institutions that were completely destroyed, and their material base was a prey, in part , they are already moving to more regions of ukraine, but i know that, for example, from mariupol, there is one beautiful the institution is moving to kyiv and will work on the basis of the kyiv kyiv university of architectural construction and there are many such examples, some in zakarpattia and so on, this does not equalize the fact that there is a problem, so with all the maximum flexibility, despite the fact that our people

will go to meet always despite the fact that there is already certain experience, including technological experience. and as you said, during the pandemic, there will still be a lot of problems, and that is why i think that the most important thing for us is understanding what it will be like ukraine after the war. that is, it is not only physical reconstruction. we need to think about what higher education will be like. we need to return to the package of reforms, relatively speaking, which we had for education and for higher education, for secondary education, and we must understand what our society will be. that is, it comes down to the first place and here is the task of our universities. i see that it is very important to give answers to these questions. are there any such answers at all? what do you think, but now you can imagine it in outline, yes, you can imagine , you can imagine. i think at least this is what we should to return again to those reforms that were

completed. i would say that the decentralization reform was not the most successful. we can see how strong our communities and their leaders turned out to be even under the conditions of occupation. these are the results of the decentralization reform. we were not so successful with educational reforms . but first we need to go back and review and what would we mean by what we wanted to do and didn't do, and we have to talk about many other social changes because in this case we have a very strong civil society and not only a strong civil society, but an armed civil society , that is why social changes are what we must understand , and for example, our university, we will do this together with leading universities a-a that is, we will create maps of post-war ukraine in the sense of a um social of changes and tell mr. serhiy, this question is also after the war, in fact, i

think that more people with military experience will come to the audience, this is by the way what you and i once read in books about the second world war do you remember the front-line soldiers in the classrooms? it was a completely separate story because these people, they met for new things, got into student groups, on the other hand, they were a completely different experience, a different life experience, a completely different experience, and i don't know, i'm not sure that you know what eh- e soviet higher educational institutions, we are forced to rely on this experience, were able to solve the issue of adaptation of people severely traumatized by the war , it’s still trauma. i don’t know how it was. a professional approach is important, how does the state generally treat this kind of citizens who have such a traumatic experience, so i think that our

state is already ready to answer this question from a professional point of view, that is, we have professional people and professional institutions that deal with this, but here it is important other and in soviet times, by the way, i also encountered such people. when i started working at the institute of literature, we had such a falko, grigoryovych , who came throughout the war and after the war withdrew and graduated from the faculty of philosophy. people had their experience, but they could apply it because nothing depended on them in soviet times, here and there, these people will also have a great positive charge to change something because they invested a lot in their struggle , in this struggle, their health and they risked their lives, and that's why i also see a positive here, that is, in any case, we will have a lot of tasks and challenges ahead of us.

socially er representatives of higher education i want at the end of our conversation that we talked about the statement of the kyiv-mohyla women's team regarding the readiness of the er ukrainian military to surrender to a third party. do you hope that this statement will somehow be implemented? is it just one of searching for ways to release these people, i think that it is not only our statement that is important, although it went very well and we can see it abroad. we also made a special statement addressing the turkish academic environment. that it will also have a separate impact because there are slightly different relationships of others and traditions inside turkey in the middle of their society. there are a lot of them and that here it is important that everything sounds, that is, because all initiatives will be beneficial. so, i hope that our contribution is that we are doing it publicly to

protect and save our heroes from mariupol. i hope that in the end it will have a positive result. what does the academy look like now in this situation? well, people are hoping that in september it will start to be normal. even a conflict. in the conditions of war, what will be of such a protracted nature, but it is normal, they showed that this is exactly what is hoped for. and what will be classroom training? i am not sure that we will be able to do it, it is possible that it will be partially classroom, and partially it will be a mixed form of training , so what the academy looks like now, i can say that the educational process, when it was restored, everything went much better than we had hoped, that is, the huge activity, especially of the students of the bachelor programs, the huge inclusion, so i think that and what this enthusiasm is

and will accompany all of our ukraine, which will be restored after the war. well, of course we will win. thank you, mr. serhii. i will remind you that we spoke with serhiy kvit, the president of the national university of kyiv-mohyla academy, who only spoke to the ministers of education and science of ukraine about the future, we are simultaneously talking about the future, but it is absolutely obvious that the future of ukraine will be exactly what it is and is connected with how we organize the reconstruction of society as such, not only the reconstruction of the country, but the reconstruction of society it is very important high-quality education, the rejection of educational imitation, which determined in many aspects the educational process during these ten years of quality education reform, because we really want to join the european union before nato . so we have to look like the countries that teach not for the sake of a diploma but for the sake of the quality

of life and the development of citizens well, i will say goodbye to you now, i will pass the word to my colleague named koval, who will now present you with another news release on the espresso tv channel, and after news from the wallet you will see in front of you mykola september here in this window irina please in mariupol in the luhansk region and many more messages about different territories of ukraine and regions of the corners of our native country will be 17 in ukraine on the clocks in the studio of iryna koval and chas novin on the tv channel espresso rioters fired at the hospital in severodnotsk this was reported by the head of the luhansk regional military administration, serhii gai