our entire activity has changed very much after the 24th, we, uh, in culture and in art, in management, we begin to react as quickly as possible to what is happening, and i, the gallery has always been in two forms, the first format is within our walls, the other is outside of those walls i gallery became the initiator of many programs that were related to immigrants, that were related to the consolidation of the cultural community, a lot of things moved abroad, especially when we talk about exhibitions, some creative projects, sometimes the artists themselves do not they travel, they send works, but there is very little in ukraine, the ukrainian cultural fund, for example, does not currently finance projects by giving money to the front for the needs of the front, but later without replacing it with some loans, donations, etc. that is, there has been such a vacuum in ukraine, people of culture are sitting without money and on today's moment is

a huge problem due to the flow of personnel. and actually , we are now working to maximally launch all mechanisms of culture that would, among other things, stimulate economic processes, and it is being prepared art forum on this topic, that is, the war crisis and what to do with the creative industries, and a big project is being prepared, the muses are not silent, which will give the opportunity to launch processes, including the representation of ukrainian art and culture, we work in the same way in wartime, the responsibility for culture today is extremely high the very concept of denazification, with which our enemies came to us, suggests that they will do everything to deprive us of our cult of our living energy. and we must in return not just prevent them from we have to grow it in the east, that is, this is the concept

that existed before, after all, it existed in our society that art is outside of politics , now the answer is clear, i will tell you yes , culture is politics, and when we talk about artists who are supposedly on a huge distance and do not have a position, then this is not a relevant position at all, that is, the position of the artist. regardless of what he does, in which formats, which directions, etc., the position is very important, especially today. er, only those who are deaf, blind and dumb in some of your projects, there is one such slogan of the drivers about what is the question of what will happen next what will happen next with ukrainian art where are we moving i think that we should respect and love at all levels and

convey it to the audience, modernity, modernity of living artists, and those artists who influenced the formation of modern free art, we must very seriously talk about the fact that every creative person who has already declared himself as a fundamental influential icon should have a platform for work, it must have the support of the state, in particular, and we must take an extremely important step to recognize that modernity is phenomenal, to recognize that modernity is and the driving processes that exist in ukraine, no one will postpone them for later, they must be shown, they must be highlighted, they must be felt and experienced today from the side of the state. i understand that this process of renaissance is the strengthening of art and culture. it is still happening, but not as

quickly as it was wanted. it should include more active independent elites in order to help for the state to form a cultural policy, not to make such mistakes that are made all the time, in particular, i believe that one of the indicators of the development of the state is the reaction to aggression from the point of view of the preservation of immovable and movable heritage, not to evacuate museum funds, in particular, and valuable museum funds, i am speaking, of course, about selective evacuation er, this is a big enough problem, it is an indicator of the immaturity of the state and the immaturity of certain governing bodies that should be responsible for this. we live next to a beast , this beast is not controlled, it cannot be trusted and this beast perfectly understand what an independent and strong culture is if we don't preserve it if we don't show a very innovative er powerful approach

to preserve and support culture because during war we have to support culture why are we fighting are we fighting for the future or just to keep yourself physically fit, of course, for the sake of the future. it was a shock for everyone, how was the state supposed to act in such a case, what are your options, because it is difficult to predict exactly where the enemy can direct his weapons, ah, the melitopol museum is non-shocking mmm and when we talk about the kharkiv museum, which stood without windows and created art, this is not a shock, but the burned school libraries is a non-shocking, that is, there are a lot of such shocks, and when we talk now about the program, it should be the most effective in terms of preserving what is possible to preserve what is important i know

one thing, any building can be rebuilt, but when we talk about the fact that whole er important collections are disappearing or may burn, some things are now being exported to the territory of uncontrolled ukraine it is extremely difficult to return them, that is why all the moving important exhibits had to be taken away a long time ago, how can we even assess whether russia will ever be able to be together with ukraine on the same cultural level or it will always be different, who will be higher and who will be poorer this question is extremely multifaceted if we are talking now about what is happening in russia in recent decades, we see how politics essentially affects the principles of the degradation of the country, e-e, this degradation takes place

in particular in the cultural plane, we understand how large a number of figures of russian culture have simply moved abroad and do not take any active part in the life of russian culture in russia, but they are ambassadors of that culture in the world by the same token. even er are co-creators of the myth about russian culture that occurs in the world and the cultural wars that take place in the world hmm that is, it is the presence, in essence, the presence of a cultural product and a promotional cultural product at the level of e-e at the world level e-e russia has invested a lot in this, russia was very competently entering various countries, for example, in france, you can remember the exhibition of the russian collection in the center of pompido pompido, it became even a little bit a center for the promotion of russian culture, even the opposition one, yes, that is, it is said, er, a few years ago, the exhibition rush v

gran -palye, that is, which celebrates russian culture from the revolution to stalinism to the stalinist period and the pen is red yes, and they are made for all such very fashionable commercial e-e, let's say so in the rules when we talk about the presence of ukraine ukraine has pitiful budgets, if we talk about state policy, ukrainian institutes generally have a copy budget in order to work and work more in this mode, doing their projects and not promoting the actual ukrainian culture abroad, you understand yes, that is, they had a ukrainian institute as a body which helps to promote ukrainian culture, for example, take the edge of the best exhibition, the best performances, and so on . equals in the world, financing it all and clearly understanding

that it is necessary to invest in advertising and in the product and in the adaptation of this product for the world that is why with such and such a position we will lose the culture wars and i will say the consequences of this we still now that during the war we we feel with all those slogans putin is not putin and not pushkin and so on, how does it work, that is, everyone was taken advantage of because of russian culture, but because of gazprom, because of russian money, but i think now it will become less. i think that this state of affairs will continue and there are also adaptations and the cultural front has not gone anywhere and believe me it will be very difficult and i am very actively advocating cultural sanctions against the russian federation that it is necessary to cancel russian culture now in the world there a-a let’s put it this way, the aggressor must be ordered at all levels in the same way like during the second world war, it would be

strange if in america there were exhibitions of nazi art, for example, there would be no such thing in the third reich , or there would be no performers traveling and playing concerts. because you have to understand that this is war it's not a special operation it's not how often it's put forward yes it's not a conflict between two fraternal peoples it's a war that's been going on for a long time and now there's a huge aggravation it's just been very difficult for us to prove it uh all 30 years yes what is this what is this really a real war and not on the cultural front in general, russia very seriously attacked ukraine, always at the world level, not giving the opportunity to raise its head and represent itself as much as possible, taking all famous people under its control, and at the same time, i do not say now alive, i say more dead, that is, everyone bashkirs are you, malevich, well, we were all russians, you

understand why when we talk now about the fact that the ukrainian cultural fund, for example, is passive in times of war. it does not work. it does not work . you will be given 0% in the future. even now, there is professional anger in the cultural community and it will not be left as it is. simply, if the cultural fund is absent in the cultural field for almost three months of the war, it means that it must be reformed, it means that it is not working, no the leadership of the ministry of culture must analyze the mistakes and quickly correct them, so don't wait for the end of the hybrid wars . and how do the hybrid wars end? tell me about the victory parade. this war has no beginning and will have no end. we must understand that we will live forever, even if there is warming. in some

relations, the government will change, this does not mean that the next after that warm leader of the russian federation will not be aggressive towards ukraine again. i believe that we need to draw conclusions and stop to be naive romantics in relations with the russian federation, this is what we are doing on the cultural front, including this. happening, this all does not support the culture because of its mechanisms, it means a huge outflow of personnel, it is the same system when the renaissance was essentially destroyed, but now it will be after the renaissance has left

they will prepare it there normally, because you perfectly understand that the world is interested in ukrainians. you have a lot of information. now, a large number of ukrainian artists have left, but they are quite large. and what are the main reasons they say? well, it's safety - it's children, but i can tell you even more, they give you the opportunity exhibit receive a scholarship study do you understand the reason for the activity will they develop ukrainian there? what do you think about those people who will decide to stay there? this is a very good question. what mission are they there for? will remain, i think that if they are invited to work, and of course, the ukrainian e-e in the activities of those people will be one of the factors of their success and their mission, but not all of them will go to banal jobs, including in culture, people should

develop polishness, czechness a-a frenchness, germanness is simply our hands and this is normal , because every country is interested in developing, but when we talk now about the fact that from those personnel, especially from culture in ukraine, it is um, we worked all those years little by little again new ones elites if this war makes it possible to destroy them , we will not have enough time to restore those children again, the only option that would give the majority the opportunity to return is the maximum , including the state program for the support of ukrainian culture, ukrainian figures and the activities of the institution. thank you for today's conversation yes before the meeting in many countries of the world

rallies are held in support of ukraine and not only europeans and not only ukrainians come there, but even those born in russia are one of those people which in the capital of france in paris constantly almost constantly attends such actions, this is galya ackerman, she is a famous french publicist, and my colleague anna cherednychenko spoke with her the day before. provides military aid, on the other hand, french president emmanuel macron speaks of fraternal nations that do not agree, the absolute majority of ukrainians say that ukraine should have conceded part of sovereignty, according to president zelensky, there was such a phrase that all this means

in reality and what will be the further relations of ukraine and france, we will talk about this with historians and a publicist and a french political scientist at the screen gala good day to you, good night, more precisely, already here it will be night and tell me, please. so, what is this behavior of france about, whether it is the fear of losing russia as a partner and it is great, or it is simply the fear of the threats that russia poses, in your opinion, what is it? in fact, it is more closely related to macron's personal opinion, which he expressed at a recent press conference, and macron is trying to be a realist. the

most different people give him advice. from an economic point of view, it would be beneficial for europe to remove the war in ukraine and end it, so that peace would come, even if for this it is necessary to give away some part of the ukrainian territory, i think that this is his personal opinion, which is not expressed for example, at the level of midas, on the contrary, what was said by the minister of strange affairs, er, ledryan, er, it was absolutely correct to say that about the ukrainian ruzsle, er, about makon, it is told, here is his old and twisted upbringing, he has a favorite phrase, that is, we need to help ukraine and at the same time , russia will not be humiliated, that is, he absorbed some of the truths of this actually

propagandistic discourse of russia about the fact that it was humiliated in the 90s, although it was humiliated like all other colonial empires at the moment of disintegration yes, it was such an extraordinary humiliation, but uh, no, so to speak, uh, there was no humiliation for russia today, she invaded ukraine for absolutely no real reasons except for some geopolitical chimeras. and if now she will be completely humiliated on the battlefield this is like a problem of a losing country that is waging a realistic war, that is, for me personally , macron 's position is not at all. not even. not even. minister strange

things, uh, the president just thinks a little bit because what he is proposing today is actually like minsk 3, that is, ukraine, he wanted to be put in the same loop as minsk 1 and minsk 2 by the way, i remember before the presidential elections, the first second round, some experts talked about the fact that macron's pro-russian rhetoric is somewhat related to the fact that part of the voters of france support, in some sense, warmer relations with russia. i now call this in my own words and talked about the fact that after he becomes president, this rhetoric may change. but we do not see

drastic changes in fact. how many macrons? and how many words were there actually about the russian parties, and to them we have to include all the far-right and all the extreme leftists, then we will get a rather scary figure. 55% of those who voted belong to these populist extreme currents. strange he needs to form a government of the other side he needs not to lose eh parliamentary elections parliamentary elections if he loses then he will have to or eh sazhitel should say so with the prime minister who are you from the extremists or will he have less national assembly that is, his ego will simply be paralyzed, and it seems to me that he is now trying to give some signs, that is, to make some signs, that is,

what is the element of a part of those elements, so to say, the choice, the voters who voted for these populist parties, which today could, under certain conditions, give their eyes to the parliamentary elections, and the majority would say so. well, macron's party is in the union with two more parties. that's how it seems to me that his real politics will become a lamb after the parliamentary elections that will be held in june. to this day, we are still in pre-election companies, well, on the sixth, manuel macron offers everything that has already sounded from his statement, it is no longer a question of some kind of distortion or third-party interpretations of that that, for example, ukraine can enter the european union, there after a decade

he proposed to create a completely different format of the european union there, this is how he tries , well, again, in your opinion, to show that he is still a pro-ukrainian politician, or from where. well, i mean about the second is about this union, because the first is clear, there is no absolutely pro-ukrainian position here, absolutely not. of course , when he said that it was necessary to be in ukraine for decades in order to join the european union, i would say that this was not a very smart statement and, well, in general unnecessary yes, it is possible to say to russia, even if he thinks so, he should not have said it, but fortunately, france is not alone in the european union, there are still 27 countries, and france will not be the deciding vote on how soon ukraine can

join to the european union, it’s just necessary to have the following that, er, france occupies the whole, after all, rather about the ukrainian position, er . now it is not necessary to it's too serious, it's uh, i think that ukraine uh, it calls itself the right to fight in the european union, uh, together, uh, uh , with victory on the battlefield, uh, but this is a new statement about the new union right after the statement that we need decades for that to join the european union, it was an attempt to make amends for that statement, what is your opinion on this? well, it's a bit stupid, too. it's a stupid idea, because it's in ukraine, as well as in moldova, as in georgia. it's already

a european partnership, which is a european association . with the european union, which is carried out by that the very function that macron talked about. that is , if ukraine wants to join the european union, it means that it does not have enough non-association agreement, which is quite equal to that. that's why , of course, we have... problem countries, including turkey , including uh, in fact, most of the balkans, uh, and uh, these problems are probably over solved, in principle , uh, complex, so to speak, do we want the whole of europe to be a member of the european union? well, with the exception of great britain, which has already left or we want to limit yourself to those clubs that exist today, there is a union against it because it is further.

when 27 members are very difficult to work out in the general position of all cases. when you need the consent of absolutely all members, there will always be someone who stands in the way, but on the other side of the situation , it is with ukraine eh and also with georgia because georgia now also risks losing part of its territory with the idea of ​​a south ossetian referendum here eh. i think this situation is absolutely exceptional, this is a wartime situation and here and perhaps the european union would have to make some completely extraordinary decisions instead of marinating for 18 years, for example, here are some balkan countries, and this is a question that should be resolved immediately, and thank god there are countries in the european union которые это поняят и котроя будут все части

логировать име скорейшие утпление в евросуйн. i still want to return to the question of russia's war against ukraine . in your opinion, for france, what would be the most beneficial end to russia's war in ukraine? will france continue to position itself as a mediator, because we saw these attempts when at the beginning only this was full-scale, these calls are constant macrons that in ukraine, i'm sorry, have already become just a source for a bunch of jokes and already nobody, well, they just stopped taking them seriously, will there be new ones attempts, in your opinion, after that to become some kind of mediator to achieve the goal that france would like to see. well, for example, i don't know, they honestly say what france wants, i think that actually the only normal end of this war is полная победы expulsion of the

invaders from the ukrainian territory, the question is that historically, over the last years , france had a role of the minsk guarantors. and uh, macron apparently shows that it is possible to conclude, as i already said, some new type of minsk with the expression of minsk -3, even special to make the territory only you, all this is over because of course, russia is suffering economically, and uh, europe is seriously suffering , about which now and so after two years of trouble the economic situation is not brilliant, but i think that europe just needs to take an example from

great britain and the united states. as we have seen over the past 20-30 years. well, it does not end the military conflict, it is just profitable. what kind of conditional minsk was such a frozen conflict ? in reality, now there are such frozen conflicts that russia is creating everywhere because it understands that well, it also seems to me that it understands that they are close to losing and that it is probably beneficial for them to freeze again in some sense in order to regroup, i think that for once i also like the situation that in 14-15 years, because the ukrainian army has shown that it is probably the most capable and

modern army in europe, that is, from the country of ukrainians. i think that there are enough men who are ready to... oh and here nizynok is ready to fight. the only question is whether it will actually be possible to get all the weapons that ukraine has asked for. you see now, for example, it happened with aminka already with the voted signature, probably by biden's decree, providing aid in the amount of a package of 40 billion dollars. senator, one senator, who, by the way, with his similar horse, was considered to be just agents of the influence of russia, here he is under the pretext of necessity, so to say more, a little more than checks, while he postponed this vote, that is, we should hope that the question in general is that

america, in particular, will continue to present weapons if they supply weapons and the capabilities of the ukrainian army, i believe that the victory will definitely happen in the next month, and the victory is final, i don't know what about crimea, they will probably cling to crimea someone, moscow , something. well, everything else is included in the so- called narodnoy respublika. i think that, uh, they will simply be liquidated. we also hope and believe in our victory as soon as possible. thank you for this conversation we conquered cities of ukraine is cozy and comfortable