countries and days ago we still have to get all this weaponry as soon as possible and we are working on it to quickly get a-and it is obvious that it is so, look, when i asked you the first question about the weakness of russia. the fact that russia would agree to sit down at the negotiating table i forgot to ask you one more question, so let's get back to it. don't you think there was a statement by the ambassador the day before yesterday, the russian ambassador to the united states of america, mr. antonov , that the west would try to put in moscow is at the negotiating table on its own terms, but then such a statement is very monumental. but russia never capitulates before the event. such a statement from the ambassador is evidence of the fact that they have a problem. and you know if this word capitulation has already appeared in russian discourse - this is already a good sign, that is, they absolutely clearly understand

the picture of the battle, the picture of the theater of hostilities, what is happening in ukraine, that they are suffering huge losses, and they are really, well, i hope for that, they are really already assessing their strength, not so much on the 24th as when they are on the march or on the 20 well there at the beginning the war tanks marched to kyiv as if they were waiting for them here with flowers and were simply burned on this march, so i hope that there has already been a revaluation of the situation, this is on the one hand er good on the other hand - it er allows them after all, to draw conclusions to regroup and switch now more to a defensive yes to a defensive strategy and now they are doing this, in fact they are entrenched there along the front line along the cock, they are entrenched very hard so that it would be very difficult to knock them out from there but not at the same time they

they understand that they will not achieve the goals and goals that were set at the very beginning of the war and their goals are constantly changing. maybe one day their last goal will be simply to surrender in order to preserve at least something ... wants some kind of position of the russian army that it is not the second or the third, well, or maybe the second will be from the end at some point. they are looking for some way out of the situation, sir, there is a city, your words would be better, and sooner, i wish to god that this capitulation is not somewhere in some even in the short term there was, but right, right, right, right, right, one more question, an important event is happening today, it is not important for us, it is obviously important for russia. they think that it is also important for their

allies . that well, maybe we need to be wary of this, the member states of the collective security treaty organization in russia are saying that, well, it’s just, well, such a formal summit is timed to the 30th anniversary of the creation of this organization, in your opinion, and why do i say our we've got they are writing to us, they are writing that it is possible. putin may ask his er signs to join the war with ukraine, is it worth it or should we really be afraid of this summit? i think that the member countries of the dkb are not kamikaze and they see what is happening to the russian federation now, what a rogue it is becoming e- in the international geopolitical arena, moreover , their economy is suffering from sanctions, so er well, actually, kazakhstan is there from the very beginning. he did not say that he will not oppose ukraine and does not at all support er russia's war with ukraine

therefore, i am absolutely well, i cannot be absolutely sure, but for 90% that this is just a formal meeting, and he can and putin can and will try somehow to persuade somehow, it is possible to speak not unofficially, but to help with some kind of weapon. according to some data, armenia did it by overturning some planes, i don’t know yet the information is not 100% confirmed, but the information was possible in this way he will convince at least somehow to enter or take part in this war, but i very much doubt that the countries of the soviet union will react to this except maybe belarus, but there is already nothing to fight there, that is, the troops that are in belarus, they are in belarus without russian support, it is clear that they will not go to ukraine, but they are now there, they have

even extended some training until the 20th, we will be a threat from the west, from the south, we need to be on the alert. but it's good that you say that there's nothing - none of these whiskeys, these meetings, nothing will happen, well, concluding our conversation with you, mr. yegor, please tell me , sum up what's going on right now this moment on this one at a particular hour, the biggest security challenges lie before ukraine. i think that we are now entering the third phase of the war, where there will be counter- attacks . and yes, from the russian side, but to a greater extent, the russian side will now go into such a deaf defense and will try to hold the occupied territories that

it has occupied to date, and we will have to knock them out of there with battles. i mean, first of all south ah, well, of course something is going on from the north, we have almost advanced to the state border. i think there will be further progress there and we will soon reach the administrative borders of the kharkiv region, and then there will be a counteroffensive along the entire front line. thank you, mr. yehor, i will remind you what directly tells me about the connection was the people's deputy of ukraine, the head of the permanent delegation in the nato parliamentary assembly, yehor june, in june we talked about the west, but how the west reacts to the war in ukraine and how it helps us in this war with the muscovites first kill and then push them back. well, we can see this on the battlefields. at first, we pushed them back from the kiev and chernihiv and sumy regions, now we are

repelling them from the kharkiv region, and there is already information that even some units have already arrived to the ukrainian-russian border well, soon i very much hope that we will squeeze them in the same way in donetsk region and luhansk region, as well as in kherson region, mykolaiv region in zaporizhzhia well, obviously then it will be crimea, our crimea is temporarily occupied, but ukrainian, which will later return to us in ukraine we talked about this with yehor chernyavy, but our program the world during the war obviously does not end there, we have a lot of time so that i can ask a few more questions, but this time to my other guest, oleksandr khara, an expert on issues of foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies . i congratulate you, mr. oleksandr yuryu. thank you for joining and thank you for

helping us to understand those problematic issues with your professional opinions. both for me and for our viewers to figure it out in order to know because we know. this means weapons. oleksandr , coming back again, i already talked about it with mr. yehor . the formality of the celebration of the 30th anniversary of the american for the fact that the allies help each other to fight something there with some phantom threats, but i am more interested in lukashenko, who will also be present at this summit, it is obvious that lukashenko has been around for a long time february 24, despite all putin's efforts to drag him into the war, he does not join this war. what do you think ? how does this cunning fox manage to stay out of this

putin water for such a long time? i think that for the first time such a personality is unconditional, he has been in the air several times only in the last few months . but literally one word i would still like to say well, in fact, this organization is a sham, on the one hand, on the other hand, the real threats to the russian federation are in the south . to restrain the onslaught of such a violent cock , and in fact it would be good for them to actually deal with their security, real and not invented on the territory of ukraine or nato or in general in the

western direction if we are talking about lukashenka he is ideologically an absolute accomplice with mr. putin because, first of all, we know that in belarus russia is an allied state, they have joint military planning, they actually see the world in the same way, that is, too much as a threat. we remember we are trying to figure out how lukashenko evaluated the events on the maidan, how he manipulated the crimean issues to me, which he does not seem to recognize, but de facto he is russian, and i want to remind the audience that on march 27, 2014, belarus voted against the territorial integrity of ukraine under meeting time general brick of the un and i also want to remind you that despite the fact that we do not have well at least i have not seen evidence that the belarusian armed forces are participating in the war against us on our territory, but the very fact of granting the territory of the russian federation has already been

done by mr. lukashenko accomplices and criminals from the point of view of the aggression of an aggressive war, which will be the russian federation, of course, he lost a lot with this second phase of the war, because with the first phase, he gained a lot, if you remember he was the last dictator of europe, but the fact that minsk was chosen. i think it was a mistake, and from the ukrainian side, he actually came out of diplomatic isolation, and the europeans began, well, at least there, it was limited to communicate with him on february 24. everything changed radically, he actually supported this aggression not with words but with actions, but we don't know for sure after a certain time we will look at the documents and testimonies why the armed forces of belarus did not take part in this war and i think that one of the reasons is actually because we in the belarusian

military were not ready to start a murderous war here we can actually say with belarusians that we have some kind of family ties, unlike the russians . and we have a common history, language and culture. here, in fact, they are much closer than conventional russians. there may be some other reasons. but the most important thing is that he is bent in a dead end, and since he is in the west, he is not expected to have friendly relations with this regime in principle , and on the other hand, he does not want to leave his seat for a fresh 20 years and does not want to definitely lose power, so he will need to do something so as not to offend putin, who needs to freeze him in blood more than before , and on the other hand, not to freeze the organization of blood, since he, as a person, is still from the old days, he understands that this distant war did not go as planned in the kremlin and now to enter this

final, surely losing stage. well, this is madness . even such a tyrant as lukashenka is oleksandr oles. despite all that you said at the tribunal together with putin, lukashenko must be true, definitely, definitely, because he is part of the war of aggression is 33-14 resolution of the general assembly from the year 74, and by the way, this is the explanation or definition of greece's aggression, and then it moved into our law on defense, and there actually is the granting of territory to a third country for aggression, which is exactly why he participates well, you know indirectly, but let's talk about the material evidence, and what are these atrocities actually ?

russian crimes near kyiv were committed by the russian military who crossed into the territory of belarus to ukraine and then were withdrawn from the territory of ukraine through belarus. in fact, belarus is complicit in these crimes . otherwise, this is not the end. moreover, i have not heard any objections. participation or er condemnation of these beasts that were on our territory because of all these things. they are there, directly or indirectly, saying that lukashenko should bear responsibility. i am not talking about responsibility to one's own citizens, and in whose blood is he considered to be in his blood? i mean, how did they disperse the democratic demonstrations after the actual falsified elections of this person, that is, of course, what do you have? well, maybe something will be revealed, since we have so far, the war

is not over, and it definitely does not mean that the crimes have already ended. the next question i want to ask is that it has been discussed in our country for a long time and often, but i also want to hear your expert opinion, because the loss of russia in the war will be a humiliation for her, capitulation will be a humiliation and this is perhaps the last chance they can take as long as putin is alive, it is still the use of nuclear weapons and such an option. i think that the first and most important thing is that there are clear signals to moscow that the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be unacceptable .

weapons against ukraine and neither military, nor political, nor psychological, let's put it this way, i don't see any goals in this, definitely, i could be wrong, that in the bunker there are some other realities, others definitely. we cannot exclude the psychopathological factor that he is crazy, not because we call him that for a senseless war against ukraine. i am not talking about us, but from the point of view of the actual future of russia and this regime. well, we have to leave some points, but in general it will be an extremely big mistake even in this club of authoritarian leaders and tyrants as look at the russian federation, which is now trying to maintain such a balanced position, a little more pro-russian than pro-ukrainian, and how will india look at it? i am not talking about the authorities that will take measures. that is, this is the second part of rhetoric - it is possible and i would hope that such signals

would be appropriate from the united states. i base my opinion on, i mean, a note in the washington post 1 about 2 or three weeks ago that there is a group of experts at the white house of former military strategists who advise and consider various options for the development of the conflict, both with regard to ukraine and actually between the west and the russian federation, there was such an opinion that the kremlin should know that the use of tactical, more precisely, you did not say weapons of mass destruction or, of course, that there is also bacteriological and if chemical weapons are used, they will be pro in relation to ukraine, and this should cause a symmetrical strike by the united states on the territory of the russian federation, and the rationale is as follows because weapons of mass destruction know no borders for example, using it against, well, roughly speaking, kyiv or lviv, it is a foul in the eye, and that is, these eyes are radioactive, which means precipitation or, well, we are these clouds, and

they will certainly be tangible actions actually in the nato countries, and thus they will actually be acts of aggression against these states, and that is exactly why the fifth article of the washington treaty should work, and i hope that such hints and not so hints in closed communications prove to moscow that this is unacceptable, that it will not only be about sanctions, but about a symmetrical response, actually on the territory of the russian federation and what would it be better if he just didn't think about it, ah, it's true, let him just not think, shut himself up in his bunker, let him sit there and shut up. maybe someday someone will let him out of there and open up, mr. oleksandr, one more question, a lot time, lately we often talk about reparations from russia, the possibility after the capitulation of russia, will we really receive these reparations? would it still be more appropriate now to talk about some kind of marshall plan for the reconstruction of ukraine alone

first of all, it doesn’t interfere with the other. second, you know, i would emphasize something else. why are all these not trash, the riches that the russian oligarchs and the russian ruling elite have brought to the west, what kind of freezing is there? why should they go to the reconstruction of ukraine even if putin will come to power even if there is no such defeat and then the impossibility of russia to continue aggression, and this money should go to compensate all of ukraine, but not only ukraine, for the crimes that russia committed so that other global or local streams looked at it as the fact that they are not secured by nuclear weapons. and to be responsible for those crimes and for the aggressive war they are waging. i mean, first of all, china. imagine what you think of the chinese. yeah, so they froze this money, they went in the other direction. maybe it makes no sense for us to

seize taiwan by force of arms, maybe we need to add diplomatic efforts to try to find some compromisers and territory with this republic , and not to build up the missile and nuclear potential. that is, it is very important and definitely means that in the first case, if putin remains in power and if the west takes such a step as to create certain legal and uh, actually institutional foundations in order to use these stolen money, the russians have money to rebuild ukraine, that's one story, another. i wouldn't call it that marshall's plan, because the marshall's plan itself was a good idea, it was the support of the destroyed financial system, let's say, you remember that back then each country had its own currency, the exchange rates were kind of crazy, and that's why the main idea was to support

this is the restoration of the infrastructure of industries in all countries. we should definitely talk about something else. well, here it is a brand name. it went to the parliament. we should talk about something else. it also seems to me. that this idea, as it should be transferred, marshall, that this fund and this money should be spent in common with ukrainian projects, that is, if ukraine is ready to invest in something to restore the infrastructure, then accordingly our western partners should add of money there is symmetrical or several times more in order to do what is needed that is, it should not be, we should not create grounds for accusations of corruption or inefficiency in some things again and it seems to me that the factor that literally a month ago is also important to him when there was no such thing. if there is a clear feeling that we will soon

drive out er, that means the occupiers from our territories let's say a few such ideas or organizations or initiatives are purely ukrainian because this is our territory , our land, our problem, the second is what our western partners can help us with, above all the united states, and the third is the money that should be as compensation from on the part of the russian federation but the most important thing is that all this should be parallel to how we should further reform our political system in order to get rid of systemic corruption and get rid of the oligarchy, because it makes no sense to invest in the same industry where again conditional mr. akhmetov or kolomoiskyi or whoever will restore influence on ukrainian politics and the ukrainian economy, definitely we

have to talk about something new and something more, let 's say something more from the specifics, such as a competitive and competitive political system, an economic system open to the institution of e- so that not only aid but technology investments come for us and in fact, it is already time to think about it, time to create a structure who would work on such general plans for the reform of ukraine not only simply refuse to restore what the katsapas destroyed on our territory that our government will start thinking about it, mr. oleksandr look, you already talked about china, but my question is about something else in the final statement of the ministers of foreign affairs of ukraine, members of the great seven, which took place this week in berlin has such a point that they call on china to influence russia. do you think it is realistic for china? well, china can influence russia, but is china now inclined to influence russia

after seeing what is happening? well, you you know, it seems to me that the most accurate position of china was expressed by one of the journalists on the chinese state channel well, although they do not have others, and she said that you want us to help you, she means from the united states, their allies helped you to defeat russia so that you concentrated their efforts on us well, this is madness, and of course the chinese actually think so, of course the chinese do not want russia to lose this war, er, this senseless war, and in china they understand everything, because the most let's say a delicious uh market they had this european union and all these projects there belton road and others they included the european market as such an important component and russia itself with its crazy war for everyone and including ordinary russians and even for this putin regime and they definitely broke

their plans in this way, and it is not easy for china to maintain this seemingly balanced position. although it is more pro-russian than pro-chinese, you remember what they said about being accused of the fact that we are ready it is wrong to help russia and it is an economic weapon, there were no such agreements, although it is difficult to check now, there are other processes. so , when chinese business, even under the state, it collapses in the russian federation because they are afraid of secondary sanctions, and this process will definitely continue, or do you know well, this war is definitely of no use to the chinese, but i think that uh, hmm, after a certain time, such a more active role of china in this conflict is possible, and it can try to somehow find and come to a certain, well, at least from them on the part of a compromise to stop this, well, this is a possibility , because he is also suffering and they are suffering, including well, we know that now the problem with

food is global, and thanks to russian aggression, it seems that there will be 45 million more starving people in the world. and before that it seems that there were 235 or 240 million of them, actually, and this can affect the chinese, at least even work, since they also buy, and including bought food from ukraine, and it is certain that this will affect other things, such as energy carriers, i understand that russia offers with a big discount uh, that means oil and gas ah, but it doesn’t exactly compensate for other things, somewhere the chinese will uh, sell their cheap goods if uh, european markets are not affected. thank you for the answer to this question, but i am very i want to ask you one more question, very little time, literally very quickly, let's not talk about any possible palace coups, let's not speculate at coffee parties about what will happen there in russia, just look at russia after putin, can it be different, or will the situation change at all

the fragmentation of this country, which is still called the russian federation, the federation literally for a minute and a half, you know, it seems to me that right now in tallinn there is a conference going on like clay, and there is a very good ambassador... daniel fried said that this is how russia is changing or was it bad... stalin was extremely bad khrushchev became less bad, gorbachev was bad, and his good gorbachev became a little better. until she condemned communism, imperialism, and actually this ideology is a great power, and it is certain that it will reproduce the same thing, and it will definitely be behind the storm for its neighbors and for the world as a whole , that is why i do not believe in democratic russia, but i believe that it can be a little better for a certain time is more than

putin's thank you, mr. oleksandr, we have to finish thank you very much for your professional comments this was oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy issues of the center for defense strategies well , what should we finish on the air of the espresso tv channel as always, there was a sweet program during the war, they talked about security, they talked about the economy, they talked about the world, and they talked about ukraine as part of this civilized world. it is still shown and shown a lot and also on our social networks and be sure to like it because it helps promote our channel and so we are watched more well, my name is yuri fizer see you every day every moment even on there is a place for war a miracle that moves inspires and gives strength

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